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Snap Appliance Snap Server 1100 NAS Device

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the ask-me-again-when-you-have-a-250-gig-version dept.

Data Storage 238

~*77*~ writes "While taking up considerably less space than a shoebox, this little device seamlessly allows users to add additional storage to any network in less than five minutes. Today we review the Snap Appliance 80GB Snap Server 1100. This compact NAS (network attached storage) device has many great features including: 5 minute installation, a compact web and ftp server, or simply a network share. Most importantly it works in a network mixed with Windows, Netware, UNIX, Linux, and Macintosh machines... "

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Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9051569)

YOU CANNOT STOP ME, unless you throw me in the oven and serve me piping hot with strawberry jam on my ass.

I've started a new punk band, it's called "Punjabi Vagina Popsicle," which is a phrase that made me laugh until I was blue in the face last night. And just to pre-reply with the easiest joke "yeah, I blew in your *mom's* face last night!" So you'll have to do better than that one.

SNAP (1, Informative)

jmays (450770) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051587)

I work with a 1.2T SNAP daily ... these things are great. Reliable, scalable and robust.

Re:SNAP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9051665)

Robust enough to handle a slashdotting?

Re:SNAP (1)

jmays (450770) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051685)

The 1.2T with the proper webserver and bandwidth ... yes ... without a doubt.

Re:SNAP (1)

Anixamander (448308) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051680)

Reliable, scalable and robust.

Robust? Robust? Something tells me you're spending too much time reading their marketing literature. Reliable...ok. Scalable...sure. But robust? This isn't coffeee you're talking about.

Re:SNAP (2, Informative)

jmays (450770) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051709)

Robust. []

" Powerfully built; sturdy. "

Of course, it's a word (2, Funny)

tomblackwell (6196) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051758)

It just happens to be a marketingspeak word rather than geekspeak or normalpersonspeak word.

Re:Of course, it's a word (1)

jmays (450770) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051787)

Just because you heard a word a lot in the .com BOOM doesn't mean that word doesn't apply.

In final, the SNAP server is ROBUST. And by that, I mean it is powerfully built.

Re:Of course, it's a word (1)

proj_2501 (78149) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051794)

i call shenanigans. we coders use 'robust' a lot more than the marketers, at least at my company.

Re:Of course, it's a word (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9051947)

None of my geek friends use "robust," so it's not a normalpersonspeak word.

Could you please show me the dictionary where you found "marketingspeak," "geekspeak," and "normalpersonspeak"?

Eric S. Raymond's "dictionaries" don't count, by the way.

The Iraq debacle just got worse (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9051746)

French TV to show images of US helicopter killing Iraqis
Tue May 04 2004 08:59:08 ET

French cable television station Canal Plus on Tuesday will broadcast images, stolen in Iraq, of a US army helicopter killing three Iraqis who do not appear to be posing any threat, one of whom was wounded.

The show "Merci pour l'info" (Thanks for the news) obtained the footage, seen by an AFP correspondent, from a "European working as a subcontractor for the US army" who left Iraq two weeks ago.

The man claims to have hidden the tape, dated December 1, 2003 and filmed at an unidentified location in Iraq, at the US base where he lived and worked.

The three-and-a-half minutes of footage were taken from the helicopter firing at the three individuals, who were considered by the US military to be suspicious.

Conversations between the helicopter pilot, the sharpshooter and their commanding officer -- who had a video link and is giving orders in real time -- can be heard on the tape.

The footage shows how the three men were killed one after the other. After the deaths of his two companions, the third attempted to hide under a truck, but was hit by helicopter gunfire.

"Got the guy right here," says the sharpshooter, as the wounded man is seen crawling on the ground.

"Good. Fire. Hit him," replies the officer.

In March, the rights watchdog group Amnesty International said "scores of civilians have been killed apparently as a result of excessive use of force by US troops, or have been shot dead in disputed circumstances."

The broadcast also comes as the United States confronts mounting anger over the alleged abuse of coalition prisoners in Iraq and the release of photos showing US troops humiliating Iraqi detainees.

Robust!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9051847)

Just you wait until it crashes one day, like 2 of our 3 have. On both the drive controller failed and trashed the drives. Not a pleasant experience I can tell you.

While this is a new model, I hope they improve the robustness, otherwise other people will just go out and buy OTS Dells like we have. I'd just like to add that the Dells have given us no problems whatsoever.

Re:SNAP (1)

whiteranger99x (235024) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052124)

Oh HOW I second that. I used to work for a place that used the 40GB models, which primarily stored image files used to image PCs on the field, and download client files to transport between sites. Being relatively entry level to the IT field, I was VERY thankful that I could use one of these instead of having to carry around various Image CD's or *gasp* having to download client files on floppies X(

On that note, I want one of my own! :P

These things really are quite convenient (1)

Meat Blaster (578650) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051598)

For one thing, you can add network storage without having to dismantle a fileserver or purchase a new one. Also, setup is a breeze, and it looks seamless to the end user.

Being able to swap it out is also helpful should problems arise.

Re:These things really are quite convenient (1)

daksis (163887) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051741)

I'm really curious how the value proposition of NAS appliance is going to hold up. Sure you have the integrated plug and play box - etc. etc. But You can get 300GB of HD space for under $250 [] Throw in last years hot PC that you got for cheap - and you've got yourself a pretty nice file server - that's probably under $1500 for 0.6TB of mirrored storage - no matter what OS you're using.

Q: Are there any distros with the express intent of building NAS type boxes? A sort of "Knoppix NAS" could be a really neat project.

Re:These things really are quite convenient (1)

RetroGeek (206522) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051965)

last years hot PC that you got for cheap - and you've got yourself a pretty nice file server,/i>

In your home, or a small business maybe. But try running several hundred people, post offices, etc on such a box and you quickly see why companies spend a LOT of money on servers, backups, storage, and admins. Oh did I mention 24/7 uptime? Fail-over, redundancy, clustering are all used to keep the "lights on".

Enterprise level servers are not toys.

80 GB (4, Insightful)

wpiman (739077) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051604)

80 GB doesn't seem like very much today.

I have a Ximeta [] 250GB Netdisk and it works great for me. Sure it is not NFS and requires its own drivers- but it works for me.

Re:80 GB (2, Interesting)

k2dbk (724898) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051765)

You're right, 80GB isn't that much, but this kind of device actually works pretty well for internal software distribution with corporations. The firm that I work for has around 30,000 employees, and we use a whole bucketload of these dispersed in various locations. Since the type of information we keep on them is primarily run-of-the-mill corporate applications (both commercially developed and internally developed), the size works out to be a non-issue, and they have the advantage that we can configure them centrally and just send them out. If one breaks, we swap it out and send another one overnight. (I think in some cases, we have on-site "hot spares", precisely because they are so cheap.)

Of course, YMMV, and this isn't exactly cost-effective if all you need to do is to add another 80 or 120 Gb to a small LAN.

Re:80 GB (1)

sinergy (88242) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052021)

I've heard they crash when commercial security scans are run against them. How does a large corporation deal with the security issues?

Re:80 GB (1)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052048)

How about another kind of distribution? Multiple NAS modules on a campus, at different locations. If you have a fire, you only lose one box. Maybe two.

As opposed to having your NOC wiped out. (Though that should be extremely in a well-worked-out setup, anyway.)

we use a snap server at my work (4, Informative)

Squeezer (132342) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051614)

we use a snap server at my work (sorry I don't remember which model off hand) but it was very easy to setup. It runs a custom version of liunx, and you can ssh to it. We already have a samba server but needed more space for a few people. So I edited the snap's smb.conf and added passwd server = archives1 and used the snap server's adduser script to create the users we needed, and the users use \\snapserver\username in windows to access their home directories to store more files. They use their username and passwd from archives1, so I didn't have to add them to samba on the snap server. very cool

Re:we use a snap server at my work (1)

Mateito (746185) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051939)

> It runs a custom version of liunx

Well, that preempts the "but does it run Linux?" posts.

Re:we use a snap server at my work (2, Informative)

jea6 (117959) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051978)

Must be a newer model. We have a 2000 running 3.4.772 (US) and it does not have SSH capabilities.

ooooh nice! (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9051619)

An advertisement for a second rate hardware disguised as a Slashdot article! What a brilliant and original idea! *roofle poofle*

Does it support SMB ACL"s? (5, Informative)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051622)

Their older produdcts didnt do this.. and made it a royal pain to manage.

Getting more common (5, Insightful)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051625)

This Slashvertisement brought to you by Snap Appliance, makers of fine SOHO NAS devices. When you are ready to deplot a SOHO NAS solution, Snap your fingers and head on over to one of our quality resellers for information about how you could own your very own Snap NAS Appliance. For a limited time, buy 4 NAS appliances and get the fifth one for just one penny!

Re:Getting more common (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9051655)

ha ha beat you to it! []

*roofle poofle*

Re:Getting more common (1)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051663)

When you are ready to deplot

Damnit, deploy, not deplot. :-)

Re:Getting more common (1)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051804)

Don't worry, the user that submitted this has just slashdotted their own server. You have to love poetic justice >:-)

Re:Getting more common (1)

TheTomcat (53158) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051991)

I coined the term "Slashola" on 2004-Mar-24 here [] (check the URL).

I think it flows better than "Slashvertisement", but that's MHO.


What are you going to do with it? (0)

thedillybar (677116) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051629)

Looks good and all, but what are you actually going to do with this thing?

If you actually need more storage, you'll buy a harddisk.
This thing may be (somewhat) portable, but I rarely carry anything around that won't fit on a 256mb USB drive. Not to mention a DVD.

Anyone have a (moderately) good reason to need (or want) one of these?

Disclaimer: No, I'm not waiting 2 minutes for each of 7 pages to load so I can RTFA. The first page was more than enough for me.

Re:What are you going to do with it? (1)

spune (715782) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051800)

Distribute warez by jumping from network to network? Or maybe use it as a sort of bridging point between a windows network and a linux network? Or if one needs to steal corporate data -- fast? Or to set up a local server without having it be a pain in the neck?

Re:What are you going to do with it? (1)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051856)

I'm happy to leave my main computer on all the time meaning that I don't need to have all my movies and music mirrored onto all the machines on my network, but in an environment where a full machine running 24/7 is undesirable it'd be a waste of space and effort keeping 80GB of files synched on even my little 3 machine network, so for a large home network or small business centralised storage is a good idea.

Re:What are you going to do with it? (2, Informative)

michrech (468134) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051884)

You miss the point. These aren't for transporting large amounts of data from one place to another (though that ceritanly is one use for them). They are meant to be put in place to add storage to a network where it's needed instead of taking down a file server. Of course, there are situations where even this isn't as good an option as just adding more space to a server, but, that's neither here nor there..

Re:What are you going to do with it? (1)

dave420 (699308) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052060)

The clue is in the name:

network attached storage

You add it to your network, so users can store their files on it. You can add it without ripping a machine open, and it doesn't require space in a fileserver. It's installed in minutes, and if a fault occurs can be removed in seconds.

I take it you don't administer a network :-P

Snap Webserver (2, Funny)

holzp (87423) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051630)

Note to BigBruin: review a Snap Webserver next. Thanks Slashdot!

Re:Snap Webserver (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9051678)

Oh Snap!

rtfa... (4, Funny)

sevensharpnine (231974) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051631)

from the ask-me-again-when-you-have-a-250-gig-version dept.

From the article:

Key Features:

250GB, 160GB, or 80GB Capacities (reviewed item has 80GB capacity)

I guess I shouldn't fault Taco here. I'm sure he's busy fending off job offers from the Times, Post, WSJ, etc.

Re:rtfa... (1)

caffeinex36 (608768) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051783)

I can assure you hes not fighting off any from WSJ ;)

excellent (4, Informative)

spune (715782) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051633)

I think we need to see more of this sort of thing. Not only do network drives allow for easy transferring of data, but having a drive that can be easily moved from network to network has vast possibilities. Albeit, many of those possibilities lie in the realm of warez... is the company's website -- one might get more info out of it than the listed source. I visited as soon as the link went up and it was a slow load.

Had one of these (0, Troll)

rkz (667993) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051636)

I actually purchaced one of these last month to have a network accessable drive where I could store all my DIVX ^W, *cough* linux isos.

While the throughout [] is not as great (I can get 10mb a sec) as my firewire setup where I get closer to 20mb per sec.

I can live with that because all the computers in my home network can access the files and it is adequate for streaming live videos.

The only problem is that after using it for a few it weeks it slowed down to a crawl, it does not contain any chkdsk style utils either so I didn't know if it was suffering from corruption. So I took it back to bestbuy and they said they could not refund me but insead would sent it for repail. To snap's credit they got it back to me in less than a week - fixed and with a small apology note. Great service but it had a few scratches on it that were not there befoere so I contacted them to complain and they blamed me for the scratches and remained adamant they they were not at fault.

Re:Had one of these (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9051694)

Get ready for more problems.

I bought two of their higher end units about 18 months ago.

Fortunately one arrived DOA and the other didn't support NFS features I needed; so I was able to get out from under both of them.

Excel Meridian makes a good box; including failover and sync to redundant unit; better cooling and shell access to the OS.

seamlessly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9051640)

isnt that a tired marketing analogy?

what does it mean anyway, if anything?


are there still any devices made with "seams"?

wow, nothing! (1)

GoNINzo (32266) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051642)

Yeah, that sure is a great review. Maybe you should look into reviewing web servers next...

Anyone get a copy before the server imploded?

Re:wow, nothing! (0)

GoNINzo (32266) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051691)

What is in the box? Nothing! YOU SO STUPID!

Not for the Adventurous (2, Interesting)

calix (73098) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051648)

The SnapServer is a pretty cool concept - we use several here at the office for NAS-only, and they work quite well and are a, well, snap to set up. For the home user? You might think so... or not. You can get an open-source server on a nice PC platform running Linux for under $200. Don't believe me? Check out Rob's column [] in Computer Power User (CPU). No intentional karma whoring going on here. I'm getting underway in doing my own little X-Box/NAS/Media Server project [] as soon as the parts come in...

Please.... (4, Insightful)

Fizzlewhiff (256410) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051651)

Why do so many reviewers feel the need to photograph shipping boxes and packaging materials? Are you reviewing the product or the shipping department?

Re:Please.... (2, Insightful)

imidazole2 (776413) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051760)

Short answer - yes. The shipping department is sometimes almost as important as the product. It lets you know if you're likely to get the product in one piece. it lets you know if you'll end up with moving parts that... arent supposed to be moving. Apple's laptops, for example. Check out the packaging on those. My guess is the boxes and all will withstand a 20ft drop and the laptop will still arrive in pristine working appearance.

what a web designer! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9051654)

i don't know if its just a galeon thing, the page loaded too slow for me to care trying it more then once. black text on a black background! who came up with that design? that rocks! security through obscurity... but does the marketting hype need to be secured like that?

5 minutes? (2)

SkunkPussy (85271) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051662)

In 5 minutes, I can add an 80GB HDD into a server. and power it up.

Re:5 minutes? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9051819)

well aren't you just Mr. Fantistic

Re:5 minutes? (1)

dave420 (699308) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052115)

Can you add it while the server is on? Can you remove it again, while the server is on?

This is supposed to make it easier to install a drive, not replace internal storage. It's machine-independent, so you don't have to worry about putting it on a slow machine that's processing paycheques or anything.

It's like people who argue against bluetooth because we have WLAN - they're both for different purposes, and those not appreciating those differences slam the supposedly-weaker technology into the ground.

Cost is my question. (1)

El Pollo Loco (562236) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051664)

How much does this cost? The site is loading very slowly. According to snaps website, you can get 80, 160, or 250 gigs of storage, for as little as 4/gig. Even assuming you can that price for the 80, that's $320 bucks for that. Why would you do that? 80 gigs isn't much, when most dells are coming with at least 40 gigs by default now. So to any people who've used this, or will use this, can you tell me why?

Re:Cost is my question. (4, Insightful)

tuffy (10202) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051772)

Even assuming you can that price for the 80, that's $320 bucks for that. Why would you do that? 80 gigs isn't much, when most dells are coming with at least 40 gigs by default now. So to any people who've used this, or will use this, can you tell me why?

You're paying for a preconfigured, RAID-capable, networked storage device that requires one switch to turn on and is fully administered from a webpage. That means convenience, low power consuption and a small footprint. For some people, those factors are more important than pure size.

Re:Cost is my question. (2, Interesting)

bhima (46039) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051782)

Exactly for that price I want a 4 or 5 place Raid enclosure with a 250 gig SATA drive intslled. Like someone else said "If I only wanted 80 gigs I just add another drive"

Oh my god (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9051667)

Best second post, ever.

Do you ever get the feeling (0, Offtopic)

BrodyVess (455213) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051668)

That submissions are often accepted based on the user account they're submitted from?

Re:Do you ever get the feeling (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052052)

Yes. [] You'll notice that prostoalex and Michael Sims are quite "cuddly" in real life.

Where's Kevin Eubanks when we need him? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9051674)

Awwwww.......... SNAP!

An Open Letter To All Future Small Time Reviewers (5, Funny)

ticklemeozmo (595926) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051681)

Dear Small Time Reviewer,

As you get too big for your britches and feel the need to post your 2-bit "review" (read: advertisement) on slashdot so you can get click-throughs and display money, please, for the love of God and all the 1s and 0s, use a reliable hosting company, and not your own l33t site off of your cable modem. When a story doesn't even have a post yet, and you are slashdotted, its time to seriously re-evaluate your how large you thought you were.

(on behalf of the slashdot community)

I have a stupid question... (2, Interesting)

ErisCalmsme (212887) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051683)

A NAS device like this is made to work with any type of network protocols... but how could it work with a network that has a windows, mac, netware, and linux stuff all happening at once? I mean is this even possible? Aside from acting as a web/ftp server? I don't know why anyone would ever want to have all those things mixed into one network anyway, but what if?

Re:I have a stupid question... (2, Interesting)

Chibi Merrow (226057) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051750)

Well Snap 2200s and 1100s (only ones I have experience with) support SMB network shares, which Linux/Mac/Windows can connect to, as well as exporting the filesystem as an NFS share (Linux/UNIX/Mac), as well as supporting the AppleTalk network protocol (God knows why) and the list goes on... Oh, it also can support NetWare clients by using a Novell server to handle security. Or an NT or Active Directory domain, for that matter.
And there still is that whole web/FTP server thing as well...

Re:I have a stupid question... (1)

ErisCalmsme (212887) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051805)

Ok so basically since it's running a custom version of linux, it can support anything that the linux kernel has support for (which is a lot, last I checked during make menuconfig ;)). Pretty neat!

Re:I have a stupid question... (2, Informative)

Chibi Merrow (226057) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051879)

Actually it's running GuardianOS which seems to be a custom version of the BSD kernel. Unfortunately it only really supports whatever the OS image you download from them supports. Some of the fancier more expensive models you can access through SSH and theoretically install software on, but that's it.

Re:I have a stupid question... (1)

ErisCalmsme (212887) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051908)

Very interesting! Thanks!

Re:I have a stupid question... (1)

DylanQuixote (538987) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051759)

SMB for Windows (and netware?), NFS or SMB for Linux.

Re:I have a stupid question... (1)

Donny Smith (567043) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051792)

It can work in the sense that same files can be exported/shared via different protocols, but due to different ways how these protocols do locking and caching, it's not recommended (in theory it's possible that files would get corrupt).

BTW, I find this posting really stupid - what's the big deal?
It takes 5 minutes to setup? Adding a 250GB HDD to existing Windows or Linux server also takes five minutes and it can be done and at a lower price.
Windows OS with free SFU add on can share files to Windows, Linux (smb or NFS), UNIX (NFS), Macs (smb or NFS). And with AD you don't have to fsck with accounts and permissions.
Linux, of course, can do the same. With NIS or winbind configuration you don't have to mess with accounts either, plus you can add this new HDD to a logical volume instead of creating yet another file share on the network.

Re:I have a stupid question... (2, Informative)

Chibi Merrow (226057) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052024)

You don't understand the target market for this thing. It's designed to be a zero-administration storage solution for small office/workgroup situations. You plug it in and forget it exists; NOT something you can do with even a Linux server. It also does support NetWare/NT/AD for handling logins. You're thinking about an Enterprise level solution for a Workgroup problem.

Case in point - We have a remote office that's about ten miles or so outside of city limits. Way out in the boonies. There's about 6-8 users there at any time, max, and until just recently they had no connectivity back to City Hall. (Recently got Cable Modem VPN running...) How would adding a HD to our fileserver in City Hall help them? It wouldn't. Would it make sense to buy a proper server for a six person workgroup? Hell no. So we stick a SNAP server on their network. Then we forget about it. 80GB of storage is more than they'll ever need. We have quite a few offices like that one, with SNAP servers of varying sizes (the guys doing a lot of AutoCAD need a bit more than 80GB) and they're all better served by having a little SNAP in their wiring closet than us setting up a server that requires maintenance.

Re:I have a stupid question... (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051911)

Yes, you do.

Re:I have a stupid question... (1)

dave420 (699308) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052153)

SMB, my friend :)

With the latest versions of Samba and OSX, you can get practically anything talking to anything. Samba 3 even supports becoming an active directory controller (as well as logging on to one, and sharing file permissions).

It's reeeally easy to get linux/windows/osx on a network talking to each other easily. It's when you want macs with OS9 on the network that things go horribly wrong very fast. Everyone else plays together nicely :)

If the snap server runs linux, which I believe it does, and as long as that machine has winbind, kerberos and samba v3+, it can participate on corporate domains seamlessly.

It's things like that which makes linux as powerful as it is, not the latest office clone or eye-candy.

SNAP Experiences (5, Interesting)

Chibi Merrow (226057) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051690)

We've been using SNAP servers for a while now at work... Mostly pretty good experiences to report. The little boxes run some BSD derivative, support SMB/NFS/FTP/WWW/etc access to the files stored on them, and some can even run Java Servlets. They can even use a NetWare or Win NT/2K Domain to handle logins and security. We normally use them for small remote offices that don't justify a full server or for storing large rarely accessed files like aerials of the parish. Much better than storing them on a few hundred CDs that have to be tracked and stored properly.
My only real complaint is backup can be annoying due to a lack of tape drive or any real backup feature on the device itself. You'll have to write some scripts or make use of an external package on another machine to get some sort of backup procedure going.
They seem to use normal IDE drives, so they WILL eventually fail. However, Snap Appliance went ahead and replaced one of our 1100s free of charge when the drive developed errors and the software update applied incorrectly while trying to fix it. This was despite the fact that the server was no longer under warranty.
All in all, beautiful little boxen.

But why so expensive? (2, Insightful)

conway (536486) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051696)

Quick search [] on google shows its above $500 for the 80GB version, and much more for the 120GB.
Why so much? I can get a small 80GB headless desktop from parts, and install linux to give all the filesharing / print / web / ftp server for about $200. Charging an extra $300 basically for a cute case is not my idea of a breakthrough product.

They work out (4, Informative)

MC68040 (462186) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051698)

I work with several NAS appliances daily and the easiest to administrate is clearly the SNAP servers. Although we use Dell branded ones that work just as well with unix/novell/linux/mac/windows so the product discussed isn't very "unique" so to say. And it's been in the market for quite some time...

But I guess it's good for those that havn't discovered the advantages with snap's yet.

Re:They work out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9051898)

and the easiest to administrate is clearly the SNAP servers...

Administrate? Administrate?

Please tell me the meaning of the word administrate? Is that what an administrator does? If so, you may want to try "administer" or even "manage". Bet you're an MSCE...

Re:They work out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052123)

If so, you may want to try "administer" or even "manage". Bet you're an MSCE...

That's MCSE [] .

Hi. I just owned your pedantic ass. Thank you bye.

Sales sthick? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9051699)

Does this look like a cut and paste from a sales brochure to anyone else? Any particular reason this non-revolutonary product is getting a free ad?

OT: 3COM NAS (1)

rimmon (608966) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051723)

sorry for this OT posting, but this opportunity is just to good: I have a 40GB 3COM NAS (3Com Office Connect Network Storage Server) which is a great device with just one problem: 40GB is not quite enough :-)
Since it uses a normal 3,5" harddisk i'm wondering what it would take to change the HDs. I think there is a hidden partition on the disk that contains the OS for the box.
Since I have no experience with these things I would love to hear if anybody has done something like this and can give me some hints? Thanks

Re:OT: 3COM NAS (1)

SomeGuyFromCA (197979) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051837)

I have a 40GB 3COM NAS (3Com Office Connect Network Storage Server) which is a great device with just one problem: 40GB is not quite enough :-)
Since it uses a normal 3,5" harddisk i'm wondering what it would take to change the HDs. I think there is a hidden partition on the disk that contains the OS for the box.
I've been spending a bit of time hacking on a Tritton-made NAS, pulling the supplied 120 gb / 2 meg cache drive and replacing it with a 250 gb 8 meg cache drive.

First thing you should do is crack it open, pull the drive, and mount it in your local Linux box. (You *do* have a local Linux box, right? If not, the new Knoppix just came out...)

Use that to poke around the disk's partitions. If there is a hidden partition, no prob, you just have to partition the new drive similiarly and copy over the hidden one. Also note what filesystem the old drive is formatted for.

Get a scratch drive out, try formatting it in that fs, copy anything you found on the old one to the new one, pop it back in, and hope.

Man (5, Funny)

Aggrazel (13616) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051768)

Need spam filtering software for /. now ... :(

mine crashed in first week (2, Interesting)

CranberryKing (776846) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051786)

I loved the concept so I convinced my coworkers to get a 60MB number. It was cake to setup and worked well until a few days later the disk failed. Talking with tech support, they couldn't believe it but determined it was definately DEAD. No refund available, just a replacement unit. The new one has worked well since so it may have been a fluke but it doesn't matter now since nobody in the office will trust it for more than an mp3 server. Kind of dissapointing really.

What's the point? (3, Interesting)

streak (23336) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051799)

I'm wondering what's the point of such a small drive as NAS? Is it when all your machines are filled up with HDs and you can't add any more? I mean, 80GB? There are firewire drives that are more than double that size.

Am I missing some crucial point here?
I understand that to add more storage you might have to take a server down, etc.. But I guess when I see how much my company uses disk space, a 80GB anything would be filled probably within a month - seems like you would have money better spent on bigger drives.

Re:What's the point? (2, Informative)

streak (23336) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051838)

I guess it does provide a ftp/web server, but I think I could get a suitable box set up in an hour with all those things with at least triple the disk space.

Re:What's the point? (2, Insightful)

rimmon (608966) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051897)

Maybe you're don't belong to the target group? This is great for small offices with no admin: They just connect the box to their switch and that's it.
You know, there are offices that don't have a server and don't need one. They just need a small box which is easy to setup, easy to use and does everything they need: store some files.
Can you run a multinational cooperation with thousands of user of theses things? no. A company with ca. 10 persons that is not in the IT business? sure.

Slashdotted (0, Redundant)

xaoslaad (590527) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051801)

Yes boys and girls, we've learned today you should not run your website on snap appliances.

Useless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9051820)

Wake me when I can use it to store my SQL database primary files on. (without that trace flag hack)

$500 and no backup? (4, Insightful)

unfortunateson (527551) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051821)

For over $500, and $800+ for the 160GB, it seems overpriced.

For me to reach out and buy a server device like that, it's missing one thing: backup. If they included, say a DVD+/-R/RW drive, the price is still high. Is there something special about this drive? A RAID-5 hidden in that little box? Somehow, I doubt it.

Re:$500 and no backup? (3, Informative)

Chibi Merrow (226057) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052134)

Actually the 2200s and up do support RAID-5. As well as plain striping or mirroring. What's special about it is that it's a fire and forget zero administration solution for a small workgroup scenario. They also come with a great warranty, wherein I had a server replaced free of charge even though its warrant was expired (as mentioned in above post).
The whole idea is you're paying for a solution you can install and forget about. Can't say the same about full blown fileservers.

SnapServers are great! (3, Insightful)

franknagy (56133) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051834)

I have 34 at work (2x4100s and 1 4200 plus a 2000 which has been upgraded to 240GB) plus I have bought 3 for my home (2x2000s with 240GB each plus an 1100 with a 120GB disk). They are great. Robust, reliable and easy to use from either Windows, Linux or Macintosh (either OS9 or OS X).

Re:SnapServers are great! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9051985)

> Dr. Frank J. Nagy Fermilab Computing Division Data Communications Dept Technology Group

That is so much begging for an acronym.

Gee Wally, that's super but.... (1)

smcavoy (114157) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051853)

how do I do an offsite backup of the data that I have on it.
Really, I love the idea of plugging in the device and BooMfile sharing actioning is going on. But when you need to back up the data... what do you do? Buy another one? Hope nothing bad happens to the building it's in or the device itself?
something like a usb 2.0 / firewire / scsi connection for an external tape drive or even an external HD to back it up to would be ideal. Otherwise you've got all your data in one spot, which is fine until shit happens..

Cobalt Qube? (2, Interesting)

StupaflyD (729788) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051877)

This sounds exactly the Cobalt Qube [discontinued] device from ages ago. The company was eventually purchased by Sun. This device had __ GB storage, a web server, email, FTP, etc... All in a cube about 8"x8"x8"
[link to user manual] manuals/manual.qube3.pdf

Empty NAS? (2, Interesting)

Erwos (553607) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051887)

I was wondering if anyone knew of any (relatively) cheap NAS solutions which came _without_ an IDE hard drive? That is to say, so I could install a hard drive of my choosing. No need for features except for SMB and NFS support, either.

My fiance and I are getting married in Feb, and I'm trying my best to hunt down print servers and network storage so we can combine our network in a sane fashion. The print server is already taken care of for the LaserJet 6L, but we have no decent network storage solution for my external hard drive. (also have no solution for her crappy HP color inkjet, but it'll probably break before we get hitched anyways *grabs a hammer*).


Oerfect for an open project ? NAS storage ? (3, Interesting)

amix (226257) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051893)

To me this seems like the ideal candidate for a community-built project. More and more of us utilize servers at home and sometimes it might be just better to attach external storage-subsystems than building newer and bigger computers.

When I built my HomeServer the first option I was investigating was to modularize everything. However I had to discover, that this is not a good position: The stuff on the market just did not fit my needs: To expensive. Too "smallish". Too "touch-the-market" of AOL users. So I ended up with a ATX VIA board and a C3 Nehemiah CPU with a 3ch ICP Vortex S-ATA controller, a 2nd NIC and WLAN card.

However, I wonder, why the community does not create some own inventions, custom-tailored for private users and, most importantly, not limited in possibilites, due to fear of support-problems with AOL users.

A community built NAS could consits of a small embedded computer, with onboard hardware RAID own cache (min. 4ch S-ATA) and come with a good case. Cases have been built by the community. Embedded systerms also. So, why not ? :-)

Best would be to offer the board and driver/software and let customers build their own beast. Maybe with syste-boards, that can be combined to offer more power.

Anyone ? :-D

Are there open source hardware projects? (1)

dowobeha (581813) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051938)

This brings up a good point. Are there open source hardware projects out there?

There are lots of software engineers working on free (as in speech) software projects. Are also computer engineers working on free (as in speech) hardware projects?

Snap 80 (3, Insightful)

HancockDC (148897) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051930)

I have used these for a few years with very few problems. A couple caveats:
  • They are a single drive. If your are storing really important data, spend twice as much and get a 4 drive system configured as RAID 5.
  • You are paying extra for ftp, httpd, netbios, etcetera. If you are just mounting it on a local computer, then get yourself and external drive such as a 160 GB Western Digital and save about 66%.

Backup anyone? (2, Insightful)

tliet (167733) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051966)

It's all fine and well, a closed box that can be tucked away to forget about it. But how about backup of these things? When it goes poof, it can take up to 250 gigabytes of data into it's grave.

I've never understood these things. Buy a FireWire or USB disk, but don't connect one of these things to the network.

New slogan.. (3, Informative)

schon (31600) | more than 10 years ago | (#9051998)

My only experience with this is bad - SNAP uses two regular IDE drives, in RAID-0... A customer bought one, and one of the drives died.. I suggest a new slogan:

"Twice the storage, half the reliability!"

do they still have the case insensitive bug? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052043)

Snap has (had) one of the dumbest freakin' filesystem bugs (they call it a feature) -- PARTIAL support of case sensitive filenames. The rules as I remember them are:

1) you may create files with caps in the names
1a) listing the directory contents shows caps
2) you may access those in a caps independent fashion -- case is completely ignored.
3) if you create a file without caps it overwrites the one with caps and vice versa
3a) directory listing still shows case of the original file even though the new file had no caps in the name.

I wouldn't be upset if they said flatly "no caps" or allowed a setting to ignore caps.
I would be happy if they respected the caps.
I reject their claim that half-way respecting caps is a in any sense a good thing.

Now some will say "you need to have your filenames mean something" so they don't over lap. Consider this: say you have a script that makes a temp file name a.img. Now after some transmogrification a file A.img is derived from a.img. This is convenient so temp filenames are short yet self consistently named. Thanks to SNAP A.img overwrites a.img.

This doesn't even go into the possibilities of over-writing files because you didn't see the directory listing for the same file only with some different case letters.

SNAP and Solaris (1)

Figec (20690) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052073)

Overall, we like our SNAP server. However, we have issues getting it to NFS serve a Solaris client. So much so, we gave up after an hour or so of trying. Buyer Beware.

Right-- but how do we make a beowulf out of these? (1)

Spyder (15137) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052082)

Alright, big whatever on the widget and it's intended purpose. What does it take to load it up with debian, and use it as a little linux box? The reason I'd get on is to set up a little linux dev box for doing little stuff on my home network, so I can finally kill my old desktop. If the artical would have been a "This is how we hacked it" kind of thing, it might have been useful.

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