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NYT Discovers Internet's Wild Side: IRC

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the ok-corral dept.

The Internet 627

maztec writes "The New York Times (free soul-sucking registration required) published an article today entitled The Internet's Wilder Side. Apparently, according to the article, 'the Internet has come to resemble a pleasant, well-policed suburb , [but] a little-known neighborhood known as Internet Relay Chat remains the Wild West.' In essence the article concerns itself with how IRC is the breeding ground of all the Internet's Evils, from animal pornography and illegal file sharing to virus making and computer cracking, it all starts here. I'd continue pointing out interesting quotes, but that'd be a waste. Go read it yourself. And if you're on IRC, remember, you're evil. Even if you're one of those do-gooders who uses Mozilla, LFS, or FreeNode servers for software development."

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fp (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9073769)

from the wild side, props GNAA

First IRC post (-1, Offtopic)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073771)


/exec figlet F157 PR057!

God forbid (5, Funny)

Corbets (169101) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073773)

I can't wait to see what happens when they discover newsgroups. Man, their heads will pop. ;)

Re:God forbid (1, Insightful)

ErisCalmsme (212887) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073832)

Haha you beat me to it man! Newsgroups should be whispered, not spoken aloud lol. Let's keep it our little secret shall we?

Lol (-1, Funny)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073907)

I can't believe they're hitting on IRC. How behind the times is this?

Ahhh, I remember being a lad, hacking IRC chatrooms. Nothing like finding some chat room dedicated to evil wankers, escalating yourself to moderator, and booting everyone.

Simple pleasures.

Re:Lol (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9073988)


Just calling them "chatrooms" makes me think you're full of shit.

Such a discovery! (5, Funny)

Jaywalk (94910) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073784)

Wow. The New York Times has discovered IRC. What an amazing discovery. What are they going to discover next? Pennsylvania? I'd love to hear their hard-hitting expose about Pittsburgh.

Re:Such a discovery! (5, Interesting)

beh (4759) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073803)

It's kind of interesting that the NYT would engage in what I would
consider sensationalist press. I remember that in the late 1990s a
German TV report came out with a sensationalist article about the
fact that there was a "secret document" on the Internet which would
describe how to build bombs - and that this would be totally
scandalous.

This "*secret* document" was the FAQ rec.pyrotechnics...

Re:Such a discovery! (4, Funny)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073925)

Well, in the mid-90's there was a lot of hype (not sure if in the media) about a document that described how to build atomic bombs.

Of course, that document started saying something like "go to your local grocery store and buy 3 kg of U-235" :)

Re:Such a discovery! (2, Informative)

robnauta (716284) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073870)

They are probably surprised that people still use it, despite its lackluster color support hacks (mirc-specific), old protocols that refuses to change (allowing wonderful things to enhance your chat experience like floods, nickfloods, people intentionally splitting the network to gain 'ops', an unusable channel list, and a screen full of mode changes), and slow nat-unfriendly filetransfers.

Re:Such a discovery! (4, Funny)

TWX (665546) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073894)

"Wow. The New York Times has discovered IRC. What an amazing discovery. What are they going to discover next? Pennsylvania? I'd love to hear their hard-hitting expose about Pittsburgh."

Wait'll they discover that IRC is twelve years old! I think that the protocol is older than most of the people that use it, at least on a mental level.

Re:Such a discovery! (2, Informative)

madprof (4723) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073959)

Well the article says it began in the late 80s so maybe someone told them....?

How many years has IRC been running? (5, Funny)

Black Rabbit (236299) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073788)

Next thing you know, they'll be raving about the wonders of Archie, Veronica and Gopher!

Re:How many years has IRC been running? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9073885)

"Archie, Veronica and Gopher. Once again, it's Jughead, man! [archiecomics.com]
Jughead I say!

Re:How many years has IRC been running? (3, Funny)

Black Rabbit (236299) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073954)

Was there ever an Internet app called Big Ethel?

Re:How many years has IRC been running? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9074025)

Joke went over your head man.

Shhhhhh (0, Redundant)

ryanw (131814) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073790)

We better not tell them about Usenet, he might have a heart attack.

WTF, second fucking story today. Stop posting NYT (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9073791)

Stop linking to NY Times you stupid fucking assholes.

Anyone care to post the story in it's full?

why is it always me that does this? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9073800)

registration free link [nytimes.com]

Re:why is it always me that does this? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9073896)

How about posting the link advert free [nytimes.com] next time then, heheheh

Re:why is it always me that does this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9073918)

ooh, nice idea, i'll do that next time... ;)

Re:why is it always me that does this? (1)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073919)

Actually, you do quite a lot around here, Mr. Coward!
At least you didn't post a Tubgirl troll this time...

Re:why is it always me that does this? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9074008)

yet. [tubgirl.com]

Re:why is it always me that does this? (2, Funny)

oordaz (236205) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073935)

you got this link in a IRC channel. . . right?

Re:why is it always me that does this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9073940)

Where do you find the reg free links?

Thanks for the heads up... (4, Funny)

jejones (115979) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073809)

I guess I need to work on a maniacal laugh or on holding my extended pinkie to the corner of my mouth. And there I thought I was just getting help with Gentoo and Fedora Core 2 Test 3...

And KvIRC 3.0 is out (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9073811)

And still sux.

I.R.C.? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9073812)

And why does Dalnet get listed before EFnet? What's up with that?

Re:I.R.C.? (-1)

KrON (2656) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073839)

Der.. alphabetical order maybe?

Re:I.R.C.? (1, Informative)

dleifelohcs (777508) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073844)

A B C D E F G H I J... Newspapers list everything alphabetically where applicable.

Re:I.R.C.? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9073869)

But Dalnet should always be listed after EFnet, or better yet, not listed at all.

Thank god... (4, Funny)

Lugor (628175) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073814)

..they haven't found bash.org [bash.org] yet!

Remember tonight! (0, Offtopic)

FriendsForever (777483) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073816)

Tonight is the last episode of Friends [nbc.com] !

Forget about /. and talk about Friends on IRC!

Well policed suburbs? (5, Funny)

Roadkills-R-Us (122219) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073817)

Obviously, they're refering to usenet. I mean, I haven't seen a fatal shooting there in quite some time.

Well, of course it's wild. (1)

Wakko Warner (324) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073820)

Hell, even TRON GUY hangs out on IRC. But I'm not telling you where.

- A.P.

Re:Well, of course it's wild. (3, Funny)

Mdalek (702460) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073976)


errm....because we're all dying to know.

Hell, of course it's wild. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9073821)

Even TRON GUY hangs out on IRC. But I'm not telling you where.

Of course (5, Insightful)

Orgazmus (761208) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073822)

Is not every place with free speech and relative stealthness a breedingplace for:
-terrorists
-virusmakers
-worms
-terroris ts
-porn
-terrorists

?

Re:Of course (5, Interesting)

Black Rabbit (236299) | more than 10 years ago | (#9074000)

This century, it's the Internet. 200 (or so) years ago, it was coffeehouses. No matter what the forum, it will always be used to discuss dissention.

the internet's evil? (0, Redundant)

nil5 (538942) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073823)

i think they mean usenet.

i mean, duh...

Ahhh.. fear of the unknown (5, Insightful)

steve buttgereit (644315) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073824)

I think this best sums up what is at play here:

"The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear. And the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown." -- Lovecraft.

IRC is still more difficult to use than AOL chat rooms and largely the domain of techies. Sure bad stuff happens there because it's not part of the mainstream, but I don't know that it's worse there than anywhere else... ...god help them if they find USENET.

Cheers!
SCB

Re:Ahhh.. fear of the unknown (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9073939)

god help them if they find USENET.

OMFG der is pr0n on Usenet!!! OFMMFG!!! LOLOOLOL.

Description (0, Troll)

Digital G (16017) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073826)

IRC = IM's Big Brother

hah. (1)

mrtroy (640746) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073828)

EYE R SEE why IRC is so bad now.

They(we) invented l33tsp34k :P

now they r bad.

Darn! Now average joe will use it and ruin it (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9073830)

Time to go back to BBS for all the evil stuff.

/list (5, Funny)

Himring (646324) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073834)

IRC is the breeding ground of all the Internet's Evils

It was in 1996 that I developed my eye twitch. That was just after having read /list for the first time on efnet....

seems odd (5, Interesting)

theMerovingian (722983) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073836)


I think its funny that file sharing is now on a par with animal pornography...

The vilification plan is almost complete.

Re:seems odd (5, Funny)

Glonoinha (587375) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073934)

That depends. We talking animals with other animals, or animals with people? The former you can find on the Discovery Channel; the latter, not so much.

Quitcherbitchin'... here's the text. (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9073838)

It was just another Wednesday on the sprawling Internet chat-room network known as I.R.C. In a room called Prime-Tyme-Movies, users offered free pirated downloads of "The Passion of the Christ'' and "Kill Bill Vol. 2.'' In the DDO-Matrix channel, illegal copies of Microsoft's Windows software and "Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time,'' an Xbox game, were ripe for downloading. In other chat rooms yesterday, whole albums of free MP3's were hawked with blaring capital letters. And in a far less obtrusive channel, a hacker may well have been checking his progress of hacking into the computers of unsuspecting Internet users.

Even as much of the Internet has come to resemble a pleasant, well-policed suburb, a little-known neighborhood known as Internet Relay Chat remains the Wild West. While copyright holders and law enforcement agencies take aim at their adversaries on Web sites and peer-to-peer file-sharing networks like Napster, I.R.C. remains the place where people with something to hide go to do business.

Probably no more than 500,000 people are using I.R.C. worldwide at any time, and many of them are engaged in legitimate activities, network administrators say. Yet that pirated copy of Microsoft Office or Norton Utilities that turns up on a home-burned CD-ROM may well have originated on I.R.C. And the Internet viruses and "denial of service'' attacks that periodically make news generally get their start there, too. This week, the network's chat rooms were abuzz with what seemed like informed chatter about the Sasser worm, which infected hundreds of thousands of computers over the weekend.

"I.R.C. is where you are going to find your 'elite' level pirates,'' said John R. Wolfe, director for enforcement at the Business Software Alliance, a trade group that fights software piracy. "If they were only associating with each other and inbreeding, maybe we could coexist alongside them. But it doesn't work that way. What they're doing on I.R.C. has a way of permeating into mainstream piracy.''

Two weeks ago, the F.B.I., in conjunction with law enforcement agencies in 10 foreign countries, announced an operation called Fastlink, aimed at shutting down the activities of almost 100 people suspected of helping operate illegal software vaults on the Internet. The pirated copies of music, films, games and other software were generally distributed using a separate Internet file-transfer system, said a Justice Department spokesman, but the actual pirates generally used I.R.C. to communicate and coordinate with one another.

"The groups targeted as part of Fastlink are alleged to have used I.R.C. to have committed their crimes, like almost all other warez groups,'' the spokesman, Michael Kulstad, said in a telephone interview. Warez, pronounced like wares, is techie slang for illegally copied software.

When I.R.C. started in the 1980's, it was best known as a way for serious computer professionals worldwide to communicate in real time. It is still possible - though sometimes a bit difficult - to find mature technical discussions among the tens of thousands of I.R.C. chat rooms, known as channels, operating at any one time. There are also respectable I.R.C. systems and channels - some operated by universities or Internet service providers - for gamers seeking opponents or those who want to talk about sports or hobbies.

Still, I.R.C. perhaps most closely resembles the cantina scene in "Star Wars'': a louche hangout of digital smugglers, pirates, curiosity seekers and the people who love them (or hunt them). There seem to be I.R.C. channels dedicated to every sexual fetish, and I.R.C. users speculate that terrorists also use the networks to communicate in relative obscurity. Yet I.R.C. has its advocates, who point to its legitimate uses.

"I.R.C. is where all of the kids come on and go nuts,'' William A. Bierman, a college student in Hawaii who helps develop I.R.C. server software and who is known online as billy-jon, said in a telephone interview. "All of the attention I.R.C. has gotten over the years has been because it's a haven for criminals, which is a very one-sided view.

"The whole idea behind I.R.C. is freedom of speech. There is really no structure on the Internet for policing I.R.C., and there are intentionally no rules. Obviously you're not allowed to hack the Pentagon, but there are no rules like 'You can't say this' or 'You can't do that.' "

If they think IRC is bad (5, Funny)

Tebriel (192168) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073841)

they should see Ebay. There's some weird shit for sale there....

IRC isn't the cause... (4, Insightful)

lxt (724570) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073843)

The article implies IRC is the cause of the evils. IRC is a medium, not a cause. It's just a way of organising so called "evils". You still have to want to get to the "evil" material in the first place.

Re:IRC isn't the cause... (4, Funny)

mrtroy (640746) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073957)

I believe the article proves you are incorrect. IRC is not just a medium, apparently.
Yet that pirated copy of Microsoft Office or Norton Utilities that turns up on a home-burned CD-ROM may well have originated on I.R.C.
Pirated software can originate from IRC itself (not the clients or the servers)
The whole idea behind I.R.C. is freedom of speech. There is really no structure on the Internet for policing I.R.C., and there are intentionally no rules. Obviously you're not allowed to hack the Pentagon, but there are no rules like 'You can't say this' or 'You can't do that.'
You can hack the pentagon from IRC, you just arent supposed to.

Re:IRC isn't the cause... (4, Insightful)

frinkster (149158) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073998)

You still have to want to get to the "evil" material in the first place.

And if there's anything the drug war has taught us, it's that as long as people want something, people will get it.

Re:IRC isn't the cause... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9074004)

Yes, but people in New York don't understand that. That is why they ban guns whenever possible.

I, for one... (2, Funny)

thedogcow (694111) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073845)

I, for one, welcome our new evil IRC overlords...

But truly, you want to know something that is the epitome of evil, that represents fire and brimstone, and a general sense of Rotting.... Netsplits!

Oh the Horror!

In Other News... (2, Funny)

Vaginal Discharge (706367) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073848)

President Bush sends US Marshalls into IRC to try to bring law and order.

Re:In Other News... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9073926)

President Bush sends US Marshalls into IRC to try to bring law and order.

/mode #WMD +s

Hmm... (4, Insightful)

Peden (753161) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073854)

While the submitter might be right in hinting that the New York Times, does not know jack about the internet, they do have a point. IRC _IS_ the breeding ground for all sorts of weird stuff, be that legal or illegal, and although many people use it for strictly legal purposes, it could do with some cleanup. The question remains though, should IRC be censored along with everything else (little by little, our precious internet is going mainstream), or should it remain as it is? Personally I am for the staying of IRC, yet I also share the concerns of the Times.

Re:Hmm... (5, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073977)

The "problem" with IRC is that it connects people. IRC isnt a breeding ground for weird stuff, humanity is.

The main beef is that IRC is an old, open protocol with countless free servers out there. How are you supposed to charge 10 cents per instant message when such things exist?

Babies are safer when you write a lot of checks. Beware free things, they're inherently evil and unamerican. IRC is like a slum (he doesnt mention which network, I'll assume they're all the same). AOL chat rooms are where high class individuals masturbate.

Re:Hmm... (2, Interesting)

the_mad_poster (640772) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073984)

The WEB is mainstream. Most people just can't tell the difference between the www, ftp, e-mail, irc, and usenet. I get the strangest looks when I tell some people to type "eff tee pee colon slash slash" sometimes...

they just discovered it? (2, Funny)

Savatte (111615) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073856)

Talk about being late to a party. They are later than my girlfriend's period. zing!

RE: Wow... (1)

fshalor (133678) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073857)

I haven't been on any IRC stuff since like 1994/5. I'll have to go back and see what all the fuss is about.

It'll be interesting to see, since according to the article and my conceptions of the time, it hasn't changed much in a decade. :)

lag... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9073860)

it took them that long to find out about IRC!?

Karma Whore (0)

randomErr (172078) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073868)

Um SlashNet [slashnet.org]

And they think IRC is "the wilds" (1)

Tangwei (704210) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073872)

Hrm.. maybe Goatse has escaped thier notice some how.... wonder the article they'd waste print on if they saw that along with his girlfriend Tubgirl.

Just saw a discussion in #hackers... (5, Funny)

jez9999 (618189) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073874)

<b1lbo> The NYT has an article on us being 'evil'! Just saw it on Slashdot, go see it :-P
<creat1ve> What?
<creat1ve> Damn.. they suck!!
<creative> hack-bot, DDOS nytimes.com
<hack-bot> Initializing DDOS

...

<l1ght> Haha, nytimes.com down :-) That'll teach them to badmouth irc, thank god for that Slammer virus that let us build up those zombies!

Re:Just saw a discussion in #hackers... (5, Funny)

HeghmoH (13204) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073999)

That is such an obvious fake. If you're going to post made-up IRC discussions, you should at least use proper IRC grammar, such as no capital letters, missing or incorrect punctuation, etc. You're not even trying to be believable!

Re:Just saw a discussion in #hackers... (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 10 years ago | (#9074011)

#hackers...yawn...lame.

The one and only place was always #hack. With no "ers". On EFnet. Back before there was an EFnet as such...there was just "irc".

Animal Porno? (3, Funny)

toupsie (88295) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073877)

You mean the Discovery channel distributes on IRC? How many times have I seen two Rhinos doing the nasty with some British snooty guy narrating on PBS? Please, NY Times. This is nothing new. Heck, I even got a shot of flies getting busy [mac.com] on my balcony. You would think these New York City folk wouldn't be such prudes.

Whatever (5, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073882)

Wow, talk about your corporate motivated propoganda.

the Internet has come to resemble a pleasant, well-policed suburb

I guess the key here is well-policed, huh. Wouldn't want to offend.

The problem that the corporate world has with IRC is that it's a network of humans, exchanging ideas and conversing freely. And, to make matters worse, they aren't paying a monthly/weekly/hourly fee to do so.

I've read a lot of these "watch out for these free social based things on the internet, the only way to keep your kids safe is to stay on amazon.com with your credit card in hand" articles.

Meh, fuckit.

Give me a break. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9073886)

It never fails to amaze me how clueless ostensibly intelligent people can be. Um, hellooo? Reality called, left a message advising you get a clue! Noone put them on to the latest hardcore pron, they're likely to have a collective coronary. Liveing in their own little world...

well behaved suburb??!!!?!?!?!?!? (4, Interesting)

genner (694963) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073887)

The internet is nothing remotley like a suburb, it's the wild west all over again complete with brothels and shoot outs. IRC and USENET where the orginal storehouses of sub-legal activities before P2P came along.

Oh, come on. (1)

Lord Graga (696091) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073888)

Did I ever say that I was good anyway? ;)

Blah blah. (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073890)

It depends on where you go. Yes, IRC has that stuff available to you, so does Google.

Stay out of #10YROLDZ4FORTIEZ and #h4ck3rz4h1r3 and you will be fine. There are plenty of decent channels out there that serve their purpose without falling into this "Wild Wild West" attitude.

Running an IRC server... (1)

ari_j (90255) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073895)

If I've run IRC servers for the past 8 years or better, does that make me more evil, or do I have to cite having run an NNTP server to get the prize? ;)

Mmm. (1)

dewc (700281) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073899)

God damn it. I'm not a freaking elite pirate! I only use IRC for chatting about girls, food, movies, games! Honest! Hell, I don't even know what an FSERV is!

My own private IM network (1)

randomErr (172078) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073902)

I actually setup a company server IM using GAIM and IRC. It worked really well.

I wonder how many of these nar-do-wells are using IRC servers on port 80?

I agree with this: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9073914)

"I.R.C. is where you are going to find your 'elite' level pirates,'' said John R. Wolfe, director for enforcement at the Business Software Alliance, a trade group that fights software piracy. "If they were only associating with each other and inbreeding, maybe we could coexist alongside them. But it doesn't work that way. What they're doing on I.R.C. has a way of permeating into mainstream piracy.'' Ahhh the good old days before mp3 and P2P networking...you actually had to know something to find something....search engines like Google wouldn't turn up things on IRC (well some do now like packetnews and ircspy....but that's another story.)

IRC freedom in the crosshairs again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9073917)

What greater threat to Terrany is there
than freedom of speech?

Now even in IRC, the 1st admendment is under attack!

Why do people think being controlled by others is somehow 'Safer', when no-one controls the controllers?

Full link (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9073922)

No registration:
http://www.goupstate.com/apps/pbcs. dll/article?AID =/20040506/ZNYT05/405060413/1051/NEWS01

Bwhahahahaha (3, Funny)

Lord Graga (696091) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073931)

"I.R.C. is where you are going to find your 'elite' level pirates,'' said John R. Wolfe, director for enforcement at the Business Software Alliance, a trade group that fights software piracy."

rofl,im1337h4xx0r!iwill0wnj00rb0x0r!

they're right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9073936)

I used to go to IRC quite a bit, and it really is the most "underground" you can go, cracking & warez mainly, it's just so completely unpoliced, but also it's wrong to paint the whole thing with one brush, many go just to chat, simple as that.

Some names just don't have that ring to them... (4, Informative)

jejones (115979) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073942)

"Quite often, once they get their hands on a prerelease, they will use I.R.C. as the first distribution before it goes out into the wider Internet," Brad A. Buckles, the [RIAA]'s executive vice president for antipiracy efforts, said in a telephone interview.

One has to give the author credit for getting one thing right, though:

In some ways, the biggest problem is Microsoft Windows itself. Windows has holes that can allow a hacker to install almost anything on a computer that lacks a protective program or device called a firewall. Users' vulnerability can be compounded if they have not installed the latest patches from Microsoft.

Suprnova... (1)

OriginalChops (773524) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073943)

You think IRC is evil because people can share files easily? good thing they dont know about suprnova.... And thats part of the "well policed" part of the internet. It's the most ignorant thing ive ever read in a newspaper!

Dead girls dont say no (3, Funny)

tobsucht (752647) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073945)

Apparently they have discovered bash.org [bash.org] .

more than 500,000 (1)

lart2150 (724284) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073949)

where did they get their info?

"Probably no more than 500,000 people are using I.R.C. worldwide at any time..."

Well of course. (1)

i_am_pi (570652) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073951)

A totally biased article about a topic that they only cursorly researched. WareZ kiddies also use Hotline, Carracho (for Mac), and simply giving out FTP links over AIM. Nothing revolutionary, and a ton of hype.

Persuading access to freenode (1)

jago25_98 (566531) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073952)

My University blocks IRC.
Not easy without internet at home.

How can I convince them to allow access to this one server?

At the moment I have to use a java applet. I know, I should get a shell.

NYT - don't they fabricate their stories??? (4, Insightful)

darthcamaro (735685) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073960)

I live on IRC and sure as 'hell' don't consider myself to be evil. This lame ass journo probably got flamed and didn't know what do to. IRC is better than IM and is used by anyone and everyone in the dev community. I can't imagine participating in any of the FOSS projects that I do without IRC - it just wouldn't be possible.
Speaking of which, is there a /. specific channel on Freenode?

What a load of BS (4, Insightful)

phyruxus (72649) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073979)

IRC isn't any different, really, than a web page or a video cast. It's all just bits. The reason NYT can't understand this isn't that they're dumb, it's that they're inherently journalists not technologists.

IRC isn't "where animal porn comes from", animal porn comes from people who like animal porn. Failure to apprehend this fact smacks of gross stupidity. IRC is just a chatroom. It's exactly the same as an AOL chatroom or an ICQ chatroom. The room isn't the place, the conversants are the place. Conversations can happen Anywhere. Plus our Constitution (you know, that thing Dubya keeps trying to shred) GARUANTEES us the right to free speech and peacable assembly. IRC is not some magical source of villainy, it's every streetcorner in America rolled into one blank page awaiting words.

IRC isn't the problem. People are the problem. And we already have the solution. It's called the code of law. Not that the law is always the best law, but my point is that IRC is neither good nor evil, merely a tool. People who realize this can take the proper step, which is to try to fight the problem not the symptom. People who don't realize this make total asses of themselves in very public fora.

"A witty saying proves nothing." - Voltaire
"d'Oh!" - Homer

PS, I didn't RTFA because I'm too lazy. Did YOU rtfa? ;-) Okay, then flame on, but please post a link without registration so I can rtfa and flame you back. One.

Godwin's Law (5, Insightful)

Aneurysm9 (723000) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073985)

...and I.R.C. users speculate that terrorists also use the networks to communicate in relative obscurity.

Am I the only one who thinks Godwin's law needs a new corrolary?

google link (2, Informative)

xiopher (699208) | more than 10 years ago | (#9073996)

google link here [nytimes.com]

Do you remember? (1)

kyoko21 (198413) | more than 10 years ago | (#9074001)

irc.aohell.org
irc.colorado.edu
irc.ais.net
irc -2.ais.net
irc.emory.edu

Ahh the good old days...

oh, don't forget

baltimore.md.us.undernet.org

That was also a quite popular one... hehehehe

All too common nowadays... (5, Insightful)

mattgreen (701203) | more than 10 years ago | (#9074009)

One more established form of media just disparages another because it doesn't understand it, or because it fears it. It's a shame, because average newspaper readers inevitably equate, "IRC = bad," and continue to spread the hearsay when it comes up in conversation.

What are they smoking, anyways? The web is anything but a well-policed suburb. If anything, it's a middle school that is in perpetual recess. They just know if they were to apply these same arguments to the web that people would not stand for their bullshit.

Once again, social acceptability shows itself to be completely arbitrary.

Too late (1)

vijaya_chandra (618284) | more than 10 years ago | (#9074013)

Damn!
They'd have published this article this morning itself

/me thought that irc is cool and it's only this afternoon that quite a few of my new friends were asking for the password of a certain user account named 'root'
And now my system's behaving funny
wonder wha..
[Connection lost]

I hope I'm the first to say this (1)

asoap (740625) | more than 10 years ago | (#9074016)

asoap sets mode -v nyt

-asoap

What about Yahoo! Chat? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9074022)

If IRC is evil, then Yahoo! Chat is the 7th level of Hell. At least IRC has real moderators.
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