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Slashback: XPiracy, Panel, Gentoo

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the hi-there-anna-in-the-library dept.

Slashback 335

Slashback is back, with a boatload of updates, clarifications, and corrections to make previous Slashdot stories make more sense. This week, there are bits on BitKeeper, Microsoft's update policy when it comes to illegally copied versions of Windows, a change in schedule for an upcoming games panel, and more. Read on for the details.

The real requirements for Longhorn, at least at this juncture. Cryoknight writes "It seems that Longhorn will run on almost anything that's a P4 or better, judging by this article from C|Net News. You only need a 64mb graphics card to run the slickest version..."

(That's in contrast with earlier reports that the average Longhorn system would be hefty indeed; of course, listed minimums and recommendations are often worlds apart.)

How many bits could Mandrake chuck if Mandrake could chuck bits? Shipud writes "Speaking of AMD beating Intel, Mandrake have just released their v.10 for AMD64. Claiming to be on the average 20% faster, and compatible with 32-bit applications." As usual, it's never a good time to buy a computer.

The War Of The Word, Part II Random Guru 42 writes "Chris Pratley, whose earlier blog entry was the source of much discussion [referring to this Slashdot post of April 27], has just recently replied to everyone's feedback both here and as comments on that earlier entry."

Gentoo Community Reaches Out to Daniel Robbins nporter writes "Slashdot reported the news that Daniel Robbins has stepped down as chief architect of Gentoo Linux. It was revealed that due to his commitment to Gentoo he racked up a hefty personal debt of $20,000. The Gentoo Community is showing its appreciation to its founder in droves by placing donations to the Gentoo Store, proceeds of which will go toward paying down Robbins' debt. I count over a thousand dollars (and growing rapidly) has already been donated, just based upon posts to the forums. It's great to see Linux users coming together like this to show support for someone who has contributed so much to the Linux community."

Bitkeeper redux, redux. gosand writes "Part two of the two-part interview with Bitkeeper author Larry McVoy is up at Newsforge. (Part 1 was posted here yesterday). They essentially talk about why and how BK fits into the kernel development model. There are only two questions, one answered by Larry, and one answered by Linus. Maybe that is because BK makes them 2.5x as efficient, and they can answer everything in just one answer each. :-)"

MS Clarifies: No SP2 For Pirated XP Copies PingXao writes "Unlike earlier reports, this eWeek story says MS will not be allowing pirated versions of Windows XP to install SP2. They plan to release the update within a couple of months as everybody knows, but what's interesting is this quote from a MS spokesperson that supposedly explains their reasons for this approach: "... using genuine software is an important part of keeping systems secure and running smoothly because it means continued access to the latest security enhancements and product updates." Not that I blame them for not providing assistance to people who violate their copyrights, but I wonder if they actually paid someone to come up with that insightful explanation. Something like "We don't provide updates to pirates" would have done the trick. Why cloud the issue with talk about secure this and security that when the basis for the policy has absolutely nothing to do with security?"

Games panel at Smithsonian - update tripmaster writes "For those slashdotters that tried to get a ticket but were foiled by the smaller venue, the panel on games with Shigeru Miyamoto, Richard Garfield and Doug Church being held Sunday, May 16th at the Smithsonian in Washington DC has been moved to a bigger space. Miyamoto should be showing the same highlights of his latest game as premiered at E3. Questions from the audience will be collected and posed to the speakers -- a rare chance to ask query some of games' most visionary and influential creators."

Off again, on again. Doug Muth writes "According to this piece on Yahoo, the restraining order which was issued against SpamCop on May 10th has been dissolved by the judge who further remarked that, 'the TRO [entered May 10] was not a determination of the merits of the case.'"

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Gentoo? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9134222)

Must be a slow news day.

Thanks, thanks, I'll be here all week.

Dups! (1)

grennis (344262) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134230)

Earth to timothy... These stories are ALL dups!

And you people are actuallying paying for this stuff?

Personal debt too (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9134231)

I just bought a new Ferrari and racked up some personal debt. I wrote a bunch of open source scripts, but few people downloaded them.

However, if you send me money via Paypal, that'd be sweet.

Very cool! (5, Insightful)

erick99 (743982) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134233)

Slashback needs to be more often if possible!

Happy Trails!

Erick

Re:Very cool! (5, Funny)

jgaynor (205453) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134302)

And while you're at it - bring back quickies. They were like Fark, but for smart people.

Re:Very cool! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9134319)

All of this information, could be read at other websites before it was posted on slashback. There is other parts of the internet that isn't slashdot.

happy railroads!

Anonymous Loser

Re:Very cool! (-1, Troll)

The Bungi (221687) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134454)

The problem with "slashback" is that the "editors" post inflammatory, FUD-ridden crap all week long and then try to make up for it in a tiny three-line paragraph in a story which you need to click to read (which is the minority of people who read this web site). By that time of course the offending article has seen hundreds (if not thousands) of comments and 10 times that many page views (and ad impressions!), so the damage is done.

Again and again, Slashdot has proven to be exceedingly good at fanning the flames of mindless zealotry in its quest to get more page views and generate more ad revenue. Support for XML in Word, requirements for Longhorn, Bill Gates fined, proof of concept "worms", bogus vulnerabilities, etc, etc. The problem is that the first impression is the most important one, and people (especially people who read Slashdot) tend to form their opinion based on what is posted front and center for everyone to see - the stupidity of relying on this place to get news on the latest Microsoft happening is mind-boggling, but it happens nonetheless.

Think about it. OSDN has a website whose sole purpose (it seems) is to publish misinformation on Microsoft. Can you imagine what would happen if Microsoft ran an equivalent site to bash open source? But it's OSDN, so it's OK.

Slashback does not need to appear more frequently, it needs to go away. What needs to happen is for the "editors" to stop posting crap that is misinformed at best and outright lies at worst.

Re:Very cool! (2, Insightful)

JesseL (107722) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134511)

I won't try to defend the practice, but I will say that what you are describing is pretty much SOP in all print media. Have you ever seen the way they print retractions in newspapers?

Re:Very cool! (1)

The Bungi (221687) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134577)

If it wasn't for the ever-insightful and enlightening "editorial comment" attached to these stories I'd be inclined to believe that the slashdot "editors" are merely stupid, but no. They have an agenda, and they're pushing it wholesale.

Of course nobody forces anyone to read slashdot, but the importance of this site as a mouthpiece for the FOSS community has long since surpassed the ability of the "editors" to manage the responsibilities that come with that importance. They think they're still running the little technology blog they created in 1997 (which was actually interesting to read).

Wtf? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9134561)

Do you ever read normal newspapers? They make mistakes all the time, too.
I'd rather read something wrong about MS than have all that crap pushed into my head about the war in Iraq being justified.

At least MS can send out a statement saying that the public was misinformed, whereas the army can't do the same [iraqbodycount.org] .

Re:Wtf? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9134598)

Typical slashbot. These are not posted "by mistake", you stupid dork.

Oh, and I love the offtopic gratuitous reference to Iraq.

God I wish you'd all just die.

Eye Yam (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9134242)

da phirst post...

Ok, here's plan B for pirates using XP (0, Troll)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134261)

Since you can't use SP2, why not try a different SP [linuxiso.org] ?

Re:Ok, here's plan B for pirates using XP (2, Interesting)

Seth Finklestein (582901) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134279)

Can I run Warcraft III or Unreal Tournament 2004 on it?

Thanks anyway. Here's a cookie.

Sincerely,
Seth Finklestein
Proud Windows XP SP2 User

Re:Ok, here's plan B for pirates using XP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9134381)

No, but you can run XBill [xbill.org] and Frozen Bubble [frozen-bubble.org] . Those games, along with thousands of others, are even better than any you'll find in Windows.

Don't believe me? Read the source code. You can.

Re:Ok, here's plan B for pirates using XP (1)

Coolmoe (416032) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134389)

Not completely you may be screwed on Unreal but warcraft works under transgamings version of WINE. In fact it got the highest rating for compatibility they have.

www.transgaming.com

Re:Ok, here's plan B for pirates using XP (4, Informative)

raodin (708903) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134715)

How is he screwed on Unreal? Epic is one of the few companies that actually supports linux gaming - both server AND client.

Re:Ok, here's plan B for pirates using XP (5, Informative)

Afrosheen (42464) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134471)

UT2k4 is linux native, jackass.

Warcraft runs under Winex.

Next!

Re:Ok, here's plan B for pirates using XP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9134597)

UT2k4 is linux native, jackass.

I don't want to run a server, cockbitch.

Warcraft runs under Winex.

$5 a month for binaries? Please. I get Windows for free.

Re:Ok, here's plan B for pirates using XP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9134728)

It's a Linux CLIENT, meaning you can actually play the full game under Linux with full 3D accel.

Oh yeah.. COCKBITCH!

Re:Ok, here's plan B for pirates using XP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9134735)

Uhh, the UT2K4 client is also Linux native, fucknut. Yea, thats right, the server AND the client, idiot.

Why not? (1)

Gldm (600518) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134320)

Cause it breaks all their pirated games and apps? I suppose they could pirate new ones for it... oh wait there's only a few old ones they've gotten bored of already anyway.

Re:Ok, here's plan B for pirates using XP (3, Funny)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134676)

"Since you can't use SP2, why not try a different SP? "

Sure, lemme just give up my library of games and climb a steep learning curve to make the switch.

Troll??? No. Insightful (5, Insightful)

einhverfr (238914) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134688)

I don't think that the parent post was a troll. I actually thing that the causal copiers are *exactly* the type of home users we want to market Linux to.

For the record, I only use the term piracy to refer to organized cartels of copyright infringers. I presume most of the unlicensed copies of Windows XP in the US are from causal copiers or multiple installs from the same media. I think it is important to distinguish these issues in public discussion and policy.

Every unlicensed copy of Windows represents a user who is unwilling to make a choice between paying full price for Windows or moving to an alternative operating system. By helping these people see that there are better deals that they can use without worrying about the ramifications (no service packs or patches, etc.) of using unlicensed copies of Windows.

Always a good time to buy a computer (5, Insightful)

securitas (411694) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134262)


As usual, it's never a good time to buy a computer.

With prices constantly falling and better performance for price as hardware incessantly marches toward being a commodity good, one could just as easily say that it's always a good time to buy a computer.

Re:Always a good time to buy a computer (5, Insightful)

The_Mystic_For_Real (766020) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134317)

With prices constantly falling and better performance for price as hardware incessantly marches toward being a commodity good, one could just as easily say that it's always a good time to buy a computer.

I think the case is actually that tomorrow is always a better day to buy a computer. I have to say that I myself have procrastinated ad infinitum when upgrading systems because it always seems that something awesome is coming up in a few months.

Re:Always a good time to buy a computer (1)

Anonymous Crowhead (577505) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134364)

I have to say that I myself have procrastinated ad infinitum when upgrading systems because it always seems that something awesome is coming up in a few months.

For me, that something is Doom III. I am buying a new computer the day before Doom III hits the stores.

Doom3 (0, Redundant)

rodgster (671476) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134565)

Doom3 .....

Featuring a new, mind-blowing gaming engine from John Carmack, the closely guarded DOOM 3 is in development for the PC, and in true id fashion, will be released "when it's done."

http://www.idsoftware.com/business/history/

However you apparently can pre-order it. But then again I seem to remember you could pre-order it before last Christmas too.

The way I guesstimate it, the race for the releases of Duke Nuk'em Forever and Doom3 Forever is neck and neck.

Re:Always a good time to buy a computer (2, Funny)

cujo_1111 (627504) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134485)

I think the case is actually that tomorrow is always a better day to buy a computer.

So today is a better day to buy a computer than yesterday, so today is a good time to buy a computer.

Re:Always a good time to buy a computer (1)

Bingo Foo (179380) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134515)

But I can't buy a computer yesterday. My choices include today and tomorrow. I'll pick tomorrow.

Re:Always a good time to buy a computer (1)

ameoba (173803) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134576)

There's different types of awesome, however...

For x86-64 systems, there's a major awesome just around the corner in the new CPU socket they're going to be releasing (which, among other things, will allow non-FX Athlon64s to use dual-channel memory).

Re:Always a good time to buy a computer (2, Interesting)

dioxide (149116) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134510)

Have you taken a look at the prices for ram lately? It's something like 4 times the cost of a month ago.

Re:Always a good time to buy a computer (1)

ozbird (127571) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134672)

Today is a good day to buy yesterday's computer - unless you like getting gouged for bleeding edge components, of course.

You're wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9134684)

The glass is always half empty. Period. ;)

Re:Always a good time to buy a computer (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9134723)

It's always a good time to masturbate!

I'm enjoying SP2 already (0, Flamebait)

Seth Finklestein (582901) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134263)

I'm sorry that the Microsoft spokesdroid thinks otherwise, but I'm already running Windows XP Service Pack 2. See, their so-called "antipiracy" measures consist of comparing your software's key with a "list of known keys." I simply downloaded a fresh key off Usenet, used TweakXP to change my key, and then I installed a special pre-release copy of Service Pack 2.

Thanks, Microsoft. You owe me one.

Sincerely,
Seth Finklestein
White-Hat Software "Pirate"

Only use "genuine" software! :) (5, Funny)

FunWithHeadlines (644929) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134264)

"using genuine software is an important part of keeping systems secure and running smoothly because it means continued access to the latest security enhancements and product updates."

That's right, folks, only use "genuine" software for that clean, refreshing Microsoft feeling of comfort. The kind you cannot get with pirated software since they won't let you eliminate their own bugs that cause so many Net problems. The kind you cannot get with FOSS since you can see the code for yourself and fix the problems. No, if you want the genuine experience, the kind of out-of-the-box headache that only comes from Microsoft software, insist on "genuine" software! Our bank account balance will thank you.

Re:Only use "genuine" software! :) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9134276)

-1, despite how everyone claims ./ is anti-microsoft, comments like this always get modded down.

Re:Only use "genuine" software! :) (4, Insightful)

elid (672471) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134344)

Where's the logic here? If you want to use Linux, use it. No one's forcing you to use a Microsoft OS. But don't pirate Microsoft software and expect to get updates. The only question up for discussion is whether not providing security updates for pirates will hurt people besides the pirates themselves.

Re:Only use "genuine" software! :) (2, Insightful)

FunWithHeadlines (644929) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134467)

"The only question up for discussion is whether not providing security updates for pirates will hurt people besides the pirates themselves."

My precise point.

Re:Only use "genuine" software! :) (1)

object88 (568048) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134486)

The only question up for discussion is whether not providing security updates for pirates will hurt people besides the pirates themselves.

I think it will. Perhaps I'm not understanding the problem, but part of the damage done by hacked machines is the extra burdon put on the intra/internet. Something has to relay the bits.

Re:Only use "genuine" software! :) (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9134525)

No one's forcing you to use a Microsoft OS.

Ummmm, only my employer you insensitive clod!

Re:Only use "genuine" software! :) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9134581)

And likely your employer has legitimate copies of MS software. If not, the Business Software Alliance [bsa.org] may want to speak with them.

BTW, I wonder why Boy Scouts of America didn't get www.bsa.org.

If your employer won't let you use another OS, maybe you should change employers to a Linux friendly employer.

pragmatism and policy (5, Insightful)

jm92956n (758515) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134274)

MS Clarifies: No SP2 For Pirated XP Copies

So much for the herd effect. It's simply, really. If everyone but me has gotten a polio vaccine, I'll still be fine because the polio has nowhere to hide.As soon as 10 - 20 percent of the population isn't vaccinated, suddenly the problem [polio] reemerges.

Why can't Microsoft understand the basic concept?

Re:pragmatism and policy (3, Interesting)

IO ERROR (128968) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134372)

This essentially means that any Windows system which Microsoft thinks is "pirated" isn't going to get security updates. I can't wait for the rash of legitimate users who get caught up in this, trying to update their systems and Windows Update tells them their product key is not valid. (It happened to me on a legitimate licensed copy on trying to install SP1, and I still have no resolution at all on it.)

Re:pragmatism and policy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9134605)

Does anyone know if it's possible for malware to steal a person's valid key and phone home with it?

Re:pragmatism and policy (1)

DrLZRDMN (728996) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134632)

purely for research right?

Re:pragmatism and policy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9134674)

Not really, it just made me think because the great grandparent explained how his key is invalid.

I have a couple of friends that are experiencing the same thing.

Just makes you wonder how horrible that would be for MS if an internet virus/worm infected hundreds of thousands of machines and then stole their xp keys, only to invalidate them later.

Re:pragmatism and policy (4, Funny)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134736)

TechTV had problems that most of their on-air computers (which they're sure they paid for Windows on) ended up on the banned-number list when SP1 came out. See, it's kinda hard to do computer how-to segments and not accidently let the license key slip over the air a few times by mistake...

Re:pragmatism and policy (1)

mindstrm (20013) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134695)

They can understand it just fine.

I dislike microsoft as much as the next guy... but expecting them to not provide anything at all to those who are unlawfully using their software is absurd.

If everyone but you is vaccinated, there is no polio problem. True.

If everyone is supposed to get vaccinated, but few choose the "pirated software" route and DO NOT get faccinated, who's fault is it if they get polio?

Slashdot quickies (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9134275)

We miss the slashdot quickies, when will those come back? It was great to fill up mozilla's tabs chock full of slashdots junk pile.

Will they ever return?

Re:Slashdot quickies (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9134349)

No, but wait for Slashsdot infomercials. That will be a special section paid for by advertisers which will write the articles on their new products.

Read it Again... (4, Insightful)

still_sick (585332) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134287)

MS isn't saying they won't support Pirated versions - that implies that they're somehow changing their security scheme regarding service packs. They're NOT.

The installation hurdles that existed in SP1 will be back again for SP2 - no more, no less.

Nothing has changed, Move along, Move along...

Re:Read it Again... (4, Interesting)

cubic6 (650758) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134590)

"The installation hurdles that existed in SP1 will be back again for SP2 - no more, no less."

Yes, and as with SP1, the day after SP2 comes out, there'll be 10 warez releases of WinXP with SP2 slipstreamed in for your downloading pleasure. They will also come complete with working CD keys and some handy tools to bypass activation if necessary. I agree, this isn't really news at all.

Word (3, Insightful)

Unnngh! (731758) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134288)

From the blog,

[re: star/open office]Their stated goal is to clone Office97, and they are so focused on that that there simply isn't anything to learn from or appreciate.

While I understand his point, I don't see much innovation between office 2000/XP at all, at least not from an end-user perspective. It's become, to a large extent, bloatware. How much innovation does an office suite need, anyway? You get things like clippy when innovating a basically simply product to death. KISS.

Re:Word (1)

ajutla (720182) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134369)

It's not really so much innovation as it is slickness of UI. I currently use Office XP (but with no real plans to use 2003), and, yeah, it's more or less the same as Office 2000, only prettier. Office 97 looks clunky by today's standards; its successors are more or less functionally identical but look cleaner and more polished. On a slightly off-topic and rather contradictory note, they took a huge step backwards with Office 2003. It just looks ugly. I mean, that blue color scheme. And yes, I am aware that you can change it. It's still way too ugly...
So, yeah, overall, I don't know what I just said, either.

Slashback Reguarly (5, Insightful)

beatleadam (102396) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134298)

If this feature were to have a regular day of posting (i.e. Every Wednesday at 5:00pm or somesuch time frame) it would go a long way in adding credibility to Slashdot as a source of news.

No joking/flames intended but every news source makes mistakes and has to either back pedal or update or simply roll with an ever changing or expanding story or what would be now defunct "facts".

Re:Slashback Reguarly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9134488)

how can slashdot be a source of news when every article comes from another source?

editors != reporters last i checked. and we all know how bad the editing is here.

if slashdot actually had someone going out and getting stories from where ever they happen, then you can ask for the credibility. until then, slashdot is just a regurgitation station.

Speaking of followups (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9134544)

I was wondering what happened with the entire country of Spain being added to a realtime spam blackhole?

Have there been any developments? Has the ISP expressed any interest to reign in spammers to get off the blacklist? Has there been a significant backlash among Spanish Internet users?

Blackmail (4, Insightful)

Xhad (746307) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134301)

"Why cloud the issue with talk about secure this and security that when the basis for the policy has absolutely nothing to do with security?"

I think what they're trying to get across is, "If your PC is insecure because you pirated our software, tough shit. Buy it next time and you can stay secure." I don't know that I like that attitude, since these unpatched machines as a whole also affect the people who do practice good security (usually through network traffic), but they're trying to equate "OS piracy" and "security risk", and just might succeed if new worms increase.

Re:Blackmail (1)

Shapemaker (779051) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134466)

As always, Microsoft is free to do with its software and userbase as it pleases. I tend myself to sway to the opinion that giving updates away to pirates is not the "right thing" to do. On the one hand we have the internet security issue, on the other hand the rights of MS (they have those, too, you know).

Most of the security problems might be solved by more diligent coding practices and much rewriting of code on the part of Microsoft. Then again it might not help much. It all comes down to how well Microsoft wants to protect its userbase (revenue stream) and how much bad PR it is willing to accept.

Still, I think that much if not most of current Windows codebase is so bloated, the only thing that will help is a complete rewrite (we shall see how Longhorn delivers on this issue).

The moral of the story? Don't pirate MS products, not even to spite them. You will only contribute to their userbase and vendor lock-in that way. And they may even be able to get you to pay for Windows in the end, however that might happen :-)

wow (5, Funny)

edrugtrader (442064) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134305)

"... using genuine software is an important part of keeping systems secure and running smoothly because it means continued access to the latest security enhancements and product updates."

double speak is awesome.

Q: why can't pirates get updates.
A: you shouldn't be a pirate because pirates don't get updates.
Q: i know, i implied they didn't get updates in my question, and you just repeated it to me...
A: you should know that... i just told you.
Q: see, you did it again. why are you doing that?
A: you would be better off if you knew why i was doing this.
Q: REM this is a question.
A: ...
Q: IS THIS A MICROSOFT PR BOT?!
A: abort; goto end; kill();

Re:wow (0, Offtopic)

cft_128 (650084) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134622)

Q: why can't pirates get updates.
A: you shouldn't be a pirate because pirates don't get updates.
Q: i know, i implied they didn't get updates in my question, and you just repeated it to me...
A: you should know that... i just told you.
Q: see, you did it again. why are you doing that?
A: you would be better off if you knew why i was doing this.
Q: REM this is a question.
A: ...
Q: IS THIS A MICROSOFT PR BOT?!
A: abort; goto end; kill();

-1 my comment for troll BUT this sounds allot like a Donald Rumsfeld press conference:

"As we know, There are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know There are known unknowns. That is to say We know there are some things We do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, The ones we don't know We don't know." -Donald Rumsfeld, February 12, 2002, Department of Defense news briefing

Gentoo crew have done it right (4, Insightful)

Shapemaker (779051) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134306)

As a happy Gentoo user, I can testify to the usefulness of the system as a whole. Robbins and his crew really have done it right. It is the least the community can do to give something back to him for his hard work.

We shall see how well the rest of the developers can knit the project together during the following months. It shall be interesting to see who will step forward as the new project leader as well.

Re:Gentoo crew have done it right (3, Insightful)

IO ERROR (128968) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134478)

$20,000 is a large chunk of change to be in debt. I personally use Gentoo and I'm going to have to go over and give him some money for putting together such a great system. I'd urge anybody who's happy with Gentoo to do the same.

Re:Gentoo crew have done it right (2, Funny)

yuckymucky (591284) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134557)

I just went over and gave $20 and I am hoping to get a shirt when they get back in. Like the average ./ reader I cannot fit in a med.

***** SP2 CRACKED INSTALL - 2/12 slots (-1, Redundant)

Eric(b0mb)Dennis (629047) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134314)

MS Clarifies: No SP2 For Pirated XP Copies PingXao writes "Unlike earlier reports, this eWeek story says MS will not be allowing pirated versions of Windows XP to install SP2.

So, what, we'll have to wait, uhhh.... a day for a cracked install of sp2 or what? or well better watch out

Mandrake for AMD64: Good Stuff (2, Informative)

OpenGLFan (56206) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134325)

Getting a release for AMD64 is a very good move for Mandrake. I just bought an AMD64 laptop, and I've looked around for linux distributions, but the discussion groups have mentioned problems with many of them. An Official Release by Mandrake is a good sign that the majority of the problems have been solved.

Open Note to Mandrake: I'm running Mandrake right now on my office machine. If this version of Mandrake works well on my laptop, I intend to buy a box. Way to go!

SP2 (1)

binarybum (468664) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134327)

I'm afraid I do not agree with the policy of M$ to attempt to prevent pirates to get this update. I understand blocking piracy at the installation level , but since SP2 is touted to be a huge security update it seems that preventing it from installing on a certain population of systems will somewhat undermine the security of microsoft's global network (ie. the internet). Most of the powerful exploits are currently worms, and unpatched (sp2 disabled pirated copies)systems may serve as propogation nodes to either attack those legitimate(read wealthy)users that have not yet installed SP2 or to exploit windows issues that remain unfixed by SP2.
One scenario is a worm that can release a payload in SP2 or SP1 but can only be propegated by non SP2 systems.
Another is a trojan that permits DDOS or similar attacks from non SP2 systems but that essentially affects everybody.

Re:SP2 (1)

whoever57 (658626) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134405)

The real question is whether MS will continue to support pre-SP2 installations. Is there some compelling need for SP2? Otherwise, why not just stay with earlier versions and continue to get security updates.

Re:SP2 (1)

Jim_Maryland (718224) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134477)

Most of the powerful exploits are currently worms, and unpatched (sp2 disabled pirated copies)systems may serve as propogation nodes to either attack those legitimate(read wealthy)users that have not yet installed SP2 or to exploit windows issues that remain unfixed by SP2.

I can see where your argument is coming from, but the likely situation will be that even legitimate installations will not all be patched either. MS doesn't have an obligation to the illegal installations. I imagine that if the problem you describe becomes a reality, the obligation to the legitimate consumers will necessitate offering the patches to illegal consumers.

Either way MS handles releasing the update, I have to believe that a crack will be availble very soon after the official version is released.

Re:SP2 (1)

rodgster (671476) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134666)

Microsoft normally supports the current and previous service pack for it's NT code based OS.

more info here:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=f h; [ln];lifesupsps

In other words there will (almost certainly) be future patches for SP1 and SP2 versions of Windows XP until SP3 comes along.

If you can't install SP2, just remove it from your windows Update list if that's how you patch your system.

In honor of the Gentoo post... (2, Funny)

example42 (760044) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134333)

I just started an "emerge sync" and donated $5 (I'm a poor student). Gentoo is the bees knees as they say.

Re:In honor of the Gentoo post... (3, Funny)

Afrosheen (42464) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134508)

"Gentoo is the bees knees as they say."

Who is 'they' in this case? Your grandparents?

23 Skiddoo! You got moxie kid! ;)

Re:In honor of the Gentoo post... (2, Insightful)

NeoCORE (769469) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134633)

what makes you think that he isnt a grand parent... u don't have to be between 10-50 to use linux =P

What's Mandrake Status? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9134341)

Mandrake have just released their v.10 for AMD64.

Mandrake said they'd be releasing 10.0 Official for x86 the first of May. What's happened?

Wow I'm glad MS can enforce this policy. (4, Insightful)

Gldm (600518) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134343)

I mean it must be comforting to know you can just blacklist the compromised install keys that pirates use and be done with it right? I mean it's not like anyone could possibly have made a key generator for Windows XP right?

Is it just me or are anti-piracy measures just growing more and more inconvenient for legitimate users (product activation etc) and not at all more inconvenient for pirates (who get modified versions with the annoying features removed)?

Ok, i'm going to apply for a job (0, Flamebait)

Jonathan Pater (778749) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134350)

Programming a proprietory software package $55,000 Programming an Open Source sofware package -$20,000 Hmmm... I wonder which one i'm going to choose. Don't mod me down, thats avoiding the issue. How about you put your mouth where your modpoints are.

Here's one of those steps to profit thingies (0, Redundant)

JoeShmoe (90109) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134388)

1) Wait for Microsoft to release SP2 and not allow installation on pirates systems
2) Wait for next major virus/worm outbreak that targets flaw fixed by SP2
3) Sue Microsoft for contributory negligence resulting in downtime/cleanup of your website/mailserver
4) Watch Microsoft settle from their 20? 30? 40? billion war chest
5) PROFIT!!!!

I'm totally serious. As I said in my original post on the original story, this is no different than a hospital turning away a patient because they detect at some point they have used drugs. If a hospital did that and the patient fell over dead, there would be one whopping big lawsuit resulting from it.

Here Microsoft is selling pancakes accidentally laced with the Black Plague and when some people who stole their tainted pancages later come back to Microsoft for a cure, Microsoft is booting them out on the street so they can infect other innocent people. Why shouldn't Microsoft be responsible for allowing it to spread further?

- JoeShmoe
.

Re:Here's one of those steps to profit thingies (2)

KrispyKringle (672903) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134655)

It wouldn't be contributory negligence because negligence relies on a duty or prior existing relationship of some sort between the plaintiff and defendent. In other words, you'd have to argue that Microsoft has a duty to pirates to provide them with updates, if you are trying to show they were negligent to the pirates, or, even harder (I think) that they owe a duty to other users of the Internet to maintain pirated copies of their code.

Equivalent would be holding you responsible because someone stole your well-secured (i.e. Microsoft is hardly negligent for their software being stolen, as they spent a lot of time on anti-piracy stuff) car, failed to change the break fluid, and you didn't provide him with a fluid change so he ends up hitting a pedestrian. Get my drift?

More likely is a suit alleging negligence when a Microsoft product suffers a vulnerability that's exploited before a patch becomes available, though click-throughs are designed to prevent this liability.

You forgot: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9134659)

5) ???

and then:

6) PROFIT!!!

These in-jokes only works when you do them right. Tsk,tsk.

They don't think SP2 will be cracked? (1)

cbreaker (561297) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134397)

All it'll take is 15 minutes and a smart cracker to allow you to install SP2 in all it's glory.

Not to mention that almost all the XP users that have an illegal copy run a "corporate" version with a legit serial number anyways, so this won't even affect them.

Of course, then there's the users that actually won't be able to install it, and we'll all pay for it with clogged up networks due to all the bugs and crap still in there.

Linux - the only SP XP will ever need. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9134412)

A laptop I bought a few months ago came with XP installed (no choice). Since then it has been made ``secure'' by living in a separate, never-broght-on-the-network partition, and linux now floats over the face of the hardware, and it is *good*.

I don't plan on even installing SP2, although my copy is actually legitimate. So, Billy Gates and his happy minions can kiss my ASP.

Microsoft's Anti-Piracy Policy (2, Insightful)

JPickard (727790) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134426)

Microsoft are saying that they wont provide the latest service packs for their software for pirates. Doesn't most of the world pirate MS Windows? Do you think people pay for it if they had to? What do you think would happen to the market share of Windows if Microsoft make it tougher to pirate their OS? Do you think developers will be so keen to support an operating system with a declining user base?

All this could be a blessing in disguise for Linux/MacOS as people may be forced to look for an Alternative to Windows. I mention MacOS since, although it isn't free, if I had to pay for an OS I know which one I would choose.

JPickard

Re:Microsoft's Anti-Piracy Policy (0)

Jonathan Pater (778749) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134470)

Well, they probably won't give a shit considering the person that pirated Windows will most likely pirate their software as well.

Re:Microsoft's Anti-Piracy Policy (1)

Maul (83993) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134535)

Cost of Windows XP Pro: $199, plus the people in question hate Bill Gates.

Cost of Doom 3: $50, plus the people in question think John Carmack is cool.

Re:Microsoft's Anti-Piracy Policy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9134702)

Silly Brit. It is "Microsoft is" not "Microsoft Are."

But! (1)

Cranx (456394) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134437)

But, I thought open source products are far more profitable than closed-source projects in the long run. Maybe he quit too soon.

SP2 (0, Redundant)

mackermacker (250587) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134459)

Oh come on.......
I give it one day until Mr Dude comes out with another key changer.

Surlely I'm not the only one who has used Mr dude (research purposes only

I dontated $5 to Gentoo (2, Funny)

AintTooProudToBeg (187954) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134502)

and saw this message:

Your order has been successfully processed! Your products will arrive at their destination within 2-5 working days.

I wonder which products they're talking about

Re:I dontated $5 to Gentoo (4, Funny)

NiceGeek (126629) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134549)

You're right...it should say "Your products will COMPILE within 2-5 working days".

Re:I dontated $5 to Gentoo (1)

NeoCORE (769469) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134652)

if products compile in 2-5 working days.. this = a need for a new system ;)

Of course microsoft was going to do this (1)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134518)

Otherwise they'd be saying that they don't care about persuing people who pirate their software. On the other hand, it'll take a day or two just like SP1 for people to get around it. To install SP1 on a machine with a blacklisted cd-key takes about 5 minutes of googling, downloading, reading, and cracking. Outside the corporate world, it seems it's impossible to get caught using pirated software. This whole genuine software bit was just the work of some PR person who's knowledge in software doesn't matter at this point.

And by the way, this isn't going to make anyone switch to linux, i don't care what people say or annoyingly ironic links to gentoo.com they put in their posts. When you don't pay for software in the first place, it doesn't make a difference to switch to free software.

Contributing to Spamcop (1)

theblkadder (671343) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134529)

SpamCop has set up a legal defense fund to defend against legal challenges like those brought by Optinrealbig.com. If you wish to contribute, please see our website at http://www.spamcop.net/. All donations will be kept in a separate account and will be used solely for the defense of any legal actions brought against SpamCop and/or its parent company, IronPort Systems.

Seems to me that Spamcop is now a commercial company, so why is it appropriate to ask for contributions? Isn't defending against lawsuits a cost of doing business?

Oh and P.S. Spamcop, as much as I think Richter and his ilk deserve prison time, unfortunately his case has merit.

Most people I know, dont like windows.. (4, Insightful)

xxx_Birdman_xxx (676056) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134644)

Unfortunally most people I know who aren't interesting in computers (I'm mainly thinking family members here), just want to turn on their computers, do some typing, send an email and surf the web.
The are simply not interested in updating their OS. Most of them don't understand what updating is for. They only time they worry about it is when I get a phonecall going:
"Ryan, the computer keeps shutting down for no reason.. what should I do?" - then i go in for cleanup, patches, firewall, firefox, etc, etc...

So what happens is that you can end up with lots of legal AND illegal versions of software that aren't patched. I think many people wouldn't even know if they have a legal version or not.. They just use what is given to them.
This is why worms lately have been able to cause so much havic lately. People just don't understand they have to update.

So stopping the service packs from being installed just increases this issue and we have more and more machines on the net that are a breeding ground for worms- its hard to get people to update as it is!
People see all these computers around with problems with Windows and form a bad opinion of it. Isn't it better to try to aim to have ALL copies of Windows installed around the world up to date and working smoothly, than risk getting the reputation that it's a bug-riddled OS?

Security... (2)

Dwonis (52652) | more than 9 years ago | (#9134682)

Why cloud the issue with talk about secure this and security that when the basis for the policy has absolutely nothing to do with security?"

Well, if you can't dazzle them with brilliance...

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