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North America's Fastest Linux Cluster Constructed

CowboyNeal posted more than 9 years ago | from the where-was-the-lightning dept.

Linux 325

SeanAhern writes "LinuxWorld reports that 'A Linux cluster deployed at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and codenamed 'Thunder' yesterday delivered 19.94 teraflops of sustained performance, making it the most powerful computer in North America - and the second fastest on Earth.'" Thunder sports 4,096 Itanium 2 processors in 1,024 nodes, some big iron by any standard.

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but... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9147302)

... can it get FP ??

PEOPLESPRIMARY.COM MUST DIE!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

hot_Karls_bad_cavern (759797) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147307)

Peoplesprimary.com (not to be confused with peoplesprimary.org (safe)) are a bunch of fucking toolass cunts. i'm sure many of you have noticed their stupidass link showing up that open a million windows (not mine though, mozilla, motherfuckers) and play a *loudass* swf file repeating Hey everybody, i'm looking at gay porn!. The background is a really nice shot of some bitch that got shit on (your thing? not mine.).

It's nabbing shit from your clipboard (put in any uid/pass/url values lately?) too.

Here is all the info i have on those cuntfaces at this time....more to come. [earthfuckers.com]

Re:PEOPLESPRIMARY.COM MUST DIE!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9147367)

Mod parent up. Those fuckers got me fired.

Re:PEOPLESPRIMARY.COM MUST DIE!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9147426)

You got fired??

HAHA_-_HAHA HAHAHA HEHEEHE HOHOHO HAHAHA HAR HAR HAR -_- HAHA_-_HAHA HAHAHA HEHEEHE HOHOHO HAHAHA HAR HAR HAR -_- HAHA_-_HAHA HAHAHA HEHEEHE HOHOHO

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Imagine a ... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9147308)

pineapple on a monkey.

And you thought I was going to say something else...

Re:Imagine a ... (1)

Zordak (123132) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147466)

That is the only good "Beowulf cluster" joke I am likely to read in this thread (that includes the "We're going to see so many Beowulf cluster jokes" posts). You actually made me laugh out loud.

Re:Imagine a ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9147498)

Pleased to be of service ;-) Hope the coffee didn't spray over the keyboard!

Re:Imagine a ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9147546)

It's not a "Beowulf cluster" joke. It's the old "Pineapple on a monkey" joke. You must be a slashdot newbie...

;-)

Whoa. (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9147309)

That is indeed one badass piece of silicon.

Now, this may sound stupid, but, who has the fastest computer in the World?

Very great and all... (5, Interesting)

irokitt (663593) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147310)

But why did they use itanium processors? Were they acquiring parts before Opterons were availabel? Did they have a problem with Xeon processors? Or did they have too much cash lying around?

Re:Very great and all... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9147352)

About the only think the Itanium II is any good at is FP. Well, when you use a 6MB L2 cache variant ...

Re:Very great and all... (5, Insightful)

MBCook (132727) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147409)

I like the Opteron as much as the next guy and I'm no fan of the Itanic. But the fact is that for some types of calculations the Itanium can smoke Opterons. If you want the fastest, in many cases you want the Itanium. If you want the best value (which still performs quite close to the fastest), you want an Opteron. I don't remember which operations are better on which, so you'll have to look that up (or someone will reply with the answer).

Depending on budget, price (I wouldn't be suprised if Intel cut them a sweet deal to get this cluster publicized to help our their product's sales), and other factors, the Itanium could have been a good choice.

Especially if they were using software that had been designed for the Itanium (like they were replacing an older cluster) then they wouldn't have to port the software which would have saved real money.

I'm not a fan of Intel lately, but the Itanium isn't overpriced garbage no matter what. That smacks of fanboyism. Interesting you didn't add G5s to your list, BTW.

ALSO: Don't forget that the Itanium 2 was DESIGNED FOR big iron, while the Opteron was designed for servers and small iron. They can be used in other ways (you could run a web site off an Itanium 2), but the Itanium was designed for these kind of applications.

Re:Very great and all... (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147424)

The Itanium 1/2 has much better compilers for science related workloads.

Re:Very great and all... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9147455)

I don't know about you but the last I looked at the intel compilers they sucked major ass! I believe they probably used gcc compilers which have been optimized quite well.

GNAA presents.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9147313)

GNAA claims responsibility for Momfuck virus.

By Horatio Brunswick

New York, NY - GNAA (Gay Nigger Association of America) The GNAA today claimed
responsibility for the release of the devastating trojan Momfuck.1o1, which has
caused an estimated 486 billion dollars US in lost productivity and unread
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In a drastic escalation of their widely criticized christmas island bombing
campaign which has killed thousands of defenceless CI natives, the GNAA made
vague threats last week in a "first post" on slashdot.org, a popular "news for
trolls" website. In the post (not published here due to profanity and ascii
nudity) the GNAA threatened the "Destruction of all internet" if net martyr
http://www.goatse.cx was not immediately reinstated. Initally dismissed by self
proclaimed security experts Cowboykneel and Linux Toreballs as a childish lark,
the world was totally unprepared for the storm to come.

Momfuck.lol exploits three vulnerabilities within Linux's UPnP implementation:
a remotely exploitable buffer overflow that allows an attacker gain SYSTEM
level access to any default installation of Linux, a Denial of Service (DoS)
attack, and a Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attack. Within hours of
release, every backbone in the country had become infected with the virus,
bringing the internet to a crashing halt. The DHS announced an orange alert
when the virus spread to even such such remote non-countries as Canada and
England, becomming a worldwide computer epidemic. The sequence of events that
followed was devastating. ATMs in several states began routing funds from
caucasian bank accounts into a GNAA controlled cayman islands account. Traffic
lights in all major metropolitan areas malfunctioned, displaying pink rather
than the standard red yellow and green configuration, causing unprecedented
accidents and traffic delays. Radio stations ceased transmitting their standard
programming and began a round the clock broadcast of a bootleg of the Village
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get a life, faggots. FBI Department head John Asscrotch is expected to resign
in disgrace shortly.

What follows is a transcript of an actual internet relay chat conversation,
with two individuals who seem to have been infected by momfuck.lol. It is my
hope that this will help computer users to recognize and avoid the virus if
encountered.

* Now talking in #eurotekken

* Topic is 'http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.p hp?s=&postid=1527925#post1527925 : everyone give your 0.00c'

* Set by SirCane on Tue Apr 06 15:57:26

<l0de> "Mom, I can't sleep would you mind if I get in bed with you?

<l0de> I have virus!

<l0de> She was wearing a baby doll semi-see through nightie, and was embarrassed to let me in bed with her.

<subt-L> haha.. this is a fucking crazy virus..

<l0de> I can't type this fast!

<l0de> However she remembered how I had let her sleep with me when she needed to.

<l0de> Oh my god.

<l0de> "Sure John, it's a big bed," she said in an uncertain tone.

<l0de> "Mom, would you mind if I snuggle a little with you.

<l0de> I just feel kind of sad tonight, I need you close to me."

<l0de> I said; without waiting for an answer I pulled her tight against me.

<l0de> I kept grinding my crotch into her ass trying to get comfortable.

<Exygone> LOL, random flag in between

<l0de> My hands crept up to her breasts and began playing with them, lazily at first.

<Exygone> too good

<l0de> "John... JOHN what are you doing?

<l0de> This is giving me such a headache! I have to go to school in 3 hours and my term paper is not saved!

<subt-L> this is fucking insane..

<l0de> Stop that and go to sleep."

<subt-L> haha

<l0de> But I could not stop.

<neoKEN> jewish hacker. ho ho ho

<l0de> I pulled her nightie up and wet my finger.

<l0de> I then stuck it into her slightly moist pussy.

<l0de> "John listen to me, stop right now.

<l0de> This has to stop.

<neoKEN> go into command prompt

<l0de> You are my son, and we can't do this.

<Exygone> there it is again

<l0de> Please John don't do this to me."

<Exygone> hahaha

<neoKEN> type NETSTAT -o

<subt-L> don't click on irc links..

<l0de> I did stop then and sat up next to her.

<l0de> I pulled her into my lap and cupped her breasts in my hands while licking her ear.

<l0de> "Susan honey, we need to talk, we need to finish this.

<l0de> I told you a long time ago that I love you, that I need you.

<subt-L> good lesson to learn.

<l0de> I want to possess you utterly.

<l0de> I want you to give me your body, to make love to me.

<l0de> I have a tape mom.

<neoKEN> it will show u all the connection on your computer

<l0de> A tape of you raping me.

<l0de> I could blackmail you, send you to jail.

<l0de> neoken- I will never click another link again

<l0de> But that does not get me what I want.

<l0de> I don't just want you on Christmas, I don't want stolen kisses, or the occasional snuggle.

<neoKEN> save that in notepad.

<l0de> I want you to want me.

<l0de> To be hot and wild and passionate, and completely in love with me.

<l0de> I want to have the right to grab you and fuck you anytime I want, just like dad did.

<neoKEN> u will find your hacker :P

<l0de> I want to wake up to find you sucking on my cock just because you feel like it.

<l0de> Mom can you honestly say you don't want that too?

<l0de> Oh my god. NEoken, I hit start menu but it's not popping up!

<l0de> Can you honestly say that you can bear to have me walk out of your life forever?

<l0de> Because that is what I would have to do.

<c0m> so umm why doesnt someone kick dis do0d

<l0de> You are the woman I love, the only woman I have ever made love to.

<l0de> If I can't have you, I will have to go.

<l0de> All buttons on quicklaunch don't work

<l0de> If I am near you, I have to fuck you.

<l0de> It is as simple as that," I said as I wrote my name on her breasts with my finger.

<l0de> She was crying now, and I could smell her juices beginning to boil and drip out her pussy.

<insanelee> whoever bans this guy

<insanelee> i'm gonna ban you

<neoKEN> c0m: some people enjoy reading it. lol

<l0de> She laid back against my chest and I wrapped her in my arms.

<Exygone> c0m - because insanelee is reading the story

<subt-L> he

<l0de> "I don't want to lose you, I, I know that you are more than just a son to me.

<l0de> I am so scared though.

<l0de> Wanting you this way is wrong.

<l0de> I am your mother.

<l0de> I should not let you play with my tits, I should not want you to lick my pussy, or need you to fuck my ass but for some sick reason I do.

<l0de> I know I can't allow you to fuck me, I can't let you put that big slab of cock-meat inside me.

<l0de> If I do that, there is no turning back, you will own me.

<l0de> thank u insanelee

<insanelee> i like the panic in lodes voice/msgs also

<l0de> I will become addicted to your dick.

<l0de> Oh god, what am I going to do.

<subt-L> this is sick... i think i want people to get this virus.

<Exygone> looool

<l0de> I love you John, but it is still wrong!"

<l0de> We laid that way for a long time, just holding on to each other.

<neoKEN> doesn't matter to me. i don't read #eurotekken chatlog. am not a tekken bum. lol

<l0de> My hard on was peeking up between her thighs.

<l0de> Finally I came up with a solution.

<l0de> "Mom I understand that our relationship is not normal, but it is not WRONG either.

<l0de> Making love to you could never be wrong.

<l0de> I love you and I want to show you how much.

<l0de> Susan, it's Christmas.

<l0de> Let me have you this one time.

<l0de> Make love to me, be greedy, teach me how to please you.

<insanelee> why are you thankikng me

<l0de> Make me fuck you right.

<l0de> We owe it to ourselves to try it at least once.

<l0de> You are All I want for Christmas, all I have ever wanted."

<insanelee> you are just an investment

<Exygone> lol

<insanelee> i need your stories

<l0de> Susan was quiet for a few seconds and then she slowly nodded her head.

<Exygone> an asset

<l0de> Her hands were trembling as she smiled up at me and said yes.

<l0de> I was so happy, that I crushed her against me and said over and over, "I love you baby, I am going to be so good to you, I love you mom," while kissing and hugging her.

<Exygone> in lee's masterplan

<l0de> insane- if I get banned I may never get help

<l0de> Our kisses slowly began to deepen, she was on top of me straddling my waist.

<insanelee> lol

<l0de> Her breasts were brushing against my chest and my cock was laying against her ass.

<subt-L> is it repeating? or is it still going original?

<l0de> I was licking her lips, sucking on them when her pretty, pink little tongue flicked out to meet mine.

<l0de> I sucked her into my mouth and we both let out a little sigh of happiness.

<l0de> jesus, how can I launch command prompt?

<l0de> Susan began crawling down my stomach, stopping briefly to lick my belly button clean.

<l0de> Then she began playing with my cock, rubbing it against her face, eyes, nose, sniffing and then licking and sucking it into her mouth.

<l0de> It was amazing to watch.

<l0de> My mother was overcome by a wave of pure dick-lust as she began to swallow my cock.

<insanelee> ask neoKEN

<l0de> I don't know how big my dad's cock was, but he must have been my size or bigger, cuz my mom swallowed my fat 8 incher like an old pro.

<l0de> She kept looking me right in the eye, with this wicked little grin on her face, daring me to fuck her properly.

<insanelee> i am just readin

<l0de> I did.

<subt-L> dick-lust!

<l0de> I began to ram it down her throat, we established a good rhythm.

<subt-L> hahaha

<l0de> She breathed through her nose and every 20 seconds or so I would pull out and let her lick and massage my knob (and breathe), before plunging back in.

<Exygone> lmao

<l0de> "Cum on my face baby, cum all over your mother's face," she said between slurps, and squeezes and soft, slow, sucks.

<l0de> I could not help it, she was sucking the sperm right out of me.

<l0de> I grabbed Susan's head and pulled it tight against my crotch.

<neoKEN> i don't know any other shortcuts to the command prompt other than the start menu

<l0de> I held her in place as I powerfucked her throat.

<neoKEN> ask M$

<l0de> Precum was bubbling out of me and I could hear it gurgling in her mouth.

<l0de> My balls were twitching and jerking hard now and I felt the sperm swimming their way to the head of my cock.

<l0de> "You want my sperm mom, you want some stinky-sticky?

<l0de> Take it you beautiful little slut, take your son's cum!"

<l0de> I bellowed as I shot the first load down her throat.

<insanelee> this is sick

<l0de> I remembered that she wanted some on her face too; so I pulled out and pressed my spurting cock against her nostril and shot it up her nose.

<neoKEN> comamnd prompt should be an emergency shortcut

<l0de> I had one or two dribbles left so I placed my cock on each of her eyelids and let er rip.

<l0de> Mom was a little surprised...

<c0m> this is gay\

<l0de> but she did not complain.

<l0de> I don't know if I can explain how sexy my mom looked.

<insanelee> 'cum all over your mothers face'

<l0de> My cum was in her belly, a little drop was hanging from the corner of her mouth.

<l0de> Her nose was dripping my cum, and her eyes were crusting over with it.

<l0de> (Guys try it with your girlfriend tonight, it is fucking amazing!)

<l0de> I wanted to rest for a few minutes, but I could not.

<insanelee> com shut up he needs help

<l0de> neoken- yeah, Itried ctrl alt delete but it doesn't work!

<l0de> My mom was obviously very horny and it would not have been polite to leave her hanging.

<l0de> We switched positions and I settled in for a long, slow lick.

<l0de> I may not have a lot of experience in some aspects of sex.

<l0de> Technically I am still a virgin, I guess, since mom has never let me fuck her pussy.

* c0m sets mode: +m

<c0m> yep

<subt-L> oh,,

<subt-L> ouch...

<subt-L> ...

<insanelee> ay

<insanelee> AY

<c0m> ok

<neoKEN> then he cums on her face. THE END

<c0m> lol

<Exygone> Lol

<insanelee> he stopped

<subt-L> haha

<subt-L> story time is over.

<insanelee> what the hell is this

* l0de is now known as helpplz

<insanelee> WHAT HAPPEN TO MY STORIES

<c0m> im sorry it was pretty annoying

* helpplz is now known as l0de

<subt-L> l0de didn't even get kicked.

<insanelee> yea

<insanelee> it just stopped

<insanelee> you didn't even kick him dummy

<neoKEN> sadly i haven't read anything this well written in a long time. lol

* c0m is not a dummy

* insanelee sets mode: -bb l0de!*l0de@

<neoKEN> heh, i need to read some books.

<Exygone> this guy is funny

<insanelee> bring him baaaaaaaaaaaaack

<insanelee> i want my stories

<neoKEN> exy: hahahhaha

<subt-L> that was pretty hilarious.

<insanelee> it was all a joke

<insanelee> damn it guys

<insanelee> why ruin a good thing

<c0m> its fucking annoying

* l0de is now known as cantchat

* cantchat is now known as halp

<insanelee> com

<Exygone> ;p;

<Exygone> lol

* halp is now known as l0de

<insanelee> then get the fuck out

<insanelee> pfft

<c0m> stfu bronson you get the fuck out

<c0m> you never come here

<Exygone> WHAAAAAAAAAAAT

* insanelee sets mode: +b *!*c0m@

<c0m> anyway

<Exygone> lol

* c0m was kicked by insanelee (i'm elitist)

Disconnected

* Attempting to rejoin channel #eurotekken

* Rejoined channel #eurotekken

* Topic is 'http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.p hp?s=&postid=1527925#post1527925 : everyone give your 0.00c'

* Set by SirCane!SirCane@

<l0de> Yhbt yhl

<c0m> well i could care either way

<l0de> HAND

<l0de> (^o^)b
/part

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first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9147314)

first post

I'd hate to be the guy... (3, Funny)

krammit (540755) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147315)

...who gets the electric bill.

I cringe when I leave the A/C on for too long..

Re:I'd hate to be the guy... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9147379)

Pay taxes? Then you are the guy who gets the bill.

That said, I think our national labs are pretty great when they aren't designing nukes.

Re:I'd hate to be the guy... (2, Interesting)

MrRuslan (767128) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147435)

You know what would be cool...if it would be posible to somehow recycle part of the heat from this clust into energy.perhaps tunneling all of it into one source and it boil water into steam to make energy...kidding about that last part ;)

"Most" powerful (4, Interesting)

Alomex (148003) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147318)

Look, any way you cut it the 100K computers Google is reputed to have is the most powerful Linux cluster anywhere in the world.

Re:"Most" powerful (5, Insightful)

0xC0FFEE (763100) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147385)

If google's cluster is interconnected via ethernet, there is a whole range of computational problems it can't tackle. If you want to simulate a spatial phenomenon with lot of things going back and forth in a volume, you're bound to have a _lot_ of communications. The cost of the interconnect system in those simulation systems is often a substantial proportion of the total cost of the installation.

Re:"Most" powerful (4, Interesting)

irokitt (663593) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147403)

4,096 iTanium processors versus ~8,000 boxes sporting Pentium II, III, and 4 processors. But remember that the interest Google has is in disk access and redundacy, not complex mathematical computation. So it isn't configured as a 'supercomputer' per se.

Re:"Most" powerful (4, Insightful)

smitty45 (657682) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147482)

Powerful = fastest computation, not biggest. A roomfull of Chevettes do not make a Corvette.

Re:"Most" powerful (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9147514)

Bad example. Considering they are for transportation I am sure the roomfull of Chevettes would actually get more done in less time.

If I was going to move my stuff to the other side of the country, how many trips would that take me in a Corvette?

how fast is it? (4, Funny)

chickenrob (696532) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147320)

Is it fast enough to run all the latest spyware, adware, and viruses and not slow down your solitaire game?

Re:how fast is it? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9147380)

i hear it will be able to run longhorn decently

Re:how fast is it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9147402)

Is it fast enough to run all the latest spyware, adware, and viruses and not slow down your solitaire game?

I know this is totally offtopic, but ... the funny thing about your statement is that my grandpa (81 years old) uses his computer for exactly three things: email, web browsing, and Solitaire. Darn thing keeps getting hit by spyware and viruses, and how does he notice? Solitaire doesn't run well, and he gets popup ads over it.

So I can totally relate. :-)

(Incidentally, I can't just "switch him to Firefox and Thunderbird" like I'd like to; I tried and he got all confused because the icons are different, even with the most IE-like/OE-like themes I could find. So the software can't be changed. He even gets confused by antivirus software popup messages, thinking THEY are viruses....)

Re:how fast is it? (1)

chickenrob (696532) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147425)

>He even gets confused by antivirus software popup messages, thinking THEY are viruses.... Who can tell anymore.. "warning your computer is not protected" -r

Re:how fast is it? (1)

MrRuslan (767128) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147420)

maybe in wine because windows can't take that much abuse no matter what you run it on I can bet anything on that.

Awesome! (2, Funny)

haxeh (766837) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147323)

That's amazing!

Now we can... uhh... what are we supposed to do with that much power again?

Re:Awesome! (1)

shaitand (626655) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147397)

Obviously we must use it for something constructive, like calculating the next few hundred billion digits of pie or processing random white noise in space on the extremely unlikely chance we'll be listening to the exact right piece of the sky at the exact right moment and recognize the completely alien transmission as being something other than noise.

Nah, seriously though, we'll use it to support the largest growing industry. That industry which powers and drives the human imagination and recognizes our greatest achievements. Obviously this is going to be used as a streaming pr0n server.

Re:Awesome! (1)

haxeh (766837) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147478)

mmm, pie...

seriously though, it should be able to generate its own porn, complete with a good plot, with that much power

Re:Awesome! (2, Funny)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147413)

There are only 3 things you can make with such a cluster:

a) Play Duke Nukem Forever

b) Install LongHorn

c) Benchmark it and talk about the incredible performance you get using the aformentioned games :)

Imagine a Beowulf cluster of..... (-1, Redundant)

ErichTheWebGuy (745925) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147326)

... oh. never mind. :-)

Re:Imagine a Beowulf cluster of..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9147383)

What's with the weather? It's been so DRY lately.

Just imagine (-1)

OneArmedMan (606657) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147332)

A beowulf cluster of Soviet Russian clods profiteering by running linux ..

there .. i think thats everything

Re:Just imagine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9147346)

You missed "All your base..."

Re:Just imagine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9147598)

No...... 1) Imagine a beowulf cluster of insensitive soviet russian clods belonging all your base that run linux 2) Don't forget to pay your $699 licensing fee you cock-smoking teabaggers 3) ?????? 4) profit

but but but (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9147342)

Can it run Windows?

Re:but but but (1)

phisheadrew (526202) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147610)

I hear it just barely missed the recommended Longhorn Specs. But once you turn of some of the extra graphical crap it should run alright.

Did hell freeze over? (4, Funny)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147355)

LLNL built a supercomputer, and it's going to do things besides simulate nuclear weapons [llnl.gov]?

Quick, someone ring Satan and ask how the sno-cones are.

Re:Did hell freeze over? (4, Insightful)

geek (5680) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147530)

I grew up in Livermore, the lab was some 500 yards from my bedroom window. They work on a lot more than nuke simulations, including alternate fuels (my brother in law was driving a hydrogen fuel car from the lab 10 years ago as a test), laser technology and about a million other things. Why is it people like you who hear "Nuke" rant on and on like biased little children and post inflamatory things like this?

The lab is a GOOD thing damnit. Do you even know what nukes are? What nuclear research has done for us? Grow up man.

Google Cache (3, Informative)

nadolph (661727) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147364)

http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=navclient&ie= UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=cache:http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ellnl%2Eg ov%2Flinux%2Fthunder%2F

I don't care what anyone says (5, Funny)

MrRuslan (767128) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147369)

this thing should do doom 3 with a software renderer at a very playable 47 FPS...

vs google (2, Interesting)

docl (601856) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147371)

This is probably a stupid question, but would anyone care to explain how this is different than a really large cluster. For example, if people estimate google to approach 100K nodes, how does this compare?

Re:vs google (4, Informative)

complete loony (663508) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147495)

Google have lots of little (in comparison only) jobs that have to process heaps of data, googles cluster(s) wouldn't perform well in the top 500 list since they don't concentrate on link speed, which is the main factor in performace for supercomputers, but on raw data processing power.

The GFS article that appeared a while back said they used standard 100MBit ethernet, this is not going to get you a good score in any supercomputer benchmark.

The way I see it... (2, Redundant)

blackula (584329) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147389)

...there are basically three type of clusters: 1) shared nothing: in this, each computer is only connected to each other via simple IP network. no disks are shared. each machine serves part of data. these cluster doesn't work reliably when you have to aggregations. e.g. if one of the machine fails and you try to to "avg()" and if the data is spread across machines, the query would fail, since one of the machine is not available. most enterprise apps cannot work in this config without degradation. e.g. IBM study showed that 2 node cluster is slower and less reliable than 1 node system when running SAP IBM on windows and unix and MS uses this type of clustering (also called federated database approach or shared nothing approach). 2) shared disk between two computers: in this case, there are multiple machines and multiple disks. each disk is atleast connected to two computers. if one of the computer fails, other takes over. no mainstream database uses this mode, but it is used by hp-nonstop. still, each machine serves up part of the data and hence standard enterprise apps like SAP etc cannot take clustering advantage without lot of modification. 3) shared everything: in this, each disk is connected to all the machines in the cluster. any number of machines can fail and yet the system would keep running as long as atleast one machine is up. this is used by Oracle. all the machine sees all the data. standard apps like SAP etc can be run in this kind of configs with minor modification or no modification at all. this method is also used by IBM in their mainframe database (which outsells their windows and unix database by huge margine). most enterprise apps are deployed in this type of cluster configuration. the approach one is simpler from hardware point of view. also, for database kernel writers, this is the easiest to implement. however, the user would need to break up data judiciously and spread acros s machines. also adding a node and removing a node will require re-partitioning of data. mostly only custom apps which are fully aware of your partitioning etc will be able to take advantage. it is also easy to make it scale for simple custom app and so most of TPC-C benchmarks are published in this configuration. approach 3 requires special shared disk system. the database implementation is very complex. the kernel writers have to worry about two computers simultaneously accessing disks or overwriting each others data etc. this is the thing that Oracle is pushing across all platforms and IBM is pushing for its mainframes. approach 2 is similar to approach 1 except that it adds redundancy and hence is more reliable. so what type are we talking about here?

Re:The way I see it... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9147589)

Next time you cut and paste [google.com.au] from someone else's blog, perhaps take the time to restore the paragraph tags? Smells like plagurism to me...

Clarification (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9147404)

19.94 teraflops??

Gimmy something I can grasp; what's this in BogoMips?

2nd fastest supercomputer (5, Funny)

m1kesm1th (305697) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147407)

Also in completely unrelated news, Bill Gates announced the first fully installed test of Longhorn happened today.

It's all about sticking it to the mac. (-1, Flamebait)

fimbulvetr (598306) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147422)

It's about time we moved the overpriced behemoth another step down.

Apple and it's zealot distorted-reality fans have been gloating on how the super computer mac is so fast and it does such and such.

How about a real os, with SCALABLE architecture. As opposed to powerpc. Some might argue that "powerpc and sparc64 is more scalable than x86". But ask yourself, is it really?

How about the hardware the average consumer buys? It's more scalable relative to how much hardware I can purchase, and what I can do to upgrade my computer. Anyone try buying an upgrade for a PPC motherboard lately? CPUs? Apple hasn't innovated hardware-wise in years.
PCs have so many little mini-connecters, I get confused. But chances are I can buy *cheap* video editing hardware and *cheap* good soundcards that work sweet with these things.

The x86 market is scalable to the average consumer.

Linux is the new OS of choice. x86 has ALWAYS been the arch of choice. If you disagree, why do I have every driver for almost every NIC on linux for x86, but I can't get any nic laying in a box to work on a mac?

MACS ARE DIEING!

Re:It's all about sticking it to the mac. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9147533)

God damn you are stupid. That is all.

Fanboy showing ignorance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9147538)

"How about a real os,"
Hmmm.. FreeBSD 4.4 base with the best gui isn't real?

"I can't get any nic laying in a box to work on a mac"
This sounds like a user error to me. Almost every piece of hardware I plugin is automatically picked up.

you keep referring to x86 when this article is not based on IA32, but Itanium IA64.

"But chances are I can buy *cheap* video editing hardware and *cheap* good soundcards that work sweet with these things."
The sound cards in Macs are already top notch as is core audio - just look in any sound studio worth their salt.

I like linux as much as the next guy, but don't shout off about things you aren't intelligent about.

Re:It's all about sticking it to the mac. (1)

maeltor (679257) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147580)

Your post doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the topic.

You honestly think they built this machine to "stick it to the mac"

Wow, talk about zealot distorted reality. I'm amazed by your total lack of intelligent thought.

"Some might argue that powerpc and sparc64 is more scalable than x86. But ask yourself, is it really?"

Last I checked, this ITANIUM2 machine isn't about proving scalabity on x86 arch machines (btw ITANIUM isn't your typical home consumer x86 boxen). In fact I think they were going for specific types of computation when this was developed, but you know...I may wrong. :rolleyes:

Its all about choosing the right hardware for the job.

Your last statement is bullshit too. x86 is the most common arch because of original ease of use and relatively cheap hardware. Just because you can get drivers for a lot of "NIC's" on Linux boxes doesn't exactly prove that x86 is more scalable.

FLAMEBAIT

Re:It's all about sticking it to the mac. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9147581)

I'm going to guess and call troll. I almost bit on it but then I restrained my self when I realized that the poster didn't really say anything intelligent. For a consumer there is really no need to upgrade a computer other than memory. When is the last time your mom went out and bought a new motherboard for her PC? Thats what I thought, it probably never happened.

I'm still waiting to see how much this cluster costs. I'm going to guess it was a pretty penny with quad Itanium processors.

OK, here goes... (3, Funny)

rco3 (198978) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147423)

Hey, with a Beowulf cluster of these, I can run Longhorn!

OK, I'm done. Sorry. Mod away!

apple's response will be interesting (4, Insightful)

Twid (67847) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147427)

If I calculate right, they are claiming an Rmax of 19.94 teraflops with 4096 processors.

The Virginia Tech cluster for Apple had an Rmax of 10.28 teraflops with 2200 processors.

So, the Itaninum 2 delivered 4.8 gigaflops per processor, the G5 delivered 4.6 gigaflops per processor.

This seems like a pretty poor showing for Itanium 2, overall. It's a much hotter chip than the Opteron or the G5, so cooling and power costs are likely much higher than a comparable apple cluster. The Xserve G5 is also likely cheaper than a similarly equipped Itanium 2 server, given that the Itanium 2 is $1398 per chip on Pricewatch, and a dual processor Xserve G5 cluster node is $2,999 list. Even with 4 cpus in a single box, I think the Itanium 2 server would easily top $6,000.

But anyway, good game to Lawrence Livermore. I'll be curious to see if Apple has another volley to fire before the top500 list closes for this round.

Re:apple's response will be interesting (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147508)

One doesn't buy from vendors listed on pricewatch for systems like this. I am sure that they got a large volume/make intel look good discount.

Re:apple's response will be interesting (2, Interesting)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147529)

I love G5s, but Virginia Tech's cluster IMO can't say much until they get the G5 Xserves, because the PowerMac G5s don't have ECC memory. ECC is very important for such a large scale project that runs simulations where data is stored in RAM for any meaningful duration.

Re:apple's response will be interesting (1)

System.out.println() (755533) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147600)

They haven't got the XServes installed yet? I know they were selling their old G5 PM's as a special refurb sort of deal.

As for "can't say much"... I think that having the world's third fastest supercomputer for a fraction of the cost of its peers says plenty.

Re:apple's response will be interesting (2, Interesting)

gerardrj (207690) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147567)

There's also the difference in the interconnects, that has a lot to do with the efficiency of the system as a whole.
Lets see what the VTech system does with ECC RAM installed when some node's aren't double-checking other node's results.

Re:apple's response will be interesting (2, Interesting)

System.out.println() (755533) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147573)

And don't forget that the current round of G5's are currently almost a year old... and long due for an upgrade. I hope some other instituion builds a 1,500 G5 2.6 GHz cluster :) (Or something to that effect.)

Re:apple's response will be interesting (1)

Divine_Entity (707314) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147592)

Well, Apple doesn't make processors Intel does, Apple just puts them in a pretty package and gives you software to go with it. So what I beleieve you mean is won't " IBM's response be interesting " since they make the G5 and sell it to apple

Second fastest on earth? (2, Interesting)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147469)

yeah, that we know about. I remember the article on google a few weeks ago that made everyone think just what they hell they're running over there. I wouldn't be surprised if governments kept other supercomputing clusters secret. I don't mean anything tin-foil-hatish here, I'm just thinking that some governments have test facilities that they don't let the public know about.

Re:Second fastest on earth? (1)

BCW2 (168187) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147565)

Who but the Japanese or the British have the technology? All US national labs have them, + CIA, NSA, DOD, and several other Govt agencies. My guess is the US Govt has at least 35 supercomputers spread out all over the place. Thats a bunch of power. Most is used in research and weapons design. NSA for code making and breaking. They probably have several more on order.

Treasury could use one to figure out the tax code, nothing else has worked.

Heat (3, Funny)

Rick Zeman (15628) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147485)

4,096 Itanium 2 processors in 1,024 nodes

So THAT'S what's causing our heat wave!

Re:Heat (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9147519)

That's Intel, not AMD, bitch.

Wow (2, Informative)

0xC0FFEE (763100) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147509)

Here's a picture: http://doc.quadrics.com/quadrics/QuadricsHome.nsf/ DisplayPages/3A912204F260613680256DD9005122C7

Re:Wow (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9147547)

These are not the nodes we are looking for...

Yes, but does it run Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9147511)

Oh... right.

Just a little ahead of Apple when you look at... (-1, Redundant)

callipygian-showsyst (631222) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147532)

Just a little ahead of Apple when you look at terraflops/processor.

If I calculate right, they are claiming an Rmax of 19.94 teraflops with 4096 processors.

The Virginia Tech cluster for Apple had an Rmax of 10.28 teraflops with 2200 processors.

So, the Itaninum 2 delivered 4.8 gigaflops per processor, the G5 delivered 4.6 gigaflops per processor.

This seems like a pretty poor showing for Itanium 2, overall. It's a much hotter chip than the Opteron or the G5, so cooling and power costs are likely much higher than a comparable apple cluster. The Xserve G5 is also likely cheaper than a similarly equipped Itanium 2 server, given that the Itanium 2 is $1398 per chip on Pricewatch, and a dual processor Xserve G5 cluster node is $2,999 list. Even with 4 cpus in a single box, I think the Itanium 2 server would easily top $6,000.

But anyway, good game to Lawrence Livermore. I'll be curious to see if Apple has another volley to fire before the top500 list closes for this round.

before everyone starts shouting at once... (4, Insightful)

painehope (580569) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147574)

yes, they're hot as hell and eat power the way oprah eats twinkies, and yes Intel has made a poor handling of the Itanium line, but the Itanium architecture is very interesting, and is actually very appropriate for a HPC environment. Not the part of the HPC market that clusters dominate, but the segment that Cray, SGI, HP Alphaservers, etc. have traditionally dominated. The segment that doesn't give a shit about cooling, power consumption, or price-performance, but who just need to get the job done as quickly as possible.

Some of the coolest features of the Itanium are also some of the reasons why a lot of people don't want to use it. The EPIC ISA, for example. It was designed ( along w/ the physical hardware ) to expose a lot of the internal workings of the processor to the user. But rather than recompile and re-optimize their code, people would rather bitch about migration. That's fine for workstations and servers, but in an HPC environment, you want the nifty features, you want to occasionally hand-tune code segments in assembler, etc.

Anyways, I'm not a fanboy ( well, maybe an AMD and MIPS fanboy ), just wanted to get in a few honest points before everyone started shooting holes in the Itanic.

What about SCO? (4, Funny)

watsondk (233901) | more than 9 years ago | (#9147587)


do they have the nerve to go after this cluster?

afterall they are trying extortion by lawyer against other large Linux users
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