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Via-based Handheld Game Console Runs PC Games

CowboyNeal posted more than 9 years ago | from the also-looks-stupid dept.

Portables (Games) 208

An anonymous reader writes "Via Technologies has teamed up with Ministry of Mobile Affairs (no, it's not a government agency) to build a handheld game console based on Windows XP Embedded that runs existing PC games. Described as the world's first handheld gaming device based on the x86 architecture, the Eve Mobile Gaming Console is said to be capable of instantly running thousands of existing PC games. Eve's embedded computer is built around a 533MHz Via Eden-N processor (which supports SSE and MMX) equipped with 128MB DDR266 SDRAM, and a 20GB hard drive. A built-in 4-inch LCD screen supports resolutions up to 640 x 480 pixels." The initial impressions are pretty grim, and the form factor leaves something to be desired, at least for a product vying for a share of the GBA market.

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Is that a Moma in your pocket? (4, Interesting)

l810c (551591) | more than 9 years ago | (#9145729)

First thing I thought when I looked at it, is where are you going to carry it? That thing wouldn't fit in a pocket or bookbag or briefcase. The pictures don't quite jive with this comment from the Moma website:

Modular -- Screen unit detaches from the controller. Carry just the screen unit around for media on the go. Swap controllers for a customized gaming experience.

This and the fact that there's nothing on the screen lead me to believe this is a Very early prototype and I'm doubting it's going to make it out 1st Q 2005.

Re:Is that a Moma in your pocket? (3, Insightful)

Carnildo (712617) | more than 9 years ago | (#9145795)

Modular -- Screen unit detaches from the controller. Carry just the screen unit around for media on the go. Swap controllers for a customized gaming experience.

A detachable screen? I though the form factor in the renderings was bad, but a detachable screen is worse! What happens if you lose the screen -- will they send you a replacement? How are they going to keep the contacts clean?

Re:Is that a Moma in your pocket? (5, Insightful)

black mariah (654971) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146244)

Well, what happens when you lose your Gameboy? You bought it, you take care of it. Lose it, tough shit.

Re:Is that a Moma in your pocket? (1)

56ker (566853) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146413)

Yep, they're cheap enough to replace with minimal impact on your wallet.... however LCD displays vary in price enormously - replacement ones can end up costing more than the cost of the entire unit.

Re:Is that a Moma in your pocket? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9146443)

Keep the Contacts clean?
I think it's more likely that the brains and battery of the unit are in the screen part, and the controller is like a usb joystick.

There probably will only be a simple connector between the two.

Re:Is that a Moma in your pocket? (1)

SphericalCrusher (739397) | more than 9 years ago | (#9145892)

And just for that one reason alone, it won't tackle the GBA in the handheld gaming market. Even though the GBA may cannot stand up against it performance wise, it's portability makes it a more fun piece of equipment to have.

Re:Is that a Moma in your pocket? (1)

Imidazole (775082) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146130)

x86 handheld will be great. Emulate gameboy, Gamegear, PS1, NES, SNES, everything in a 'handheld' form factor!

Re:Is that a Moma in your pocket? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9146175)

You can read about the moma in your pocket here [blogspot.com]

Re:Is that a Moma in your pocket? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9146469)

Just an FYI, the word as you are using it should be "jibe" not "jive".

Solution in search of a problem (4, Insightful)

erick99 (743982) | more than 9 years ago | (#9145730)

Sometimes folks come up with a solution for a problem that doesn't exist. Then, they try to reverse-engineer the problem. Anyway, from one of the articles:

"It's funny that you say that it comes out of nowhere," said Andrew "Bunnie" Hwang, the "minister of mobile affairs" at The Ministry of Mobile Affairs (MoMA), based in San Diego. "It actually fills a vacuum in the market," of an X86-based handheld, he said.

It actually gets better when he explains that you can pay to "unlock" the device (like hackers won't figure this out within a day or two...":

If a user wishes, Hwang added, he can purchase a separate SIM card "for a reasonable price" that will completely unlock the console, so users can download whatever content they wish.

I guess we will see what happens in the marketplace.....

Happy Trails!

Erick

Re:Solution in search of a problem (4, Insightful)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 9 years ago | (#9145903)

like hackers won't figure this out within a day or two

Can you say iOpener?

LK

Re:Solution in search of a problem (2, Interesting)

ComputerSlicer23 (516509) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146218)

I'll point out the truely ironic part, Andrew "Bunnie" Hwang, is the hardcore X-Box hacker who figured out a number of ways to overcome the X-Box security features. A number of slashdot articles have mentioned him, or his projects. Including the facts that he had a really hard time publishing his books on hacks for the X-Box.

Interesting. Very intersting.

Kirby

Re:Solution in search of a problem (1)

Cpt_Kirks (37296) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146273)

This is a pretty good idea, with some changes.

Dump XP (or make it dual-boot). Change the form factor. Lose the stupid DRM. Make it foldable, with various controller options (SMS style keyboard, d-pad, a-pad, track-ball), jump up the horsepower a bit and you have a tiny laptop.

It could give my Zodiac a run for it's money.

Re:Solution in search of a problem (1)

corian (34925) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146430)

"It actually fills a vacuum in the market," of an X86-based handheld, he said.

Some vacuum. [daniel-hertrich.de] Perhaps just a lack of demand?

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The question is (3, Funny)

Kelz (611260) | more than 9 years ago | (#9145750)

Can it play monkey island?

Re:The question is (2, Funny)

Carnildo (712617) | more than 9 years ago | (#9145843)

Can it play monkey island?

Not until someone ports ScummVM to it.

Re:The question is (1)

cbreaker (561297) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146073)

If it's indeed compatible with XP, then no porting would be required.

Re:The question is (1)

Carnildo (712617) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146093)

Different inputs. At the very least, you'll need a way to map the d-pad and the buttons to the appropriate keys/mouse/whatever.

Re:The question is (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9146188)

Can it play monkey island?

In [insert contry here] Can Monkey Island play you???

I have had one for a few months. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9145769)

While I was out in Tiwan visiting some friends I got my hands on a prototype of this machine. I love it, so much better than the gp32 I had.

here are some pictures [ematic.nl]

Awesome pics! Wish I had one... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9145794)

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A good thing. (-1, Offtopic)

K8Fan (37875) | more than 9 years ago | (#9145785)

This is a virus that can be spread by having sex, just like HIV (although if it works, that could be a good thing).

"...a good thing"? Having random, unprotected sex to defeat the AIDS virus? Talk about an understatement.

bring back the emulators (3, Insightful)

Kjuib (584451) | more than 9 years ago | (#9145787)

That should run most of the older emulators just fine. From console to PC back to console, go figure. Now if it would only butter my toast for me.

Re:bring back the emulators (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9146005)

I think it'd would barely be passable as an emulator. I've got a VIA M10000 system running at 1Ghz, and a more than a few games stutter under an emulator.

Form factor leaves something to be desired? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9145790)

Just wait till the longhorn version comes out. You'll have to drag around a highend desktop computer just to run it.

It can play PC Games but.... (5, Insightful)

tsunamifirestorm (729508) | more than 9 years ago | (#9145801)

most PC games have too many buttons.

Re:It can play PC Games but.... (4, Insightful)

Carnildo (712617) | more than 9 years ago | (#9145867)

Whereas this has too many joysticks. The renderings show a directional pad, a pair of joysticks, four buttons, and what looks like a rocker switch. How are you going to emulate games that need all that on a PC?

Re:It can play PC Games but.... (2, Insightful)

steveha (103154) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146089)

The renderings show a directional pad, a pair of joysticks, four buttons, and what looks like a rocker switch.

In other words, the standard set of controls on a typical console game pad these days.

So, this will be great for playing any game that can be mapped to those controls, and doesn't need more performance than a VIA Eden chip at 533 MHz can provide. (Hint: Doom III is not going to run on this thing.) Oh, and don't forget that the screen is only 4 inches, so you'll never play games like StarCraft on it unless you have eyes like an eagle.

Summary: this would be great for playing old console games, if anyone bothered to port them from the console to this thing. And it would be great for arcade emulation for low-detail games.

Would you pay over $500 for a hard-to-carry gadget that could only do that? Me neither.

steveha

Next on Slashdot... (1)

quizwedge (324481) | more than 9 years ago | (#9145823)

a group has managed to hack the moma and it is now running linux without copy protection.

Actually (1)

phorm (591458) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146211)

At 20GB that would be a cool use for it. Also, with the described CPU speed you could probably watch (tiny, but at least decent resolution) DivX movies? 20GB is enough to have a small distro with Mplayer etc.

I wonder what the video hardware is, and the controller specs. If somebody could hack up a driver for the buttons, it would also make a nice portable MAME/SNES/etc emulator. You could do a lot of this on windows too, but if somebody could manage drivers for the display/keyboard linux/OS could bring a lot of custom functionality to this little gadget.

Why do you need copy protection... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9146382)

for Linux?

nice.. (2, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 9 years ago | (#9145828)

but is it going to be ever built by anyone and sold at retail? sounds like a support nightmare. also in the pics it's good to use, but only at places you could bring your laptop to(it's bulky).

would be fucking awesome for emulators and stuff like that though..

but I'll put my dollar on the bet that says "nice research project for pr purposes, to be never really hit the market properly if at all."

Existing games. (4, Insightful)

Humorously_Inept (777630) | more than 9 years ago | (#9145842)

When they say existing PC games, they must really mean it! Not current, but existing. The question is how long do those games have to have existed for? The hardware config is totally insufficient, aesthetics and usability aside.

Re:Existing games. (1)

cbreaker (561297) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146094)

Well, it would probably run games like Starcraft just fine.

Just not the shiney new games like Battlefield.

Re:Existing games. (1)

N1KO (13435) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146524)

But games are supposed to be fun. Playing starcraft without a keyboard would be a bit slow but not impossible. Playing starcraft without a mouse and with a tiny screen would be horrible.

Does it wrap around your butt-cheeks? (1, Funny)

orthogonal (588627) | more than 9 years ago | (#9145844)

If it folded (or better, slid open to reveal a mini-keyboard) I'd buy it to replace my Zaurus and run 20GB of MP3s and a copy of xmms (or winamp).

But with that elbow bend, it's useless.

Forget gaming - this gadget has other uses (4, Insightful)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 9 years ago | (#9145871)

Looks like a low power server to me. Or a GPS unit with software you can update. I'd sit one on the dash of my van.

It'd also be great for emulation. The thing just screams MAME. Or Ultimate Amiga Emulator.

How about portable network analyzer? It'll probably run standard Linux distros.

This thing is not a toy. Well..ok. It is a toy, but it's useful too.

Weaselmancer

Re:Forget gaming - this gadget has other uses (1)

System.out.println() (755533) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146163)

Looks like a low power server to me. Or a GPS unit with software you can update. I'd sit one on the dash of my van.

It'd also be great for emulation. The thing just screams MAME. Or Ultimate Amiga Emulator.


Assuming there are emulators for Linux (never looked, but I can't imagine they aren't out there) it sounds like you're in the market for a Zaurus [sharpusa.com] .

PC games (3, Informative)

Kris_J (10111) | more than 9 years ago | (#9145875)

If it plays Diablo II, it's a lot smaller than the thing I currently lug to LAN sessions.

Re:PC games (1)

Trejkaz (615352) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146478)

I see no mention of ethernet there though. Then again I suppose a wireless bridge isn't out of the question.

Can it run outlook or palm desktop (4, Insightful)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 9 years ago | (#9145886)

... and maple or mathmatica?

Yes it wont sync but it would be nice to use it as a pda/calculator/game machine. Why settle on just one this.

Hmm maybe if any VIA employee's are reading this, you may want to consider mathmatical keys and a mini qwerty keybord. If it runs more things than games you could expand your marketshare.

First handheld device ! (4, Funny)

lethalwp (583503) | more than 9 years ago | (#9145900)



Via is proud to present its first new line of handheld game console that has all the abilities of windows XP, this all into your pocket!

- it bluescreens
- it eats more power than required, replace the batteries every 2 hours
- you have to reinstall windows xp every month
- it can get worms if you plug it on internet! (no need to install outlook, the disk share will be enough)
- ... :)

Can it run linux? :)

Re:First handheld device ! (1)

homeobocks (744469) | more than 9 years ago | (#9145989)

Um . . . I think you need to buy the extra SIM to get the viruses and bluescreens^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^ H^H^H^H extra features.

Re:First handheld device ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9146132)

...^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H...

You know, you could try using ^W and save yourself twenty keystrokes or so...

Re:First handheld device ! (1)

Trejkaz (615352) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146517)

I love how this is a troll when at least two of the four points (1 and 4) are fairly accurate and the other two aren't far off either.

Someone mod this funny, damnit... or something.

cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9145924)

if it runs starcraft and/or civilization 2, gimme one right now!

I hope it comes to market (5, Interesting)

AVryhof (142320) | more than 9 years ago | (#9145934)

I hope this thing comes to market. Then Fails, Think Dreamcast Folks!

It's likely to be cheaper than an iPaq, and if it has USB (which makes me wonder how you get the games onto the 20GB Hard Drive) you can plug a USB Mini Hub into it for Keyboard/Mouse and have a sweet little Linux Box... or even a portable Emulation System....The possibilities look appealing.

Arrgh! But I don't think you'd want to try word processing on a 4" screen.

USB (1)

kunudo (773239) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146038)

THe usb protocol/whatever isbased on a client/server model. Keyboards are clients, the USB controller on you PC is the server. My guess is, that since you're connecting this to your big PC to download games, it only has a client chip.

Re:I hope it comes to market (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9146122)

The Dreamcast was (and still is) one of the greatest 3D game system ever made. Its failure comes from the lack of good advertisment and the possibility to copy games very easily. It has absolutely no connection with this piece of crap [windowsfordevices.com] that won't fill any so called needs.

Vaporware (5, Interesting)

KrispyKringle (672903) | more than 9 years ago | (#9145937)

This is just plain vaporware. According to the Gizmodo article, it's a mini-ITX. Gee, the advantages of that over an x86 laptop are what, exactly? The lack of a folding screen?

So let's see...it's a 500MHz x86 with only 128MB of RAM, a fixed LCD that goes only to 640x480, and a case that exists only in the crappy renders of second-rate designers. And it seems like it's meant to be limited only to games, not other Windows applications. Sure beats a standard laptop...

Anybody care to explain why I should think this is more than (exceptionally incompetent) vaporware?

Re:Vaporware (1)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146172)

"Sure beats a standard laptop... "

On an airplane it sure would. Though I'd rather have a Nintendo DS.

Re:Vaporware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9146227)

It's not a mini-ITX. Someone forwarded the info to me from a post on mini-itx.com and I made a bad assumption. That's why it is crossed out now.

Joel (Editor, Gizmodo.com)

x86? So what? (3, Interesting)

homeobocks (744469) | more than 9 years ago | (#9145960)

It claims that having an x86 CPU is a big plus, but how many consumers either: a) know what a processor architecture is, or b) care? It could be so that it runs Windows, to play Windows games, but with the size of the hard drive (20gb) and the current size of games (UT2004 is >5gb), how many PC games will fit? In a year, when the MoMA is released, I don't think that games will be getting any smaller.

Re:x86? So what? (1)

Frenchy_2001 (659163) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146379)

would you really play UT2k4 on a 533MHz processor anyway? I did not think so... However, if you think about the kind of games that come out on the GBA, this is a *VERY* capable console. Hell, 30%+ of the games on GBA are nothing more than ports of SNES games to the portable. I emulated SNES perfectly on whimpier computers than that. To compete with the GBA games, that would be fine. Supermarkets are full of ~$10 games that are 3-5 years old and still as fun. Someone mentioned Monkey Island, you could talk about tetris, worms or other simple games that came originally on FLOPPIES! The only problem so far is price (and it is a big one). But game possibilities and multimedia? This side seems covered...

Another footnote? (1)

DaveCBio (659840) | more than 9 years ago | (#9145992)

Most likely. After all, who wants to play PC games they played 3 years ago even if they are portable?

Re:Another footnote? (2, Funny)

kunudo (773239) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146055)

*cough* counterstrike *cough*

Yes, it's as popular as ever, if you hadn't noticed.

Re:Another footnote? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9146072)

agreed, 3 years is not far enough. almost all the games from three years ago will look just like poor men's version of today's games.

7+ years ago would benefit from nostalgia factor...

I might buy one... (3, Insightful)

steveha (103154) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146020)

...in about a year, after this crashes and burns horribly in the marketplace, when they dump the remaining inventory through TigerDirect or eBay or something. After the miserable failure of this product, we will probably be able to get one for a couple hundred dollars or so.

I mean, look at the thing. $500, then you get to pay more to turn on the disabled features? A weird, non-foldable shape that won't fit in a pocket and might not even fit in a briefcase? This thing is a trainwreck of a product.

I just hope the product engineers planned ahead for the dismal sales, and designed it to be easy to hack (bootable from USB, etc.)

This would make a decent little gadget for playing my old Atari 2600 games. The tiny screen wouldn't be a handicap and the controls are right there. If you can get MAME on it you could play quite a lot of stuff.

You could also use it as a "photo wallet" (each day on vacation, dump all your photos to its hard drive, look at them with the screen to verify that they are there, and wipe your camera's chips clean for the next day). It only has CompactFlash, though.

You could even use it as a universal remote for your home; with 802.11 networking, it could talk to a computer and you could then do anything.

Of course you could use it as a portable audio/video player, if you can deal with the awkward shape.

Let's hope they make lots of these things before they figure out that no one wants them; they'll be really cheap!

steveha

Notebook? (2, Informative)

Ryan Mallon (689481) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146024)

A small notebook pc would be about as easy to carry around as that thing, and it will play most existing pc games too. Plus the notebook's screen will actual ly fold down, meaning you could store it somewhere when you aren't using it.

But the question is, (1)

Trejkaz (615352) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146538)

Would a notebook computer fit in my pocket, like my existing portable gaming solution?

PDA/iPod Hybrid? (3, Interesting)

SamBaughman (74713) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146037)

Look at Palm devices: more and more games are being added to the library for this family of PDA's. A lot of games are coming out for Microsoft's Pocket PC platform. The only drawback for these systems is a lack of internal storage.

Look at iPods: a ton of local storage, a well-designed user interface, and the "cool" factor that marketing companies spend billions searching for. But other than video and some basic text notes (that you can't edit on the device), the iPods and other hard drive-based media centers can't play games or do other "computerish" tasks.

What happens when we combine these two products? Eve. It's a Pocket PC, but since it runs "XP Embedded" you can theoretically run any existing PC game. Spend a little time and effort, and you won't even need a USB keyboard. You could also just store music or video on there.

It's an RCA Lyra with a bit more processing power and an add-on controller. If they can hit the $500 point next year, there might (might) be a market, but I think more people will buy it for high quality video on a teeny screen than for any gaming options.

Ooooh, and wi-fi, so you can watch the videos on the other Eves are you...

Who needs that #@?! (1)

amix (226257) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146097)

Seriously... Who needs that shit ? The VIE EDEN platform is not capalbe of playing high qulaity games. The old DOS based games you could play would be fine with DOS. A lot of people might fall on the "plays thousands of PC games" because they think it plays them DOOM3 oh the tram. It won't. When do these companies realize the real need ? A PDA below the USD400 price tag in metal casing, with classical PDA functions and a built in 1.8" HDA so you can seriously use it for MP3. Oh, and add a GPRS system.

You too can play such exciting titles as... (2, Funny)

Eagle5596 (575899) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146123)

Warcraft I, Dungeon Hack, and the entire Zork Trilogy with your blazing fast 533MHz processor!

VIA vs. VAIO (4, Insightful)

Kozar_The_Malignant (738483) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146133)

I think this niche is already filled by the Sony Vaio TR series. At 1.4"x7.4"x10.6" the Sony is pretty darn small. The Sony has a 1 GHz pentium M, .5 GB DDR ram, and a 40 GB drive. It comes wireless equipped, and, no, I don't own one. Base model runs $2,200 US, which is probably a bit more than the VIA/MOMA will sell for, I'm sure.

My analysis (3, Insightful)

Dun Malg (230075) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146158)

"It's funny that you say that it comes out of nowhere,... It actually fills a vacuum in the market," of an X86-based handheld, [said Andrew "Bunnie" Hwang)

The reason there's a vaccuum in that segment of the market is that, at this point, anything that fits that vaccuum is going to SUCK!

Honestly, what games are there for the PC platform that A) require only 640x480, B) run adequately at 500-odd mHz/128MB RAM, and C) require only a D-pad and four buttons to control? I sounds like this overpriced toy is going to require games written specially for it, so what's the point of making it x86 PC compatible?

Re:My analysis (1)

trouser (149900) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146556)

so what's the point of making it x86 PC compatible?

Shit load of existing dev tools, a choice of operating systems, a lot of games will already work on it, homebrew development would be a piece of piss, it has built in wireless so if I install Linux or Cygwin/Mingw under Windows then I've got an awesome wardriving tool. How to type without a keyboard? Ummmm. OK, so I'll learn Morse code and write a custom keyboard driver and then.....

Arguably a GB Advance is a better gaming platform but shit I'd like one of these if the price is right and they fix the stupid case design so that you can fold it up and put it in your pocket.

Answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9146559)

I can see someone playing Diablo 2 on this. Might not be the easiest thing ever, and only 4 hotkeys, but it could be done.

Bad form factor, but look at the games (2, Interesting)

pridkett (2666) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146201)

If you're astute and look at this picture [ziffdavisinternet.com] you'll see that it's not just a Ministry of Mobile Affairs logo on the screen. In fact, it's a logo photoshopped over a Half Life screen. Mmm...portable half life.

Oooh! Wing commander! Hope I can free up 640k! (1)

Mustang Matt (133426) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146222)

I'm guessing the CPU power of this thing is enough to drive old non-3d dos games and that's about it.

Re:Oooh! Wing commander! Hope I can free up 640k! (1)

System.out.println() (755533) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146253)

I know I could run Descent 2 on my 486 back in the day, and this has roughly 5 times the clock speed. I bet it'll run games up to about Half-life era graphics, maybe a little more.

Re:Oooh! Wing commander! Hope I can free up 640k! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9146499)

Well, my 266mhz let me run:

Half life
counter strike
Unreal tournament
quake 3
age of empires 1/2
thief 1/2
And many others... everything on top of win2k server. Maybe you should learn how to give good use to old hardware.

It all depends... (3, Interesting)

mrgreen4242 (759594) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146323)

The key to this device's success is going to come down to 2 things, imho...

1) Price. If you can get a PSP cheaper, it's going to fail. Period. The PSP is probably going to start at, what, $200-250? So I'd say it'd better be around $150-175 MAX if it wants any chance at all.

2) Accessories. It was mentioned above that they intend to have a detachable game pad area, and I hope that it uses some sort of customized USB 2.0 connection for that so they can have a large array of easy to develop add-ons. Examples: A mini-keyboard, a stand with a built in USB HUB, so you can plug in a mouse/keyboard or external HD/DVD drive, or whatever you want. Also, a Wi-Fi add-on (or standard built in) would be an obvious must have.

A 533mhz cpu with 128mb ram will run some pretty decent games. If this GPU subsystem is decent at all, and they have some sort of widdled down version of widows running you could conceivably run Q3 based games, which is pretty nice for a handheld system.

Personally, I think that if this does make it to market, it will fail on both points 1 and 2. It will likely be in the $300-400 range, since they will have to actually make money on the hardware, as they don't get licensing fees from software sales like Sony and Nintendo. The accessories will likely be available, but will be either too expensive, reach market to late, or be just plain stupid (think GB camera and printer).

If it does manage to hit the shelves at a decent price and they improve the form factor some, it could be a very cool gadget. In all likelihood, however, I think I will be one the ones grabbing one of these as they get discontinued so I can turn it into a bathroom email/web browser!

Infinium Labs' Phatom to debut (1)

z00z (661886) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146334)

On a slightly related note, Infinium Labs' [infiniumlabs.com] website claims that their "Phantom Gaming Service" will debut at E3 in Los Angeles, May 12-14, 2004. That's now!

Anybody with more information? Did they actually show anything that works? I wonder what this "Service" is!

Well... (1)

daishin (753851) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146338)

Why isnt there a /usr/doc/Linux-HOWTO/EVE-MOMA-Linux-HOWTO yet?

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9146476)

Because the 3 people in the world who want to run Gayux on it are busy stroking their egos.

Monstrosity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9146340)

If the device really looks like that i'd be surprised if it even made it into the shops. I'd be prepared to place money on the fact that it wont even make it through the door, and if it did I doubt it would be successful.

a little harsh (1)

emkman (467368) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146344)

Who the fuck do these people think are going to make games for these 1823192837 different devices? Here's a hint: not Nintendo or Sony.

But if it plays exisiting pc games, they dont need an exclusive publisher of any type. The Gamepark GP32 seems to do pretty well, and people really just put MAME on it.

Portable Half-Life (1)

maxdamage (615250) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146420)

Wifi halflife on demand whereever I am without a laptop... this is the work of the devil!

WAH (1, Interesting)

cubicledrone (681598) | more than 9 years ago | (#9146526)

It SUX! It Blows! It's stupid looking! Sony RUL3Z!! Gamecube SUX!! BLAAAHH!!.

Four months ago everyone (and that means EVERYONE) said the Nintendo DS would tank. Now people can't get enough of how cool it is. Now everyone is saying the PSP will tank, when four months ago it was to "instantly stomp Nintendo out of the handheld market."

Face it folks. Everything sux. Because everything sux, nothing has any value. When nothing has any value, it is much easier to ignore the suffering of other people.

People are losing their jobs right now because "everything sux." Little gets invented at large companies any more because "everything sux." Good projects never get funded because "everything sux." Businesses can't get capital becuase "everything sux." Society suffers because "everything sux."

Yeah. It's important.
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