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Infected PCs for Rent

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the 2-bedrooms-1-bath dept.

Security 281

prostoalex writes "UK authorities are raising concerns about entire networks of infected and compromised PCs (BotNets) being available for sale or rent to the highest bidder. The Register quotes a detective from Hi-Tech Crime Unit saying 'The trade of BotNets of compromised machines is becoming an industry in itself. Organised crime is making use of this industry.'"

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GNAA DOMINATES TROLLYMPICS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024224)

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For rent (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024229)

Slashdot first poster account.
Quality first posts, very profitable.
$500/month

Re:For rent (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024351)

Quality first posts

Your ad would be a lot more believable if you had actually gotten first post.

I'm going to rent a bunch of these (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024236)

Install distcc, and install Gentoo in record time.

Re:I'm going to rent a bunch of these (4, Funny)

irokitt (663593) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024286)

On the same note, SETI@home is also interested.

Re:I'm going to rent a bunch of these (5, Funny)

Lord_Slepnir (585350) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024292)

you mean in under 8 hours???

Re:I'm going to rent a bunch of these (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024298)

Actually, that's no problem on an AMD Athlon XP 3200+ (from a stage 2 install).

Re:I'm going to rent a bunch of these (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024375)

Stage 2? That's cheating. :) Stage 1 or nothing!

Re:I'm going to rent a bunch of these (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024485)

What a coincidence. I just wrote an article about distributed compilation methods [idpz.net] on my blog.

They should install BSD! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024238)

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Re:They should install BSD! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024295)

Half of your links are broken.

Re:Broken Links (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024365)

That's the LEAST of his problems.

Gives a whole new meaning (5, Funny)

overshoot (39700) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024246)

to "on-demand computing."

Kinda sad to see IBM, HP, and others lagging so badly in commercializing this important new technology.

Gives a whole new meaning-Abusing the bottom-line. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024620)

Hey! Maybe Microsoft can open their internal network to the world? That'll add a couple billion to the bottom line.

Shouldn't the vice department handle this? (3, Insightful)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024247)

This is exactly the same sort of problem that happens in the world of prostitution: pay your "rent", get a disease.

Re:Shouldn't the vice department handle this? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024331)

Not that any of us Slashdotters would know anything about prostitutes... hahaha.... hahaa... ha.

Re:Shouldn't the vice department handle this? (1, Insightful)

Penguuu (263703) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024343)

I don't think this is same sort of problem, because with prostitute, you know (or you should know) the risks yourself, and it is your own choice. When your computer is compromised, and part of botnet which is sold to some evil people, who want to take servers down, you probably don't even know about it yourself. Of course, you should take care of security (anti-virus, firewalls etc.) but most people sadly don't know or don't care about. Biggest loser in this are those poor guys, who are going to be targetted by attacks.

Re:Shouldn't the vice department handle this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024700)

This is exactly the same sort of problem that happens in the world of prostitution: pay your "rent", get a disease.

Or, more likely, Don't pay your rent and get worse than a disease.

Can you say R.I.C.O.?

Sure, I knew you could.

Its a beautiful day in the neighborhood boys and girls.

HEY CMDRTACO! COMMENT THEFT IS RAMPANT! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024248)

Known troll rkz [slashdot.org] is committing theft by karmawhoring THIS COMMENT TODAY [slashdot.org] which was stolen from THIS COMMENT [slashdot.org] from another user back in January. Does the text "Comments are owned by the Poster" at the bottom of the page mean anything? Why aren't comment thieves dealt with?

Known troll rkz [slashdot.org] is committing theft by karmawhoring THIS COMMENT TODAY [slashdot.org] which was stolen from THIS COMMENT [slashdot.org] from another user back in January. Does the text "Comments are owned by the Poster" at the bottom of the page mean anything? Why aren't comment thieves dealt with?

That's fine if its cheap... (-1, Flamebait)

Steve Ballmer's Fat (641246) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024252)

Nothing that a strong magnet couldn't fix, right?

please infect a PMG5 and sell it to me cheap!! (1)

bennomatic (691188) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024412)

Absolutely! Boot to a CD, do a low-level format, or install a new hard drive, and that great deal you got is really truly a great deal! I wish that someone would sell me an infected dual 1.5GHz PowerMac G5 for cheap. Unfortunately, these sorts of infections--while not impossible on the Mac platform--are far less common, so I doubt that'll happen. *Sigh*.

Re:please infect a PMG5 and sell it to me cheap!! (2, Informative)

MrRuslan (767128) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024673)

RTFA!!!...virus writers are renting out control of infected machenes whos users are clueless...OMG

The real culprits... (5, Funny)

D-Cypell (446534) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024256)

Good to see big industry players using their expertise and experience to enable new market creation.

Re:The real culprits... (1)

D-Cypell (446534) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024289)

Just incase it wasnt clear...

What ever could I mean by big industry players [microsoft.com] ?

Re:The real culprits... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024475)

You blew the joke.

Network to the highest bidder ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024260)

UK authorities are raising concerns about entire networks of ... PCs ... being available for sale or rent to the highest bidder.

Didn't I just read this story [zdnet.co.uk] ?

Damn (5, Funny)

Beer_Smurf (700116) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024262)

Damn, one more thing I can't do with my mac.

Don't laugh: symptom of big problem with Mac (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024283)

There's hardly any software of any kind for the Mac. This is true in all categories, even viruses and worm programs. The Mac user who laughs because there are no worms for the Mac also cries because there are no games, sparse business applications, and a "big fat 0" throughout the different types of apps.

Re:Don't laugh: symptom of big problem with Mac (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024370)

It is an issue, but fortunately the tide is changing. OS X has made Macs much more mainstream, powerful, and thanks to some hip marketing and stylish designs, today's students who grow up with Mac will be tomorrow's developers who will give the Mac much more priority than today's developers. Of course, having a bigger marketshare wouldn't hurt either. :)

Hate to break it to you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024411)

"and thanks to some hip marketing and stylish designs, today's students who grow up with Mac will be tomorrow's developers who will give the Mac much more priority than today's developers"

While OS X is an improvement over the much harder to use previous versions (no CLI), it makes you wonder why it took 9 OS versions BEFORE they ever decided to make a serious OS. As for marketing and stylish designs and students-with-Apples: hate to break it to you: this is nothing different. We've had this same situation since 1978 or so, and Apple's share of the pie is smaller now than it was then.

Re:Hate to break it to you (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024668)

Thanks for giving us the hard cold facts dumbshit.

Re:Don't laugh: symptom of big problem with Mac (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024460)

today's students who grow up with Mac will be tomorrow's developers who will give the Mac much more priority than today's developers.

Like all the students that grew up using Apple's products in the 80's that went on to give those products much more priority?

Re:Damn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024381)

That's the problem right there - these Bots will only run on three button mice.

Blessing in disguise? (5, Insightful)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024269)

If you can sell it, you can get stung selling it. This may be the sort of thing that law enforcement agencies need in order to start busting people.

Re:Blessing in disguise? (3, Insightful)

shadowbearer (554144) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024729)

Also, anyone who "purchases" this and starts using the network is likely to get caught up in the sweep. Not that I'd feel all that sorry for them...

SB

Terrorism? (4, Insightful)

MrChuck (14227) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024270)

So how long before companies/gov't are taken "hostage" by rented DOS machines?

Now, if we just BLOCK connections from windows boxes to our machines except for (say) WWW or DNS, then our lives are better. pf (in openbsd and now freebsd 5) can do it.

Me? I'm pulling IPv4 stakes up. Only been spammed once by someone with an IPv6 address.

Re:Terrorism? (1)

irokitt (663593) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024319)

"I'm pulling IPv4 stakes up."

Just curious, what do you mean by that?

Re:Terrorism? (5, Funny)

nil5 (538942) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024320)

Me? I'm pulling IPv4 stakes up. Only been spammed once by someone with an IPv6 address.


Looks like the only person using IPv6 is a spammer!

Re:Terrorism? (1)

nacturation (646836) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024388)

How can you determine what kind of machine a TCP/IP packet is sent from? Is it not possible to spoof this also? Also, allowing anything but www/dns traffic does nothing for a denial of service attack which targets a website... sort of like the ultimate slashdotting.

Re:Terrorism? (1)

Rich0 (548339) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024479)

There are fingerprinting techniques based on things like sequence numbers which can identify some specific OS's. However, it is possible to spoof - but only if you are generting raw TCP packets. I'm not sure if windows supports this. Normally you just make an OS call to open a connection and give it the data to relay.

Re:Terrorism? (5, Informative)

PurpleFloyd (149812) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024448)

So how long before companies/gov't are taken "hostage" by rented DOS machines?
It's already happening [theregister.co.uk] . Plenty of online casinos have been the victims of blackmail from DDoS attackers - basically, the DDoS'ers are running a protection racket. I've heard that the Russian organized crime syndicates may be involved; obviously, this is only speculation by myself and others.

Re:Terrorism? (0, Flamebait)

ezh (707373) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024711)

speculations worth nothing, just create unnecessary hassle. what i mean is "speak the facts or just shut up".

Re:Terrorism? (5, Insightful)

dustmite (667870) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024588)

Distributed DDOS on an organization's servers IS NOT TERRORISM already (unless explicitly accompanied by physical violence or threats of physical violence). Sheesh, have we all been that brainwashed already by Bush and things like Patriot Act?

If DDOSing some servers is "terrorism", then so is almost every single crime in the book.

Re:Terrorism? (2, Insightful)

irc.goatse.cx troll (593289) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024638)

"Now, if we just BLOCK connections from windows boxes to our machines except for (say) WWW or DNS, then our lives are better. pf (in openbsd and now freebsd 5) can do it."

At what cost? Maybe your 500mhz k6-2 can block your sister and moms wintendo box from accessing kazaa, or even route all windows wifi users to a page that autoexploits all ie versions, but what kind of cpu power do you think it will take for an entire ISP to start routing tens of thousands of hosts based on OS version? I'll give you a hint: theres a reason it hasn't happened yet.

A preview for Grid Computing? (5, Insightful)

datastalker (775227) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024272)

While it is deplorable that it takes criminal action (or porn) to move technologies to the forefront, it does happen. This, to me, seems like the famed "Grid Computing", and whilst stopping criminals, I hope law enforcement learns enough to pass the knowledge on so that others can use it for legitimate computing.

Re:A preview for Grid Computing? (4, Informative)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024366)

Bah, this is definitely *not* grid computing. Grid computing is sorta like clustered computing, but not quite, where it's possible to purchase CPU cycles from the grid for use in high-performance computing applications. Think a beowulf-for-hire, only the nodes aren't necessarily commodity hardware (for example, here in Western Canada, there's a project to build a grid connecting various academic supercomputing resources).

These zombie-nets, OTOH, are simply large networks of computers that can be asked to do the same thing on a large scale. BFD. Hell, I wrote some Perl code to do just this for administration of a testbed during one of my previous jobs. It's nothing new, and most definitely not an advancement of technology.

Re:A preview for Grid Computing? (5, Informative)

Paul Townend (185536) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024596)

I think that's a really dodgy view of Grid computing. Grid computing is essentially resource/service sharing across heterogeneous nodes (i.e. different types of machines - macs/pcs/microscopes/etc). To do that, the Global Grid Forum [ggf.org] are developing a load of standard protocols and methods for getting everything to inter-communicate.

As far as I'm aware, there is currently no standard way of purchasing CPU cycles or similar, although there are a number of working groups whose remit probably covers this.

The beauty of the Grid is more in being able to seamlessly connect to pretty much any hardware resource you want - I suspect that in reality, the actual economics will be dictated more by existing commercial agreements more than anything else.

Re:A preview for Grid Computing? (1)

gregfortune (313889) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024498)

Sorry, but no. Very little "computing" would be taking place as the basic function of the zombies is to send large amounts of data to unrelated hosts. It's not as if the controlling computer is asking for computed results...

Immense power. (5, Interesting)

nil5 (538942) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024277)

With the number of known vulnerabilities in Microsoft operating systems, (not to mention the ones we don't even know about) it is really not hard to imagine these botnets being frighteningly large. I read one article that estimated the current number at something like 100,000! I'm doubt it's enough to bring down the entire Internet, but this could still be capable of providing some crushing DoS attacks, a la SCO.

Gives some merit to distributed hosting companies like akamai, etc.

Kiss Me, I'm Redundant (5, Funny)

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How is that possible? (2, Insightful)

Mr. Arbusto (300950) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024285)

'The trade of BotNets of compromised machines is becoming an industry in itself. Organised crime is making use of this industry.'

How? Am I confused by think of organised crime like the New York or Russian Maffia.

Re:How is that possible? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024317)

New York or Russian Maffia.

They are not that organized, so they are just simple criminals. Martha Stewart, on the other hand...

Re:How is that possible? (4, Insightful)

Carnildo (712617) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024327)

Think "protection racket":

"Nice e-business you've got there. Be a shame if it got DDoS'd into oblivion by some unscrupulous types, wouldn't it? We'll protect you against that, for only $50,000 a month! How about it?"

Re:How is that possible? (1)

nametaken (610866) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024646)

I'm definately still more worried about someone showing up at the storefront with six thugs behind him saying they have my girl in the trunk of their cadillac.

Re:How is that possible? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024521)

Bootleggin' cyber-hooch for The Sims, capiche?

Blaming the user (0, Insightful)

Oriumpor (446718) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024307)

And why aren't we supposed to blame [theregister.co.uk] the dumb-shit who doesn't Update their system, install AV nor Firewall on his Winblows box?

Re:Blaming the user (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024492)

There is a limit to that I think. Think of it in terms of cars. Imagine buying a car from a major car manufacturer only to find out that every month you'll need to bring it in to the shop and have a few problems with it fixed. While they don't charge you to fix the car, it sure gets annoying and makes you wonder about the overall quality of their products. What's worse is when one of these problems appears before there is a fix and causes you to have a wreck and die, hurt someone else, etc.

Anyway that analogy can go on forever, but you should be able to see the point. MS has a responsibility to put out reliable, secure software just as much as Ford, Mazda, whatever has to put out safe, reliable vehicles. The patch-as-you-go thing doesn't cut it, and it's made obvious by things like this botnet problem.

Re:Blaming the user (5, Insightful)

rainman_bc (735332) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024507)

Isn't that like saying we should blame the dumb shit who doesn't install an anti-theft device in his/her car? Or the auto makers for not making it standard?

A thief is a thief. An extortionist is an extortionist. A duck is a duck.

Re:Blaming the user (4, Interesting)

Draknor (745036) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024649)

No, its more like blaming the dumb shit who leaves his doors unlocked and his windows open (pun not intended, but apt!), and then leaves the car sitting in a questionable neighborhood.

Installing anti-virus & firewall software are basic computer security measures, like closing the windows & locking your doors. Neither are foolproof, but both are simply a matter of training the user. Unfortunately, its been my experience that installing anti-virus & firewall software tends to be a much more painful process.

And of course - downloading updates would be analogous to putting fuel in the car: it is basic maintenance that needs to be done relatively frequently.

Re:Blaming the user (0, Troll)

MrRuslan (767128) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024658)

The One to blame is the Dumb-Shit company who know's about the dumb shit user base and dosent care...

destructive worm (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024318)

what we need is a good destructive worm to take care of these. "sorry, you're too stupid to use the internet, deleting harddrive."

Uh, don't. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024627)

You want both the Mofia and the FBI hunting you down? Well, maybe not the FBI, they may just wait until the Mofia is done with you.

RIAA (0, Redundant)

deanj (519759) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024323)

Man, it'd sure be weird if the RIAA started grabbing some of these compromised systems for their own use.

It'd kinda leave some people in a quandry, wouldn't it?

It's all too much... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024337)

Let me guess. As a result of excessive anti-spam and spyware legislation (to go along with mandatory national ID cards and other measures designed to keep the British public "safe" ), the spam industry has been driven underground and has become a new source of revenue for the criminal element.

Anyone who is wondering what the future will be like ought to look at the previous article about China. Does it make sense? It doesn't have to. People are simply more likely to want to impose upon others than rely upon themselves. As a result, we'll all eventually be chained together and herded like cattle.

Sorry Kids. (2, Funny)

platypibri (762478) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024353)

You cannot rent these to get those outrageous URT2K4 frame rates you all crave so much. However, it does make me think about writing a "bail me out" script to log some of these machines on a game server as my "back up". Hmmm....

Despite all this ... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024363)

In Soviet Russia computers rent you.

Seriously guys. . . (4, Interesting)

UFNinja (726662) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024364)

We need to start beating the living crap out of people who mess with our stuff. Spammers, malware writers, black hats, you wouldn't put up with the neighborhood kid stealing your bike would you? No. You'd go kick his ass and take back your back. It's time to start kicking ass and taking back our Internet.

There is a solution (5, Interesting)

osjedi (9084) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024487)

I strongly believe that the most effective way to end this would be to scan for compromised nodes, identify them, and KNOCK THEM OUT. Then the user can call the local home-computer fixit guy to come fix their computer. He'll see it's infected with malware and fix it. User gets his computer fixed, fixit guy makes a buck, and one less node is spewing out sh*t.
Yes, I know this approach would be illegal. A felony computer crime in fact. I want legislation to make it legal and justified. I see it as self defense. Compromised nodes are clogging the internet with crap and the best defense is to knock them off-line. If I were standing in the middle of the freeway, clogging traffic and causing accidents the police would come remove me, by force if necessary. I see zombie nodes on the internet the same way.

Re:There is a solution (3, Funny)

moxruby (152805) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024622)

Sounds like a "preemptive strike", shouldn't have trouble getting that one through congress ;-)

Re:There is a solution (2, Insightful)

jonnystiph (192687) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024626)

I want legislation to make it legal and justified. I see it as self defense

Yes and no. It wouldn't work. You are giving way too much power to a group that already has too much power. The good effects would be far out wieghed by the negative. Soon after something like this was passed it would be seen as an intrusion of electronic rights, which to some degree it would be. Good on paper, bad in practice. Oh hum, back to the drawing board.

Re:There is a solution (1)

ajna (151852) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024738)

You are giving way too much power to a group that already has too much power.

And which group is this? Computer nerds with too much time on their hands? (Not that that's a bad thing... ) Your "rebuttal" looks good on paper, but I think it might be bad in practice.

Re:There is a solution (5, Insightful)

Caraig (186934) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024670)

Reaching out and clobbering computers is exactly the same thing that the RIAA wants the legal power to do.

The only real solution is an ISP-side one. The ISP says, 'If your computer is spewing out malware broadcasts, we have the obligation to kick you off the internet and then help you clean up your computer. If something happens, contact our customer care department or go to the other ISP down the street.' Yes, it inconveniences users but I'd rather see some users inconvenienced than Big Government give legal power to ANYONE to clobber a node without recourse.

Re:There is a solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024679)

RoadRunner (Cable internet provider) in my area does this. It brings me a lot of business because I run the local repair shop.

Awesome (3, Funny)

shadowmatter (734276) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024367)

Whole warehouses of infected PCs for sale? Sweet. I think I'm gonna hit up this place right after I swing by the used syringe lot.

- sm

Re:Awesome (1)

gravyfaucet (759255) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024470)

Quick. We can hide out in this abandoned warehouse. Doh! Stupid economic recovery!

Infected PC's for Sale??? (5, Funny)

WwWonka (545303) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024372)

I find this article on infected PC's/networks for rent so full of sh..#$.\10# \AE \3H......

Welcome!

This PC is for rent.
Please contact us at

www.Claria.com [claria.com]

Welcome, (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024382)

Welcome to two years ago..
fucking nubs
keep j00r fucking ears on the SECURECITY UNDERGTOURND ffs,
CAN YOUY NOT DO THAT?!?1?

Re:Welcome, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024478)

NO, because I don't understand what you would like me to do. English please!

Distributed Malware. (5, Insightful)

Leonig Mig (695104) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024404)

The scope of this is huge - true - I'm no industry player or top level developer - but still - we can all see the scope of this.

distributed applications are the killer app of the internet - XAML, .net, Java - all buzzwords. Grid computing - thanks to Oracle - The Internet - so much scope it created the biggest financial bubble in the history of capitalism.

Now - the corporates (MS?) are getting so inept that criminal gangs are stealing our future off us. Please - let's start stopping them.

microsoft (5, Interesting)

stfubye (775997) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024446)

A guy I know runs his unpatched Windows XP computer 24/7, and never does virus scans. The other day he got 1000+ (around 400mb) executable files in his C home directory. I asked him what he plans to do about it, and surprisingly enough he didn't want to apply critical updates. He said he doesn't care what people do to his computer, because he does nothing important on it. It amazes how many people must think like him.

Re:microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024499)

If you'd like, you can give me his address and I'll provide a little... lesson... in importance of proper security. With a bat.

Re:microsoft (3, Insightful)

Sanchez The Outlaw (756237) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024603)

As much as I'd like to blame Microsoft for creating the security holes in the first place, no ammount of patches can make up for a user who won't keep his machine secure. I don't think he'd be so complacent if one day he found someone had deleted his files, erased his hard drive etc.

Re:microsoft (3, Insightful)

Mesaeus (692570) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024716)

But that's the point. They won't do that. Instead of having the one time small pleasure of torturing ONE imbecile, they'd rather use him as part of their undead legions, who can smite anything on the Net that even looks funny at them. His pc is far more interesting as a launch platform for attacks against people who do try to secure their networks and who (usually) DO have something worthwhile to attack. Morons like this are quite a bit more rare than 'normal' people, who will try to protect their pc's even if they fail utterly at it in practice.

I told you!!! (4, Funny)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024449)

I told you /. was a DDOS front! Most of these 'stories' are placed by competiors of the companies linked from the stories...

I TOLD YOU!!!

Media-whoring (2, Interesting)

Pike65 (454932) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024471)

Is there anything that Organised Crime isn't making use of these days?

I just wrote a (bad) paper on a networking structure for games systems. I give it three weeks from when I hand it in until Organised Crime get their hooks into it. Apparently film piracy is also part of Organised Crime, and not my mate Donn, as I have previously thought.

Call me a cynic - but it seems to me that anyone who wants to get the media in on their thing cites Organised Crime as a benefactor and watches the links roll in.

OK - I'm done.

A comedy in One Part. (4, Funny)

YankeeInExile (577704) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024509)

Scene: A Courtroom

Bailiff
The first court of Onlineia is now in session, Honorable Judge Foo presiding.
Judge
I have read your complaint. Let's hear from the plaintiff.
Plaintiff
Thank you, your honor. In our case, we intend to prove that the defendant, in violation of our terms of service, removed the viruses we had gone through great trouble to install and operate on a network of computers, leading to considerable monetary damages in the sum of $1.2 million
Judge
You may call your first witness
Plaintiff
Thank you, your honor. We call J. Random Hacker

Bailiff swears in J.R.H.

Plaintiff
Mister Hacker. Did you, on 21 May 2004 rent for exclusive use, twenty-four hours of access to our BotNet DeLuxe service?
JRH
I did
Plaintiff
And what was your intention when you rented use of the cluster?
JRH
Well, at first I just wanted to set up a program to repeatedly check the home page on slasdot, trying to get first post
Plaintiff
And how did you go about that?
JRH
Well, I wrote this monster of a VB Program, but it was really buggy and I could not get it to work, so I decided to switch to Ruby
Plaintiff
And what happened next?
JRH
Well, I chose to install Geekdist Linux 12.11 because it came with the toolchain I was accustomed to
Plaintiff
But, did you not agree, when you rented this exclusive access not to damage our network in any way?
JRH
I guess so ...
Plaintiff
And would you not consider removing our access to these machines a form of damage?
JRH
No, sir, I do not. I consider the machines upgraded
Plaintiff
No further questions.

... write your own ending.

I think a good path for D. to take would be to show that P. does not have standing to bring the case in the first place, but that probably would have come up in pretrial motions... I have to go work

All your PC are belong to... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024526)

...the highest bidder!

... the dark side of distributed computing :-) (4, Interesting)

JMZorko (150414) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024533)

I find this fascinating. Programs like SETI@home use the CPU of millions of distributed nodes to crunch SETI data -- a far more scalable solution to computing problems like this than running a big machine / cluster of your own. This article describes the same thing, except on the opposite side of the line -- millions (potentially?) of distrbuted nodes being used to do the will of spammers / virus writers / etc., a far more scalable solution than running your own spamming system.

Really, I do find this fascinating, albeit in an underhanded way.

Regards,

John

question (4, Interesting)

moviepig.com (745183) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024543)

So there's a new micro-ecology of predators (spammers) and prey (vulnerable machines).

Presumably the exploitation of these victim-lists will proliferate with all the automated efficiency that is the spammer's hallmark. At its logical extreme, there'll soon be multiple spammers descending simultaneously en masse onto each listed victim, which one way or another results in the victim being shut down (presumably).

So, might the predators eat themselves out of existence?

(I know. I've been watching too much sci-fi.)

Re:question (1)

Leonig Mig (695104) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024557)

logically - wouldn't that mean one uber-spammer would rule the entire network?

Re:question (5, Interesting)

Xeger (20906) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024664)

An interesting idea.

If we take our cues from nature, I would expect that long before the predators exhaust their supply of prey, they will turn on each other. Each predator's worms/virii/malware will begin to not only infect machines, but destroy competitors' malware that has already infected the machine.

In fact, come to think of it, the most effective way to own a box is to infect it, destroy any competing malware, and then patch the exploit that allowed you to infect it in the first place! We may begin to see host-healing worms that do just this. (Without the ability to kill off competing infections, however, this practice is only marginally useful.)

Beyatches of the web (0, Offtopic)

Safety Cap (253500) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024586)

'The trade of BotNets of compromised machines is becoming an industry in itself.

Duh. If you can get a Ho in the Big House for a carton of smokes, why not the same for the Beyatches of the web?

Re:Beyatches of the web (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024613)

"me so infected, me serve you long time..."

oo will buy my luvly bots? (0, Redundant)

StuWho (748218) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024591)

Roll up Guvnor. You looks like a fine Gent and no mistake, but what's a fine Gent if he's not a man in need of a spambot with its tendrils in many fine PCs?

2 and 6 Guvnor, you know you want it. Orl yer Viagra and Nigerian Malarkey - perfect for it, it is!

Oh... Come on Guv!

Let's call it a Tanner then.

OMFG MY COCK IS HUGE!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024645)

i bought a creme and rubbed it and it got bigger and then i got some mor creme.

root'd! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024655)

This reminds me of prison sex- first they violate you for the pleasure of it, then you become so degraded they rent your ass out.

Taking responsibility (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024685)

Tracing controllers of a botnet is next to impossible ... and everyone says that the people running the trojans are innocent victims. Well, this is going to carry on until the 'victims' are punished for their BLATANT NEGLIGENCE. They CHOOSE to run M$ software, and Outlook ... therefore they CHOOSE to run the risk of viruses. I say we start cutting them off their ISPs, maybe even prosecuting a few to make an example of them ... windoze lusers will start paying attention to their security *then*, and botnets will die.

WTF, you call this "news"? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9024702)

You've NEVER used EFNET, have you?

This shit has been happening for years, virtually unchanged. The only difference is that now it's slightly more automated than it used to be, slightly more publically visible, and slightly more capitalist in nature. But what this article is describing was totally standard for the botnet wars in 1997, just then it was Wingates and "shells" instead of worm infections and "Zombies".

(Posted AC because I'm paranoid.)

I'm selling mine (2, Funny)

dragin33 (529413) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024710)

... for $12/h. Who wants it?

the only answer (4, Interesting)

pizza_milkshake (580452) | more than 10 years ago | (#9024715)

the only real answer would be to write a worm to wiggle its way onto exploitable machines, patch known holes, i.e. turning off most services, setting common application settings to common-sense ones and then delete itself.

unfortunately, this would be illegal. however, that won't stop anyone; what's stopping people from doing this is that to someone who could do it it's a waste of resources. if you have all those machines out there you can get your hands on, why not use them for your own nefarious purposes, since the people who own them neither have the common sense nor the ability to control their own machines.

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