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PowerBook Disassembly Guide

Hemos posted more than 9 years ago | from the no-disassembly-johnny-five dept.

Portables (Apple) 226

kwiens writes "We've been slaving away for months to create the FixIt Guide Series-- a set of Free-As-In-Beer step by step PowerBook disassembly instructions. Maybe waiting another 6-18 months for those PowerBook G5's will be easier if you fix your old PowerBook now (or just use the Guides as a starting point for that killer PowerBook case mod). Guides are up now for the PowerBook G3 Wallstreet, Lombard, Pismo and Titanium PowerBook G4 Mercury, Onyx, DVI."

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FP!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106008)

HAHAHAHAH FP BABY!!!!!!!!!!

fp (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106014)

fp

Re:fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106046)

HAHAHAHAHAH I R Da FoRsT PsTeERER!!!!!!1

Re:fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106070)

omg stfu rtfa plz stfu again

Warranty? (2, Informative)

Marxist Commentary (461279) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106031)

Will this void my warranty? I paid sooo much for my Powerbook, I'd like to keep the warranty intact.

Re:Warranty? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106065)

Do you really have to ask?

Re:Warranty? (5, Informative)

zenrandom (708587) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106123)

Yes, it will void your warranty. Also if you shelled out the $300 for apple care it will void that. Doing anything besides a RAM upgrade, or possibly an airport/ap extreme card voids your warranty. These are the only consumer supported upgrades apple will support on the powerbook.

Re:Warranty? (3, Informative)

caitsith01 (606117) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106417)

Good old Apple... 'yes you bought it, no you can't touch/open/look at it'.

Actually, in many countries/states, you *are* allowed to open/touch your own computer. It won't necessarily void your hardware warranty - you should check up on local laws, which will most likely override any bullshit Apple feed you in their warranty 'agreement'.

For example, I know that in Australia you have a statutory warranty that will NOT be voided by opening up your computer or laptop or indeed installing new parts or removing old ones. After all, if something is kaput it is kaput whether you open your computer after it breaks or not. In fact, computer stores are not supposed to put those little 'warranty void if removed' stickers across the back of computer cases any more - it is an offence to try to deny that a statutory warranty exists.

Of course, nothing you add to your computer will be covered by the manufacturer's warranty.

Re:Warranty? (4, Insightful)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106716)

We ARE talking about a laptop here. I dont know of ONE state that allows you to open up the case of a laptop when the contracts you agreed to buying it all say you cant (yep even though you didnt sign it, that warrente contract is something you agreed to by law, in your purchase of the item.

Let me make it a little more clear. The truth is, THERE IS NOT ONE PART ON MOST LAPTOP MOTHERBOARDS YOU THE USER COULD FIX ANYWAY! You need special gear, and even there I would rather work on a desktop system then poke and prod in a laptop given how tight everything is put together and how hard it is to put things back together unless you do this on a regular basis.

And before you ask, Yes I have been inside of a iBook, and even taking care and actually making foam board models for each layer of screws to make sure I got everything back together, I had a lot of trouble doing it and making it all fit. ITs honestly NOT a easy thign to do, they will nine times out of ten KNOW you where messing around in there and given the AppleCare service isnt much more expensive and they will replace everything for you for 3 years, INCULDING your LCD I would rather some guy in Tenn fix my computer than me potentially break it.

Re:Warranty? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106125)

do people who ask questions ever read them back to themselves?

this is obviously geared to those who are out of warranty, and want a possible alternative to expensive out of warranty repairs.

but go ahead and think yourself insightful.

Re:Warranty? (1)

sspenz (585420) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106311)

Of course this will void your warranty; don't know exactly but I think they'll use some kind of seal system to check whether the case has been opened or not when aquiring warranty to the PB. So get your hands off those when you still got the warranty

Re:Warranty? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106420)

As an apple tech at an authorized service center/reseller... theoretically yes it will void your warranty (but in theory communism works). Usually we can tell if a customer has been in a system (screws in wrong place etc.). If there is no physical damage to the part, freyed wires or anything. We can usually exchange it under warranty. Of course why would you be going into your powerbook if it is under warranty. Just ship it out to get fixed. Ram and Airport cards are always customer installable. Minus maybe the older 15's where you have to pop the bottom off. Just be careful! I've had repairs cost over a $1k just because he let his "friend" replace the hard drive in his flat pannel imac

this is apple's problem in a nutshell (0, Flamebait)

RMH101 (636144) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106611)

"I've had repairs cost over a $1k just because he let his "friend" replace the hard drive in his flat pannel imac"

Whereas in a desktop PC, the worst you can do is pop a sub 60 component or two.

Re:Warranty? (1)

sspenz (585420) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106627)

True, but what if you can't wait to get the PB fixed by Apple? Example: You have a broken presentation machine and you need the PB for the next day... so what you're going to do? Depends on the problem I'd say, so you'll open the book and look what's wrong (when you know what you're doing). Is there any kind of seal you break when opening the case? I would bet...

You think this will get shut down? (4, Interesting)

caffeineboy (44704) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106044)

I think I remember a website that explained how to get to the second DIMM in a flatpanel iMac got shut down because apple didn't want people breaking their computers.

What do you think the odds are that this site will have the same kind of problems?

Re:You think this will get shut down? (4, Informative)

millahtime (710421) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106080)

I don't think they can shut it down. You aren't trying to reverse engineer their technology. You aren't violating the DMCA. It would be like GM forcing down a website with instructions on how to mod your car. There is no grounds.

Re:You think this will get shut down? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106402)

I'm sure that Apple's crack team of lawyers can find something to pull it down for. People tend to forget how fierce Apple is when protecting its IP. (And now the apologists will start saying how important it is to protect their IP yada yada).

Re:You think this will get shut down? (5, Funny)

jap (24325) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106210)

Maybe Apple has asked for this site to be placed on /. - why hire expensive lawyers sending c&d's if a herd of clicking nerds with bandwith will give the same result.

Urm (3, Funny)

BenBenBen (249969) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106051)

a starting point for that killer PowerBook case mod
Metal case + mains electricity + "modders" = true in more ways than one?

Geez (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106053)

Dont know about anyone else, but these catch phrases are getting a bit old. Just say it's a free step by step guide.. Free as in beer, air whatever..

Re:Geez (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106330)

Dont know about anyone else, but these catch phrases are getting a bit old. Just say it's a free step by step guide.. Free as in beer, air whatever..

The reason for it is because there are two different kinds of free.

Free as in beer means that there is no cost.

Free as in speech means that you have a freedom with it, as in free to alter to your liking.

So to say the guide is free as in beer means that there is no cost, but does not mean that you are free to edit it and redistribute it. If the article were free as in speech, then you may be obligated to pay for it, but you can alter it as you wish, and do with it what you want (redistribute at no cost, if you wanted).

Re:Geez (1)

gkelman (665809) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106475)

Free as in beer means that there is no cost.

Free as in speech means that you have a freedom with it, as in free to alter to your liking.


Free as in beer means I can't modify it? I'm pretty sure I can modify beer. Certainly do everytime I consume it. Also, can't I take the article and modify it and say "this article is based on this other article". Fair use and all that.

Re:Geez (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106721)

Free as in beer means I can't modify it? I'm pretty sure I can modify beer. Certainly do everytime I consume it. Also, can't I take the article and modify it and say "this article is based on this other article". Fair use and all that.

nice troll

but free as in beer and free as in speech are not mutually exclusive

Re:Geez (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106478)

Beer is never free, trust me, I've paid the price of the fat chick.

i always thought... (1)

RMH101 (636144) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106636)

...that "free as in beer" meant you had a choice.
go down the shop/pub and buy it (at a reasonable cost), or brew it yourself for effectively nothing - pure choice, no monopolies, individual taste/requirements/money decides what you do...

Saving money is great - fraud is not. (3, Interesting)

adzoox (615327) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106082)

I'm all for people wanting to save money. These seem like great how to guides with clear instructions and great pictures.

That said, what i don't like is novices that "cheapskates" that buy these things, use them, screw up their computer while they are still under warranty, then take them to a service provider (me, others) and then have the units fixed for free - it's no less than fraud - because usually someone that messes their unit up after doing something like this doesn't disclose that information.

I have had many a customer tell me that NO ONE has ever opened their computer (including them) - I open it up and there are screws missing, the magnetic sheild has fingerprints on it, etc etc.

The funniest thing, I saw ALL of this on an iBook a while back. The customer said they hadn't touched it. There was a long blonde hair inside and one of "these manuals" on the hard drive.

Pssst: the customer has along haired blonde.

Re:Saving money is great - fraud is not. (3, Funny)

millahtime (710421) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106116)

The funniest thing, I saw ALL of this on an iBook a while back. The customer said they hadn't touched it. There was a long blonde hair inside and one of "these manuals" on the hard drive.

Pssst: the customer has along haired blonde.


Hey, it was the little blonde computer troll. He has gotten inside my computers too. He comes out when there's sunlight cause that's when i scurry away to hind.

Re:Saving money is great - fraud is not. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106138)

I used to repair Mercedes/Blaupunkt CD changers, which regularly came in with golf tees stuck in the mechanism. One guy cut his CD cartridge out with a hacksaw, welded the chassis back together and then took us to the brink of court action because he swore blind no-one had touched his unit since the day it came from Germany.

I *heart* users.

Or Worse (5, Interesting)

mfh (56) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106139)

> That said, what i don't like is novices that "cheapskates" that buy these things, use them, screw up their computer while they are still under warranty, then take them to a service provider (me, others) and then have the units fixed for free.

Likely much worse when they sell them on Ebay [ebay.com] after messing with them. Obviously not all powerbooks on Ebay have been modded, but some of them might have been. Caveat Emptor.

Re:Or Worse (1)

infochuck (468115) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106444)

Likely much worse when they sell them on Ebay after messing with them.

What does a link to pages and pages of batteries and power adaptors have to do with fried failed-mod Powerbooks?

RTFA SVP (1)

mfh (56) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106491)

> What does a link to pages and pages of batteries and power adaptors have to do with fried failed-mod Powerbooks?

The link is an Ebay search on the keyword powerbook! :-)

1800 items found for powerbook

Re:Saving money is great - fraud is not. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106141)

slow down typing - watch for grammar. People will think you are blonde.

Re:Saving money is great - fraud is not. (5, Funny)

JayPee (4090) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106168)

I get this shit all the time. I'm the sole Apple hardware guy at a laptop campus which currently has around 600 students with iBooks and 12" Powerbooks.

I've heard and seen just about everything.

Student: "I didn't spill anything on my iBook"

Me: "Oh yeah? What's this sticky shit that smells like a Gin and tonic?"

Then again, the guys that work on the HP/Compaq's have it worse. They've had two or three laptops that have been pissed on. I suspect it has something to do with lower customer satisfaction.

Taking it to extremes (5, Funny)

caitsith01 (606117) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106595)

My girlfriend once used my computer for an evening. The next day, when I tried to type, pressing a key would produce something like:

#$F|||||||||||#@#$SSSDGF

instead of, say 'a'. So I find my girlfriend, who has an innocent look of concern on her face, and I ask her: did you download any strange software yesterday? No. Did you scan your floppy disk? Yes, no viruses. Did anything else weird happen while you were using my computer? No, nothing weird.

Hmmm... so after tapping away in frustration and checking the cables I decide there must be something loose inside the keyboard that is producing crazy input signals every time I press a key. I decide to check it out, so I go and get the trusty phillips head and go over to my computer. I pick up the keyboard, and as I turn it on its side, liquid starts pouring out. Lots of liquid... lots and lots of liquid... in fact, an entire cup of tea pours out all over the desk.

Using my Sherlock Holmes-like powers of deduction, followed by an appropriately Holmesian denoument in which I made my accusations, I discovered the following. She'd knocked her tea over with her hand, and it had fallen neatly and poured directly into the keyboard body. Then, realising how terrible her crime was (it was a nice keyboard), she quietly logged off using the mouse to select Start->Shut Down->Yes, quickly packed up her stuff, and weaseled away into the night without saying a word.

Things I discovered from this incident:
- keyboards are remarkably water-tight
- darjeeling tea with one sugar is very bad for circuit boards and contact-based switches like the ones inside a keyboard
- there is no limit to the optimism and weaseliness of people when they want to get out of trouble
- it will cost you more than the price of a new Logitech keyboard if you call your partner an evil keyboard murdering wench to her face

Re:Taking it to extremes (1)

elmegil (12001) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106645)

it will cost you more than the price of a new Logitech keyboard if you call your partner an evil keyboard murdering wench to her face

If she was going to try and hide it, you didn't need her anyway.

Re:Taking it to extremes (2, Funny)

caitsith01 (606117) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106725)

Ah, slashdot, where people will trade a potential lifetime of sex and companionship for a new keyboard... ;)

I'm not so touchy as to break up with someone over such a trivial thing. I just used the broken keyboard to beat her for a while, then drank myself to sleep.

Re:Saving money is great - fraud is not. (4, Insightful)

FesterDaFelcher (651853) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106326)

There was a long blonde hair inside and one of "these manuals" on the hard drive.

How can you try to take the high road about your customers, when you are reading the contents of their hard drive? Where are YOUR ethics?

Re:Saving money is great - fraud is not. (0, Troll)

adzoox (615327) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106539)

How can you judge what is ethical and what is not?

The item I was to install was a new hard drive. I was told to drag and drop certain folders back onto the new one as soon as I installed a fresh version of panther.

Besides, EVERY TIME I get a unit in for warranty I type in "repair" "manual" "fix" and "how to"

These terms come up in sherlock. It's hardly snooping or unethical.

Are you defending customers who take advantage of warranties?

Mod the above down as troll!

Re:Saving money is great - fraud is not. (2, Informative)

FesterDaFelcher (651853) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106774)

adzoox: How can you judge what is ethical and what is not?

If you have to ask that, then you obviously have never taken any classes on ethics, or really thought about it. It would really do your business (and your customers) a service. Here is a link to reading up on ethics. Creating a Code of Ethics for Your Organization [ethicsweb.ca]

Re:Saving money is great - fraud is not. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106784)

You, sir, are a troll. Getting upset about your tech seeing stuff on your hard drive is like getting upset with your accountant over them seeing your finances. sheesh...I used to work as a Mac tech and the shop I worked at had us check for child porn on all computers that came into our shop.

Re:Saving money is great - fraud is not. (2, Insightful)

FesterDaFelcher (651853) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106885)

I'm not trolling, but I am sensitive to people overstepping their bounds.

Getting upset about your tech seeing stuff on your hard drive is like getting upset with your accountant over them seeing your finances.

No, it is more like your tech looking at your finances on your hard drive. Would you be OK with that? Then, what if your tech was looking at your passwords on your hard drive, would you be OK with that?

There was a tech working for a company I used to work for that had no reason to be in our SQL servers, and he copied our customer lists onto his hard drive. This was not found out until after he was fired (for other reasons), and they still have no idea what he did with that information.

Re:Saving money is great - fraud is not. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106683)

Personally, I'm looking for a guide to laptop reassembly - the last time I dismantled one, it took hours to get everything back together again.

And there were still parts left over. Ooops!

Reassembling a PowerBook tip (4, Interesting)

adzoox (615327) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106758)

Actually that's more common than you think - to have a "reassembly surplus"

Here's a tip:

Draw 4 diagrams of the iBook or PowerBook. Make them neat pictures (maybe even use Photoshop.)

Print them out. Places the screws on the places on the picture where they go.

This is what I've done. When I get a PowerBook or iBook in for repair I just print out the four different sides of screw removal:

Outer shell bottom
Outer shell top/display
Inside logic board/magnetic sheild bottom
Inside logic board/ top

You can also draw places where cables go too.

Once you have it on your computer you can print them out again in the future.

Re:Reassembling a PowerBook tip (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106973)

Draw 4 diagrams of the iBook or PowerBook. Make them neat pictures (maybe even use Photoshop.)

That's cheating! :-)

Actually, I'm notorious for dismantling computers and electrical appliances, although while I have always managed to get them fully working again, I do tend to have the occasional spring or screw remaining. Or, in the case of an old answer-phone, roughly 75% of it remaining. But it still worked perfectly!

A good tip to anyone wanting to learn how to dismantle stuff - take your old computers to bits, and put them back together again. Figure out how it all works, and how different pieces fit. It can be great fun, and not unlike a giant three-dimensional jigsaw. Plus, you get to fix things too - I spent half an hour or so fixing a dead floppy drive, (a lever had got stuck in the wrong position), and also swapped an important broken key on my old Atari ST with an unimportant working one (which involved roughly three billion screws...) Hardly ground-breaking stuff, but it keeps my mountain of worthless prehistoric crap ticking over...

As soon as my iBook is out of warranty, I have a feeling it too might get dismantled, although I'll be figuring it all out myself. Diagrams and instructions are for wimps!

Although I think I will definitely heed the advice about the diagrams.

lol slashdotted (-1, Offtopic)

rebeka thomas (673264) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106098)

is the site running on a disassembled powerbook?

Re:lol slashdotted (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106132)

ha - ha
very funny slashdot humor at its finest

Slashdot Effect (-1, Offtopic)

hawkeyeMI (412577) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106106)

Very few stories seem to survive the initial slashdotting anymore... seriously, I think it's time for /. to start doing some mirroring or something. It's really getting annoying.

I'm in favor of the mirror-before-post-and-email-the-site-admin approach where when the traffic hits the admin can say, "yes, please put up your mirror"

Re:Slashdot Effect (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106280)

It's not like the news stories on slashdot are super duper fresh anyways.

Re:Slashdot Effect (-1)

fafaforza (248976) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106419)

Slashdot Effect (Score:1, Offtopic)

Interesting moderation. The least bit of criticism gets you shunned here.

Here's a scenario. The site gets slashdotted. The people who let the creators put up the site get annoyed by the bandwidth hit, and refure so put the site back up. The site relocates, gets posted on /. again, and the usual DoS takes place, repeating the cycle.

I, for one, would like to read the guide to hopefully see how I can glue the gray palmrests of my TiBook to the brighter edge after I put too much weight on it with my elbow. I hope I do get to actually read it.

get applecare extended warranty (4, Informative)

hype7 (239530) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106111)

without meaning to sound like your father, it's the best thing you can do, especially for a valuable investment like an Apple laptop.

They don't go wrong often, but when you pick the thing up and carry it round with you everywhere, inevitably some of the laptops develop issues. And portables can be expensive to fix.

It's what, a couple of hundred dollars? Trust me, you'll make that back many times over if a hinge goes, or a screen dies, or whatever...

-- james

Re:get applecare extended warranty (1)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106426)

They don't go wrong often,

Unless you were lucky enough to buy a G3 iBook in late 2002, in which case you're one of the lucky few to ever get Apple's failure-prone laptops in 10 years. Motherboard failure 6 months ago and now my backlight doesn't come on any more with the lid more than about 30 degrees open. Apple produces nothing but crap as far as I'm concerned. I'm going back to Dell (my 5 year old Inspiron is STILL going strong).

Re:get applecare extended warranty (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106675)

I have a 6 year old Wallstreet that works just fine too. Thats moronic to state that you get a bad machine and a bad run where the company actually admits it was a bad run, therefore it must all be crap. My 3 year old iBook is running strong and the only thing bad ever happened to it was while cleaning the screen and instead of spraying the fluid on the cloth first, I sprayed it on the screen (leaking down into the electronics...I know I know -- I yell at others for doing the same thing). Apple fixed it for free.

Having said that, my new Powerbook 12" just came with a bum superdrive. Gotta send it back and I've already given my iBook to a subordinate.

***GRRRR***

That doesn't mean I'm going to blame Apple for a bunch of crap -- especially since other than my laptops, my office is a pure Dell office. I'm on one right now. out of an office where there are 50 workstations, I've had to replace several memory chips and other cards, sent a few motherboards in for replacement (well actually the whole machine), and have replaced a number of the LCD panels that come with them these days (much higher rate than the old CRTs).

As far as I'm concerned, you buy anything and you might get a bad apple (or a bad Dell). Only a moron would take a single instance in his life an claim all is crap because of it.

Re:get applecare extended warranty (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106713)

Everyone has their disaster stories [com.com] . You want to troll, I can too.

Let me say in my experience of Apple laptops vs other laptops, the Apples last a lot longer than the others. I'm writing this on a 3.5 year old PBG3. And that's nothing. The only thing to fail in this baby - the RAM.

Hmmm.. (5, Informative)

JayPee (4090) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106127)

These guides are great and all but if you hang around Apple specific hardware hacking forums enough, you'll come across the official Apple repair manuals which feature complete dissasembly guides, exploded views, etc.

That said, I love being an Apple tech.. I get these goodies within a week of the product being released.

Re:Hmmm.. (0, Funny)

millahtime (710421) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106174)

That said, I love being an Apple tech.. I get these goodies within a week of the product being released.

So, your ipod mini broke before the rest of us even saw them?

That being said, I have a powerbook, ipod and more apple stuff.

Re:Hmmm.. (1)

phrasebook (740834) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106255)

if you hang around Apple specific hardware hacking forums enough, you'll come across the official Apple repair manuals

Is that really how you have to find them? I needed one for my ThinkPad recently and I just downloaded it from ibm.com. Came in handy too. Had to replace my noisy R50 fan with the quiet T41p type.

this is because IBM do it *right* (1)

RMH101 (636144) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106667)

for laptops, if nothing else. bulletproof construction, freely available technical manuals, linux support, etc.

mind you, they make up for this by blowing goats when you start dealing with IBM Global Services...

Why Disassembly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106150)

Is there any mainstream hardware that would work with it? I'm curious, because I was thinking about buying a Dell precisely for that reason: hardware.

Re:Why Disassembly? (1)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106366)

Mainstream hardware? Well, something tells me that if the addon is Mini-PCI, and there's a PCI version of it that works on a PowerMac running your OS, it'll work on a PowerBook, but (AFAIK) not an iBook. BTW, when will Apple get smart and release an eBook or something? I know it lowers the barrier to entry, but some of us are poor and would like to try a Mac for a change. For that matter, are there any VNC access accounts on a Mac? Something like Workspot, but connecting to an OS X Mac?

Re:Why Disassembly? (1)

Slurms (144553) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106568)

Your "eBook" is the 12 inch iBook with the CDROM and an educational discount. At $950 you can't beat the price/feature/size ratio. Well, ok, I can't beat the price for the performance.

You can buy a no-name notebook for $500-$700 but you get what you pay for. A friend who sells them says that he has sometimes had the experience of having to return 2 or 3 DOA no-name units before he finds one that will work.

I think the design on the iBooks is superior to the cheaper notebooks, although the build quality may vary.

They are called Athlon 64 notebooks. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106154)

Forget the G5 powerbook, if you want 64-bit laptop power Get Mandrake 10 for Athlon 64 and a 64 bit laptop. I am concidering getting it after being so impressed by Mandrake 10 on my 32 bit machine, so why wait for apple, and it will probably cost $5000 when e-machines will be selling FASTER ones for $1000.

Score -5: Anti-Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106619)

Don't even bother...

Can't get to the site... (5, Interesting)

jcostantino (585892) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106162)

are these manuals better or worse than Apple's (or the same?)

Apple's manuals are generally OK if you need to disassemble stuff but their diagnosis flow charts SUCK.

Wow, I actually got a little nostalgic :) two months ago I was up to my elbows in broken Macintosh, now I'm sitting in front of a MDD and flanked by a bunch of PC's in my cushy corporate job :)

Re:Can't get to the site... (3, Informative)

smcv (529383) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106912)

I glanced through the one for the DVI Powerbook G4 before the database ran out of filehandles and died; their photos for access to the underside of the Powerbook show the it with the keyboard/other components removed and the screen closed over the top, which I'm not convinced is a good idea (if something falls through the gap where the keyboard should go and onto the screen, it'll get scratched).

The Apple manual for the same model suggests putting the keyboard/wrist rest area of the laptop flat on a desk (with a towel or similar underneath), with the screen open and extended off the desk into your lap; that strikes me as less likely to get the screen damaged.

wallstree pb g3 (4, Interesting)

zenrandom (708587) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106172)

I've used one of the take apart manuals for my wallstreet g3. It had the infamous solder joint on the powerboard problem (solder and superglue fixed that) the hard drive was one of the 8gb ones that had a really low mtbf... which has been replaced with a 20gb 5400 rpm... the processor card wouldn't recognize memory in the top slot so it's been replaced with a sonnet g3/500 and 384 mb of ram now. The take apart guides are nice, common sense is good, patience for that first time you take it apart. Make sure you have all the screws out! The g3 books feel like you are going to break them that first time you pull them open. Fun though, to play around inside your apple.

objdump --disassemble -g (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106185)

right?

Danke Danke Danke (4, Interesting)

Daemonik CyCow (719521) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106192)

Well, i can understand anyone in the service industry hating those "cheapskate" "unkowledgable" "freaky" people that can't even put a lightbulb in a socket, let alone install their own airport card. But, for us out there that at least think we know what we are doing, this is much appreciated. I know that I have questions though... I seem to have the most wonderful luck (NE Sarcasm) buying computer equipment just before it get's outmoded by another update to hardware. Case in point : The IIvx I bought many a year back. One of the worst Road Apples made. It perves me that Apple doesn't release this info, even for the older equipment. I can understand something that is as of yet still covered by them, but to have to dig extremely hard (usually) for the info, well, ERGH. I just hope that i can get some more ram in this baby. I can't wait for that nanograss (someone told me it was self rolling?)

I can't believe it! (5, Interesting)

Stud1y (598856) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106256)

in a room full of computer dorks, someone says things like "don't open your own case and fix your machine..." ! isn't this what helps to progress the technology? why does everyone need to stand around like they're our mommys (happy mothers-day btw..!) and hold our hand and tell us "no, don't open your 3k laptop you might break something No Shit! If you're dumb enough to open the case, and not know what you're doing its your fault. Most lame-ass n00bie computer users aren't going to be poppin' the case on their machines. argh, i just can't believe all the negitive 'don't do it!' posts Also, why the fuck do you need a guide to take screws out of a computer? I opened my powerbook two days after i bought it.

Re:I can't believe it! (0, Flamebait)

infochuck (468115) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106380)

in a room full of computer dorks, someone says things like "don't open your own case and fix your machine..."

Mac people (the ones saying these things) aren't computer dorks. Just dorks.

Re:I can't believe it! (-1, Flamebait)

Stud1y (598856) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106413)

shit, i forget these things... they're just yuppies that buy the shit because of their styling ques, and because it's all the rage to have an Ipod.

Right... (2, Informative)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106282)

1600$ laptop + 400$ warranty + 0$ self-mod case == useless warranty.

This guide may be ok if you're past the manufacturers warranty and you didn't get an instore one...

But for me, I got a 3yr [practically useless] warranty from Futureshop. I'll let them [or their sub-contractors] fix problems with my laptop.

Though if I had todo it again I would probably a) not buy a laptop and b) not get an extended warranty. It's been nearly 60 days since I dropped of my laptop to have the hard drive replaced.

nearly 90% of the time Futureshop had my laptop it was sitting in their warehouse awaiting transport...Such a waste.

Tom

Re:Right... (2, Informative)

tomcio.s (455520) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106387)

Well, see here's your problem, you got suckered intot the 'special' new type of Futureshop warranty deal. Should have headed to bMac.

They used to be so good (over the counter, no questions), then 30 day (my Sony DSC-717 is under this warranty) and now the 60 day fix or replace for refurb kit. It's just not worth it. Better save the pennies spent on that and use it for future upgrades.

Good luck with getting the laptop back tho. When my cam broke (flash stopped popping up, they 'fixed' it by breaking the whole shebang- the camera wouldn't turn on at all, and then tried to make me sign the pick-up slip so that they can take it back for another 30 days.)

Haven't bought anything from FutureShock since. Their parent company (BestBuy) is even worse.

I know this is slightly off topic, but good info for anyone in Canada.

Re:Right... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106646)

Ouch hey Tom I wonder if your laptop will even still be a laptop when it comes back

FS Guy: Here you go Mr St Denis [hands tom a keyboard]
Tom: What the hell is this were is my laptop?
FS Guy: What do you mean laptop?

On The news later that night

A local man bludgeoned a Future shop employee to death today using a keyboard he was apparently yelling "Where is my laptop!" He was described as a heavy set man who left a lingering odor of cheese.

Re:Right... (4, Informative)

HeghmoH (13204) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106466)

Apple extended warranties are very nice. Apple has this nasty habit of using Airborne Express overnight service for everything; you call them with a problem, and a guy delivers a box the next morning. You put the computer in the box and off it goes. They fix it more or less instantly, and it comes back within two or three days. They're not always like this, of course, but very often. All the more reason not to rip open the innards of your Apple portable!

I'm a Bush Republican! (A poem) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106296)

I'm a Bush Republican
I got a small schling
I like to bomb niggahs
and make a lot o' bling

I got a bunch o' friends
in high up places
They helps me get dem
government graces.

You think I'm smart
I just know who's who
I couldn't run a fruit stand
without the red white & blue

I fancy myself
A brilliant tactician
But neither me nor m'buddies
Could even pass basic trainin'

See, I'm above all that
A fightin' and shootin'
I just say "Sic em!"
Then run the other direction

Don't need no history
Don't need no schoolin'
I got my ideology
To keep me a shootin'

If I get caught screwin'
Or tellin' wicked lies
"Hypocrisy!" I holler
And that justifies the crimes

Liberals! Faggots!
Commies and queers!
Socialist hippies
Full o' pussy tears!

I'll drop some crap
about Jesus the Christ
You'll buy it all
and vote for me twice

'Fact, Jesus is comin'!
Real soon, now!
So we gotta prop up Israel
That ol' sacred cow

Propaganda's m'friend
But I calls it "fact"
Even though I don't read
'Cept for Chick tracts

Facts? No! Don't need em here!
We're conservatives! We work on FEAR!
Don't like what we say?
Well FUCK YOU, bud!
We'll shove it down yer throat
and tell ya it's good!

what about for ibooks? (1)

machacker (772227) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106315)

I would love to find one to disasemble my 700 mhz g3 ibook.

Re:what about for ibooks? (2, Informative)

l0wland (463243) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106606)

I did that once with my iBook/600Mhz, because the harddisk had died. Be prepared to the fact that de iBook is made up out of A LOT of plastic, and damage is done easily! Disassembling is very difficult compared to other laptops.

What I used was the iBook Upgrade [geocities.com] website. But be aware that there is a lot of difference between the 12" and 14" versions, so screws are not always on the same location as shown on the pics!

free as in ... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106371)

someone explain the difference between free as in beer and free as in speech. please. (posting as AC to avoid the humiliation

Re:free as in ... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106396)

free as in beer means that it doesnt cost money. free as in speach is about freedom. freedom to copy the source code and modify it. freedom to redistribute it. those are just a few examples of free as in speech.

Dissassembly is easy (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9106376)

Just hit it with an axe.

Dissassembly Dead.......

Compared to Dell (5, Interesting)

Xenna (37238) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106401)

Dell has clear instructions on taking their laptops apart (and putting back together again) on their website.

When I bought my current X300, I considered a 12" powerbook as well, but the 3 year warranty period on the Dell made the difference.

OTOH, when the hard disk died the on-site engineer that came to fix it was so clumsy that I had to do some of the taking apart myself (that included finding the howto's on the site).

So, what exactly am I trying to say here..? ;-)

Re:Compared to Dell (1)

Vloris (775526) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106685)

So, what exactly am I trying to say here..? ;-)

Perhaps that Dell aims at users who can fix their laptop by them selves (by publishing complete (dis)assembly manuals on their official site) and Apple aims at the less technical people who want to send it back for every little problem?

More disassembly tricks for laptops, PDAs, ... (4, Informative)

wehe (135130) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106625)

Here are some more links to free disassembly instructions for laptops and notebooks [tuxmobil.org] (also links to service manuals), dissectioning HOWTOs for PDAs and handheld PCs [tuxmobil.org] (including information and pictures of JTAG ports), take apart notes for mobile (cell) phones [tuxmobil.org] and dismantling guides for mobile MP3 music players [tuxmobil.org] .
-- Keep your mobile running ;-)

Similar information for non-Apple products? (2, Interesting)

caitsith01 (606117) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106653)

Is anyone aware of a repository of similar information for other (non-Apple) products? This kind of stuff is always so hard to find on the net - and not just computers, it seems to be pretty hard to find info about all kinds of electronic devices that should be reasonably easy to fix with the appropriate guidance.

Two recent examples I have had: a Panasonic VCR, for which I could not find anything at all, and the wiring in a 1990 Mitsubishi, which I did eventually locate on some acid-induced Japanese website.

I'm glad this exists (1)

azav (469988) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106680)

The reason why is that in my g3 266 PB,G3 500 PB and G4 1G Ti, the hinges or clutches for the display lid have all snapped after the warrantee expired but through normal use. Apple fixed the two g3's free of cost but not the Ti. Makes you want to start a class action lawsuit. Refrigerator door hinges do not fail after a year of use, why should my laptop's?

With the replacement cost being out of my range, I've either got to live with it, fix it myself or find a good lawyer.

Any good lawyers out there?

That's why I like IBM.... (1)

grape jelly (193168) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106746)

...because you can find all their tech manuals online completely documenting proper assembly/disassembly instructions (step-by-step with pictures) along with all official part order numbers. And the best part is that it's pretty much guaranteed to be correct since it's from the manufacturer, as opposed to being the result of a third party reverse engineering the machine.

Manuals found here [ibm.com]

IBM/Dell et all service manuals (1)

tomcio.s (455520) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106956)

Hey, to all you saying that Apple does not publish good howtos (CIP - customer install procedures) on their site: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=262 61 (for 12" Pbook, browse around for more) [Watch out for random space]

I don't believe you should be doing a full disassembly yourself anyways. Any parts you'd need you'd still have to order from manufacturer (Dell, IBM, Apple, no diff) and for everything else Apple has neat, clean and precise per model instructions for you..

Apple Service Manuals (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 9 years ago | (#9106959)

Since this is basically reverse-engineered service manuals, anyone know where one can find the *official* ones? I've Googled a few, but most aren't up-to-date, and the one I use doesn't have the new manuals yet. (It had the new manuals for the refresh before last... they move so quickly!)

Anyone got any good links (other than paying $$$ to become a Apple-certified repair tech?).
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