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Red Hat Linux 9 Reaches End-of-Life

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the switch-to-debian dept.

Red Hat Software 470

egburr writes "Well, today is the last day for Red Hat Linux 9. The Fedora Legacy Project is supposed to start legacy support. I am still planning to stick with RHL9, for a while at least. How many others are planning to do the same? How many are switching to Fedora? How many are switching to some other distribution altogether? How many have already switched? For people still using earlier levels of Red Hat Linux (6.x,7.x,8), how well has the Fedora Legacy Project worked for you?"

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rhel (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9023128)

rhel here

RH (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9023131)

Debian

ZING! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9023135)

GNAA can Suck a Boot!

first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9023136)

probably not

no update for us (1)

grafikhugh (529618) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023137)

We use 9 as a file server and don't plan on updating. It does everything we need it to do already.

Mirror , just in case (0, Troll)

mirror_dude (775745) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023180)

Hi their, just in case things go sidewise as it were I have put up a mirror.
The mirror of http://www.redhat.com/security/ is at http://mirrorit.demonmoo.com/r_109/www.redhat.com/ security/ [demonmoo.com]
The mirror of http://www.fedoralegacy.org/ is at http://mirrorit.demonmoo.com/r_109/www.fedoralegac y.org/ [demonmoo.com]

Re:Mirror , just in case (4, Insightful)

Homology (639438) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023237)

Hi their, just in case things go sidewise as it were I have put up a mirror. The mirror of http://www.redhat.com/security/ is at http://mirrorit.demonmoo.com/r_109/www.redhat.com/ security/ The mirror of http://www.fedoralegacy.org/ is at http://mirrorit.demonmoo.com/r_109/www.fedoralegac y.org/

Not to be rude, but why should I download and install security patches from a site that is not an official mirror site?

Re:Mirror , just in case (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9023369)

Exactly.

I don't care how good they think they are. We used Red Hat because it was *RED HAT*. We were glad there was an accountable group responsible for testing updates and getting security patches into the system. Someone to do our work for us, so that we didn't have to spend all day auditing code ourselves.

Now, with fedora.us, they've tossed control back to the skript kiddiez. "Here, trojan our old RH systems, we don't care anymore".

I'm glad... (5, Funny)

ScottGant (642590) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023202)

I can't recall the taste of food, nor the sound of water, nor the touch of grass. I'm naked in the dark. There's nothing - no veil between me and the wheel of fire. I can see him with my waking eyes.

I'm glad to be with you, Redhat 9... here, at the end of all things.

You cannot always be torn in two, RH. You must be one and a whole for many years. You have so much to enjoy, and to be, and to do...

Re:I'm glad... (1)

Uber Banker (655221) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023305)

There was a time. A long time. A long time ago. The boosom of life and the blossom of existance existed. In that time. Time. And again?

That time wore a red hat.

That time was nine.

Re:I'm glad... (3, Informative)

happyfrogcow (708359) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023389)

for those who don't know, that's from Return of the King. s/(Redhat 9)|(RH)/Samwise/

wait, what am i thinking. of course you know, this is /.

Re:no update for us (4, Insightful)

danidude (672839) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023219)

> We use 9 as a file server and don't plan on updating. It does everything we need it to do already.

How about the security updates?

WSAD (4, Informative)

jobsagoodun (669748) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023140)

WSAD (WebSphere App Dev) doesn't run under Fedora, so I'm with RH9 until it does. Something to do with libc. Heigh ho.

Re:WSAD (3, Informative)

Mr. Sketch (111112) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023320)

Third party support for their applications on linux is what's keeping us on RedHat 8. It's the only version of linux that both ClearCase and Mainsoft support, so RH8 it is if we want to port our applications to linux. I actually wanted to run RH9 or FC1, but those aren't supported by Mainsoft.

Re:WSAD (3, Insightful)

Dr. Evil (3501) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023343)

Redhat's screwing themselves with this artificial version numbering and BS support tactics. They're going to lose all the developer mindshare they've fought the past 8 years for.

Redhat's going to get bought out or Novell will rise to take their place.

I'm already using fedora legacy (5, Interesting)

sw155kn1f3 (600118) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023141)

I'm already using fedora legacy to update rh8.0 and 7.2 boxes (only four fortunately).

No complains.
apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade from fedora legacy work flawlessly.

The hat (3, Funny)

RotJ (771744) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023142)

So did Marc Ewing ever get his hat back, or was the whole enterprise a failure?

changing (3, Interesting)

Soothh (473349) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023146)

moving our desktops to fedora,
but my box will always be debian :)
fedora is good for set it and forget it,
but i like debian for myself

Re:changing (4, Funny)

cscx (541332) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023376)

fedora is good for set it and forget it,

Coincidentally, so is the Ronco Shotime indoor rotisserie and BBQ.

Who's responsible? (1, Interesting)

xpl_the_myst (612106) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023147)

Technically, who's responsible for the Fedora Legacy Support? If it is just the community, it doesn't sound like much.

Re:Who's responsible? (5, Insightful)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023322)

The community wrote it.

If you don't trust them, then why the hell are you running the software they wrote?

Re:Who's responsible? (2, Insightful)

wookyhoo (700289) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023331)

Ah, the kind of comment that I can't help but respond to.

Why would you automatically think that if the project is supported by the 'community' it must lack something, or not be as good?

Does having support from someone looking to make money (for all the good they do, that is all IBM and RedHat basically are) necessarily make things better?

Personally I would put more faith and trust in the community that needs and wants the support than anything else.

SuSE (3, Interesting)

nlinecomputers (602059) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023153)

I switched the few units I had on RH to SuSE about 6 months ago. Sure you don't have ISOs to download but you can WGET the FTP site and do your own private, in house FTP install just as easily. SuSE stable and has good documentation.

Re:SuSE (3, Interesting)

hawkbug (94280) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023366)

Yeah, me too. I actually have the pro version of 9, and will purchase 9.1 when it comes out. I moved like 5 boxes to it. I'm just so disappointed by Red Hat - I know they say FC is the same thing, but with more open source support.... but I tried FC1, and the installer locked up on me 3x in the same place on a machine that has Suse 9 running on it flawlessly. I used to have Red Hat 6.2, 7.1, 7.3, and 9 all running on this machine before, so I know it's not bad hardware. When the installer crashes, they can't convince me that FC is as stable as RH releases.

the cs department... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9023156)

at my university just finished moving over to fedora, which i discovered in lab just today.. im at colorado state u. as for me personally i havent descided which distro to use on the dual boot system i have yet.

Fedora Core 2 (5, Insightful)

xconsulting (590727) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023158)

Might as well wait until Fedora Core 2 is released.

Re:Fedora Core 2 (1)

Scyber (539694) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023243)

I have found FC1 to be pretty good. I have it running at home and at work with no complaints.

I am looking forward to FC2 though. I just wonder if power management will ever work correctly with my laptop though.

Fedora Legacy != Fedora Core (3, Informative)

jbellis (142590) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023245)

the former provides updated packages for EOL'd RH versions; the latter is the basis for new RH versions.

Debian (2, Informative)

DaLiNKz (557579) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023161)

When RedHat decided to throw in the towel for any real distro (well, as real as it got), I decided it was time to find something that was a bit more.. small. I tried Gentoo but as fun as it was it didn't do what I wanted on my servers.. Debian I can do exactly what I want.

Re:Debian (5, Interesting)

justsomebody (525308) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023249)

When RedHat decided to throw in the towel for any real distro

When did this happen'?

Redhat just moved people distro where it belongs. Between people.

Redhat still supports development in Fedora, and even funds it. Funny I've been noticing only improvements (since the change) and no stepbacks. Fedora is just as supported as RH ever was, no better, no worse (except there's much more choices now, yum instead up2date, and more public repositories). You'd notice if you try to search package for RH9 and same package for Fedora.

I really don't know what is people problem with Fedora and neither does anyone that didn't jump to conclusion before even trying.

Re:Debian (1)

DaLiNKz (557579) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023338)

I just don't like the fact that either I pay them loads to run their server version on my server or run a version that I feel is more a desktop version of linux.

Already made the change... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9023163)

I started on Red Hat. I switched as soon as I heard that they were ending support--and focusing more on enterprise solutions. I ended up with Gentoo and haven't looked back since.

Moved on. (1)

RaymondR (723881) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023166)

Red Hat did a great job introducing many of us to linux, but since my last experience with it I have moved on to SuSE, Debian, and Gentoo. RIP RH.

Serious question (0)

eille-la (600064) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023167)

End-of-Life, oh my god.
Will my box still boot?

Re:Serious question (3, Funny)

nlinecomputers (602059) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023193)

Yes but only when the sun isn't up. RH9 server of the undead.

switched to Debian (2, Interesting)

gevmage (213603) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023171)

Once the announcement came out that the only free version would roll over every 6 months, I switched to Debian on all my work systems (I already run Debian exclusively at home).

just a few more days till SUSE 9.1 (0)

rokzy (687636) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023176)

oh happy day (oh happy day)
when suse was born (when suse was born) ...

Re:just a few more days till SUSE 9.1 (2, Informative)

tftp (111690) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023251)

The 9.1 is released already, see www.suse.de

Re:just a few more days till SUSE 9.1 (1)

rokzy (687636) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023373)

it was paper launched a while ago but still a few days from being able to buy (not pre-order) - May 5th for UK.

I've just been reading some detals [suse.co.uk] and found this nice jab at Intel:

"For example, a computer with an AMD Athlon 64 processor with 1.8 GHz is faster than a 32-bit computer with a Pentium(tm) 4 processor with 3.2 GHz."

Re:just a few more days till SUSE 9.1 (2, Insightful)

iggymanz (596061) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023300)

Switched from RedHat 8.0 to SuSE 9.0 for my main home server & also my laptop. Great stuff, all my devices work (DVD, burner, wireless, USB for camera & keychain disk) and it's fine for doing my Ruby, Perl & C/C++ development.

Switched to XP (0, Troll)

drgonzo59 (747139) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023187)

I was using Redhat since I have a RAID adapter (MegaRAID, now LSI Logic) and they only had drivers for Redhat and some older verions of Suse (all binary), so in order to use my RAID array I am forced to use MS Windows. But if it weren't for that I would use Gentoo probably, until they decide to do what Redhat did then I'll use FreeBSD.

Nonsensical (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9023273)

That makes no sense. If there are drivers for your RAID adapter for Redhat and SuSE, why do you have to use MS Windows??

Re:Nonsensical (1)

drgonzo59 (747139) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023310)

Sorry for confusion, they are for older much older versions. And now that Redhat is cutting support and the lsi logic won't issue fedora drivers, I am using xp.

Re:Switched to XP (1)

griffeymac (625596) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023380)

Score 1? I was expecting this post to be moderated as "5: Funny".... At least I thought it was funny. No offense. :) G.--

Re:Switched to XP (2, Informative)

amblin (1997) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023391)

Do the drivers that ship with stock 2.4/2.6 kernels not work with your MegaRAID? Seem to work OK for us on several models of the MegaRAID we run in our servers.

went with ES (1)

Vanayr (686681) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023189)

Ended up going with ES 3.0. I just can't afford to go with an unsupported product and take the chance.

Java Desktop System (3, Interesting)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023191)

I am still planning to stick with RHL9, for a while at least. How many others are planning to do the same?

Looking at JDS myself.

Stuck with what works (1)

va3atc (715659) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023194)

Frankly on my system (p2 266, 32MB TNT2 M64) I find the only distro that
seems to run GNOME with any decent speed is Red Hat 8.0. Whenever I try more recent distros like Gentoo/Knoppix the GUI is extremely slow in comparison.

Knoppix would be totally awesome if they had a lean version or an easy way
to uninstall some of the software that comes with a full system
installation.

Re:Stuck with what works (2, Informative)

SoTuA (683507) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023317)

Knoppix would be totally awesome if they had a lean version or an easy way to uninstall some of the software that comes with a full system installation.

Huh? How about dpkg -l to get the full list of installed packages and apt-get remove <unwanted packages>?

Re:Stuck with what works (1)

Homology (639438) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023351)

Frankly on my system (p2 266, 32MB TNT2 M64) I find the only distro that seems to run GNOME with any decent speed is Red Hat 8.0. Whenever I try more recent distros like Gentoo/Knoppix the GUI is extremely slow in comparison.

With 32MB RAM you might consider using something less hungry for memory than a recent GNOME. I use XFCE4 on an older P2 laptop, but fluxbox is even leaner.

Re:Stuck with what works (1)

va3atc (715659) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023398)

With 32MB RAM you might consider using something less hungry

I should have been more specific, the 32MB was the Video Memory on the graphics card.

Its 128MB RAM in here, never actually gets totally filled even when playing Descent 3, though does start to page to disk when running Unreal Tournament.

Short life span ? (3, Interesting)

billcopc (196330) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023196)

Isn't it a bit early to kill off RHL9 ? I haven't really been paying attention since I'm a Debian whore (and Debian releases are few, far-between and far-too-few-things-changed), but it seems it's a rather fresh release.

Or is this being done to give their commercial offerings a little more real estate ? Fedora may be the "new" Redhat Linux, but some of the more idiotic corporate users they won't have the synaptic ability to Google that correlation, and will be led to believe that RHL is no longer a "Free" "Hacker" "Distribution" but rather a "mature" "enterprise" "solution".

Aww heck it's a theory.

Re:Short life span ? (4, Informative)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023394)



Fedora may be the "new" Redhat Linux, but some of the more idiotic corporate users they won't have the synaptic ability to Google that correlation, and will be led to believe that RHL is no longer a "Free" "Hacker" "Distribution" but rather a "mature" "enterprise" "solution".


RedHat came out to our center last year to do a presentation. One of their claims is that Linux moves too fast for some Enterprise developer's tastes.

An enterprise application developer will get done certifying that a specific build of RedHat will work with their application to their satisfaction when they realize that the official, stable build of several libraries have already jumped a few increments. Which, of course, invalidates their entire QA process.

RedHat decided to handle this issue by developing a slower-moving "Enterprise" target. This offers a more stable and predictable platform for enterprise application developers to develop for, QA, and then provide support for their products on that certified platform.

This was before the Fedora project had been announced. However, even at that point, they were saying that the RedHat Linux we all knew would be the faster-paced, more bleeding-edge version.

Just switched... (3, Interesting)

alta (1263) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023199)

I just switched for security reasons. I pointed nessus at an install of RH 9 and it came back with 6 or so remote exploits (Apache/SSL, PHP sendmail, named, mysql and openssh)

I installed Fedora 1 with the same services and only got back the openssh bug, and that was easy to update from source. Yeah, I know I can patch 9 from source myself but it's too much of a pain in the ass to do regularly. I'd rather have something newer just because there's less to patch. It's like racing against the hackers. I'd rather start at the pole than at the back of the pack where they are.

Re:Just switched... (5, Informative)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023262)

If you'd done any research, you'd have found that those nessus hits were false positives, because Red Hat backports security fixes. The products will report a vulerable version, but they are not vulnerable because RH fixed them.

Nessus just looks at the version, because trying the actual expoit is too risky on running systems, many exploits crash the system (or at least the daemon) in the process of exploiting them.

I went to SUSE (2, Interesting)

digicide (775989) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023203)

I decided to switch to SUSE not long after I heard they were going to kill support. I like it a lot better.

Re:I went to SUSE (1)

Spellbinder (615834) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023379)

it will only take a longer time until you got to update it
but the problem stays the same at least in a few years it will take you at least a day of work to get the system running on a newer version of SUSE
i think debian or gentoo is the way to go
debian with a clear update path which will let you update from stable to stable without much hassle
gentoo with continuous updates which you have to do anyway
i don't say it has to be debian or gentoo but i think their methodology of updating is right

one thing i wonder is how well is apt-get working on redhat/fedora/SuSE/whatever if you have to upgrade from say SuSE 8.xx to 9.xx

I Already Use Fedora Because ... (1)

osewa77 (603622) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023204)

By the time I was about to choose a web host for my site, the RedHat 9 end-of-life issue was already known and they offered Fedora (not RedHat 9.0) as the main OS. I strive to configure my systems in such a way that I can freely upgrade to the latest packages without worrying that anything would break.
___________
naija geek [afriguru.com]

Yay... (1)

NeoGeo64 (672698) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023205)

Does this mean I don't have to pay my $650 fee now?

With RH 7.3... (2, Informative)

SoTuA (683507) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023206)

...it works perfect. Set them up as apt sources and works wonders. Although we are phasing out the RH7 servers, and putting our apps in a chroot environment with the precise apache/perl/mod_perl/whatever versions we need for our apps to work.

Slackware or nothin (1)

ph1nn (588305) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023208)

Nuff said... I used Redhat once... a while ago, that was an unpleasent experiance.

I have Slackware or Debian on all of my boxes, and i prefer Slack

Re:Slackware or nothin (1)

happyfrogcow (708359) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023319)

yep. over the course of 5 or 6 years, its been Slackware->Redhat->Debian->Redhat->Slackware . The redhats were version 5.1(i think) the first time, then 6.0 the second time and upgraded that installation throughout the 7.x something versions. Used that until this past winter when I decided I'd rather be slacking it. Nice full circle...

Darn, my RH9 box has reached EOL... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9023210)

I think I'll convert my system to FreeBSD. It should then have a long and healthy happy life with no end-of-life problems.

I switched to... (0, Offtopic)

Bug-Y2K (126658) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023213)

FreeBSD or OS X.

A long time ago... never looked back.

--Bug

Raw Fedora (1)

javcrapa (594448) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023214)

Fedora is still way too raw for cutting RH9, the change had to be slower, taking small steps, I believe people will stick to their RH9 for some time...

mmm, tasty (2, Informative)

Triumph The Insult C (586706) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023220)

yum [duke.edu] is a very tasty treat for keeping rh9 boxes up to-date. using it to keep some SAP workstations (for the rovers) running

white box linux (5, Informative)

ehackathorn (168173) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023222)

It didn't take long for someone to take redhat's enterprise linux source rpms and repackage them as a "free" distrubution...


Check it out at: White Box Linux [whiteboxlinux.org]

Mandrake... for now (2, Interesting)

vDiver (62458) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023223)

Having to bring along (kicking and screaming) several other folks in the office that need a bit of a crutch, I'm working the Mandrake way now.

Will it stay that way? Probably, at least until I see a reason not to.

work servers (1)

quelrods (521005) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023234)

Some systems have already been migrated to debian, some aren't publically facing and the time/money isn't there yet. Overall our plan is to migrate everything to debian. Using stable and a quick apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade makes patching quite easy.

Progeny, then SUSE (1)

bearl (589272) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023235)

We'll be using the Progeny Transition Service [progeny.com] for a while, on RH9.

But we've already started moving to SUSE Linux, and we'll accelerate that when SUSE 9.1 is released.

Fedora Legacy appears to work well (1)

vrTeach (37458) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023239)

I've only pointed my apt sources to it for a couple of months, but I'm happy that there have been some important updates. I have a couple of machines that are stuck at RH7.3 because of high-priced commercial software running on them for which there have not been updates. Likewise, I have another machine that is stuck at RH8 for some hardware support.
Where I can, I have moved to fedora, and am trying out Fedora Core 2 test3 on my everyday work machine (I break it alot).
I wonder, however, how long the legacy project can continue to cover a wide variety of RedHat releases? It seems as though it would make sense to focus on a few very good (stable) releases, such as 6.2 (maybe), 7.3, 9 (maybe).

Remote upgrade to Fedora Core 1? (2, Interesting)

OblongPlatypus (233746) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023240)

I'm managing a remotely hosted Redhat 9 server. Does anyone know how risky (or even possible) it would be for me to upgrade to Fedora Cora 1 by simply pointing my sources.list at an FC1 repository and doing an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade?

Re:Remote upgrade to Fedora Core 1? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9023316)

I upgraded two machines from RH9 to FC1 by switching the sources in yum.conf - no problem at all!

I also upgraded an RH7 machine. It was a bit more work - a few rpms had to be manually installed - but it worked in the end.

Fedora Core 1 has been very nice, very stable, and very free! Just switch the yum or apt sources to one of the mirrors, though, or you'll die while waiting for updates.

- Mike

Re:Remote upgrade to Fedora Core 1? (2, Funny)

Moth7 (699815) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023321)

Not a good idea (at least not in my experience and that was on a non-production box). I had countless conflicts, unresolved dependancies and general mess. And that was just installing the Fedora artwork :-\

Re:Remote upgrade to Fedora Core 1? (1)

Etcetera (14711) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023347)


Haven't used apt-get myself, but I did an upgrade via yum a few weeks ago and things went pretty well. Of course, I'd been installing things via RPM so I didn't have to deal with sources colliding, so YMMV.

Overall, I was worried going into it, but everything Just Worked.

More info here [columbia.edu] and here [www.wsp.ro] .

Re:Remote upgrade to Fedora Core 1? (1)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023363)

As the other poster said, it's too risky.

If you can tolerate very obselete packages, Debian is best for something you don't have physical access to, since they test their dist-upgrade path well (as opposed to Fedora, where it might work, but no one is really making it a priority).

Red Had is dead... (1)

msoftsucks (604691) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023241)

I've switched all existing RH servers and desktops to SUSE. Any new systems deployed at this point, will also have SUSE. Currently evaluating Debian to see whether or not its better than SUSE for my purposes.

Debian Rules (1)

omar_armas (633987) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023244)

Red Hat died for me since RH 7.3, when I discovered Debian. Omar

Gentoo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9023253)

I started compiling last week

Latest (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9023259)

In a long string of boring-ass stories.zzzzzzzzz.
Horatio Brunswick is my mothers' brothers' sisters' son.

Mostly ok (1)

shurdeek (571257) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023261)

Fedora legacy is only for 7.2+ (i.e. not for 6.x). It is IMHO somewhat slow with the releases, and it could use more volunteers. Other than that it's ok.

mdk and RH (1)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023265)

when mandake died i considered moving to RH then RH died so i tried gentoo and debain only to end up on OS X (though my server runs debian now)

Going slow. (1)

OgGreeb (35588) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023268)

I have a half-dozen production servers using RedHat 9, and I've been wrestling with this problem as well. The first thing we've done is make sure all the machines are up-to-date as of today (4/30). We will likely subscribe to Prodigy's support service, since replacing the OS or going without security patches will be impossible for us, and we like the convenience of the up2date mechanism. We will defintely wait to subscribe, both because there are no announced patches post-today yet, and because we want to hear of potential problems encountered by others.

It would help a lot if RedHat would provide an ability to upgrade a RH9 installation to RHEL3. I know we would subscribe immediately if that were possible. We originally chose RH9 last year for these machines, over RH Enterprise 2, because the RH9 was more up-to-date with the features we needed at that time. It wasn't a question of hobbyist vs. production then and still isn't.

Re:Going slow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9023340)

You can upgrade RHL9 boxes to RHEL3, though it's not a supported upgrade path. Run the installer using

"linux updateany"

Off RedHat (1)

Moth7 (699815) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023270)

I started on RedHat and it was a very nice distro for a beginner - I still recommend Fedora to those just setting out with GNU/Linux and have a couple of friends who recently switched. I myself however am burning a Gentoo CD as I post (still on Fedora), since usability is no longer a major issue and the customization of Gentoo just has too strong a draw. One thing that put me off staying with Fedora is the lack of upgrade compatibility between the Core releases - that and the huge CDs for install. The "upgrade" from shrike to yarrow (yah,yah, not both Cores, but still) broke my Gnome 2.6 install - I'll be sticking with portage from now on :-)

Progeny Transition Service (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9023274)

There is also the commercial progeny transition service
that also does security updates for Red Hat Linux:

transition.progeny.com [progeny.com]

Who still uses an old version of Red Hat Linux? (1)

antdude (79039) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023275)

I am still running 7.1 and 7.2 at home. I will switch to Debian, Gentoo, or something when my OS or HDD dies. :)

After all the blood and tears... switch? (1)

presarioD (771260) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023278)

I managed to install RH9 on my presario 2500 and after all this blood gushing, tear drenched experience, now that my baby is stable and I completely isolated winXP into a 3Gb corrner and am able to work fully on RH9 I HAVE TO SWITCH???? Nahhhh...

I dumped Red Hat completely. (1)

Theovon (109752) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023282)

I liked the convenience of Red Hat. But I figured if I was going to have to deal with something else, I might as well learn something. Plus, others, like SuSE, wouldn'd recognize my 3ware RAID controller.

So I switched to Gentoo. It was a pain to set up, but I'm very happy with it now.

Tried to change, but Red Hat is the only way to go (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9023287)

I'm using some old machines 1) 486dx2 66Mhz with 16 Mb RAM; 2) P200MMX, with 156 Mb RAM; 3) DEC Alphastation 233MHz with 32Mb RAM. Other distros hae been too flaky for me . SUSE's KDE environment (anything over 3) keeps crashing. Its like walking on thin ice with these machines. I really should upgrade to something faster....

Still using 7.3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9023288)

I just put fresh installs of 7.3 on two new servers. I update openssl and build a fresh kernel from source before deploying them, of course, but I build most of my key apps from source anyway, and with the most recent 2.4.x kernel, I haven't found a need yet to use 8, 9, or Whatever Comes Next.

Posting anonymously so I won't invite hackers to come test my security, but everything's been swimmingly fine with the hardening procedures that I use (OpenNA Linux [openna.com] 's books are outstanding). Fedora? What's that?

I'll probably be moving to a Linux From Scratch [linuxfromscratch.org] system for my next round of servers anyway, so I can avoid getting locked into distros.

Nope (2, Interesting)

ceswiedler (165311) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023301)

I went to Debian, and I'm happy. I figure if anyone's going to support their (free) product for a long time, it's the Debian Project.

Dealing With The End Of Life Of Red Hat Linux (5, Informative)

seifried (12921) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023315)

I've written an article on this topic covering about a dozen alternatives, it's available at:
http://www.seifried.org/security/redhat/20031230-r edhat-support.html [seifried.org] .

Your basic options are:

Continue using Red Hat Linux 7.x and 8.0
Continue using Red Hat Linux 9
Red Hat Advanced Workstation
Red Hat Advanced Server and Enterprise Server
Red Hat Fedora Linux
WhiteBox Linux
SuSE Linux
SuSE Linux Enterprise
Mandrake Linux
Mandrake Linux Enterprise
OpenBSD
FreeBSD
Solaris for Intel and Sparc
Windows 2003
Mac OS X Server

I've already moved to Gentoo (3, Interesting)

sunscream (678851) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023328)

...and I will never look back.

The Support Angle Always Mystifies Me (2, Insightful)

Trolling4Dollars (627073) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023329)

I haven't used support from any company for my own systems at home in close to ten years. Suport is pointless if I know how to fix everything myelf. Linux has made that a reality for most users. The only place I find myself having to dal with support (and piss poor support in some cases) is at work where we have Sun, HP-UX and Windows. But let's get real here. How many of us need support? I mean REALLY NEED it? Most of us keep very nicely run networks of 10-20 machines at home (thanks to the fact that we DON'T have to pay huge prices for sotware). A lot of what we learn at home translates to things we can use at work. So in many cases we are our own support at work, especially where Linux is concerned. The distro doesn't matter much if you know what you are doing, so support is largely irrelevant to a majority of us. I'm sure there are other here who will echo this sentiment.

Support == Security Patches (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9023385)

n/m

I am moving ... (1)

foobsr (693224) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023344)

... and the RH9-box here has turned its desktop background black (after restarting X ) - is it empathy?

I would like to change to gentoo, but after my experiences on an AMD64 (X blocking KDE) I switch to Suse there (9.0 works fine installed over the net) and went for Debian on another (production) machine (box).

I also might add that I do not like the policy of RH which I rate exploitation in disguise (Attention moderators: Pick this as flamebait while missing the big picture).

CC.

SuSE, a couple years ago (2, Informative)

haute_sauce (745863) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023377)

I was running RH on my servers for some time, but it was almost an act-of-god (and not covered under my insurance policies) to get the correct XF86 settings on my laptop. On a whim went out and purchased SUSE 7.x (I am now on 9.0) and not only did it detect the correct config for the graphics, I also got Yast in the deal ! I have been running SuSE on my laptop(s) and my servers, with no regrets.

I migrated a long time ago (1)

nocomment (239368) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023396)

After an ISP I worked at got bitten real hard by the remote root vuln in (i think it was ws_ftp) in 6.0 we migrated then. I have been running Mandrake since, but recently tried debian, and I'm not sure if it would be possible to migrate to anything else.

Bad strategy for Red Hat... (1)

zerofoo (262795) | more than 10 years ago | (#9023397)

I BOUGHT a copy of RH 9 so I could run my filtering proxy server on it Dan's Guardian [dansguardian.org] .

Since RH is EOLing RH9, (and their enterprise stuff is EXPENSIVE), I decided to go with Fedora Linux. Dan's Guardian installs and runs great with minimal fuss.

Good job redhat! I was a paying customer...I guess i'm not any longer. I wonder how many others they lost?

-ted
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