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USA Today and NYT on Linux rising

CmdrTaco posted more than 9 years ago | from the guess-who's-back dept.

Linux Business 157

prostoalex writes "USA Today notices significant rise of Linux in the high-end enterprise environment. Although it doesn't provide obligatory pretty pictures, the paper mentions the projects at Pacific Northwest National Laboratory and NASA. Also if you've missed the New York Times Google article of the day, the expose on John Doerr from Valley's venerable KPCB talks about venture fund investing $12 million in LinuxCare. NYT quote: "That's a freight train I wouldn't want to get in front of," said Mr. Doerr, explaining the importance to having a stake in a Linux-based venture. "Probably get run over.''"

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Hey look (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051048)

another linux is getting more popular story, what a shock. Linux still SUCKS.

Ninnle still the best! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051527)

Soon, Ninnle Linux, the best Linux distro out there, will surpass Windows in popularity. It is already far superior to anything else in flexibility, security, configurability, and just-plain ease-of-use! I'm not surprised that USA Today and the NYT are choossing to give Linux more and more coverage, but highly disappointed that Ninnle isn't mentioned once. Considering Linus himself runs it on his own system, you would think Ninnle would have a higher profile.

Re:Hey look (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051788)

At least it isn't another iPod advertisement.

Re:Hey look (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9052311)

Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

But this is Linux's #1 propaganda site, so what'd you expect? To load slashdot without seeing pro-linux propaganda?

fp attempt (-1, Offtopic)

swschrad (312009) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051051)

linux is going to be everywhere, even if only in single-machine quantities. let me know when they have one Tuxbox on every desk

Wow. what is Microsoft going to do? (0, Redundant)

Muda69 (718162) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051052)

This is exciting news. I wonder what Microsoft's response to this is?

Re:Wow. what is Microsoft going to do? (5, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051092)


Their response? Bankrolling SCO for a few more years.

Re:Wow. what is Microsoft going to do? (4, Funny)

two_stripe (584918) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051095)

Well, according to the banner add at the top of this page, Windows Server has a cheaper TCO than linux.

Maybe they'll just advertise on /. more often?

Re:Wow. what is Microsoft going to do? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9052001)

I saw that ad dude - they're comparing Linux running on the mainframe and saying it's cheaper if you have a pentium or something like that.

Re:Wow. what is Microsoft going to do? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051106)

Wanna cyber? I've got my robe and wizard hat.

King of the Unbiased (4, Funny)

strictnein (318940) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051070)

John Doerr from Valley's venerable KPCB talks about (his) venture fund investing $12 million in LinuxCare. NYT quote: "That's a freight train I wouldn't want to get in front of," said Mr. Doerr, explaining the importance to having a stake in a Linux-based venture.

Slashdot.org: King of the unbiased quotes

Next article: We ask Linus if Linux is l33t and Windows sux0rz

Government using unix derivative - not newsworthy (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051808)

I suppose that the government funded projects / agencies mentioned have never ever used unix before.

Re:King of the Unbiased (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9052183)

John also says everybody needs to get in before the bubble bursts.

Again.

Best line (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051077)


"There is minimal competition from Microsoft [Corp.] in this high-performance arena,"

Well... that isn't quite confirmation from Netcraft but...

Freight train? (5, Funny)

sczimme (603413) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051081)


NYT quote: "That's a freight train I wouldn't want to get in front of," said Mr. Doerr, explaining the importance to having a stake in a Linux-based venture. "Probably get run over.''"

Unlike all those other fluffy freight trains that one could "get in front of" with no consequences. I imagine his last name is pronounced "derrr" (see 'duh' [colloquial]).

Re:Freight train? (4, Funny)

frenetic3 (166950) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051228)

"Probably get run over."
Well, thank God he clarified that for us. I thought the freight train would start prancing and singing show tunes.

-fren

Re:Freight train? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051418)

You do realized, both of you, that Linux isn't an actual, literal freight train and that he was being metaphorical, correct?

Re:Freight train? (3, Funny)

Black Rabbit (236299) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051543)

The Linux Freight Train: "I think I can, I think I can..."

Ninnle Freight Train? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051557)

"I KNOW I can, I KNOW I can!"

Re:Ninnle Freight Train? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051795)

Correction:
"I already did, and will continue doing so."

Re:Freight train? (2, Informative)

Omega1045 (584264) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051718)

Check this out:

KC Article on Doerr [kansascity.com]

From the article: His investment into Google might qualify as the best venture investment ever made -- a huge return of roughly $3 billion, or 240 times the initial $12.5 million he invested.

I think it is Doerr, pronounce ka-ching.

Re:Freight train? (2, Insightful)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051970)

I hate it when people start throwing around talk of huge profits. Last time, it spawned a lot of companies later called ".bomb"s...

Not that I think Google will fail...but a massive rush of investment into Linux businesses could lead to another serious round of hype.

Old! :) (4, Funny)

dorward (129628) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051086)

What I was going to say:

Version 2.6, already running in some test settings

Eh? Hasn't 2.6 been officially stable for quite a while? Does it run quite of a lot of production systems?

Oooooh!

5/3/2004

A two month old article! Well done slashdot!

What I realised just before I hit submit:

Ngggg! Why can't people use ISO date format? That is the silly month/day/year format.

Re:Old! :) (1)

commo1 (709770) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051133)

Maybe the multi-format date conventions are part of a Microsoft plot to..... RULE THE WORLD!!!! HA HA HA!!!!... Seriously... why "can't people use ISO date format"? Does it serve any purpose other than a) aggravate and b) useful for proprietary & old data entry applications. Does anyone know exactly where other formats are required/suggested/preffered?

Re:Old! :) (1)

grub (11606) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051180)


My logs and other files that I archive are named "foo_yyyymmdd" so they easily sort by year, month and day. Month/day/year is just stupid.

Re:Old! :) (1)

Minna Kirai (624281) | more than 9 years ago | (#9052323)

files that I archive are named "foo_yyyymmdd"

You can do a 1-line shell script to copy any single file into a date-stamped backup:
test $1 && cp -r $1 $1.`$0`||date +%y%m%d

(That command is non-Y2K-compliant, however)

Re:Old! :) (1)

strictnein (318940) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051182)

I think it's just how us crazy Americans refer to dates. We say "on June 5th" (6/5/04) instead of "the 5th of June" (5/6/04).

Or am I wrong on this? Do people who use the standard DD/MM/YYYY still say "Month/Day" when refering to a date?

Re:Old! :) (2, Informative)

Anonytroll (751214) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051229)

No, we say "Day/Month". In Germany we say "on 5th June". Of course I cannot speak for other countries/languages.

Re:Old! :) (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051313)

In .uk we say absolutely anything. "June 5th" is just fine, though it would more normally be "June the 5th". You'll also hear "the 5th of June" and this will also be fine.

In writing dates, though, it's definitely dd/mm/yy.

Re:Old! :) (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051549)

In writing dates, though, it's definitely dd/mm/yy.

Screw that. I'd much rather have yyyy/mm/dd. It's easier to read (since you know that you're in the right year before you get to the month) and it sorts much easer.

Re:Old! :) (1)

perly-king-69 (580000) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051300)

In the UK, you're most likely to hear it said "5th of June." I don't think the traditional Guy Fawkes night poem works well with "Remember, remember, November 5th."

It's always made sense to me to use D/M/Y as it's in some sort of order: Day is smaller than Month is smaller than Year. You wouldn't say 15:00:10 to represent quarter-past ten would you?

Re:Old! :) (1)

wass (72082) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051392)

No, but according to your logic you should use Y/M/D in decreasing order as per your time example.

Re:Old! :) (1)

perly-king-69 (580000) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051404)

No, I just said that it was in some sort of order. One is ascending, the other descending. But in order nevertheless.

Re:Old! :) (2, Interesting)

wass (72082) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051572)

Yeah, that's exactly my point. Your date order is only marginal better than the standard American system, unless you happen to write times backward.

How would you normally write 16 minutes and 35 seconds after 3 pm? Either 3:16:35 or 15:16:35 (depending on 24-hour time being used or not). Here in USA we would say this time as "three-sixteen pm" or maybe "three-sixteen pm and 35 seconds".

The American format is annoying, I agree. (I'm American). In my computer data files and scientific notebooks I use format YYYY-MM-DD, and occasionally for frequenctly-created files YYYY-MM-DD-HH-MM (second MM is minutes). So that's why I had a problem with your system, as it would cause the exact same kind of problem.

A parent post above mentioned that the reason American date formats are like this is that we tend to say June 5th, and I guess Europeans and others tend to say 5th of June. But time here in USA is hour:minute (10:34). So the only real inconstincy in the American system is the position of the year, which should come first instead of at the end.

How would you write and say the time and date? I imagine it too would have inconsistencies.

Re:Old! :) (2, Interesting)

wine (211387) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051567)

In Holland we use the DD/MM/YYYY-notation and can only pronouce it as "5 juni". The much used phrase 9/11 is confusing because in our book it should refer to "9 november".

The only reason I can think of DD/MM/YYYY is more logical than MM/DD/YYYY is because the increasing size of the time spans. But than again, in the common HH:MM:SS notation the sizes are decreasing.

As other readers pointed out YYYYMMDD is very nice for sorting. Others say ISO should be used. But even then MM and DD can still be confusing.

I opt for star dates. ;)

Re:Old! :) (1)

wine (211387) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051597)

In Holland we use the DD/MM/YYYY-notation and can only pronouce it as "5 juni"

Talking to self:
That is ofcourse only in case the date reads 05-06-2004. ;) Duh!

Re:Old! :) (1)

Yartrebo (690383) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051703)

YYYY/MM/DD is good for computers, since it's easy to sort (just a simple 32-bit subcc instruction in SPARC does the comparison, using either binary coded decimal or straight binary), and I would write computer code using that format.

I use DD-MMM-YYYY (ie., 24-Mar-1562) when writing it for human consumption though, because the day is the most commonly needed part, followed by the month, followed by the year. The first two digits of the year are almost looked at, and a lot of people omit it, but I use 4-digit years and spell out the first three letters of the month so that people make no mistakes about what format I'm using. Only years have 4 digits, "Mar" can only be a month, and the remaining number must be the day.

For spoken, I'll say "The first of May, eighteen ninety-nine" (for a date) or "cinco de mayo" or "le quatorze juillet" (for a yearly event, or when the year is obvious). There are exceptions ... 11/9 just sounds weird since everyone seems to refer to it by 9/11, so I'll reverse the order and say "september eleventh" while the day before is "the tenth of september". For US holidays, I mix it up, some times it is "July fourth", and other times it is "the fourth of July".

Re:Old! :) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051217)

I still think we should all switch to the MySQL date format:

yyyy-mm-dd HH:MM::SS

that way, the most signifigant numbers are on the left, like our numbering system.

Re:Old! :) (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051849)

Right, MySQL invented that. I hear they also have this new thing called "transactions" they've been working on.

Re:Old! :) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051308)

It's USA Today (reprinting an article taken from FCW), which follows the general american format of DD/MM/YYYY, thus 5/3/2004 becomes May 3, 2004, which was yesterday. Different countries and different locales within the same country use different formats and getting them all to standardize on one would be futile. It would be like trying to convert everyone on earth from QWERTY keyboards to Dvorak - it just ain't gonna happen.

Additionally, not all shops are going to drop everything the moment 2.6 comes out and spend time upgrading all their machines. Thus, 2.6, while "stable" by Linus's definition, is not yet mature enough for a production environment. Organizations upgrading to 2.6 are "trying out" the new kernel on test servers. Hence, the article's author saying "already running in some test settings" is quite accurate.

Re:Old! :) (1)

strictnein (318940) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051366)

which follows the general american format of DD/MM/YYYY, thus 5/3/2004 becomes May 3, 2004

You mean the American MM/DD/YYYY =)

Re:Old! :) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051975)

you would be correct.

dyslexia from suffer sometimes i, ya know?

Re:Old! :) (4, Interesting)

pesc (147035) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051334)

Why can't people use ISO date format? That is the silly month/day/year format.

The ISO format [cam.ac.uk] is YYYY-MM-DD. Big-endian, like how we write other numbers, or times. Sorts easily.

See the ISO date format campaign. [demon.co.uk]

An interesting alternative is to do what VMS does: 4-MAY-2004 No ambiguity when you spell out the month (VMS uses three letter abbreviations). But it's not culture neutral of course...

Re:Old! :) (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 9 years ago | (#9052161)

But it's not culture neutral of course...

Any date representation that picks one calendar system as canonical, Gregorian included, is not "culture neutral". Someone's bound to be upset that ISO dates don't look like Prickle-Prickle, Discord 51, Year of Our Lady of Discord 3170.

I think you fnord meant "locale neutral".

Re:Old! :) (1)

theLOUDroom (556455) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051749)

Ngggg! Why can't people use ISO date format? That is the silly month/day/year format.

Because our date format was designed for humans, not computers.

Seriously, people know what year it is, so saying "Two-thousand four, May fifth" is a big fat waste of time. By the time you're done telling what year it is, a normal, non-ISO date using person would havegiven me all the info I needed to know.
If I ask you, "What's the date?" and you start in telling me what year it is, I'm going to think "Asshole! I know what year it is, get to the useful info."

What's wrong with software conforming to humans rather than humans conforming to software?

Re:Old! :) (1)

RdsArts (667685) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051859)

'Sure, I'll need that by 02/07'
'Umm... Boss, it's already March.'
'Wha... What? No.. No, I need that in July.'

'And then, in 02/02/04 -'
'Feburary 2nd, 2004?!?'
'No. Moron. March 4th, 2002.'

Because humans insist on using shortform when it's confusing as all hell.

If I say 2/4, is it US notation? European? April 2nd or March 4th?

If I say 2004-02-04, you instantly know March 4th, 2004.

Of course, that wouldn't happen in spoken word, but I can't remember the last time someone made a audio-post to /..

Re:Old! :) (2, Insightful)

dorward (129628) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051881)

Seriously, people know what year it is, so saying "Two-thousand four, May fifth" is a big fat waste of time

Given the context is the written word, and that documents will (hopefully) persist beyond one week - the reader probably won't know that the document was written in 2004 unless the document says so.

begs the question ... (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051114)

Has any of the companies the John Doerr has launched every paid a dividend?

Or is this just Silicon Valley Russian Roulette all over again?

Re:begs the question ... (4, Informative)

nelsonal (549144) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051274)

You were probably being facetous, but back in the day one of his first venture investments was in Compaq, which paid a dividend prior to their acquisition by HP. HP, of course pays a dividend as well. Pretty sad that you have to go back to his first venture investments (in 1980 to find a dividend paying company). Intuit could afford to and will likely begin to pay a dividend in the next few years.

Re:begs the question ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051287)

Anyone who ever bought NSCP would have made $$$$ if they'd held onto it until AOL took over...that was jimb's big claim at the end...sniff...

Re:begs the question ... (3, Insightful)

smallpaul (65919) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051919)

Paying a dividend is only one way of rewarding shareholders. The other is to reinvest in growth. No early investor of Microsoft complained that it took them years (decades?) to pay a dividend. The trick is for the company and the shareholders to both recognize when further growth is unlikely.

Please not another linux rising story... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051115)

I would like to see Linux succeed as much as any other slashbot, but these "linux is gaining ground" and "XXXX is going to be the year of the linux desktop" stories all over the place are as old as the FreeBSD is dying posts. The next story(ies) I want to see concerning linux gaining ground is when linux surpasses its commercial competitors... specifically apple and MS. If anything I think the large number of them hurts the cause, because using solar energy as an example, years of reading about how much better things are getting and how big things are just around the corner makes you lose faith in the technology.

Re:Please not another linux rising story... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051279)

The reason you see this kind of linux propaganda is because slashdot, being part of OSDN, is up to its neck in interest in linux succeeding. Its not really a news site anymore so much as a big ad for linux.

Re:Please not another linux rising story... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9052017)

I'd mod this up if I had the points right now.

This isn't suprising now, is it? (5, Insightful)

MoThugz (560556) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051119)

I mean, seriously... in high-end enterprises traditionally powered by mainframes and other big iron computers, it's just waiting to be overrun by Linux.

Sure, it can also be the *BSDs, but there's no denying that Linux is where the growth is much, much more rapid.

Within the space of a few years, Linux already has feasible clustering technologies and tremendous kernel-level improvements (as can be seen in the 2.6 series).

Those who can't see "the Linux advantage" in this area are just blind, or choosing to see it as a competitor to their traditional solutions, and not as a potentially profitable and cost-effective tool that it really is.

Re: USA Today and NYT on Linux rising (4, Insightful)

manavendra (688020) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051135)

I don't deny that Linux is rising. Hurrah to open source and down with evil corporations and PHBs!(err, assuming they don't exist in OSS)

However, $12 mil is too small in today's world. The LinuxCare website does not have any customer testimonials listed. Neither is the website itself too impressive - gives you the impression of a startup. Will it crawl, walk and run? Only time will tell.

But what's important is the disparate, yet collective impetus for individuals and organizations far and wide, into a solution that doesn't exist as a single dominant entity, but feeds upon the ever-increasing converts (or zealots).

Let's hope, with time, not only is Linux's use spreads to corporations, but also it becomes usable and acceptable by newbie users. We all know how great and brilliant Linux is, but the true acceptance will come the day first time computer buyers will go and buy a Linux pre-installed PC.

They already do! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051202)

Go to walmart.com [walmart.com] and see pre-installed Linux machines with newbie distros! SuSE, Xandros, Linspire and Java Desktop.

Please also try KDE 3.2 and GNOME 2.6, you will be SHOCKED how EASY THEY ARE!

Re: USA Today and NYT on Linux rising (2, Informative)

Otter (3800) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051289)

However, $12 mil is too small in today's world. The LinuxCare website does not have any customer testimonials listed. Neither is the website itself too impressive - gives you the impression of a startup. Will it crawl, walk and run? Only time will tell.

LinuxCare has been around for five years, and Kleiner Perkins was involved from the begining. It's been through multiple rounds of scandal and executive reshuffling already. It wasn't clear whether the $12M and the freight train quote are recent or from 1999. My impression is that the first is ancient news and the second is new, but maybe not.

Obligatory Lame Joke (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051137)

Rising? It must have taken viagra.

OMG ERECTION ITS SO FUNNY!!!!!1111one

Another Day... (3, Redundant)

cexshun (770970) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051154)

Another article about how linux will take over the world. I love GNU/Linux as much as the next guy, but we've been seeing article like this since RH 6.0. Linux on the desktop is the king of vaporware. The article should be modded down (-1) Redundant

Re:Another Day... (3, Informative)

MoThugz (560556) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051258)

If it was yet another "corporate desktop Linux" bullpaganda, I wouldn't have bothered clicking on the article link...

But FINALLY, it's an article about where Linux should be the OS of choice, and not where the desktop zealots think it should be.

You did RTFA before posting now, did you?

Re:Another Day... (3, Insightful)

cexshun (770970) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051378)

Yes I did. My comment on the desktop was slightly off topic, yet still related. But my point is still valid. How long have people been saying that linux/unix is the OS of choice for corporate servers? It's not that admins don't know about linux, it's that they just don't know how to use it. You wouldn't want to install an OS as a server that you knew nothing about, now would you?

I've talked to many other admins, and they all love the performance Linux adds to servers. But again, they just don't know how to administer linux, so they use IIS or whatever. Plus, in college, they don't teach Linux. I know at Purdue, all the classes are Visual Studio, IIS, etc. Why? Because MS gives the bookstore education copied of all their software. MS keeps the market cornered not because they are a better OS, or because linux is unknown. They dominate because they target the prime group. Students studying to be the future admins of the world.

Re:Another Day... (1)

MoThugz (560556) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051621)

I agree with what you said, which is, in essence... it's not the platform, but the skills required to operate the platform properly.

Heck, I find configuring Apache to be far more easier than IIS (ok, so mod_rewrite and a handful of other obscure modules don't count ;))... and I'm an MCSE (and starting to see the point why the more knowledgable techies look down on those four letters).

I also agree that MS has made the proper approach in "cornering" the students, but as far as it goes in Asia (at least), MS did not use this approach... some may argue that it's unnecessary (due to the piracy rate, etc. etc.), but academically Linux (and the BSDs to a lesser degree) are getting more and more exposure.

Seriously, how can it not be? It's not just a base OS, but a complete development platform (agreed that this depends on installation options selected, etc. etc.). Forget about being free, more importantly, it comes without any legal baggages that most universities (and students) would like to avoid by opting for proprietry stuff (not just MS here, but also Sun Solaris or IBM's AIX for example).

Re:Another Day... (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051895)

If you are running Microsoft software then the comfort level of your admins (to switch away) is the least of your concerns. Ditto for "software efficiency".

If the articles like this stopped comming... (1)

skurken (58262) | more than 9 years ago | (#9052155)

...then I'd worry. Perhaps reporting the rise of Linux on Slashdot is a bit like preaching to the quire, but I think there are several good reasons for doing it:

1) Mentioning how great their products will be and how many are already adopting the technology (even though it isn't finished yet) is one of Microsofts many marketing tricks and one that I'd say have helped them along. Why not learn from them?

2) Making a change in something as set as the desktop OS market requires substantial momentum and, as your post implied, RH couldn't do it, SuSE hasn't been able to do it but that doesn't mean it can't be done. It's all in the numbers and if the Linux community stops announcing all the (more or less) serious attempts, how will we know somebody is trying? How will we find new partners to colaborate with?

The first article mentioning "Desktop Linux on the Rise" was news, the second perhaps a bit less so and this one maybe not at all, but the increasing occurence of such articles is news in itself.

Big corporations (4, Interesting)

Elektroschock (659467) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051176)

American provide big business stories but it usually seems to be hot air. I don't care about big business as the community depends on a few people that actually do something.

I am not intrested in IBM urging SUN to gpl Java as IBM *easily* could provide assistence to the GNU Classpath project. And what about Jikes?

Or Nat Friedman's anti-KDE Fud machine. Novells Suse supports KDE and he will not change that committment.

Business stories may delight some reader, I found it rather unintresting.

I don't think that despite for propaganda reasons big business was of any real importance. When they want provide help it's letter stamp money for them. I would like to see a real committment, i.e. manpower, code and support. I am not intrested in campaigns from the PR office.

(While IBM's patent attorneys lobby in BXL for swpats...)

NEW YORK TIMES DETECTED (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051183)

Better double-check the facts to make sure they're not lying again.

Freight Train (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051189)

That's a freight train I wouldn't want to get in front of

Or be riding it on if it derails.

The best quote! (4, Interesting)

Pranjal (624521) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051198)


At the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory in Richland, Wash., Linux has all but taken over, said Scott Studham, associate director for advanced computing there. "When I got here three years ago, there were circa 1,000 processors here, of which four ran Linux," he said. "Now there are circa 2,000 processors, and maybe 64 of them don't run Linux."

If this doesn't show that Linux has gained over the years then I don;t know what will.

Gripe: Use of "circa" (3, Funny)

goldspider (445116) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051264)

(offtopic rant, goodbye karma!)

When did the words like "around", "about", and "roughly" become inadequate to convey an approximation?

Re:The best quote! (3, Funny)

schon (31600) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051467)

"When I got here three years ago, there were circa 1,000 processors here, of which four ran Linux," he said. "Now there are circa 2,000 processors, and maybe 64 of them don't run Linux."

Ahh.. so what he's saying is that when he got there, they had abacuses (abaci?), and now they have Pentium-IIs?

circa: in approximately: born circa 1900 [reference.com]

My question (of course), is how the hell did they get an abacus to run Linux?

Re:The best quote! (2, Insightful)

Cuzzle (776855) | more than 9 years ago | (#9052002)

I work for the laboratory and the quote is a little misleading. We actually have closer to 10,000 processors here 2,000 of which run Linux. These are the two supercomputer clusters that we have. Most of our servers and almost all the workstations have Microsoft operating systems. My group has 8 servers and about 100 workstations and only 2 servers and about 3 workstations run Linux. The supercomputers are simply incredible though!

execute american soldiers (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051201)

the american soldiers who were abusing the prisoners need to be executed, preferably live on TV.

Re:execute american soldiers (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9052093)

Funny how the US is the only country expected to obey the Geneva convention. F***ing hypocrites.

Linux is future (5, Interesting)

masternerd (753023) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051207)

Linux is future for
- Developer commnunity
- Intelligent software and equipments (Embedded software)
- Governments
- Expert level users
However, for common users linux still is away as
- For various applications, it is not yet common to have linux version and linux drivers
- Level of expertise (not that it is difficult but there always is resistance to change)
- Maturity in linux.
One thing is sure, linux march will prompt microsoft to do better in terms of price and quality.

Please try GNOME 2.6 and get informed! (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051284)

You have obviouly NOT tried GNOME 2.6. It has been given a complete usability makeover. Most notable is the new file manager which is ultra easy to use and the computer icon which makes hardware support ultra easy. Saying Linux is hard to use with modern distros such as the upcoimng Fedora 2 is nothing but a TROLL!

Intel has open sourced their centrino drivers, NVidia and ATI all have drivers so driver problems are now extermly rare!

um (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051842)

Don't let your fanboy-ism get in the way of the truth.
Read about those drivers on their Sourforge page:
http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/todo.php

The WEP code is unstable.
If WEP is enabled (CONFIG_IPW2100_WEP=y), it will eventually crash.
Occassionally[sic], packets start failing decryption.
Firmware restarts are still occuring too frequently.


WHOO!! Go open source111!!!

True (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9052245)

Linux doesn't have to compete with microsoft on quality (that it does is nice though). The important thing is that linux is open, and will always be around to provide competition to prevent companies like MS from price-gouging.

I see the goal of open source as being to make software a commodity, keeping profit-margins sensible and corporations down to size.

Linux is DYING (4, Insightful)

michael path (94586) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051250)

I've decided I'm going to write an article stating "Linux is dying", citing distribution fragmenting the market, Red Hat moving to the ~$5/mo. subsciption model, the end of FreeSWAN, and SCO's litigation invoking FUD.

I'd be full of shit, but it would be about as substanciated as some of the articles posted here on Linux lately.

Re:Linux is DYING (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051477)

Red Hat moving to the ~$5/mo. subsciption model
Stop spreading bullshit man, they aren't "moving" anywhere. They offer different contracts for different needs. WHY do so many slashdot readers spread so much Red Hat fud. So now its not they killed the desktop but we have to pay them $5 a month! OMG what happened to $60 a year!.. oh wait 5x12 is $60, move along..

Progress (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051525)

Good news, good news. Soon there will be stories of stupid Linux users phoning support and then we'll see viruses popping up everywhere. It will all be an anavoidable monolith that will shout out the fame of Linux.

Re:Linux is DYING (4, Funny)

azaris (699901) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051829)

As the result of a comment with the subject "Linux is DYING" being moderated to "+5, Insightful", Slashdot will now spontaneously implode.

Thank you for your time.

Research lab != enterprise computing (5, Insightful)

UNIXGK (674091) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051283)

"High-end enterprise environments?" The article is about scientific research clusters (MPP), not enterprise business servers, which are typically large SMP boxes. There's a big difference between 100 one-way Linux boxes crunching numbers with Fortran and a 100-way Sun E15000 running OLTP with Oracle. The latter is a "high-end enterprise environment"; the former is not.

Re:Research lab != enterprise computing (3, Informative)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 9 years ago | (#9052121)

Actually, an OLTP system is remarkably similar to number crunching with a Fortran MPP. Such a system is a large collection of small operations, many of which operate on discrete sets of data.

This is why real "high-end enterprise environments" that run such applications are deploying Linux clusters. Oracle is much better at scaling on multiple 8G systems than one 100G monster.

Another Close Call! (5, Funny)

Prince Vegeta SSJ4 (718736) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051315)

I Scanned the article and read John Doerr . . .investing $12 million in LinuxCare..

As some may now Bill Gates invests in companies like John Deere. I thought, "so that's how he's gonna get in, through the back door". Then I RTFA and said Whew!

They play that damn Nelly and Chingy to much, when something like DEER reads as DERR and vice versa.

Didn't they already go bankrupt once? (4, Informative)

pridkett (2666) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051367)

Correcty me if I'm wrong, but didn't linuxcare already go bankrupt (or nearly so) once during the DotCom flameout? I seem to recall them having an IPO planned and then canning the IPO and laying off a large portion of their staff in the same week. The only useful thing I remember from them was their bootable business card rescue CDs.

Heck, google doesn't even have a snapshot of text for linuxcare.com indicating it's been down for a while and was recently brought back up. In fact, the top hit for which there is a snippet is an article about linuxcare laying people off [oreillynet.com] .

Seems like some people are getting a bit too excited about the Google IPO and thinking that once again companies with no real business plan can do IPOs worth hundreds of millions of dollars. I'm sorry, but you're going to check your enthusiasm in favor or results for a little while at least.

of course linux is on the rise (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051424)

it is mankind's crowning acheivement. Moon landing? Transplants? Hoover dam? All of art and literature? Nothing compared the genius of linux.

only a man with the clarity and genius of linus could have come up with the incredible idea of writing another unix kernel, and incoporating features like x, nfs, the shell, vi, c, telnet and ftp, none of which existed before linux came along.

even the most ignorant fool (hello bill lol!) must surely see that linux offers things like e-mail, the internet and mp3 (though mp3 sux cos ogg is free as in speech) that other OSexen cannot supply, at least not in a way that doesnt suck because they're not gpl. even some linuxes are lame so i use gentoo.

if you use solaris or hpux or aix or irix or bsd then you might think you can do what linux does but your wrong because sun and hp and ibm and sgi are evil (except when they do linux, and even then sometimes) and they want to lock you into proprietary solutions but only linux is free cos of rms and anyway how do you mount an amiga ffs filesystem on your sucky unix? answer - you cant!

its gnu/linux anyway, but rms sux compared to linus.

Considers... (3, Funny)

grahamlee (522375) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051455)

Although it doesn't provide obligatory pretty pictures

Hardly obligatory then, are they?

Is This Realistic? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051494)

In the future - thousands of processors and Linux
won't scale to that?
I would doubt thousands of cpu's in an SMP even
for a propriatery OS.

New applications of Linux (5, Interesting)

justkarl (775856) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051504)

In my free time, when not reading /., I'm an amateur producer/DJ. One program I use is called FinalScratch [finalscratch.com] which implements it's own version of Linux to maximize performance. I think that hi-performance application specific apps like this, rather than using windows and outrageous system requirements, do well to implement their own shell.

This, as well as a larger support system/better useablity for Joe User, in my opinion, is what will bring Linux into the mainstream.

Joe user linux is here! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9051541)

Just try a Gnome 2.6 or KDE 3.2 based Linux such as Mandrake 10 or Fedora 2, they are really easy to use.

At the expense of HP-UX (5, Insightful)

eltoyoboyo (750015) | more than 9 years ago | (#9051529)

From the eWeek article on January 13th, 2003: [eweek.com] "The Pacific Northwest National Laboratory is already creating supercomputer clusters using HP rx2600 servers powered by Itanium 2 and running Linux. Scott Studham, technical lead for the lab's Molecular Science Computing Facility, said they chose Linux over HP-UX in part because they had used it in other projects. "It is very stable, very robust, and [it is] very easy to get support," Studham said."

The rising tide of Linux at the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory came at the expense of the HP-UX. And why not? The PNNL (and NASA) employ a significant number of engineers and computer scientists at high expense. They can justify having them work on computer projects such as customizing or modifying the operating system. I would expect them to "roll their own". Using open source probably has saved taxpayers a significant amount of time and money, and may benefit us all.

Most fortune 500 companies do not have the FTE allocations to bring in computer scientists, and instead look for packaged products and solutions.

Bottom line: Yay for Linux!, but this is not business news.

I like linux as much as the next guy (2, Insightful)

Gigaah (776844) | more than 9 years ago | (#9052047)

But thinking linux is taking on the world is still a bit silly to me. Sure its gained heaps of mainstream acceptace, but to think Microsoft will let it get out of hand and become a real threat just doesn't reflect history or reality. I know the /. community myself included doesn't care for MS. However, there isn't a one that can deny the corporate giants they are and what shrewed and effective buisness men run MS. I'm not a MAC fan(never even used one) but I think Apple has a better shot IF it adopted the x86 hardware. (Just ignore the crazy guy at the bottom of the list)
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