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Mac OS X 10.4 "Tiger" Preview at WWDC

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the isn't-that-special dept.

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hype7 writes "Apple just announced that it will kick off WWDC 2004 with a preview of the next iteration of Apple's operating system, Mac OS X, in a Steve Jobs keynote. This version of Mac OS X, 10.4, has been code named 'Tiger.' As usual, Apple is being incredibly tight lipped about what's going to be added; there hasn't even been that much speculation of new features on the rumor sites. WWDC is scheduled to begin on the 28th of June."

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CowboyNeal confirms, Apple is dying! (-1, Troll)

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Re:CowboyNeal confirms, Apple is dying! (0, Offtopic)

pagluy (651141) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052492)

HAHAHA

cats? (4, Funny)

metallikop (649953) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052427)

I think Steve has a thing for large cats. Whatever happened to the rest of the animal kingdom?

Re:cats? (-1, Offtopic)

psyklopz (412711) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052464)

He's giving us a subtle hint...

katz: all your base are belong to us

Re:cats? (5, Funny)

Reorax (629666) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052519)

The next one is probably Lynx. It goes well with their new eMacs.

Re:cats? (0, Funny)

Netzapper (776857) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052696)

The next one is probably Lynx...

They're naming their OS after a text-only web browser?

If this is not the first post... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052430)

...I will shave my ass and nutsack with a belt sander.

As always, links to video will be posted.

Re:If this is not the first post... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052483)

Of all things *do not* post that up to slashdot!

Those of us with a sadistic curiosity may never recover.

Yeah! (5, Insightful)

cuijian (110696) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052437)

Apple is on a roll! From Cnet:

http://news.com.com/2100-1045_3-5205185.html?tag =n efd.top

If Tiger goes on sale this year, it would mark the company's fifth version of Mac OS X in five years. In the same period, Microsoft has released one major version of Windows--XP--along with various updates. Longhorn, the next major release of Windows, is not expected until the middle of 2006, at the earliest.

Re:Yeah! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052460)

again making apple cost more them a winpc, even if you don't have to update the hardware.

Re:Yeah! (5, Informative)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052578)

ummm no one said you HAD to upgrade the software... they are still supporting Jag in system updates. This is just ment for those of us who like to have the most up to date system possible, for the last 3 upgrades the major upgrades have offered at least 40 improvments and additions over the previous OS, and we are not talking bug fixes but ACTUAL software.

better yet I would rather fork out 120 (I actually pay the student fee so its less) than pay 50 here for something and 50 there for another package just to buy third party products because it takes 6 years for Windows to develop a new OS or update its current one (critical patches DONT count as adding usability)

Re:Yeah! (4, Funny)

anocelot (657966) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052658)

(critical patches DONT count as adding usability)
...except when they stop the computer from crashing every few minutes...

A.W.E.S.O.,M - O Says 'lame article' (0, Flamebait)

FatSean (18753) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052511)

A point upgrade is a 'version' now? Heh...pretty stupid. I'd say these OSX releases are like Windows Service Packs...only Apple charges you

Re:A.W.E.S.O.,M - O Says 'lame article' (1)

The Analog Kid (565327) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052596)

The point releases Apple makes you pay for are actually worth it, they come with a hell of a lot of improvements that I would never expect Microsoft to have in Windows SP or actually in the release of a whole new version of Windows.

Re:A.W.E.S.O.,M - O Says 'lame article' (2, Interesting)

Paulrothrock (685079) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052687)

I agree. Expose alone was worth the cost of upgrading because it's enhanced my productivity.

Re:A.W.E.S.O.,M - O Says 'lame article' (4, Insightful)

Alan (347) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052691)

Standard Mac Reply(tm).
"But you get more with a new version of OS/x than you do a windows service pack."

And as a relatively new mac user coming from a windows/linux background, it's true. You get the same updates as you do via windows update for security fixes, etc etc. Most windows service packs however (with the exception of the upcoming xpsp2 that is) are essencially the previous bug fixes all rolled into one.

Contrasting this, the incremental updates for MacOS (10.2, 10.3) are more than hotfixes but less than a completely new os. Generally they contain new apps, improvements in existing apps (not just performance or bug fixes either) such as the new 'find as you type', expose, ichat, etc.

That said, I'd love to see the *real* next gen apple offerings, ie: OS 11, as the "new" OSs that have come out in the os 10 line have really been evolutionary, not revolutionary, as longhorn promises to be. Of course, redmond is making a lot of promises about longhorn, and it's a "I'll believe it when I see it" situation for me.

Re:Yeah! (-1, Troll)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052588)

If Tiger goes on sale this year, it would mark the company's fifth version of Mac OS X in five years. In the same period, Microsoft has released one major version of Windows--XP--along with various updates. Longhorn, the next major release of Windows, is not expected until the middle of 2006, at the earliest.

And that's a good thing? Apple is charging for upgrades that should be patches or downloadable addons.

Re:Yeah! (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052640)

um no, they are charging for added usability patches and addons have always been free, just look at software update. they are charging for things the previous software did NOT have like Rendevouz.

Re:Yeah! (1)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052683)

No, because they're upgrades, not just patches. Really. If Microsoft were capable of making real, substantial improvements to the OS at the same speed as Apple, they'd be releasing (and charging for) full-scale updates just as often.

Re:Yeah! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052590)

Why does not Tiger simply devour Longhorn?

Re:Yeah! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052609)

This is somehow a "good" thing? Sounds like a serious ripoff engine to me. Of course, when people enjoy being ripped off... who's to judge?

Re:Yeah! (3, Informative)

CelticLo (575344) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052668)

errr
Windows 2000
Windows XP
Windows Server 2003
All released in the last five years.

Then theres the free service packs...

Re:Yeah! (0, Flamebait)

slash-tard (689130) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052685)

How much did XP service pack 1 cost?

How much is XP service pack 2 going to cost?

You had to pay to be a beta tester for 10.0. Even hard core zealots admit it wasnt ready for release. You then had to pay for service pack 10.1, 10.2, and 10.3.

I dont think thats anything to brag about, and I have a mac.

Prices wrong (3, Informative)

DamienMcKenna (181101) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052745)

10.0 was available for free from CompUSA stores, possibly others too. 10.1 was a free upgrade. 10.3 is available for about $90 if you search on froogle.

Re:Yeah! (5, Insightful)

Smitty825 (114634) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052695)

I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not. It's nice to get new features every year, plus other benefits (more optimized kernel, etc), but each of these releases costs $129! A quick look through Apple's OS X site reveals no details on how long the OS will be supported.

IIRC, Windows XP Pro costs $199 (for an upgrade), and has been fully supported for those five years, plus MS does have a fairly straight forword support policy for their older OS's.

(Note: I'm not trying to argue the relative merits of each OS, but just to point out that 5 releases in 5 years might not be a good thing)

WOW (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052444)

I hope there is going to be as much improvement in 10.3 -> 10.4 that we saw when Panther was released !

--Ben
mox@NOSPANmox.ca

And as usual... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052448)

And as usual they will charge 129.99 for an upgrade. Maybe OS updates should be a subscription thing?

Re:And as usual... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052507)

They are, just not release upgrades.
Do people whine when a car company releases a new car yearly? No, they just don't buy a new car every year.

What? (3, Insightful)

Allen Zadr (767458) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052638)

"Do people whine when a car company releases a new car yearly? No, they just don't buy a new car every year."

What people do you know that buy a new car every year? Personally, I'm sick of this analogy. Software can be added to an existing computer - that's what computers do. To charge a large price for an upgrade that you really will need to get, is wholly wrong.

There are hundreds of software packages now that only run on 10.3 and higher. The same will be true for 10.4. There are certainly no "new roads" that my car can't drive on. And if there are, they certainly won't fully switch-over for at least 20 years (not 9 to 18 months like Apple expects).

Re:What? (4, Insightful)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052742)

You don't have to buy the latest version of OS X. I have an older Mac that's still running Jaguar, and it's fine, it works great, it runs all the latest software, and Apple are still releasing software updates for it, including the all important security patches.

Panther was such a radical step from Jaguar it was well worth plonking money down for. It was a vast improvement, much more dramatic than, say, the Windows 95 to 98 step, which nobody complained about paying for.

And FWIW, yes, software can be added to an existing computer and is cheaper than a car. That's why a car costs around $10,000-40,000, and a copy of OS X costs $129. I'm sure you'll agree that the cost of OS X isn't even in the same ballpark as that of a car.

Re:And as usual... (4, Informative)

grahamlee (522375) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052585)

They do for the Server [apple.com] editions; I'm not sure it makes so much sense for the clients but if they get enough people asking then I'm sure that they will. The fact is it's possible to get away with an earlier edition (I'm using OS X Server 1.2, Rhapsody DR2, 10.2 Jaguar and NeXTSTEP 3.3 :-) but that many - not all, but a significant minority - of Mac users will upgrade at the drop of a hat. One problem is that often the newer versions aren't binary or library compatible with the old versions, so if a developer upgrades to 10.4 and forgets to click the 'GCC 2.95' box in XCode then their software won't work on previous versions :-(.

Re:And as usual... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052634)

Subscription = forced. Apple isn't forcing anyone to update, unlike Red Hat.

Re:And as usual... (-1, Troll)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052744)

as usual your a fucking idiot.

Windows XP was windows NT 5.1
windows 2000 was windows NT 5.0

MS charged 250 bucks for XP, and they did not have half the feature additions that each OS X major releases does.

Changes in 10.4? (-1, Redundant)

DamienMcKenna (181101) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052451)

Anyone know what the changes will be in 10.4?

Damien

Re:Changes in 10.4? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052516)

- Easier to use
- Faster internet
- Brighter colours
- Fruitier appearance
- More gay appeal
- Longer up-time
- Harder to crack

Re:Changes in 10.4? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052571)

Damn, most people don't read the article...

You didn't even read the post:

As usual, Apple is being incredibly tight lipped about what's going to be added; there hasn't even been that much speculation of new features on the rumor sites.

Yet another Apple upgrade. (-1, Flamebait)

Kenja (541830) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052458)

What ever is in it, I'm sure that it will cost around 200$ to upgrade and still wont have everything that they said would be in version 10. But maybe I'm just an embittered ex Apple developer.

Re:Yet another Apple upgrade. (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052494)

maybe you are since none of apples upgrades have cost 200 dollars and just about ever upgrade had the support Apple promiced, they might have beta tested other things in the OS that people leaked, but apple never said it was going to do those things in the revision of the OS.

Re:Yet another Apple upgrade. (0, Troll)

Kenja (541830) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052517)

"maybe you are since none of apples upgrades have cost 200 dollars and just about ever upgrade had the support Apple promiced, they might have beta tested other things in the OS that people leaked, but apple never said it was going to do those things in the revision of the OS."

To me 199$ is as close to 200$ as you can get. As for the rest, last I checked they STILL didn't have full support for the iMac, much less older G3s. That was prommised at the MacOS X release.

Re:Yet another Apple upgrade. (4, Informative)

abh (22332) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052521)

none of apples upgrades have cost 200 dollars

Um, neither have Microsoft's upgrades. And by my math, multiple $99 or $129 Apple upgrades are going to cost more than one $99 or $129 Microsoft upgrade

Re:Yet another Apple upgrade. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052617)

And with Windows you at least get the extra popups, popunders and the worms :)

Don't forget about (1)

IAmAMacOSXAddict (718470) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052641)

The 70,000 Viruses for WinBlows... For MacOSX ZERO...

Re:Yet another Apple upgrade. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052707)

You don't pay the full price for an upgrade. If you purchased an Mac withing about a year of when 10.3 was released the upgrade was like $20. And even paying for the full install OSX is still cheaper than Windows.

Re:Yet another Apple upgrade. (3, Informative)

justMichael (606509) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052515)

What ever is in it, I'm sure that it will cost around 200$ to upgrade and still wont have everything that they said would be in version 10. But maybe I'm just an embittered ex Apple developer.
I think you mean around $130, unless you are buying the family pack. Or maybe the exchange rate is pushing it up to $200?

To the best of my knowledge the cost has remained a constant $129 USD.

What's improved? (3, Insightful)

LittleLebowskiUrbanA (619114) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052466)

All I can think of is better browsing of Windows/Samba networks. That's it. Panther does everything I need it to do and quietly and competently.

Re:What's improved? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052545)

Just a simple 'refresh' button would be enough for me.. or am I so ignorant? SMB mounts don't seem to be refreshed automatically in the Finder and it caches the directory listings too.

Re:What's improved? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052693)

not good enough for me.... i'd like panther, like jaguar before it, to stop freezing and wacking out the finder every goddamn time there's a hiccup on the LAN connect with my housemate's winxp box. even if it's windows' fault, it should not have such severe, irritating-as-hell consequences for my mac. that's just lame.

everything else is fantastic, but the smb thing really sucks ass. WHY?

Re:What's improved? (5, Interesting)

SewersOfRivendell (646620) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052679)

Come on, you're not even trying. A decent, powerful, extensible Finder replacement (cf PathFinder)? A more flexible dock for us power users (DragThing is invaluable, but there's no way to replace the Dock itself for things like notifications, icon updates, minimized windows)? Ability to "check out" home directories from a server? Polishing more of the rough edges off Xcode and the other bundled apps? More consistent UI (eliminate -- or make universal -- the metal abomination)? A universal metadata layer so that everyone can -- for example -- easily and simply access iPhoto and iTunes attributes on files? A Cocoa component architecture for sharing third-party Cocoa views? Garbage collection for Cocoa? Support for PDF annotations in Preview?

Troll Posts asside, Apple seems stupid here... (0, Interesting)

Allen Zadr (767458) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052471)

Isn't this starting to feel to many Mac users like an upgrade roller-coaster?

Personally, I'd be very pissed off if I had shelled out for a previous upgrade. Maybe my memory is off here, but it seems like these upgrades are as bad as Windows, only with less substantial sounding version number changes.

Re:Troll Posts asside, Apple seems stupid here... (4, Insightful)

greenskyx (609089) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052524)

The reason that people aren't pissed is because each new version of OSX is a lot better than the previous version. It just keeps getting better and better.

As long as the new versions are faster and offer new and innovative features I doubt that MacOS users will care too much.

Re:Troll Posts asside, Apple seems stupid here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052552)

They are not as bad as Windows, you are referring to the updates, not the upgrades..Some point updates were not very good..Although only a small number of peeps(relatively) had problems..It's just that people will be very vocal when stuff is bad(in their opinion) and you won't hear them as much when it's allright..

Re:Troll Posts asside, Apple seems stupid here... (1)

ejeetify (668972) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052560)

Are you saying that they should opt for keeping the status quo instead of continuously trying to improve their software?

Being complacent with inferior software is reminiscent of Redmond, not Cupertino.

Re:Troll Posts asside, Apple seems stupid here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052574)

If anyone is on a rollercoaster it is Red Hat users. Apple is still pushing out security updates for Jaguar.

You don't have to upgrade if the current feature set does what you need.

Re:Troll Posts asside, Apple seems stupid here... (1)

mattkime (8466) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052582)

Isn't this starting to feel to many Mac users like an upgrade roller-coaster?

Not really, every year mac os x is getting significantly better for nearly everyone and compatibility across the various versions tends to be very good. (Yes! Apple releases security updates for 10.2!)

these upgrades are as bad as Windows

Bzzzt! Clearly, you haven't used _any_ of them!

Re:Troll Posts asside, Apple seems stupid here... (3, Insightful)

HeghmoH (13204) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052598)

It doesn't bug me at all. Nothing forces you to upgrade, after all. Imagine, you buy a computer with an OS, then a year later it's still the most current OS. Or imagine you buy a computer with an OS, then a year later a new version is released, but you don't upgrade. There is no difference between these two scenarios. They also break almost nothing, so if you do choose to upgrade it's a painless process, in the technical sense, if not the financial sense

Re:Troll Posts asside, Apple seems stupid here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052673)

Geez you dumbass! the version numbers dont change significantly because apple isn't as stupid as many other companies who have upgrades like:

5000XT now 6000XT+!

it's so that they can maintain os X (10) and now the system releases are 1,2,3 and soon 4.

Re:Troll Posts asside, Apple seems stupid here... (1, Insightful)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052689)

It's only as bad as Windows if you think:

Windows 95 in 1995
Windows 98 in 1996
Windows Me in 1997
Windows 2k in 1998
Windows XP in 1999
Windows Longhorn in 2000

So the question is: Do we want Apple to slow down? Certainly not!
Do we want to upgrade? At our leisure.
Do we want new features? Certainly!

So what's the problem?

That people don't want to upgrade? Why is that a problem. I love every single new release. If 10.4 is underwhelming, then no, I won't be using it. Otherwise... I'll shell out for it.

Cat Got Your Tounge? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052472)

So, my question is, what the heck does Apple do when they run out of large cat names for their OS? Or, are they going to start naming it after the domestic versions of our feline friends?

...I don't know...somehow "Russian Blue" just doesn't have the same kind of ring to it...

individual cat names?? Re:Cat Got Your Tounge? (1)

swschrad (312009) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052549)

warning, Apple, "Morris" is trademarked by Heinz. as the Beatles so magically wrote, don't go there. Start with Fluffy perhaps, work down through Samantha and Tabby, and maybe by the time we get to Mousebreath you will be ready for OS XI.

Re:individual cat names?? Re:Cat Got Your Tounge? (2, Funny)

Guildencrantz (234779) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052723)

Damn trademarks. I'd love to have an OS named "Mr. Bigglesworth".

~~Guildencrantz

Re:individual cat names?? Re:Cat Got Your Tounge? (1)

Mattintosh (758112) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052741)

Pay off MGM and have "Schrodinger" as version 10.8.

Re:Cat Got Your Tounge? (5, Funny)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052572)

Actually, I think an OS called "Russian Blue" would sound pretty cool. OTOH, "Tabby", "Calico", and "American Shorthair" are not exactly going to make Bill Gates tremble in awe.

I think they should branch out to other wild predators. "Yeah, well, my Mac OS 11.7 'Hyena' is going to encircle your Windows 'Longhorn' and bring it down slowly and horribly, laughing the whole time ... sucker ..."

Moving towards "Lion" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052729)

Its obvious they are moving towards "Lion" along with all of the "King of the Jungle" monikers it implies.

(Whoa Simba!)

sidebar: (0, Offtopic)

sketchkid (555690) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052482)

enough with the freaking feline names!!



actually, is there any significance to the group of names. are we supposed to know its a major OS shift when he Jobs changes it to OS Y then OS Y [insert dog breed here]??

Re:sidebar: (1)

tbone1 (309237) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052725)

The one thing I heard, and I can neither confirm nor deny this, was that 10.2 was named Jaguar because a jaguar can kill a longhorn with one bite. After that, they've kept up the cat names, and if they aren't careful, it might lead to dancing.

But I thought Micro$oft was the money grabbing SOB (1, Interesting)

Gondorian Warrior (737618) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052489)

OK,

I love my iBook, I love my Cube, but come on!

I can understand why Apple wanted to move forward quickly from the 10 to 10.1 and then to 10.2. These were all big leaps forward to add simple features back in that were missing.

But I can't see why we needed the jump from Jaguar to Panther a year later. 150 new features my arse. Expose, File vault and er er er ......

I can see NO reason to pay another 79 only a year after Panther. Ask for more, when you have a big update.

I won't buy this one.

K

Re:But I thought Micro$oft was the money grabbing (2)

subtillus (568832) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052539)

I would have paid the 100$ just for exposé.

Re:But I thought Micro$oft was the money grabbing (2, Insightful)

absurdhero (614828) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052580)

I didn't buy the last one for the same reason. This time, I'll get Tiger. If you don't like buying upgrades constantly, skip a version here and there. Its perfectly acceptable to do so. I think Apple is hoping people will buy new computers every year or so to get the latest OS and hardware as well. Many of us try to support the previous version of MacOS X by compiling our software for it so people like you and I can lag a version behind occassionally.

Re:But I thought Micro$oft was the money grabbing (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052602)

You don't even know what they're offering in this update! How do you know if it's worth it or not? Hold your horses, buster. Wait and see if you have anything to yell about.

There will be one big feature for 10.4 that will be completely necessary for a certain segment of Apple customers: full 64-bit optimization for G5 processors.

That's worth the price alone if you own a G5.

Also, you don't know what other hardware will be announced at the expo either. A portion of their hardware could be moved over to G5 as well. I can easily see iMacs getting a slightly slower G5 processor in the next upgrade. Powerbooks will be a while off, but the rumor sites are churning per usual.

Re:But I thought Micro$oft was the money grabbing (4, Insightful)

Have Blue (616) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052610)

Bear in mind that nobody outside of Apple even knew about Expose until WWDC 2003. If Steve can pull another rabbit like that out of his hat, 10.4 might turn out to be worth it after all.

running out of cats. (0, Redundant)

itsdave (105030) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052506)

when are they going to run out of cats to name their operating system after.

Re:running out of cats. (1)

Junior J. Junior III (192702) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052605)

Actually, they foresaw this and came up with the idea to switch to Street Fighter II special moves. The release of 10.5 "Hadouken" and 10.6 "Sonic Boom" will bear me out on this, just wait and see.

I may skip this one ... (5, Funny)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052508)

Mac OS point releases seem to have an even-odd curse just like Star Trek movies, only the other way around: the odd-numbered ones are much better. 10.0: unusable. 10.1: a huge improvement. 10.2: eh. 10.3: very nice. So maybe I'll wait for 10.5.

This trend goes back to at least the System 7 days, in my experience.

Re:I may skip this one ... (0, Offtopic)

El Neepo (411885) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052651)

Wrath of Khan is great and is definately much better than the Search for Spock

Re:I may skip this one ... (4, Informative)

ev1lcanuck (718766) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052711)

I beg to differ, 10.1 didn't allow a lot of things 10.2 did, such as DVD playback which is a pretty big thing in my eyes. It made it so if you shelled out the extra cash for a combo drive iBook you would have to boot to OS9 if you wanted to watch a movie on the plane. Very inconvenient. 10.2 also added a number of other features that 10.1 didn't have. 10.1 was essentially a polished and more stable version of 10.0. 10.2 brought the OSX product up to a point where it could stand on its own and be more comparable to Windows XP. It also brought much better Windows networking tools and plenty of extra apps that 10.1 lacked.

And the only major improvements in 10.3 were iChat AV, FileVault, Expose, and a prettier GUI. All of which, except for Expose, you could get as add-ons for 10.2 (iChat AV is available for $30, FileVault equivalents can be found from third parties, and a prettier GUI that is fully customizable can be found from third parties).

Funny. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052514)

I find it odd how Microsoft is filth by releasing a new OS version every 2 - 3 years, but Apple is awesome for doing it every year.

Re:Funny. (4, Funny)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052748)

Because Microsoft releases lousy OSs every two or three years, and Apple releases a great OS once a year, you dumb shit.

Glad to hear it... (4, Interesting)

hot_Karls_bad_cavern (759797) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052523)

...and here's why: After this last semester of dealing with linux and windows in the house, cheap x86 hardware, school, and work, I HAVE HAD IT!

i will be buying Apples for both me and my girlfriend and an older dualproc Sun server to chain SCSI drives off of.

I HAVE HAD IT WITH SHIT NOT WORKING OUT OF THE BOX, FIRST TIME! i am not dealing with Windows nor linux for any of our serious design work anymore. i know this a massive linux crowd here, and honestly, i really love linux for my firewall and server stuff and my run Gentoo on the Sun (doubt it though...gentoo-sparc is nice, but Solaris 9/10 it ain't).

i don't have the time to fuck about with things anymore. i have to be able to plug it in, turn it on, and let people get to work. i say more power to Apple and they can have some of my cash too. You take the power of *nix (yes, i know what is under the Apple hood, i'm speaking general here) and put a slick, smooth, beautiful, easy-to-use GUI on top, have Adobe compile the must-have apps for it and i'll buy. Apple has done this. Now i will buy. And no, i don't have loads of cash laying around, i'm going to have to scrape to do this, but you know what? It's worth it.

Re:Glad to hear it... (5, Interesting)

greygent (523713) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052665)

I carry a similar train of thought. I fuck with shit all day at work (as a net/sys admin drone) and when I come home, I certainly don't want to fuck with more stuff.

However, UNIX is my bread and butter and I prefer a UNIX environment. Bam! Apple walks onto the scene with perhaps the best GUI (imho) on top of a UNIX environment. I'm in love.

Warning: This post may contain gratuitous expletives. If you are offended by such material, please do not continue reading this post. Thanks.

Re:Glad to hear it... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052671)

great, pay your hard-earned $129/yr. "easy living" upgrade and shut up. Maybe Jobs will give you a discount for your free advertising, if you manage to stop foaming at the mouth.

Re:Glad to hear it... (4, Interesting)

SilentChris (452960) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052732)

You should do what I did: buy a Mac to go alongside an XP desktop and a Linux server at home. I'm vehemently against "switching", but I'm more than happy to "try multiple things". No point getting pigeonholed into a single OS.

Re:Glad to hear it... (3, Insightful)

ambienceman (721763) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052735)

If open source for the masses is to succeed, this is the kind of user to appeal to.

speculation ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052557)

What's Apple's tight-lipped policy got to do with speculation on rumor sites? The two are mutually exclusive.

I'm going to switch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052568)

to Debian PPC on my G4 cube. I'm tired of constantly buying, IMO by far to expensive, new OSX updates. The only thing I'm really going to miss is OmniOutliner.

Re:I'm going to switch (1)

Wonderkid (541329) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052694)

Outliner is good isn't it? So is their OmniGraffle diagraming application. That said, their team has disbanded. I now use my P900 symbian device for project management as it is more convienient. Nothing like jotting down a 'to do' while walking the streets of London, and colliding with a lamp post. "Eureka!" bonk "Ouch!" :-)

Speed. (2, Interesting)

saintlupus (227599) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052569)

I wonder if this one will be even faster than Panther. I'm running OS X on a G3/400 iMac at home -- it's a little over five years old at this point. Every release of OS X is faster than the one before.

Looking forward to it. I'm going to WWDC again this year -- hopefully attendees will get free copies like they did for Panther last year.

--saint

10.3 is good for me (2, Interesting)

Clan Hanna (146060) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052576)

As soon as I heard about Exposé, I knew I was going to get Panther... even though I already had Jaguar. I've now bought five separate versions of OS X (Public Beta, 10.0, 10.1, 10.2, 10.3), and I'm tired of paying for these menial upgrades. Unless there is something truly, ridiculously amazing about "Tiger" I'm not going to pay for it. I'll wait for "Lion" or "Ocelot" or "Leopard" or whatever comes next.

And, yes, I'm just making those names up.

For all of you new to the Mac world...... (1)

Donald Trump (764369) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052603)

Mac Zealot Translator-o-matic

Apple have come up with some innovative products, but their market share remains tiny. Sadly, though, many buyers have been mislead by the marketing and eye-candy, and desperately try to justify their overpriced purchases to themselves on forums around the Net. Let's see what they really mean...

"MacOS X is everything Linux wants to be."
"Despite the fact that Linux is just code and can't WANT to be anything, I truly believe that it'd love to be a single-vendor, single-platform, sluggish half-proprietary OS with dwindling market share. Linux would love to throw away its impressively growing corporate takeup for that."

"Apple hardware is for real computer lovers."
"It's no hassle to use a plethora of keyboard combos to make up for the patronising one-button mouse. Despite the fact that my hands have FIVE fingers, and multiple-buttons make Web browsing so much more pleasant, I prefer my computer to be treat me like a special-needs child."

"Aqua makes me so much more productive!"
"My non-techie friends drool over the transparency and scaling effects, even though UI research has shown that they add practically nothing to getting real work done. It feels like KDE 2 on a Pentium 200, and I can't change to a light and fast WM, but those drop-shadows must make me work so quickly!"

"OSX shows that Apple is committed to open source."
"OpenDarwin.org and its community of about 27 is surely not just a token gesture by Apple. Pretty much nobody uses pure Darwin, and all the crucial components of the system are closed and require me to spend money just to get major OS updates, but they're really helping the community somehow."

"You get what you pay for with Apple hardware."
"My iBook was made by in Taiwan by AlphaTop and has design and build quality flaws (needing foam sheets jammed in to stop the common problem of the keyboard scratching the screen). But it's silvery and cost far more than an x86 laptop of better spec, so it must be much higher quality!"

"...blah blah MHz myth blah..."
"Although there's truth in PPC being more elegant than x86, it's crushing that the top-of-the-range 1.5 GHz chip is slaughtered by the equivalent 3 GHz Pentium 4. However, Steve Jobs showed some vague Photoshop filter benchmarks at the last MacWorld, so being a leprotard, I'm convinced."

Incremental or Major... (5, Interesting)

clichekiller (665320) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052614)

The big question I'm waiting to answer is whether this will be an incremental update or a major update. Panther added some nice new functionality Fast User Switching, Expose (which I don't use nearly as much as I thought I would the first time I saw it), and better networking support. It was a tough call but I believe it was worth the upgrade, fast user switching alone has made my life a lot easier.

What's left, quite a lot actually. The Finder for one thing could use a lot of enhancements. Forgoing the whole brush metal fiasco, I care little about, there is the whole underlying functionality. Why is it that the OS can't update the window's contents without being pushed to do it. This is something that is fundamentally critical to an operating system. Additionally browsing folders across a network with a large number of files in it is painfully slow, and I'm talking my 100MB network at home.

Lastly I would like to see a decent integrated development environment. XCode is a nice upgrade from previous tools but I'd still like to be able to work on the GUI and on code at the same time. CASE tools have come a long way, but Apple's tools still have a very antiquated feel about them.

ObMontyPython (2, Funny)

tbone1 (309237) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052619)

A tiger? In Masconi Center?

Logic Board Extension Program (5, Insightful)

Ann Coulter (614889) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052621)

Apple is very kind. When I brought in my iBook for repair because of that nasty Logic Board problem, Apple serviced and delivered my computer free of charge for me. On top of that, they sent me a copy of Panther when the repairs were over. Apple must be selling their operating systems not based solely on a profit basis. I would assume that the reason Apple is charging the $130 for each "upgrade" of their operating systems (they are not upgrades but full versions only) is because they assume that the only people buying them are not upgrading, but buying from scratch. It would be interesting for Apple to set up a "n-year upgrade program" where you get every release of your particular OS for those n years. They are already doing that for their server operating systems.

upgrade cost? (1)

cube_slave (765396) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052626)

I wonder if the "major" improvements will be worth an upgrade cost to current Panther users...

There is a downside to a new release every year... less and less ROI for current users. I guess we'll have to wait and see the new feature set.

here we go again (1, Troll)

Gandalfar (599790) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052639)

Great, another two months of speculations and roumors...

Panther added longevity to my old machine (2, Interesting)

thedogcow (694111) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052661)

Panther added longevity to my old G4 400mhz machine. It feels relatively fast. I'm looking forward to the next upgrade. 129 bucks is well worth it for the considerable upgrades and improvments that occur with each 10.x release.

What's WWDC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052681)

Wil Wheaton Dot Com?

Well, they ARE a business, after all (5, Insightful)

amarkham (153845) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052699)

Do I *WANT* to pay for an upgrade every year? No.

Do I *HAVE* to pay for an upgrade every year? No.

However, who on earth can blame Apple for launching new releases on a regular basis and charging for them. If they don't have enough features to justify *YOU* paying for them (it is, after all, completely subjective), then don't get it. Wait until enough releases go by that you feel justified. On the flip side, Apple is trying to make money and apparently there are enough people willing to pay for these annual releases to encourage Apple to keep doing it.

I'm not sure how many they sell each year, but if they waited every 2-3 years, that's a TON of money being left on the table that a TON of consumers are apparently more than willing to part with.

Enjoy,
Andy

Prounciation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9052703)

So how does Steve Jobs pronounce 'tiger'? I'm guessing "tig-wire".

Oh my... (1)

larry2k (592744) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052714)

There goes another $130... and I'm more than happy to pay it.

Does anyone know a link (1)

Snoobs (43421) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052717)

what is a link to find more about the changes that 10.4 is going to update.

I don't care about the conference. How is this software going to improve my computing experience?

It's still year off (3, Insightful)

cbuskirk (99904) | more than 10 years ago | (#9052743)

I imagine that the release date will be at least a year from WWDC. They have been setting the release dates about 18 months apart. This is the developers conference of course they are going to pull out the next OS and preview it. Oh and two paid updates in the past 5 years each of which has been a significant advancement is worth $250 dollars.
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