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Novell To Release Ximian Connector Under GPL

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the free-software-creeping-in-and-leaping-in dept.

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ashmodai9 writes "According to this article on LinuxToday.com as well as this press release directly from their site, Novell announced that its "Connector for MS Exchange Server would be integrated into Evolution 2.0 and made available as open source, beginning today with the current Connector 1.4." Apparently, downloads will be available for the current version of Evolution starting May 14th." Thanks to reader crafterm, a snippet from Novell's Connector website: "With the Connector for Microsoft Exchange installed, Evolution functions as an Exchange client, enabling users to become full participants in company-wide group scheduling and other collaborative tasks. Linux and Solaris users can access public folders, Global Address Lists, email, calendar, task lists, and group scheduling information." Update: 05/11 17:58 GMT by T : In related news, ChiralSoftware writes "Codeweavers' long-awaited sequel to Crossover 2.1 is here. Just like the old version, the new version lets you install MS Office on Linux desktops. The new version adds support for Outlook XP, Lotus Notes and Microsoft Project."

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Apache? (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9118098)

But what does this have to do with Apache?

Re:Apache? (-1, Flamebait)

the grand asdfer (228243) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118115)

If I have to explain it to you, I doubt would not understand.

JESUS GODDAMN FUCKING SHITBONE CHRIST (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9118127)

apache.slashdot.org has the worst color scheme of all time.

Don't wait until the 14th. (4, Informative)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118106)

Download the source [ximian.com] now!

Re:Don't wait until the 14th. (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118174)

Download the source now!

You're my hero. I was just about to ask "But when will I see source instead of some RedHat 9 RPM?"

Re:Don't wait until the 14th. (5, Funny)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118280)

Heh, download it now, because you KNOW Microsoft is going to be pissed.

Excellent news for the FOSS community! (5, Insightful)

biglig2 (89374) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118113)

Another reason for not switching - the need to access an Exchange server - bites the dust.

Re:Excellent news for the FOSS community! (4, Insightful)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118160)

Furthermore, this creates a OSS project that now directly challeges Outlook, which will exempt users from most of Outlook's exploit issues...

Re:Excellent news for the FOSS community! (2, Informative)

javcrapa (594448) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118197)

When I tried using linux at government organizations, a big stipper was the exchange acces, now we have one less barrier! Thank ou Novell!

Re:Excellent news for the FOSS community! (2, Interesting)

bhmit1 (2270) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118375)

This day is getting better by the minute. I've been getting sick and tired of connecting to exchange via webmail in firefox (or whatever it's called now). They turn off half of the features (spell check, alarms, etc) if you aren't using IE. My company doesn't allow me to setup a rule to forward all my mail off site, so I've been pretty grumpy about company email for a long while.

On an aside, I'm interested in finding a good imap server for evolution that lets me store calendar and address entries on the server. Is that even possible? If not, what other options are there?

Apache? (1, Redundant)

sab39 (10510) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118116)

Ok, by the time I post this 300 other people will have said the same thing, but how come this is filed under "apache"?

Re:Apache? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9118156)

Why doesn't /. have a Linux section? It has an Apple section so why not a Linux one.

Re:Apache? (5, Funny)

rowanxmas (569908) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118179)

Why doesn't /. have a Linux section? It has an Apple section so why not a Linux one.

It does, it is just mislabled as "main".

Re:Apache? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9118194)

Becauze then 90% percent of all the articals would be classed as Linux

Man im going to get flammed

Re:Apache? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9118360)

Man im going to get flammed

Onely becauze yore speeling is aweful and yu dont seam too anderstand punktuashen

Re:Apache? (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118238)

Why doesn't /. have a Linux section? It has an Apple section so why not a Linux one.

Because then they'd start getting GNU/Complaints.

This story is properly filled under the GNU icon, but not the Linux icon because as RMS says it's "GNU/Linux" and Linux refers only to the name of the kernel piece. In order to even interface with Linux as an OS, you need some other shell on top of it.

Basically, there's no Linux section exactly for the same reason it took Google so long to reach icon status... there has to be enough stories to justify a section that apply to the topic coming out regularly.

Re:Apache? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9118181)

At least they didn't post a link to a world writable WiKi like last time [slashdot.org] ... That was a fun couple of hours :)

Re:Apache? (1)

ClippyHater (638515) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118237)

Darn, is Novell buying the Apache Group, too?!

Yay! (4, Interesting)

jargoone (166102) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118121)

This is great news! I put in a request a couple of months ago to have this purchased, and I just cancelled that request. It's nice to have one fewer barrier to acceptance.

Now I just have to convince our NT admin staff to turn on Outlook Web Access...

Obligatory Monty Python..... (3, Funny)

finse (63518) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118128)

And there was much rejoicing!!!!

Re:Obligatory Monty Python..... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9118246)

Before or after they had eaten Brave Sir Robins minstrels(sp?)

custom contacts form and categories? (4, Interesting)

ironhide (803) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118130)

I always wondered if custom contacts forms would work.
And what about categories? In Windows you have to add them to the registry - there is no such thing in Linux.

Novell owns Evolution?? (2, Interesting)

RedOregon (161027) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118135)

Did I miss something somewhere?

"Evolution is Novell's award-winning e-mail and workgroup client for Linux systems..."

When did Novell pick up ownership of Evolution??

Re:Novell owns Evolution?? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9118171)

When did Novell pick up ownership of Evolution?? ... when they bought Ximian?

Re:Novell owns Evolution?? (2, Informative)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118173)

It's been, what, a year now since Novell bought Ximian? Anyway, that's how it belongs to Novell now.

Re:Novell owns Evolution?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9118177)

When they bought Ximian.

Re:Novell owns Evolution?? (0, Redundant)

ClippyHater (638515) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118180)

Perhaps when they purchased Ximian [ximian.com] ?

Looks like Novell renamed Evolution to Novell Evolution.

Re:Novell owns Evolution?? (1, Informative)

Karamchand (607798) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118188)

When Novell bought Ximian.

Re:Novell owns Evolution?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9118195)

When they purchased Ximian.

Re:Novell owns Evolution?? (3, Informative)

arkhan_jg (618674) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118204)

Novell bought Ximian [slashdot.org] in August last year; Ximian wrote evolution, and the exchange connector plugin.

Re:Novell owns Evolution?? (0, Redundant)

rgmoore (133276) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118207)

When did Novell pick up ownership of Evolution??

When they bought Ximian.

Re:Novell owns Evolution?? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9118221)

About the same time they acquired Ximian?

Re:Novell owns Evolution?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9118232)

uh, when they bought ximian last summer.

Re:Novell owns Evolution?? (0, Redundant)

Zardus (464755) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118262)

Novel picked up ownership of Evolution when they bought ximian [slashdot.org] , the developer of Evolution, at the end of last summer. Since then they've also bought SuSE [slashdot.org] .

When they bought Ximian (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9118400)

Maybe you missed it in all the other replies to your question, but Novell got it when they bought Ximian. :o)

hehe (2, Funny)

SavedLinuXgeeK (769306) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118139)

Safest spot in the war, is closest to your enemy... or so they say... MS... watch yourself

Based on stolen code? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9118141)

Notice how this (probably illegal) connector to MS-Exchange comes on the heels of the Microsoft source code leak? The fallout from this might be the blow that finally sinks Novell.

Re:Based on stolen code? (2)

haydenth (588730) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118255)

What are you talking about? The connection was out LOOONG before the Microsoft code leak. Besides, it wasn't the entire operating system that was leaked, just parts.

Re:Based on stolen code? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9118310)

Ximian Connector has been available for a number of months, long before the source code leak.

Furthermore, Ximian (now acquired by Novell), is among the most upstanding open-source companies. They continually contribute to Gnome, and, as evidenced by this release, they are making a very determined effort to balance between providing source under the GPL, and supporting a prosperous business model.

I, for one, appluad Ximian and Novell.

Lotus/Domino? (1)

Sqwubbsy (723014) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118145)

Any chance of creating a connector for Notes/Domino?

And yes, I know about Lotus Workplace [ibm.com] already, just wondering if any alternatives might exist.

Re:Lotus/Domino? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9118333)

Should be possible -- you can either use the HTTP/XML interfaces (like Ximian connector), or you can use the "Notes C API" library that comes with Domino for Linux to communicate using the native protocol. Domino also has CORBA and Java RMI interfaces.

The big issue is that someone has to be bothered to write the stuff, but (unlike with Exchange 'MAPI' RPC) the tech & documentation is there.

I wonder what MS will think of this (4, Interesting)

existential goo (622017) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118148)

Now that Connector is open-source, it should be interesting to see what MS thinks of this as it will undoubtedly eat into their ability to sell Office as well as they do now.

I also wonder how long it will be before we see some kind of open-source version of Exchange Server itself, replacing MS across the board for Exchange!

Re:I wonder what MS will think of this (1)

DeathFire (713866) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118284)

I have been waiting for a good open source version of Exchange. Hopefully this helps push it some. I have looked at several opensource groupware products but none of them are integrated as nicely as Exchange.

Re:I wonder what MS will think of this (2, Insightful)

baudilus (665036) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118357)

none of them are integrated as nicely as Exchange.
read: "none of them is so easily infected by virii as Exchange"

Re:I wonder what MS will think of this (1)

DeathFire (713866) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118396)

I don't think it is problems with Exchange so much as it is with Outlook.

Re:I wonder what MS will think of this (3, Informative)

cube_slave (765396) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118290)

OpenGroupWare.org [opengroupware.org] is a great open source project tackling this effort.

Yay for OpenGroupWare.. Replace Exchange (1)

HighOrbit (631451) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118350)

IIRC - This was the one of the "missing pieces" that OpenGroupware [opengroupware.org] needs to make it an Exchange replacement. I think this is all Evolution needs to connect to the OpenGroupWare server.

Apparently though, Outlook itself will still require the "ZideLook" plug in to connect to the OGW server. But that is still a small price to pay in lieu of Exchange & MS-Win Server CALs.

Indeed: havoc in redmond (4, Interesting)

SlashDread (38969) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118362)

Wow.

This is THE single big reason to NOT switch away from Windows in Office Automation. THE. Wow.

I cannot believe, there are not 10.000 alarm bells ringing in redmond right now.

Notice the tarball already avail in source?

Notice how SOON it will be officially? This looks like a planned hit and run to me.

Prediction: Either MS treatens them and they pull it. But the source is out so -pbbbt-. Or expect the next big free software suit to arrive. And it will be pulled, but the source is out so -pbbbt-

If, on the other hand, MS plays nice about this, well, hell just froze over again.

"/Dread"

Great News (4, Interesting)

SmilingBoy (686281) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118149)

That's great news - and for those wondering why Novell would release this open source, whereas they could sell it for cash before: Remember, Novell is not primarily selling software but services. They hope to sell more services by freeing the Connector.

That's great news! (1, Interesting)

GMFTatsujin (239569) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118153)

Any word on when Novell will add, say, GroupWise integration? You know, the server suite they make that competes with Exchange?

Re:That's great news! (1)

GeekBoy (10877) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118199)

Yup, in Evolution 2.0. Read the article mate.

Re:That's great news! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9118219)

"Any word on when Novell will add, say, GroupWise integration?"

Yes, there is. RTFA!

Re:That's great news! (5, Informative)

SmilingBoy (686281) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118222)

Novell Evolution 2.0 coming in the third quarter with native GroupWise support

Re:That's great news! (2, Informative)

Flashbck (739237) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118225)

Even though I know that this is /. I am talking about....Did you even read the article?!?!?!?

In addition to support for Microsoft Exchange, Evolution 2.0 features integrated support for the newly available Novell GroupWise® 6.5 for Linux

Another step forward (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9118157)

in letting my boss let me use Linux at work.

Macs. (2, Interesting)

saintlupus (227599) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118164)

Now only there were some way to access full Exchange compatibility from OS X...

--saint

Re:Macs. (3, Informative)

chetohevia (109956) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118274)

Before this, Evolution was already available on OS X in the past (Install X11, then use Fink to get Evolution).

To complete it, just build yourself a Connector package.

It's been tested internally at Ximian and Novell in the past, although it was determined it wouldn't be worthwhile to release it as a product. But now that it's free, you can do it.

a.

Re:Macs. (1)

razmaspaz (568034) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118288)

Doesn't office 2k4 do this?
I know it is not out yet though.

Re:Macs. (2, Informative)

arkhan_jg (618674) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118320)

You could use evolution in fink [sourceforge.net] . It's only in CVS at the moment, but I'm sure that evolution 2 will be supported officially in fink eventually. Alternatively, it looks like you could compile it yourself, when it's released: unofficial ximian guide to evolution on osx [ximian.com]

Motives? (1)

blackmonday (607916) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118172)

What motives would Novell have to do this? I thought the exchange connector was the product that brought in the cash as far as Ximian was concerned? Maybe the revenues were so minimal they decided to just open it up?

On a related note, this opens the door for others to create exchange compatible software, things could get interesting.

Re:Motives? (1)

Jordi Bunster (724637) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118223)

My guess is that if you think about Ximian as a standalone company, it might not make sense to open Ximian Connector. But, since Novell considers Ximian only a part of a much bigger "let's go Linux" move, I guess they're rather make Ximian as popular, and as de facto as possible.

Re:Motives? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9118279)

Novell's main revenue stream is selling seat licences for their server products -- maybe they think that giving away Evolution/Connector will help them sell their directory products.

GPL doesn't preclude them from bundling this in with Groupware or NDS.

Also, when Ximian was independant they were a MS Business Partner, and Microsoft Sales would bring them in on Exchange deals for shops with Unix. I don't think Microsoft is going to hand any leads off to Novell, so maybe sales dried up.

Re:Motives? (3, Insightful)

nine-times (778537) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118353)

Novell is trying to set itself up to be the premire Linux distributer. The $60 dollars may mean something to Ximian, but it's peanuts to Novell compared to how much money they stand to make if Linux really starts taking off. Novell's thinking seems to be "What's good for Linux is good for Novell", hence the GPL'ing of YaST and Ximian-Connector.

Wonderful News (5, Interesting)

cube_slave (765396) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118184)

This is great. A couple developers here at work are trying to get Linux for their workstations. Hooking into Exchange was always a set back. IT did not want to pay for the connector, since it already paid for Outlook.

This is just one less hurdle to overcome. I aplaud Novel's decision.

Novell is really serious (1)

dokebi (624663) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118186)

I love the fact that they seem very serious about OSS. But anyone want to comment on how they plan to make money?

Re:Novell is really serious (4, Insightful)

dmoore (2449) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118327)

When Evolution 2.0 is released, it will have native support to connect to Novell GroupWise servers. Most likely, Novell plans to use Evolution as a vehicle for corporate adoption of GroupWise. Furthermore, since Connector is now free, corporations who currently run Outlook have an easy migration path to GroupWise because they can now install both servers, and access them freely with the same client. Once the bugs are worked out, they can discard Outlook and stick with GroupWise.

Wonderful, wonderful - alll we need is a server... (5, Insightful)

The Breeze (140484) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118187)

Compatibility with Exchange is wonderful, seriously.

The promise of exchange - integrated email & calendaring, locks a lot of companies in to MS software.

Say what you will, the ability for a clueless end-user to click "accept" on an email and automatically schedule themselves for a meeting is a Big Deal(tm).

Now, if only we had something affordable that could do that on the Linux server side, with clients on Linux, Windows and Mac platforms...and no, webmail doesn't cut it...

Is there anyone working on this?

-Steve

Re:Wonderful, wonderful - alll we need is a server (3, Informative)

LNX Flocki (459790) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118300)

Groupwise [novell.com] does the trick. I might not fall in your definition of affordable though...

Re:Wonderful, wonderful - alll we need is a server (1)

razmaspaz (568034) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118323)

Lotus Notes?

Re:Wonderful, wonderful - alll we need is a server (4, Informative)

LNX Flocki (459790) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118332)

Also this [opengroupware.org] might be of interest

Re:Wonderful, wonderful - alll we need is a server (4, Interesting)

miguel (7116) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118356)

You could write the server-side of the protocol this client expects for instance. That should not be too hard.

Specially if you use something like Mono (plug, plug, plug, plug).

Love,
Miguel

Cue Irrelevant Feature Complaints In.... (4, Insightful)

the_mad_poster (640772) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118189)

Okay, you have your connector for MS Exchange right there in the main app now. NOW what's stopping you from seriously considering OSS as a possibility? And, I'm not talking about the 1.2% of the population that needs some bizarre, esoteric feature in Outlook or Word or whatever that 98.8% of the rest of the population didn't even know exists.

Seriously, folks. Linux ain't ready for the home desktop market, but it's high time more people start considering its viability for the desktop in the workplace, especially as lightweight replacements for Wintops that don't do all that much more than word processing and scheduling.

Take most of that money you've been blowing on MCSEs and A/V software, and pay a few competent *nix admins to come in and properly set up the systems, and you just may well alleviate some, or most, of that downtime. How much TCO did YOUR company have to add to Windows from Sasser, anyway?

Re:Cue Irrelevant Feature Complaints In.... (5, Interesting)

macemoneta (154740) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118355)

How about one of the major features of Outlook that has been missing for three and a half years now? The notes/memos [ximian.com] feature? I, and many other use it extensively, but no matter how many times it has been requested (or who requests it; check the submitter on the listed bug), it has never made it into Evolution.

Re:Cue Irrelevant Feature Complaints In.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9118391)

"Linux ain't ready for the home desktop market, but it's high time more people start considering its viability for the desktop in the workplace"

Please explain why I should put up with problems with my work computer that I would not accept with my home computer. Linux will be ready for the workplace desktop when it's ready for the home desktop. Most people, especially the least technically inclined, aren't going to put up with a different interaction model at work than they have at home. Linux on the desktop has to hit both targets at once.

Re:Cue Irrelevant Feature Complaints In.... (1)

tiger99 (725715) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118392)

"Linux ain't ready for the home desktop market"

Are you serious? With no need for an exchange server at home to handle web browsing and pop3 email, and with much less risk of getting viruses than with M$ junk, I would have thought it was more likely to be even more viable at home than at work. OpenOffice.org meets all normal requirements in that department, Mozilla (or Opera, Konqueror...)are more up to date browsers than IE, etc.

But, you are right about everything else.

Paging Steve Jobs! (5, Interesting)

toupsie (88295) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118214)

Stevie-baby, here is your chance to get Mac OS X into the Enterprise! One of the major problems with integrating Macs in most large scale companies is the Exchange Mail Systems in use. In the past, most Mac OS X users had to load up classic to use the G-d awful Outlook client. The new Office 2004 Entourage client is still not as cool as Stickies, Mail, iCal and Address Book working as a team and the best part, those are built into the OS -- as the connector should be.

Re:Paging Steve Jobs! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9118307)

Sorry Mac baby, the connector will be GPL. Stevie only like BSD licensed software that he can steal.

Great news ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9118233)

I was very dissapointed when I saw that you had to buy Connector when using Evolution with Exchange.
Today I was actually checking out the prices , but didn't find it cheap enough.
Well, the price is OK now :D
Novell did a nice job taking over SuSE and Ximian, they have a lot of nice developement ahead(Mono and Evolution f.ex)

Will it be in FC2? (1)

gniv (600835) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118244)

Is it too late for Fedora Core 2 to include it? Probably. Oh well.

Awesome (5, Insightful)

ChiralSoftware (743411) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118247)

Exchange is probably MS' best and most important product that has no Open Source equivalent. I am aware of Kolab [kolab.org] and some other works-in-progress, but none of these are even close to Exchange yet. Exchange has more than its fair share of security problems, but what it does, it does well. Now with Connector being released GPL, that will have two consequences: The free downloadable version of Evolution will be able to use Exchange's features, and hopefully other OS tools like Koffice/Kmail will pick up those abilities, too. Also, having an open source client side might help them in getting an open source server side move faster. Now I just wish that Evolution would be properly integrated with KDE. They are doing it with OOo [openoffice.org] ...

I'm a full-time desktop Linux user, and not just for coding, but for every aspect of business, so all this stuff matters to me. This week is going to be a great week in Desktop Linux: Suse 9.1 and Crossover 3 are both coming out at about the same time, and both are huge improvements over what came before.

-------
WAP news [chiralsoftware.net]

Re:Awesome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9118370)

"Exchange is probably MS' best and most important product that has no Open Source equivalent."

You answered my question before I asked it.. Thanks!

Re:Awesome (1, Interesting)

Gilesx (525831) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118378)

"Now I just wish that Evolution would be properly integrated with KDE. They are doing it with OOo..."

I seriously doubt that's going to happen. For one, Evolution 2 will have parts of C# in it, and we all know how KDE feel about C#...

I see this announcement as yet another nail in the KDE coffin. Novell will want to push Mono big style and are keen to switch Evolution to Mono fully to lock out Sun, who obviously will not include a direct competitor to Java in their desktop distribution. The side effect is that this also locks out KDE, because as witnessed on the KDE developer forums recently, the attitudes of most KDE developers seem to be anti-sematic MS Hating idealists. If Evolution will not work without C#, that's yet ANOTHER library you have to include with KDE - starting to get bloaty now huh?

Coupled with the cross platform for-profit app development licensing restrictions, *and* the Ximian connector now being released for free, this spells a big win for Gnome, and Ximian specifically, and an opportunity missed for KDE. When you also lastly consider that Evolution is almost certainly the most powerful, widely used and efficent free GUI mail app, you really have to fear for the future of KDE and their now apparently hobbyist desktop.

Hmmmm (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9118248)

I'm just hoping to see evolution ported to windows soonish. And heck, seeing the ximian connector integrated into thunderbird would be very cool as well.

Replacement for Exchange? (1)

YodaToo (776221) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118256)

Anyone working on emulating the groupware functionality of Exchange? Would be great to see a Linux solution here and then work on an Outlook plugin for the Linux server.

Good for KDE folks, too (4, Interesting)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118259)

I use KDE, so Kontact integrates better with the rest of my desktop than does Evolution. However, this is bound to be good for me, too, since the KDE folks can presumably use this to improve KMail's Exchange support. Oh, to be able to view the company calendar without booting into XP. That would be very, very nice.

Novell, you seriously rock. I know you're doing this for business reasons, but you just bought a lood of goodwill from a bunch of folks in IT departments. Thank you!

OT harp: Now, if KMail would just add IMAP filtering... ;-)

Re:Good for KDE folks, too (5, Informative)

Per Wigren (5315) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118398)

Now, if KMail would just add IMAP filtering... ;-)

From the KDE 3.3 Release Plan [kde.org] :

Redesign filters to use Sieve internally. Allow editing of Sieve scripts on IMAP servers to get rid of the bug reports a la "KMail doesn't support IMAP folders for fitering"

Still one step behind (1)

mgkimsal2 (200677) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118261)

I'm not supposed to use it here since the move to Exchange 2003 because Evolution doesn't support NTLM2. Sigh... :(

Cached Mode? (3, Informative)

Mantrid (250133) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118270)

Well we ended up with an Exchange 2003/Outlook 2003 solution here...an expensive solution, but once they spent the money - well It's actually been quite good! Active Directory seems to be a bit of a headache ;) But Exchange/Outlook really is running well! Two things stand out (well having different mail views in OL2K3 is awesome - for example having a view of "follow up" items, or "unread" items separate from the folders they are in):

One is cached mode - no more online/offline dicking around - it really works *well*. I have not had any screwy problems as of yet. (Basically Outlook caches your email - a seamless synchronization of your folders and it automatically detects a connected state)

The other thing is the RPC over HTTP - so I can get full exchange functionality over the internet, just as if I was using IMAP or POP standards, but with the full exchange server deal: contacts, calendars etc. It's really been handy - no opening VPN connections or using webmail to check my work mail on my laptop.

Are these two features available with Novell's solution? Even if they aren't I'm sure they will be. And having the option is great for the future even though, we are on the MS road for the time being. But for now, Exchange 2003 has worked very well, certainly better than our Linux pilot (Debian/FetchMail/Exim etc. with Thunderbird) - but our Linux pilot was kneecapped by having to operate in a mixed environment (which these new connectors would fix), and obviously going with Exchange cost us a whole lot more money! (Like $20K or thereabouts instead of free - consulting and hardware fees would've been required in both cases - and the Linux consulting was a lot cheaper believe it or not)

Re:Cached Mode? (1)

toupsie (88295) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118366)

The other thing is the RPC over HTTP

I have to agree that RPC over HTTP rox. No more ugly OWA!

Silliness (4, Insightful)

Rick Zeman (15628) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118287)

Novell has in public beta a GroupWise client for Linux and Mac OS X...and then they give away a connector to make a free client talk to the enemy's mail/calendaring system?

Makes me glad I don't have Novell stock. GroupWise earns them money. This does what?

Keep adding things to Apache... (-1, Offtopic)

Power Everywhere (778645) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118291)

...and you'll have an entire operating system on your hands.

Lack of feature? (1, Funny)

silex_reloaded (713469) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118293)

... enabling users to become full participants in company-wide group scheduling and other collaborative tasks.

But they didn't mention if it also enables users to become full participants in company-wide worm spreading, which is the most expected feature.

Thank you, Novell (4, Interesting)

JediTrainer (314273) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118302)

I'd just like to throw that in. I've been waiting for ages and now it's actually possible.

I can actually use my Linux box at work, without relying on my Windows box.

In my particular company, we use Exchange. While I *have* been able to get IE working with Wine, I haven't had any luck with Outlook at all - I need it for its calendar, which everyone else uses. With Evolution plus the connector, I can now throw away my old dusty NT box for good!

We've needed this for a long time, and I am very grateful for this.

Not for Exchange 5/5.5... (2, Interesting)

Spoing (152917) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118363)

I've admined 5.5 over the past few years...and can't get management to switch over to OSS or even newer versions of Exchange that Connector supports. Very annoying...though I do use Evolution to read mail.

RPC over HTTPS support? (1)

aardwolf204 (630780) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118368)

This is great news but does it support RPC over HTTPS? Its really tricky to get working in Exchange 2003 but once you've got it working its wonderful (Good Tutorial [msexchange.org] ). After being a POP3 guy for 8 years I've jumped ship for MAPI. I know I'll get modded down for betraying IMAP4, which I considered as I'm not tied to Outlook, but my company is.

Vi ate my notepad

Great news (2, Insightful)

killmister (686470) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118380)

Really great news ! I decided to migrate to SUSE 9.1 and was very close as regards bying the Connector. Now I will wait till Novel will relese their desktop. THis is really a huge step towards interoperability in large corporations where people use MS server applications.

Open SUSE and the new Distro scenario (5, Interesting)

InodoroPereyra (514794) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118383)

Is it me ? I have the feeling that if Novell keeps opening up (as in GPL) the core of SUSE, then the (perhaps) most polished distro (according to reviews from people I respect) will become extremely popular.

The big picture for commercial distros a couple years back was:

  • RedHat, open but not very user friendly.
  • Mandrake, even more open (in its development cycle), more polished and user friendly, not as stable.
  • SuSE, polished, stable, professional, user friendly, but with closed source bits preventing widespread use.

With RedHat going Fedora (and resigning its mindshare), it wasn't clear what the new scenario sould be. Mandrake was in my mind the great candidate to be the king of the overall distro (from freelading and home users through enterprise solutions), assuming they released more stable corporate versions.

Mandrake did its homework, and they announced a new development strategy with a community release and a later, more stable official release. They probably should add a slower (once a year) corporate option

But now Novell buys SUSE, opens it up and kicks the hell out of the Chess board. RedHat backs up and announces their (late) return to the desktop. Things are getting hot my friends :-)

OpenGroupware.org? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9118394)

is this [opengroupware.org] useless now?

Groupware Standard (2, Interesting)

ash*embers (725483) | more than 10 years ago | (#9118404)

If Evolution then connects to Suse's Openexchange Server [suse.com] as seamlessly as to M$'s, then suddenly Microsoft Exchange Server is the unwitting new standard in groupware servers.
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