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Freecache

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the building-a-better-mousetrap dept.

The Internet 258

TonkaTown writes "Finally the solution for slashdotting, or just the poor man's Akamai? Freecache from the Internet Archive aims to bring easy to use distributed web caching to everyone. If you've a file that you think will be popular, but far too popular for your isp's bandwidth limits, you can just serve it as http://freecache.org/http://your.site/yourfile instead of the traditional http://your.site/yourfile and Freecache will do all the heavy lifting for you. Plus your users get the advantage of swiftly pulling the file from a nearby cache rather than it creeping off your overloaded webserver."

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258 comments

Freec ache (-1, Offtopic)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129032)

Pronounced "freak-ache". Give me some asperin now.

Re:Freec ache (2, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129248)

Apparently, it's pronounced "free-crash" right now...

cache (1)

Bombah (572185) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129035)

F1R5T P05T

Not solution to slashdot effect, but still great! (4, Insightful)

attaboy (689931) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129036)


Well, it won't be the solution to Slashdotting, as you can't cache a whole site.

Please note that you cannot submit a whole site to FreeCache as in http://freecache.org/http://www.rocklobsters.com/ This will not work as only index.html will be cached. You have to prefix every item that you want to have cached seperately.

You can cache an HTML page (index.html) but all the images will pull from the local machine. You could cache each image separately, but the change would have to be made in the site's HTML.

On the other hand, I don't imagine it would be hard to write some kind of proxy script that grabs the page and changes the HTML to point to freecache SRCs for each image/movie... you could then point to a freecache of that page...

And of course, this all breaks the second somebody has a site that is heavily CGI based.

Still, it's a start. I'll be sure to use it if I ever submit any site of my own to Slashdot ;-) Many thanks to the guys at the Internet Archive for setting this up. You rock!


Some questions (4, Interesting)

GillBates0 (664202) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129172)

Definitely not an adequate solution, given it's current condition: slashdotted to hell.

I have a few questions though, which I guess may be answered on the website:

1. Can users submit/upload files to be hosted on their website.

2. Who's responsible for ensuring that it doesn't turn into a pr0n/warez stash?

3. Can users request removal of cached content (something not possible with the Google cache).

Re:Not solution to slashdot effect, but still grea (4, Interesting)

dan_sdot (721837) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129191)

Yes, but the thing that you are not considering is that probably 75% the slashdot effect is just people looking at the link for about 5 seconds, and then closing the page and moving on the the next story. This means no browsing, meaning that it is not important if the whole page is not up there. And as far as pictures go, I would guess that alot of people click on the link, even though they are not too interested, see the text, and realize that they are _really_ not interested. So they close the page before they even need pictures.

In other words, the important stuff, like the rest of the site and the pictures, will be resources only used on those that really care, while those that don't get to see a flash of the text for a second to get a really general idea.

After all, thats what the slashdot effect is, a whole bunch of people that don't really care that much, but want a quick, 5 second look at it.

Re:Not solution to slashdot effect, but still grea (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9129217)

I think they're looking more for serving big files, not html and inline images. Smallest file size is 5mb.

Re:Not solution to slashdot effect, but still grea (1)

attaboy (689931) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129224)


I should clarify that I mean this will not be the solution to the effect caused by "surprise-slashdotting" where the site owners are not notified ahead of time.

If a savvy site owner is notified by slashdot editors before being listed, they might be able to take some preventive action.

I don't think that currently happens very often, though.

Re:Not solution to slashdot effect (5, Informative)

lxdbxr (655786) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129257)

Also only works for large files unless this FAQ [archive.org] is out of date:
What files are being served by FreeCache?

FreeCache can only serve files that are on a web site. If the link to a file on that web site goes away, so will the file in the FreeCaches. Also, there is a minimum size requirement. We don't bother with files smaller than 5MB, as the saved bandwidth does not outweight the protocol overhead in those cases.

Re:Not solution to slashdot effect, but still grea (1)

javatips (66293) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129291)

The thing is supposed to be used to cache large files. It has not been build to cache web pages.


Maybe, when the site is no longer slashdotted, people will be able to get a look at their FAQ and see that (the submitter should have done that instead of submitting stuff that he just discovered, even if it has been availlable for a long time, without even checking for it's real purpose).

Alternative solution (3, Interesting)

Ryvar (122400) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129307)

Create a file format that is basically just the web page plus dependent files tar'd and gzip'd - then release browser plugins that automatically take any file with the correct extention, and seamlessly ungzip/untar it to the local cache before displaying it like normal - I have yet to understand why nobody has combined this basic idea with BitTorrent. Seems like you could get a lot of mileage with it.

Re:Not solution to slashdot effect, but still grea (2, Insightful)

ratboy666 (104074) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129361)

Actually, index.html would only be cached if it is 5MB or greater in size.

Which is unlikely. So it won't be cached. Nor will the PNG/GIFs.

Ratboy

Re:Not solution to slashdot effect, but still grea (1)

Saint Stephen (19450) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129376)

Just zip up a tarball/archive of your site and submit that to slashdot.

I'm a Bush Republican! (A poem) (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9129040)

I'm a Bush Republican
I got a small schling
I like to bomb niggahs
and make a lot o' bling

I got a bunch o' friends
in high up places
They helps me get dem
government graces.

You think I'm smart
I just know who's who
I couldn't run a fruit stand
without the red white & blue

I fancy myself
A brilliant tactician
But neither me nor m'buddies
Could even pass basic trainin'

See, I'm above all that
A fightin' and shootin'
I just say "Sic em!"
Then run the other direction

Don't need no history
Don't need no schoolin'
I got my ideology
To keep me a shootin'

If I get caught screwin'
Or tellin' wicked lies
"Hypocrisy!" I holler
And that justifies the crimes

Liberals! Faggots!
Commies and queers!
Socialist hippies
Full o' pussy tears!

I'll drop some crap
about Jesus the Christ
You'll buy it all
and vote for me twice

'Fact, Jesus is comin'!
Real soon, now!
So we gotta prop up Israel
That ol' sacred cow

Propaganda's m'friend
But I calls it "fact"
Even though I don't read
'Cept for Chick tracts

Facts? No! Don't need em here!
We're conservatives! We work on FEAR!
Don't like what we say?
Well FUCK YOU, bud!
We'll shove it down yer throat
and tell ya it's good!

Re:I'm a Bush Republican! (A poem) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9129127)

The most beautiful thing about this is that a few minor words changes make it completely applicable to democrats too! Yay, slavish partisanship!

Re:I'm a Bush Republican! (A poem) (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9129192)

Tis a thing of beauty. Republicans are the biggest assholes and we need to find them all and smoke 'em out of the U.S.A. They are the cause of every problem that every man, woman and child in this country has right now. November is coming. Get ready to rally and vote the heinous criminal dictator George W. Bush out of power!!! He's not my president. I didn't vote for him.

Re:I'm a Bush Republican! (A poem) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9129258)

"He's not my president. I didn't vote for him"

The statement I didn't vote for him is true of most Americans for all Presidents. For every one of them, only a small percentage of Americans voted for them. However, under the law of the land, "He's your President" whether or not you voted for him or not. That is how it works.

Smart! (1)

Elpacoloco (69306) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129042)

How many times have we wanted to see a website, except that it has been slashdotted and cannot see us now?

Caching is intelligent because we are interested in the content itself rather than the connection to that particular computer.

Re:Smart Smart (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9129270)

Speaking of wanting to see a website that has been /.ed, does anyone have a link to the Beheading video of that Berg chap?

Please provide a non /.ed link

Re:Smart! (2, Funny)

ozric99 (162412) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129318)

How many times have we wanted to see a website, except that it has been slashdotted and cannot see us now?

Let me guess.. you're posting this from soviet russia?

In Soviet Russia... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9129339)

In Soviet Russia, website /.s YOU!!!

USHERING IN A NEW ERA OF KARMA-WHORING (4, Funny)

akedia (665196) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129047)

In case of Slashdotting, here's a Freecache link. [freecache.org]

Re:USHERING IN A NEW ERA OF KARMA-WHORING (4, Funny)

betelgeuse-4 (745816) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129156)

It seems the original link isn't slashdotted, but yours is.

Re:USHERING IN A NEW ERA OF KARMA-WHORING (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9129173)

+6 Hilarious.

Re:USHERING IN A NEW ERA OF KARMA-WHORING (1)

jonfromspace (179394) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129179)

Wow... and it appears to be /.ed already?

Re:USHERING IN A NEW ERA OF KARMA-WHORING (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9129193)

No, sorry, just tested. Seems to be slashdotted.

Re:USHERING IN A NEW ERA OF KARMA-WHORING (1)

diggem (74763) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129196)

Yeahbut...

From the STATUS page linked off the main page from the story:

"This page is offline. Sorry for the inconvenience."

D'oh! Slashdotted! :) They need more participants, methinks.

Enquiring minds ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9129289)

If Slashdot cached one of its many duplicate stories there and then linked to it in the story, after several people clicked the link would one:
1) get a massive feedback loop bringing down the entire internet
2) get cold fusion?
3) profit?

Re:USHERING IN A NEW ERA OF KARMA-WHORING (1)

QuijiboIsAWord (715586) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129388)

Here, in case your comment gets /.'d I cached [freecache.org] it.

GNAA ANNOUNCES NEW CELEBRITY MEMBER (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9129048)

GNAA ANNOUNCES NEW CELEBRITY MEMBER
Altise - GNAA, Nigeria.
Arf Arf. International rap sensation Earl 'DMX' Simmons has announce that he swings his gat on the other side of the hood. Our journalists tried to contact the star, whose first four albums debuted at the top of the charts, to find out what his family thought.

"My wife is obviously devastated that the whole marriage was a sham. As expected, she wants a divorce and custody of the kids, who don't know yet. The truth is I didn't do as many shows as she was led to believe. I am gay and I am now proud after finding out about an organization like the GNAA [peoplesprimary.com] which has shown me that's there are many black men just like myself who are gay. It don't make a matter in my music and my movies. Truth is, I've been gay for nineteen years. If haters wanna fight me, they can fight these tears. I'm tired of weak ass niggas who can't deal. It's a fact of life and X [defjam.com] is still X [xgongivit2ya.com] and will always be X [dickcream.com] . I'm glad to be on board with the GNAA."

The GNAA welcomes the hip hop sensation and creator of hit tracks such as "X Gon Giv It 2 Ya" and "Where da hood at?" with open arms. A celebrity of this magnitude should provide some great publicity for the GNAA and get their name out even more.

Gay/Straight by DMX

I'm ready for lovin, cause I give head really well.
Ever since I was 7,
I've had a gay story to tell.
You see, anal is great,
and it's why I'm still givin,
head to you,
and I'm a keep on givin.
The bravery of a man's ass is slavery,
which defines the man I was made to be,
cause I'm a nigga who's goin down in history.

About GNAA
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the first organization which
gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for one common goal - being GAY NIGGERS.

Are you GAY [klerck.org] ?
Are you a NIGGER [mugshots.org] ?
Are you a GAY NIGGER [gay-sex-access.com] ?

If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) might be exactly what you've been looking for!
Join GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) today, and enjoy all the benefits of being a full-time GNAA member.
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the fastest-growing GAY NIGGER community with THOUSANDS of members all over United States of America. You, too, can be a part of GNAA if you join today!

Why not? It's quick and easy - only 3 simple steps!

First, you have to obtain a copy of GAY NIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE THE MOVIE [imdb.com] and watch it.

Second, you need to succeed in posting a GNAA "first post" on slashdot.org [slashdot.org] , a popular "news for trolls" website

Third, you need to join the official GNAA irc channel #GNAA on EFNet, and apply for membership.
Talk to one of the ops or any of the other members in the channel to sign up today!

If you are having trouble locating #GNAA, the official GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA irc channel, you might be on a wrong irc network. The correct network is EFNet, and you can connect to irc.secsup.org or irc.isprime.com as one of the EFNet servers.
If you do not have an IRC client handy, you are free to use the GNAA Java IRC client by clicking here [nero-online.org] .

If you have mod points and would like to support GNAA, please moderate this post up.
By moderating this post as "Underrated", you cannot be Meta-Moderated! Please consider this.

.________________________________________________. fucking
| ______________________________________._a,____ | CmdrTaco
| _______a_._______a_______aj#0s_____aWY!400.___ | will
| __ad#7!!*P____a.d#0a____#!-_#0i___.#!__W#0#___ | he ever learn that
| _j#'_.00#,___4#dP_"#,__j#,__0#Wi___*00P!_"#L,_ | GNAA is totally
| _"#ga#9!01___"#01__40,_"4Lj#!_4#g_________"01_ | unstoppable? Teamed
| ________"#,___*@`__-N#____`___-!^_____________ | up with the other troll groups,
| _________#1__________?________________________ | GNAA will absolutely own
| _________j1___________________________________ | the shitty place that is slashdot.
| ____a,___jk_GAY_NIGGER_ASSOCIATION_OF_AMERICA_ | Just remember, the longer the lines are,
| ____!4yaa#l___________________________________ | the smaller CmdrTaco's penis.
| ______-"!^____________________________________ | This logo is (C) 2003, 2004 GNAA [idge.net]
` _______________________________________________'

(C) GNAA 2004

Surviving Slashdotting through Freecache (4, Funny)

j0keralpha (713423) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129050)

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id= 8764

He was apparently /.'d... and hes apologizing for the load.

Oh man... (0, Redundant)

Botchka (589180) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129053)

Here comes the test in....5.....4.....3.....

Grrrr (1)

darth_MALL (657218) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129054)

Slashdotted already...anyone have a link to the cache?

Can I be the first??? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9129056)

everyone's favorite site! [freecache.org]

Re:Can I be the first??? (1)

javcrapa (594448) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129118)

umm, but lets put something that you would actually like to see, so we can test if that service won't be /.ed also

Cache owner's liability (3, Interesting)

RobertB-DC (622190) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129058)

As I understand the setup, the ideal would be for ISPs to install this system on their networks like AOL's infernal content caching, except that it would only cache what the site owner wants cached. It seems like anyone with a static IP could join in the fun, too.

But would they? I saw this on the new service's message forum [archive.org]
I was perusing the content in my cache and checking the detailed status page and I noticed illegal content containing videos in one of the caches I run. What is freecache.org doing to stop people from mirroring illegal content. I currently run 2 fairly heavily used caches and it looks like only one of them had illegal content. I cleared the cache to purge the problem, but the user just abused the service again by uploading the content again. I know freecache.org cannot be responsible for uploaded content, but there has to be some sort of content management system to make sure freecache doesn't turn into just another way to hide illegal content.

Whether you believe this guy's story [slashdot.org] or not, it seems like this could subject small ISPs to the sort of problems that P2P has brought to regular users. It's not going to matter who's right -- just the idea of having to go to court over content physically residing on your server is a risk I don't see a marginal ISP being willing to take.

So we're left with the folks with static IP addresses. They're in even more trouble if John Ashcroft decides to send his boyz over to check for "enemy combatants" at your IP address.

With the current state of affairs in the US, and the personal risk involved, I'd have to pass on this cool concept.

Re:Cache owner's liability (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9129273)

I was perusing the content in my cache and checking the detailed status page and I noticed illegal content containing videos in one of the caches I run.

Heh, wait till the guy sees what sort of stuff is on his USENET server.

GNAA ANNOUNCES NEW CELEBRITY MEMBER (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9129059)

GNAA ANNOUNCES NEW CELEBRITY MEMBER
Altise - GNAA, Nigeria.
Arf Arf. International rap sensation Earl 'DMX' Simmons has announce that he swings his gat on the other side of the hood. Our journalists tried to contact the star, whose first four albums debuted at the top of the charts, to find out what his family thought.

"My wife is obviously devastated that the whole marriage was a sham. As expected, she wants a divorce and custody of the kids, who don't know yet. The truth is I didn't do as many shows as she was led to believe. I am gay and I am now proud after finding out about an organization like the GNAA [peoplesprimary.com] which has shown me that's there are many black men just like myself who are gay. It don't make a matter in my music and my movies. Truth is, I've been gay for nineteen years. If haters wanna fight me, they can fight these tears. I'm tired of weak ass niggas who can't deal. It's a fact of life and X [defjam.com] is still X [xgongivit2ya.com] and will always be X [dickcream.com] . I'm glad to be on board with the GNAA."

The GNAA welcomes the hip hop sensation and creator of hit tracks such as "X Gon Giv It 2 Ya" and "Where da hood at?" with open arms. A celebrity of this magnitude should provide some great publicity for the GNAA and get their name out even more.

Gay/Straight by DMX

I'm ready for lovin, cause I give head really well.
Ever since I was 7,
I've had a gay story to tell.
You see, anal is great,
and it's why I'm still givin,
head to you,
and I'm a keep on givin.
The bravery of a man's ass is slavery,
which defines the man I was made to be,
cause I'm a nigga who's goin down in history.

About GNAA
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the first organization which
gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for one common goal - being GAY NIGGERS.

Are you GAY [klerck.org] ?
Are you a NIGGER [mugshots.org] ?
Are you a GAY NIGGER [gay-sex-access.com] ?

If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) might be exactly what you've been looking for!
Join GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) today, and enjoy all the benefits of being a full-time GNAA member.
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the fastest-growing GAY NIGGER community with THOUSANDS of members all over United States of America. You, too, can be a part of GNAA if you join today!

Why not? It's quick and easy - only 3 simple steps!

First, you have to obtain a copy of GAY NIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE THE MOVIE [imdb.com] and watch it.

Second, you need to succeed in posting a GNAA "first post" on slashdot.org [slashdot.org] , a popular "news for trolls" website

Third, you need to join the official GNAA irc channel #GNAA on EFNet, and apply for membership.
Talk to one of the ops or any of the other members in the channel to sign up today!

If you are having trouble locating #GNAA, the official GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA irc channel, you might be on a wrong irc network. The correct network is EFNet, and you can connect to irc.secsup.org or irc.isprime.com as one of the EFNet servers.
If you do not have an IRC client handy, you are free to use the GNAA Java IRC client by clicking here [nero-online.org] .

If you have mod points and would like to support GNAA, please moderate this post up.
By moderating this post as "Underrated", you cannot be Meta-Moderated! Please consider this.

.________________________________________________. fucking
| ______________________________________._a,____ | CmdrTaco
| _______a_._______a_______aj#0s_____aWY!400.___ | will
| __ad#7!!*P____a.d#0a____#!-_#0i___.#!__W#0#___ | he ever learn that
| _j#'_.00#,___4#dP_"#,__j#,__0#Wi___*00P!_"#L,_ | GNAA is totally
| _"#ga#9!01___"#01__40,_"4Lj#!_4#g_________"01_ | unstoppable? Teamed
| ________"#,___*@`__-N#____`___-!^_____________ | up with the other troll groups,
| _________#1__________?________________________ | GNAA will absolutely own
| _________j1___________________________________ | the shitty place that is slashdot.
| ____a,___jk_GAY_NIGGER_ASSOCIATION_OF_AMERICA_ | Just remember, the longer the lines are,
| ____!4yaa#l___________________________________ | the smaller CmdrTaco's penis.
| ______-"!^____________________________________ | This logo is (C) 2003, 2004 GNAA [idge.net]
` _______________________________________________'

(C) GNAA 2004

lets see. (0, Redundant)

holzp (87423) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129060)

is freecache freecached? here comes the first test!

Re:lets see. (1)

Zaiff Urgulbunger (591514) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129379)

Damn, I'm too late... its fallen over already!!
Nothing can survive the power of slashdot it seems!

Putting freecache to the test (5, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129064)

http://freecache.org/http://your.site/yourfile

http://freecache.org/http://freecache.org/http://f reecache.org [freecache.org]

seems to piss it off slightly. I wonder why...

Re:Putting freecache to the test (2, Funny)

Speare (84249) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129406)

http://freecache.org/ http://freecache.org/ http://freecache.org

I'm sure he would have made a deeper recursion, but the Slashdot lameness filter was able to compress it too efficiently.

The business model is astounding... (3, Insightful)

Seoulstriker (748895) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129071)

1. Buy massive amounts of bandwidth
2. Host extremely popular web sites
3. ???
4. PROFIT!!!

How are they supposed to be making money on this?

Re:The business model is astounding... (3, Funny)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129161)

Volume!

Re:The business model is astounding... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9129347)

I know you're trying to be funny, but why does everyone always come back to the whole "making money" bullshit eventually? Haven't we seen that profit motive destroys pretty much anything useful? The internet was here before places like AOL and MSN raped it and brainwashed it. Before the McInternet, there was a real, useful resource that had great information on it. Now it's loaded with crap. If you want to see the end-result of profit motive, just go look at your inbox and see how much spam you got today. If you didn't get spam, then see how much you are having to pay to not get spam. However, if you take the profit motive away and people just do things out of a desire to see them get done right, then you can get great things. Like Linux. I really hate people who mindlessly think that everything needs to make money in order to be worthwhile. Forget money and look at the long line of important discoveries and inventions that WEREN'T driven by profit motive: Fire, The Wheel, Electricity. They were all made out of necessity. Money had nothing to do with it. Forget about money folks, it's overrated. Instead think about the non-monetary benefits you can get out of non-profit things.

Re:The business model is astounding... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9129389)

"Haven't we seen that profit motive destroys pretty much anything useful?"

No. In fact, it makes many useful things.

"Before the McInternet, there was a real, useful resource that had great information on it"

No, before it was commercialized, there was hardly anything on it.

"Fire, The Wheel, Electricity"

You said that profit destroys everything. Well, we still have fire, the wheel, and electricity, now, don't we? And thanks to the profit motive, we have iPods, "The Simpsons", and allergy medicines.

Re:The business model is astounding... (1)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129399)

OK, maybe they don't want the money, you have a point there. But they *need* the money to at least pay the bandwidth bills. We aren't living in a dream world after all, and neither is FreeCache.

Or use Google... (3, Informative)

StevenMaurer (115071) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129073)

If the referrer is slashdot, return a link to the google cache of your page element, rather than the actual element.

I trust google to be faster than these guys.

Re:Or use Google... (4, Insightful)

hendridm (302246) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129206)

Yeah, that's fine for sites who can expect the possibility of being linked to, but those sites can often handle the load anyway. It those small sites (Geocities) hosted on some guys cable modem describing how he modded his mom's vibrator into a CD player that won't make it. Often times, myself included, these people don't really think about or expect to be linked to.

Re:Or use Google... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9129285)

Mod Parent +1, Kickass Mallrats Reference!

Re:Or use Google... (3, Insightful)

andycal (127447) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129359)

The problem with that is that if it's new content google won't have it yet. Freecache could be a good way of surviving a /.ing , but the problem ( as with all caches) is that the server then doesn't get a accurate count of hits. This matters to some people, particularly people who advertise.

The cool thing here is that you can say, "Cache just these things" and still have your server supply the html but not the images (or movies).

But you still have to have a decent pipe.

Taking bets.... (2, Interesting)

JoeLinux (20366) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129080)

How much you wanna bet this is going to become a haven for bit-torrent seeds? Put 'em up, get 'em to people, get it started, then take 'em down.

Great (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9129084)

Perfect for the \. effect!

Beheading video (-1, Offtopic)

nysus (162232) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129085)

Hey, maybe the ogrish.com is using this. They seem to be serving the beheading video, no prob. Let's see if it survives a slashdotting. See www.ogrish.com [ogrish.com]

In case it gets Slashdotted... (-1, Redundant)

athakur999 (44340) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129087)

Here is a cache of the original site:
http://www.freecache.org/http://www.freecache.org/ [freecache.org]

Re:In case it gets Slashdotted... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9129134)

Too late buddy [slashdot.org] . You shall now be modded redundant...

Won't help slashdotting (0, Troll)

FattMattP (86246) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129099)

It won't help a slashdotting because the editors still refuse to contact linked sites ahead of time. They won't know to mirror their content on Freecache.

WILL Help slashdotting (3, Insightful)

zipwow (1695) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129238)

It's not about the editors, it's about the authors. You, as an author, can use the freecache service by using their style links in your pages. It doesn't cost you anything to do it, and it's pretty easy to do.

It's not perfect, it will certainly not be used by everyone. Still it's something you can do defensively, especially if you're serving mpegs of your latest case mod or bear attack or whatever.

-Zipwow

Re:Won't help slashdotting (1)

blackmonday (607916) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129288)

I don't think the slashdot editors have any obligation to notify the site owners. The page is on the Internet, it's a public thing. Plus, imagine some system where they get notified, contact adclick or whatever and start serving more ads to attract the slashdot crowd (profit!). If it's anyone's responsibility, it lies with the person that submitted the article to slashdot in the first place.

Whoa (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9129103)

If you do:

http://freecache.org/http://freecache.org/...

I bet all the atoms in the universe would simultaneously explode. Kids, let's be careful out there.

i've used freecache before (2, Interesting)

Comsn (686413) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129107)

its pretty good. lots of the servers are swamped tho, need more of them, anyone can run a freecache 'node'. its almost like freenet, cept not anonymous.

too bad the status seems to be down, its fun to see what clips/games/demo/patches are going around.

Does it Cache Immediately? (1)

mesach (191869) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129112)

If i put the page up does Freecache have to wait until Internet Archive caches it? or does it nab a copy of the cache right away...

if it does then I propose that all posts of smaller sites hence forth should be freecached.

anyone wanna second it? not that it will do any good.

Re:Does it Cache Immediately? (1)

javatips (66293) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129370)

Yes, it caches immediately, the first time someone request are URL thru freecache, the content of that URL will be cached in real-time while it's being streamed to you. In fact, you do not even need to tell anyone about the caching has it will be done for any resources prepended with the freecache URL.

However, it will not cache resources that are under 5M. The cache is designed to cache for large piece of content.

Interesting (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129113)

How long until freecache is the way to publish warez on the web? Geocities storage + freecache's bandwidth = teh free shit 4 u.

But (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9129121)

What's the catch? Theres got to be a catch.

This has been mentioned before (3, Informative)

Albanach (527650) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129122)

on slashdot [google.com] - lots of times. It only cache's files bigger than 5MB so if someone is slashdotting your MP3 collection it's a boon. If you're jsut hosting a dynamic web page with dynamic images your mysql server is still going to feel the strain.

Caching (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9129123)

Personally, I believe that Slashdot should really begin caching static versions of the most popular pages itself...

/.ed already... (2, Insightful)

warpSpeed (67927) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129128)

This does not bode will for a caching site that will supposidly help with the /. effect...

Freecache can't handle Slashdot (Sept 2003) (1)

rbrinkman (681472) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129140)

Maybe things have changed, but when this made the rounds of Slashdot in September 2003 "There were 20,000 hits in 24 hours, and plenty of discussion in the Slashdot forums regarding slow downloads" http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id= 8764&PHPSESSID=5d3c8e0ad9765c01ba411759c623899 8

Questions to the Slashdot owners (3, Interesting)

Mr_Silver (213637) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129141)

  1. Does that mean that Slashdot will now link to potentially low-bandwidth sites using Freecache?
  2. Will you update their FAQ on the whole subject of caching since Google and Freecache seem to feel that the legalities of site caching is small enough for it to be a non-issue?
  3. Or are we still going to be relying on people posting links and site content in the comments because the original site has been blown away under the load?
Inquiring minds would like to know.

Re:Questions to the Slashdot owners (2, Interesting)

Tinidril (685966) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129276)

What you are proposing wont work. Only the original linked file (or implied index.?) will be cached. In order for the bulk of the content to be cached, the site owner would have to change all internal links to point to freecache.

The working solution would be for the slashdot editors to give a site owner a heads-up so that they can prepare for the flood.

In case of /.ing (1)

0d (768465) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129142)

Here is the google cache [google.com] of the page.

Yeah I know, now just mod me down!

Fightin' Words! (0, Troll)

goldspider (445116) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129147)

It's official: the gauntlet has officially been thrown down.

Slashdotters, do your worst!!

Re:Fightin' Words! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9129188)

It's official: you're a retard.

Moderators, do your worst!!

Prior art (-1, Offtopic)

broothal (186066) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129150)

Gee - it seems like only yesterday I was flamed for proposing the exact same thing.... [slashdot.org]

Beta! (5, Informative)

dacarr (562277) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129151)

I should point out that Freecache is in beta mode. By coincidence, this posting on Slashdot here is an interesting way of working out bugs.

Slashdot cache (2, Redundant)

aeiz (627513) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129159)

Slashdot should have their own caching system that automatically creates a cache of whatever website is being posted.

Re:Slashdot cache (1, Flamebait)

warpSpeed (67927) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129246)

Slashdot should have their own caching system that automatically creates a cache of whatever website is being posted.

/. cannot afford the bandwidth required to serve both thier site and the cached site... This is a dead horse issue, stop beating it...

this FP forN GN?AA (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9129160)

to keep up as Slashdot 'BSD is Whatever path is at least.' Nobody don't ffel that Shout the loudest Keep unnecessary backward and said GAY NIGGERS from hot on the heels of the NetBSD project, like I should be something done during which I to work I'm dojing, May be hurting the person. Ask your

This is seriously a solution (1, Interesting)

ianbnet (214952) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129166)

There are a lot of problems, but for all those "home publishers" on cable or slow DSL accounts, this is great -- they can publish content out to the wide, wide and wild web that they could never hope for before.

Although I predict this gets used heavily for less savory content - manifestos and the like that people want to get out there. But we'll see.

... execpt (5, Informative)

laursen (36210) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129168)

They have been offline [archive.org] for AGES due to abuse ...

As their status page [archive.org] explains...

Slashdot strikes again (1)

JFitzsimmons (764599) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129198)

Anything I give it just times out...

Using the Wayback Machine? (1)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129208)

What happens if you use archive.org's own Wayback Machine as a cache? Instead of linking that hugely popular Slashdot story to someone's relevant actual Geocities site, you link to a 12-day-old copy of that Geocities site in archive.org? Does archive.org get slashdotted easily?

Re:Using the Wayback Machine? (1)

hooded1 (89250) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129321)

Slashdot is a news site. If you post a link to a website thats 12 days old chances are its not going to have the information you expected it to have.

This will cause problems (5, Interesting)

ACNeal (595975) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129214)

I see dreaded pictures from goatse.cx in the future. This will break the nice convenient domain name clues that Slashdot gives us, so we don't accidently do things like that.

Re:This will cause problems (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129259)

slashcode could be modified to show the originating domain name, ie; just trim off the freecache.org part. [slashdot.org]

It'll take YEARS to implement, but possible.

what u talkin about willis? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9129305)

you mean like this? [freecache.org]

A question... (1)

carvalhao (774969) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129249)

Should I mirror a file which is DRMed, since it won't in fact be downloaded from my computer but from some ISPs mirror, could I be charged of making that file available? How could anyone prove that file hadn't been removed from my computer? Is an illegal file in transit the responsability of the site owner (it may no longer exist on the site), the downloader (where it still doesn't exist) or the middle man, where it exists temporarily?

Useful for some spike flattening only (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9129277)

Research at some big sites indicates that these caches have little impact on regular site use, but are beneficial in flattening some spikes. Frankly the case for Akamai gets less compelling by the day...probably the sweet spot for this tech is one in which the last mile is very slow (dialup).

Freeache? (2, Funny)

Henrik S. Hansen (775975) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129290)

Did anyone else misread that as "Freeache"?

I mean, I'm all for free stuff, but an ache...?

Me. (1)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129340)

Me. And I was modded down for posting my initial mis-reading.

OMG, we've slashdotted archive.org (1, Insightful)

shoppa (464619) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129300)

http://www.archive.org/, which used to have a one or two second response time, now is taking over a minute to return their home page.

I do not think this is a solution to slashdotting :-)

put it under the hood (4, Interesting)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129324)

This use of Freecache is still subject to the actual problem that enables Slashdotting: inadequate scaling planning. Some sites are limited by the cost of effective scaling failover countermeasures, but most are limited by lack of any planning for even potential Slashdotting - this use of Freecache still falls prey to that primary problem. And who can remember to prepend "http://freecache.org/" to their entire domain URL, including their repetitive "http://"?

A better use of Freecache is "under the hood". Make your webserver redirect accesses to your "http://whatever.com/something" to "http://freecache.org/http://whatever.com/somethin g". More sites will be able to plan for that single change to their webserver config, than will be able to plan to distribute the freecache.org compound URL. And it won't depend on users correctly using the compound URL. More sites will get the benefit of the freecache.org service. And when freecache.org disappears, or ceases to be free, switching to a competitor will be as easy as changing the config, rather than redistributing a new URL.

rather than the author sumbit (1)

mattyrobinson69 (751521) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129325)

it should grab one copy of the non-dynamic pages and images and update itself every few hours, then delete the cache once its not very busy.

kind of like the astalavista website translator, except a cache of everything static.

I could see people using this (1)

akaina (472254) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129327)

I could see people using this to start their own pr0n sites.

Perhaps there should be an alternative to scientific projects and OSS projects.

freecache.fsf.org perhaps?

Nothing Changes (1, Funny)

Ironsides (739422) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129341)

So now instead of /.ing the website we /. the Internet Archive instead.

Solution to slashdot? Shoot, we broke it. (2, Funny)

nsanders (208050) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129364)

Finally the solution for slashdotting ...

Not really.. I can't access their servers now. All will tremble before the might of slashdotting!

Already blocked at work (3, Insightful)

Xiadix (159305) | more than 10 years ago | (#9129374)

That is another stumbling block that will prevent it from saving may websites. If I can't use the freecache link, I will be forced to go back to the orginal link...as will a good percentage of the other /. crowd.

KevG
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