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Suse 9.1 Reviews?

Cliff posted more than 10 years ago | from the sharing-your-opinions dept.

SuSE 406

Bruha asks: "There have been several reviews of SuSE 9.1 lately in the online press. However I'd like to hear what the buying public has to say about Novell's first release of SuSE since buying the company. I'm currently typing this article from SuSE 9.1 x86_64 and I have to say past a few quirks I'm really starting to love this distro and admire how polished it has become since 8.2 my last SuSE purchase. What are other's opinions of the software after trying it out and what problems and new things have you discovered? And if you're sticking with it after a move from another distro why did you decide to stick?"

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Yay (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9157081)

first post

Re:Yay (-1, Offtopic)

pchasco (651819) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157097)

bastard. i got shafted with the second

Re:Yay (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9157116)

Some would argue this very second is proof that Debian owns them all :>

True. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9157271)

Debian rocks my socks like a bunch of jocks with eight inch cocks sitting out on the docks behind a door closed with locks.

Wonderful article... (-1, Offtopic)

Rahga (13479) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157086)

This type of content would fit wonderfully in "Ask Slashdot."

Re:Wonderful article... (1)

SpaceLifeForm (228190) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157224)

Article? Ok, I'll say I'm definitely interested as I'm still basically on SuSE 7.3 behind an iptables firewall, but it works for me, and I would like to hear why I should upgrade.

Re:Wonderful article... (3, Interesting)

ignipotentis (461249) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157398)

This type of content would fit wonderfully in "Ask Slashdot."

That's exactly why it IS here!

If only they still supported PowerPC (1)

NekoXP (67564) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157099)

.. it might be running on one of my machines :)

(hint hint, Novell.. :)

Suse x64 and 3ware RAID (5, Informative)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157103)


Be careful if you're going to put an Escalade 850x RAID card into an AMD 64 box and run SUSE linux on it. I've been having hell trying to get it to work with 9.0. The vendor is sending 9.1 around on Monday (so this story came a couple of days early for me :-) but certainly it doesn't work on the 64-bit 9.0 version. I'm hopeful the shift from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 will have an effect...

The hardware is fine (works great in Windows), but the entire system can hang in 5 minutes once it's had Suse 9.0 installed on it. For some reason, the windows drivers are a lot better as well - the peak read and write speeds are higher :-(

Just a cautionary tale - I'll be as happy as anyone if 9.1 fixes it though :-))

Simon

Re:Suse x64 and 3ware RAID (5, Informative)

ncookperson (611202) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157368)

I actually have 4 of the Escalade 850x cards in one system, and they have been incredible stable. You will have trouble (at least I did) and have the system hang if the firmware, driver, and 3DM version don't match up so make sure they all are running at the same level. Nick

"works great in Windows" (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9157387)

just like everything else. That was all I needed to hear.

Re:Suse x64 and 3ware RAID (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9157467)

Don't count on it. I have been trying to get Suse to work with my VIA8237 south bridge (for SATA/raid) from a Gigabyte motherboard for quite some time, but it isn't recognized. A lot of distros seem to have issues with that chipset, supposedly because they expect Viatech to provide a driver for it. FreeBSD worked, OpenBSD should work now, Mandrake worked, still have yet to try Gentoo.

I don't know why they bought Suse, a for-profit company working with GPL seems like a stupid move to me. They are a sinking ship trying to get money from support? Not likely.

Suse 9.1 is like ... (5, Funny)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157106)

like ...This is like... Nothing...Nothing compares to Suse 9.1.


Darl, just step away from my computer. I can write the review on my own, thank you.

Go back to the basement.

More polished? (5, Interesting)

vxvxvxvx (745287) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157109)

I've always been in the minority when it comes to new things, or so it seems to me. You see tons of people notice huge speed increases when they try gentoo for the first time.. Yet, it didn't seem any faster to me. This is another similar situation. A lot of people have noticed a lot of improvement in SUSE every release that I simply never notice. The changes from 8.1 to 9.2 haven't been very great at all -- at least, not from my perspective. Probably, I just don't make use of these newfangled things. I did notice the new menus on 9.0 and I liked that, but for the most part SUSE 9.1 seems just like SUSE 8.1 to me.

Re:More polished? (2, Funny)

lewp (95638) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157251)

Nobody notices a speed improvement when running Gentoo. Even throwing out GNOME and replacing it with Blackbox (which is cheating, by the way) doesn't make up for the fact that your CPU is pegged at 100% 24/7 compiling shit.

Re:More polished? (1)

TheBurningDog (747915) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157359)

if your cpu is at 100% for 24 hours a day for a week, you really need a new computer. I have a relatively modest system by todays standards (AMD Athlon 1700+ , a cpu that costs $40 shipped on pricewatch), and compiled a KDE system from scratch overnight.

Re:More polished? (4, Interesting)

paranerd (672669) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157261)

...notice huge speed increases when they try gentoo for the first time.. Yet, it didn't seem any faster to me.
How far away from a Pentium I is your machine? The more modern the hardware the more boost gentoo and it's ilk provide.

Re:More polished? (3, Interesting)

Pengo (28814) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157463)

Maybe something as simple as an optimized video driver make the system feel faster than a major generation jump in CPU.

I installed a system for a friend, but running on integrated video (althlon 2200+) ran like crap until i tossed an nvida board /driver in.

I just wonder if people who use gentoo know how to generally configure their system better?

Re:More polished? (0, Offtopic)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157268)

The only SUSE I baught was 6.0 (I think).

I was totally new and everytime I added hardware I had to re-install redhat 5.2 to get it setup (auto detect was great, but could not figuire out how to install it after the fact). I would run into the same problem with the no PnP ISA hardware if I did not know my jumper settings.

With the YaST I would re-run the install program without re-installing.

I stopped using it and switched to Debiasn when Debian 2. something came out. This was because SUSE upped their price for the 6 disk set to 90 doillors. 6.0 had no home/pro devision so it was much cheaper.

Now I use Mandrake for 60 dollors a year, which still feels a little high, but it is real convienient to have mirrors and ISOs easy to find.

Re:More polished? (3, Informative)

MeBadMagic (619592) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157340)

you have got to be kidding me?

Yast has allot more ability to configure network services in 9.x

You don't think there is much difference between a 2.4 kernel and a 2.6 kernel?

KDE from 3.1 to 3.2 is dramatically better/faster. Has tighter integration with PIM/kmail.

from LILO to Grub.

Now, it would be true however, that your 56k modem still isn't any faster.....

Re:More polished? (2, Informative)

HidingMyName (669183) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157470)

One slick little feature I've noticed on 9.0 is the new desktop launcher Icon in the SuS KDE Menu. The ability to start a new session without logging out a colleague who stepped away from the machine is helpful in my lab.

Suse: (-1, Flamebait)

ArmorFiend (151674) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157114)

Suse? Isn't that one of those distributions that either costs money or ships non-free stuff? Then my opinion is "it would have to be ten times as charming as that arnold on Green Acres, know what I'm saying?".

Re:Suse: (4, Interesting)

Welsh Dwarf (743630) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157156)

First, Yast is GPLed; and seconde, if your too lazy to buy the distro, just do a ftp install...

Re:Suse: (4, Interesting)

asdfghjklqwertyuiop (649296) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157357)


if your too lazy to buy the distro, just do a ftp install...


Doing an FTP install is only an option if you can afford to wait a month or two for bugfixes (unless you build everything from source). They aren't releasing the binary RPMs for 9.1 onto their FTP servers until June.

I have 9.0 on my system. YaST2 segfaults every time I try and use the package manager or update portion of it ever since I changed my install path to a local directory. I reported the bug & sent them a backtrace and never got a response, presumably because it is either fixed in 9.1 or they're done with 9.0 now that 9.1 is out.

So you can't rely on an FTP install when the latest version availble via FTP lags a few months behind.

Overall I thought 9.0 was pretty good (albeit kind of buggy). I haven't yet decided wether I will just start shelling out to get 9.1 and subsequent releases or switch to something else. I'm waiting on Fedora core 2 to decide.

Suse woes! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9157243)

I had SuSE 9.0 and tried getting PythonCard installed; I gave up! First, even after getting the tarball to try installing from saource! All dependency files were in the "right" places, but it still could not work. My greatest annoyance though was a complete failure of SuSE to accept third party rpms and the fact that YaST2 is very very slow. Another thing is that even after doing nothing about its configuration, YaST still ran its routine, much to my annoyance...geeeeesh...I could go on and on and on...Ohh third party software compiled for SuSE is also hard to find compared to Gentoo, RedHat or Mandrake.
Cb..

Suse nonfree? (2, Interesting)

sflory (2747) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157365)

Suse 9.1 is relatively free of non-free in it's default install. (In fact I've not aware of any non free packages in my install.) Suse/Novell has been very good about GPLing a lot of their linux stuff.

That said there is a bunch of non free stuff on the Professional version, but to install it. You'll need to fire up yast after the install to install it.

The ftp install will be avaible next month.

PS- I really recommend shelling out $30-$90 as having the media on hand for an install makes things faster, and simpler. Also the professional edition comes with both x86, and amd64 plus two ~500 page manuals.

Contempt (2, Interesting)

geomon (78680) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157117)

That is why I am sticking with Red Hat. I have been with it just long enough to have 'familiarity that breeds contempt'.

I'd switch to SuSE if they still produced SPARC binaries in modern kernels. They stopped updating that arch at about 7.1.

Re:Contempt (1)

Trick (3648) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157424)

Huh? Red Hat stopped updating their Sparc version *years* ago. If I'm not mistaken, at version 6.2.

Re:Contempt (1)

geomon (78680) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157457)

I use Red Hat on my workstation and Gentoo on my SPARC. I have spent so much time on the Red Hat distro and its peculiarities (as well as Gnome's) that it is too much trouble to switch at this point.

As I said, if they still supported something other than just x86, I'd probably still use them. I have written positive reviews [linuxlookup.com] of their software in the past, so it isn't because they don't have a good system that I choose not to use them.

Re:Contempt (4, Interesting)

Bodhidharma (22913) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157437)

I'm considering SuSE for my next distro. I switched to RHEL recently because I wanted a stable, supported machine that I didn't have to think too hard about keeping up to date. Today I had to mess around because makedev from up2date conflicts with something I had to add because RedHat doesn't include multimedia support. If that wasn't frustrating enough, I upgraded to their most recent XFree86 rpms. A ctrl-shift-alt-backspace locked up my machine. It's still down because I'm tired of dealing with it for today.

I wouldn't use linux at all if java were easier to set up on FreeBSD. I don't even like java but I need it for enough things that it's worth having.

I must be a closet masochist because I keep going back to RedHat. I've messed around with SuSE, Mandrake, Gentoo and Slackware but I always felt there were compelling reasons to stick with RH. Those reasons are slowly evaporating. I really hope SuSE stays good under Novell's ownership.

Three minutes in and nothing but FPs? (1)

waferhead (557795) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157120)

There have to be more folks using this...

How 'bout some links to the reviews?

(I'm a long time Mdk Cooker fiend, but also past SUSE purchaser)

got a copy when (4, Interesting)

funwithBSD (245349) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157122)

in Vegas for Veritas Vision. (Sorry, does'nt that qualify as an oxymoron?)

I a FreeBSD bigot, but I a very impressed so far.

Stable, easy as BSD to install, the fact that you can tap into NDS, which is big at our company, and translate to LDAP is nice.

Looks like a good stable of apps too.

Re:got a copy when (1)

XMyth (266414) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157300)

What about package installation?

I've yet to see a mainstream linux distro/newbie friendly (read: mdk, redhat, suse, umm? others? not gentoo or debian) whose package management/installation holds a candle to freebsd.

Re:got a copy when (1)

red floyd (220712) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157484)

Re: mdk's package installation

Have you *tried* urpmi? Or (for the GUI minded) rpmdrake?

Re:got a copy when (1)

ignipotentis (461249) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157338)

I a FreeBSD bigot, but I a very impressed so far.

misplace that "m" key there?

Re:got a copy when (3, Funny)

Bodhidharma (22913) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157478)

misplace that "m" key there?

You have to compile an extra port to get the "m" key. :)

Re:got a copy when (1)

tempest303 (259600) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157493)

as easy as BSD to install?

Good god, if that's your benchmark for easy, what does hard look like??

(yes, I know it's not "hard" for meganerds, but wouldn't a better benchmark for "easy" be something like Fedora, Windows, or Xandros?)

I seriously didnt like Suse (-1, Insightful)

dcstimm (556797) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157127)

Suse, is probably the most restrictive distro I have used. Just trying to install something like Mythtv or just trying to compile a new module in your kernel is very hard to do, since they dont supply you with the source of the kernel your running. If its a first time trying linux, Suse might be okay, but considering you dont have much room to grow with it, I dont recommend it. I would seriously try debian or even Gentoo Linux. They have real packagemanagment, and Gentoo has excelent documentation, but you shouldnt jump into these distros if your a complete newbie. Also If your new to Linux, Learn the CLI not the GUI.....

Re:I seriously didnt like Suse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9157167)

Have you tried 9.1?

Re:I seriously didnt like Suse (3, Informative)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157171)

Maybe I' m misunderstanding... I have all my kernel sources under /usr/src/linux-2.6.4-54.5...

and it' s the kernel version downloaded via YOU.

Re:I seriously didnt like Suse (4, Informative)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157188)

Suse certainly does provide you with the kernel you're running. If you look at their patches [suse.com] page, you can see all the .rpm's have .src.rpm equivalents, including the kernel.

I haven't checked, but I'm pretty sure that the source for all the things on side 1 of the DVD is on side 2 as well...

As for 'real package management', I think (and I've only just started to use YaST today!) it's great. No problems with package management...

Simon

Re:I seriously didnt like Suse (4, Insightful)

JabberWokky (19442) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157189)

since they don't supply you with the source of the kernel your running.

yast -i kernel-source
Not that difficult. It appears to be set up and patched for either 32 or 64 bit depending on what you've installed. You can also install kernel-smp for the a more "standard" kernel, or a couple of specialized/heavily modified kernels (for firewall usage, etc).

--
Evan

They're *REQUIRED* to Provide GPL'd Kernel Sources (2, Insightful)

william_lorenz (703263) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157192)

The kernel falls under the GPL, and they're legally required to provide you with all the sources!

They do provide sources (1)

headkase (533448) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157292)

In YaST search for kernel-source and the package appears that you can install.

Re:They're *REQUIRED* to Provide GPL'd Kernel Sour (1)

ydrol (626558) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157304)

Actually

For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must give the recipients all the rights that you have. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights.

Re:They're *REQUIRED* to Provide GPL'd Kernel Sour (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9157381)

Since SuSE distributes modified kernels, they provide their own sources with their CDs and their ftp. They probably don't install the sources for a desktop target cause they don't expect the need to compile modules.

Re:I seriously didnt like Suse (1)

lewp (95638) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157205)

I've never used SUSE, but I'm pretty sure all you have to do to get the source for your kernel is install the readily available kernel source RPM.

Not installing this by default is, IMHO, a good thing since the kernel source is relatively hefty when unpacked.

Of course I could be wrong about this. If so, the kernel is GPL. If you paid for it and they won't give you the source then you should let the FSF know.

That said, I'm sure this isn't the case.

Re:I seriously didnt like Suse (2, Insightful)

Welsh Dwarf (743630) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157386)

The source is available as a RPM on the DVD (at least it was in 9.0) and is downloadable, the point is that unlike the /. crowd, the average user isn't going to compile kernel modules (or even most software), so development gear/headers + the kernel source is just excess bloat, and will probably only get used to compile a rootkit if/when the box gets compromised. Before I get modded to hell and back, this is saying nothing about the security of Suse, it's just that a development suite is a liability if you don't actually require it.

Re:I seriously didnt like Suse (2, Informative)

Nasarius (593729) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157208)

they dont supply you with the source of the kernel your running

Yes they do. Sure, it might not be installed by default, but it's right there on the CD. Yes, if you want to do crazy stuff, go with Gentoo - nothing is more flexible. If you want a solid desktop distro, SuSE and Mandrake work quite well.

Re:I seriously didnt like Suse (1)

MeBadMagic (619592) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157375)

I bet you wouldn't buy a pickup because it doesn't have a hatch-back. Hatch-backs are allot easier to access the rear cargo area than other cars ya know...

All I know is (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9157138)

That it's not Gentoo, and well, we all know if it's not Gentoo, it can't be any good.

I just went from 9.0 to 9.1 (4, Informative)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157141)

and I love it so far. I'm using (or rather, plan on using) it for MIDI and audio. I tried for a bit on 9.0 and while I got everything I wanted to work properly, the new kernel is miles ahead as far as audio goes. Everything just works. Some apps I use jack, others I use alsa. But what I've got going now is: Rosegarden, Ardour, Specimen, Fluidsynth/QSynth and Audacity. They're all great programs.

I do wish, however, that there were an app like Sonar or Cubase (and no, I haven't and won't consider running those under Wine.

Re:I just went from 9.0 to 9.1 (1)

ratl3 (656280) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157216)

I wish you could run cubase in linux also! These linux audio apps just don't cut it.

Re:I just went from 9.0 to 9.1 (1)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157276)

Actually, all the apps I mentioned get you quite close to what you can do in Sonar or Cubase. They're just not unified, which is what I REALLY want - after all, both Sonar and Cubase do a terrific job at that.

Re:I just went from 9.0 to 9.1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9157477)

You have probably heard this 1000 times, but it's a case of not... yet.

It's looking like we are going to have a 'Unix Like' audio system. :) Lots of medium sized apps that work well together, rather than running fewer large apps.

Personally, I like the way Jack lets you treat any application as a plugin of any other. For instance, I can treat a mixer channel in Ardour as a 'plug-in' of Pure-Data if I like. It's input comes from PD and it's outputs appear in PD.

I could then route PD's output to appear on a different Ardour channel, to play along with the rest of my audio tracks.

Hopefully, LASH (LASH Audio Session Handler) will be universally accepted soon. It's all very well setting up routing, but I need to be able to restore it exactly when I reload a song.

So Far so good. (2, Informative)

maddmike (131437) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157148)

The install is a breeze.

Both Gome2.4 and KDE3.2 work very well.

I've had some issues with my Haupauge card though.

The 2.6 kernel seems to be working fine.

I can see myself using this quite a bit.

Re:So Far so good. (1)

jmccay (70985) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157435)

What version of KDevelop? Does it have Anjuta, and if so, what version?

Well... (1)

The Fanta Menace (607612) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157152)

...it takes a long time to compile.

Oh, he said buying public. Cheaparse bastards like me who compile the source don't count, I guess ;)

Hardware (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9157154)

Suse 9.1 is very nice. The only problem I have is hardware support. It doesn't find my Soundcard which is a soundblaster live from dell with the addon for the outputs on the front of the tower. And also it won't see my Video Card which is a GeForce FX 5600.

Re:Hardware (1)

kidgenius (704962) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157272)

That particular Soundblaster doesn't work in Linux without paying for drivers. I remember trying to help someone out to get their's to work, and we ended up finding out that the Dell version is actually slightly different than the actual Creative SB Live card and that the standard drivers don't work. You have to buy/pay for an OSS driver.

Re:Hardware (1)

MeBadMagic (619592) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157429)

I don't think your trying hard enough.

Sound card just needs to be "tweaked" with YaST.

Geforce card works great! All you have to do is an online-update to get the first kernel update. Then install kernel souce and do another online-update to get updated kernel source. Then do another online-update to get the nvidia drivers that will compile an interface to the new kernel and source and start SaX2 (YaST X11 eqiv) to choose the FX card and configure multi-head and whatnot. The important thing to remember about Nvidia (and I love them!) is that the binary driver for linux needs to compile an interface for you kernel. Kernel source is needed. And with the benifit of YaST online-update, staying current with latest kernel is a snap!

Re:Hardware (1)

A M0nkey (513428) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157475)

Could you please send me in the right direction for this sound card "Tweaking?" Also, It seems like every ge-force card is listed under yast except the 5600, are you sure it is compatible and could you lead me to some more in depth directions?

Grammar fun! Submission with commas included. (-1, Offtopic)

Bluetrust25 (647829) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157169)

"There have been several reviews of SuSE 9.1 lately in the online press. However, I'd like to hear what the buying public has to say about Novell's first release of SuSE since buying the company. I'm currently typing this article from SuSE 9.1 x86_64 and I have to say that, past a few quirks, I'm really starting to love this distro and admire how polished it has become since 8.2 (my last SuSE purchase.) What are others' opinions of the software after trying it out? What problems and new things have you discovered? If you're sticking with it after a move from another distro why did you decide to stick?"

That's how I would edit this and my grammar is admittedly lacking in the fundamentals. How would you edit it?

It's been a while, but for comparison ... (5, Informative)

william_lorenz (703263) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157174)

It's been a while since I tried SuSE; I use Fedora Core 1 right now and soon to follow with Fedora Core 2. Despite the hype, I still believe in Red Hat. ;) Some of the things I love the most about my Fedora system include:

  • Beautiful boot screen and polished feel.
  • Easy installation from freely available CD-ROM images.
  • Automatic hardware detection via kudzu, at install time and when adding new devices.
  • Updates released regularly with the Fedora Legacy Project [fedoralegacy.org] providing updates for older distributions.
  • Many pre-built RPM packages are available on-line from projects such as Samba and otherwise.
  • Many great console & X11-based applications included by default.
  • Files and configurations are in logical places.
How does SuSE compare on some of these points? If I recall correctly, their installer made me select my network card myself, whereas Fedora did it on its own without me having to open up my machine.

Offtopic? WTF!?! (1, Offtopic)

geomon (78680) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157352)

From the topic:

"And if you're sticking with it after a move from another distro why did you decide to stick?"

How does this poster's comments fall into the category of "Offtopic" when the topic asks for the information?

Moderators on drugs, that's all it could be.

Re:It's been a while, but for comparison ... (1)

linuxpoweredtrekkie (659492) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157474)

Boot screen looks much more polished in 9.1 LIMO, although it has always looked nicer than mandrake. CD images don't seem to be freely available. Automatic hardware detection has always worked fine for me with devices which are supported under linux, there is a hotplugger Lapp which does niceitys such as adding camera icons to the desktop and autorunning various types of CD (can be turned off) Updates are released by SuSE for older distros, for major things like KDE, Gnome, Xfree etc. Most distros have great packages installed by default. Files and configuration locations is a matter of preference and what one is used to I would say. I've been using SuSE 9.1 for a few days now, and it is very nice indeed. Seems a lot more responsive with kernel 2.6 as well

Where's Gnome 2.6? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9157175)

I'm hoping that future releases of Suse will focus more on a decent (and current) Gnome environment. Most of the must-have productivity apps for Linux are Gnome/GTK based (Evolution, Mozila Firebird, OpenOffice, Gimp, Inkscape), and Evolution seems to be a key component in Novell's desktop strategy (standard Groupwise + Exchange support, Windows version coming soon).

Live CD failed me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9157182)


I use and like Suse 9.0. But I burned a Suse 9.1 Live Cd and it kept failing to boot. (I've *never* had this problem with Knoppix). It kept getting hung up on various things, different each time (weird), but the most common failure was with my LCD monitor, where it said my horizontal and vertical refresh rates were out of range.

Anyone have an idea for a fix for that?

Also, do I understand correctly that there is a problem with NVIDIA FX cards on AMD and that none of the new AMD 64 Linuxes (Mdk 10.0 for AMD, Suse 9.1 for AMD) work properly?

Live CD failed me, too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9157302)

Specifically, my sound and network cards were not detected. They are fairly common cards that work with every other Live CD I've tried, and most distros have worked with them out of the box.

Knoppix 3.4 Live CD is fucking smooth.

It's good.... (4, Informative)

jeffmock (188913) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157197)

I'm running SUSE-9.1 64-bit on a Tyan S2885 dual opteron motherboard with two SATA drives in RAID-0, just great... Boot from the DVD in rescue mode and it even finds /dev/md0 with no fiddling.

As a longtime redhat guy, I've found the new distribution for me.

jeff

Mixed results on upgrade from 9.0 to 9.1 (1)

FerretFrottage (714136) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157203)

I had Suse 9.0 installed and had been using apt to maintain my updates. I recently upgraded that machine to 9.1 and had many problems with kdm and even gnome. Every time I tried a gui login, the xserver would just restart. Since it was a test machine, I just nuked it and installed 9.1 from scratch and I really like it. Not sure if me using apt to keep my system on the bleeding edge was the cause or not, but it's the first thing that came to the top of my head. The basic server stuff can be setup via the UIs, but you still need to hand edit configs for anything non-trivial (DDNS, ldap pam with samba pdc, etc.)

Wrong crowd... (2, Informative)

lukewarmfusion (726141) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157207)

"I'd like to hear what the buying public has to say..."

And you're asking Slashdot?

Seriously, my only experience with Suse was my attempt to install it. Failure! It wouldn't recognize half of my hardware, including my network card. So I couldn't install it via the network install (which seemed to be the only way I was allowed to do it). I gave up and installed Mandrake in record time - it recognized everything right away and has worked beautifully.

And people claim Linux is easy to install/use/learn. If Suse is representative of Linux, we're in trouble. Mandrake and Knoppix are what I use to show off Linux.

MOD PARENT UP (1)

NineNine (235196) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157299)

This guy gives an honest review of SUSE (it wouldn't install), so it gets Flamebait? WTF is up with that? That's useful information. It's saved me time and money.

Re:MOD PARENT UP (1)

geomon (78680) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157383)

WTF is up with that?

The moderation system has gone completely to shit.

They just modded some poor poster as Offtopic when the information went directly to the question posed by the article.

Re:Wrong crowd... (3, Funny)

lewp (95638) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157332)

Try using non-shitty hardware.

Honestly, half your hardware? I've seen eMachines where one or two things didn't work. But half? You wouldn't happen to be using a PDP-11, would you?

Re:Wrong crowd... (1)

Kiryat Malachi (177258) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157401)

Mandrake won't recognize my USB keyboard.

I have no idea if it will recognize anything else, because I HAVE NO FREAKING KEYBOARD.

And for the record, Gentoo detects it fine; it's a MS USB keyboard, not exactly a strange piece of hardware.

ATI Radeon 9xxx with accelerated 3D support ? (1)

Jrme Zago (17794) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157223)

Does accelerated 2D/3D for ATI Radeon 9xxx cards (for instance: 9200) work out of the box on SuSE 9.1 ?

Mandrake (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9157232)

Mandrake is, by far, the best "newbie" distribution. It is very easy to install and administer, and has a really slick look and feel to it (bested only by the Knoppix 3.4 Live CD).

Personally, I think Debian rocks.

My Suse Review (1)

karmatic (776420) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157233)

I've been using RedHat [redhat.com] for a while now, so I'm probably biased.

Personally, SuSE didn't seem quite so "Finished" to me. The installer wasn't as nice, and getting some third-party apps was significantly harder for me than it was under RedHat.

All in all, it's a nice distro, but it has some significant room for improvement.

--
Nigritude and Ultramarine [t28.net]

Glorious (4, Informative)

JabberWokky (19442) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157236)

I don't have time to play around with settings or trying to get stuff working. I got 9.1 Pro at Frys during lunch. That evening, I popped out my hard drive with SuSE 8.2, left in my data drive (backed up), and put in a new drive for the install, mounting my data drive as /home. A little while later, I went to sleep, and woke up the next morning at 6am and started my work day.

Everything works. That pretty much sums it up. Printing, seeing the network, burning CDs, listening to an NPR stream. Perfect. No extra configuration, aside from downloading lame and the full MPlayer from Packman (both of which SUSE can't distribute).

--
Evan

Good; Some Pkgs Not Recog'd Initially in YaST (4, Informative)

grahamkg (5290) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157237)

I've been testing it since Monday May 10, and it seems to be okay. It is biased toward KDE, but one can fairly easily configure SuSE to be KDE- and GNOME-free, with Enlightenment as the WM.

One little item to note is that not all packages are recognized in YaST. I typically will generate a list of apps using the command:

rpm -qilp *rpm > suse_9.1
to allow me to browse descriptions of the packages and see what files are included. (Understand this can be a very large file.) Notably when I wanted to install a couple of rippers, they did not appear through YaST. Hmmm... Installing them manually:
rpm -ivh <your_favorite_program.rpm>
worked just fine. They then appeared in YaST as having been installed. This is a trivial issue, but it is annoying.

Bottom line is that SuSE 9.1 seems to be fine so far!

suse 9.1 iso downloads here (read: informative) (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9157242)

i um yeah (0, Offtopic)

abscondment (672321) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157252)

I still have bad associations with the name Novell and token-ring ethernet adapters.

*shudder*

Since 6.1 (5, Informative)

MeBadMagic (619592) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157258)

I've been a SuSE fan since 6.1.
The main sticking point for me was at that time it was the only distro that could recognise and auto-configure 2 seperate video cards for multi-head X right out of the box. It follows standard (mostly) structure so other software is easy to compile. It seems like there is the Redhat way and the Common way. I would by far recommend SuSE for newbies as the YaST tool (install/admin) is very, very easy to use. Network browsing is impressive to have working right out of the box.

I'm having allot of fun!

Re:Since 6.1 (1)

Nasarius (593729) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157281)

6.1 was my first Linux too; the first and only distro I bought in box form, actually.

I'm having allot of fun!

I love this line ("Have a lot of fun!"), because it's obviously translated from the German expression "Viel Spass!" (literally: 'a lot of fun'). :-)

SuSE 9.1 (1)

fairhouse (764207) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157277)

Still waiting on my copy. It's on back order. No idea when it will ship. Wish SuSE Novell would have it available to fill the orders.

It just rocks so damn hard! (4, Interesting)

riggwelter (84180) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157306)

SuSE 9.1 is lovely, it's polished, friendly, YaST is now Free (we've wanted that for so long), and even the box feels nice.

Once the usr local bin [usr-local-bin.org] GNOME updates are ready (I'm getting there...) it'll be even better.

sfuckeR (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9157308)

I've never ssen to download the but it's not a (7000+1400+700C)*4 To the transmission beyond the scope of Abysmal sales and

I tried the SuSE 9.1 LiveCD the other day (2, Interesting)

theantix (466036) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157330)

I was highly frustrated to see they didn't bother to include Ximian Gnome on the CD -- it was KDE or nothing. I have two network cards in my machine, and I was dissapointed to see that even though only one card had an cable plugged in it made the dead card primary so I couldn't access the internet. Of course, because it did that I got to play with YaST2 a little bit, and it was an impressive tool.

SuSE 9.1 thoughts (1)

genkael (102983) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157355)

I love SUSE 9.1. The one issue that annoyed me to no end, but was probably a good thing, was port 6000 for X11 is disabled by default starting in 9.1. This prevents xhosting to a machine without ssh. This is a necessary requirement for me, and it was relatively easy to fix.

The newest rendition of YAST is even better than 9 which was sweet.

I'm forced to use a number of distros from debian to Red Hat to Suse and frankly I stick with SUSE for my desktops and servers.

SuSE and Issues (1)

thewldisntenuff (778302) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157356)

Well, my experiences with SuSE are good...SuSE is the first Linux OS I've run thus far, and I'm a better man for it. :) The only problems I've really had are with the ATI Radeon 9000 in my laptop (yes, ATI's own closed-source drivers are cr4p...stupid video card won't work like it should)...I had a hell of a time getting Fedora Core (any version) onto my Dell 600m, so I tried SuSE and it worked beautifully. Definitely go with Linuxant if you want wireless, it is worth the $20, as wireless is also hard to get working in SuSE.

-thewldisntenuff

Suse Lemon 9.1 (3, Interesting)

kallex (545693) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157363)

My Zoom external serial modem won't work in 9.1, did in 9.0 My Audigy Platinum Sound card is silent in 9.1, worked fine in 9.0, even though it configures correctly. Since I cannot connect to the patch site to get the patches, it sits there as a pile of crap on my HD waiting to be deleted...soon. Phone help is a joke as well as online help. If I were a Linux geek it would be a nice puzzle to muck with for hours on end, but my two days of frustration are enough for me...

Good, improved ... as usual (3, Interesting)

dago (25724) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157393)

I've been using suse since 7.x, altough now I'm running gentoo on my main computers, it is easier to install/manage on lab machine and servers.

Best :
- no problems to update

Good :
- linux 2.6
- default desktop background in gnome are mountains
- nice(r ?) ooffice
- dependencies management with yast (ok, not really new, but still really nice)

Bad :
- gnome 2.4 (and not .6)

Rest is not new from 9.1 but still annoying :
- multimedia stuff (codecs, ripper) : it's why I switched to gentoo
- habits of having library.rpm and library-devel.rpm sucks for devel. machine, no way to install directly all the devel, afaik.

you will pry debian out of my cold dead hands .... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9157400)

... seriously.

i bought suse, i like it, but nothing is as slick as apt, or as refreshing as not having to worry about yast overwriting your manualy configured settings.

oh and don't get me started on rpm, rpm just has to go.

sweet so far (5, Interesting)

dnamaners (770001) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157402)

I Just put 9.1 on and would give it a 9 of 10 (i have yet to see 10) on install and initial setup.

This was installed on my most recent box (3 ghz P4 w HT). I did this up as a dual boot box with XP like i tend to do when testing.

As I am just getting into it I can't give a full review but the install process was very smooth and the whole thing has a polished feel and look. But be sure to pre partition your drive unless you don't mind reinstalling windows ( I just installed over my existing debian linux after I took a image of my partion and MBR). The system right after the install was at about 90%. It setup grub correctly and did not mess up windows. I have to say I like the the boot up menue and the linux boot up sequence, simple but functional or as detailed as you like.

It after system setup it recognized my local ntfs and fat32 partitions and mounted them but is having trouble with my USB and 1394 drives so far. The graphics settings were usable but a bit low for my card (radeon 6800) and need minimal tweaking to get the right color depth and resolution. Network and other peripherals worked right from the start. All the major applications appear to work and I have most every app. I want but firefox and wine. I have not yet tested playing media yet as all that was not the drives that don't yet work. All said this was probably the smoothest install I have ever had. Ill bet I will like this more than red hat.

Closing impression is that I am still debian (and knoppix) at heart but this is a very nice desktop all the same.

mod 0p (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9157417)

Coming from Gentoo/Gnome (3, Interesting)

chris88 (62904) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157456)

I was sick of spending my time fooling around with stupid little system things. I spend all day doing that at work, I don't need to waste time doing it with my desktop. So I picked the newest distro I could find (still like as close to bleeding edge as possible).

SuSE specific (I think); I don't know why they included things like RealPlayer and Acrobat considering how old they are, and that there are much nicer and less crashy incarnations of these in mplayer/xine and KGhostView (Although I understand there's probably licenseing problems with ram's and mplayer).

Both my monitor (Sun 17" Flat screen) and video card (r128) don't work quite right. The monitor wasn't recignized, so I entered in the -exact- values as was in the manual, and I still can't get a good refresh rate on the higher resolutions. Not a problem in Gentoo. Don't want to touch the XF86Config because SaX2 has warnings all over not to play with it. My video card doesn't do hardware acceleration even though I had it going in Gentoo.

Konq. also crashes consistently if I try to log into a Samba share. I've had to set my username and password in the configuration as the username to browse with. Which makes it very inflexible. Esp. when I need to use many different usernames throughout the day.

Not really SuSE's fault, but I hate KDE. Too many damn options, KMail is terrible compared to Evo. Hard to scan mail because the text is so close together, can't search the bodies of messages in IMAP, LDAP address books will crash KMail every once in a while and I don't care for the way it handles multiple identities.

KWallet also does a terrible job at remembering things, very hit or miss.

Little more nitpicky, I find qt redraws windows a lot more than gtk2 did.. Opening new tabs in Konq. does it and Kopete does it with it's message alert. Drives me nuts.

The KDE is my fault, I know I could install Gnome.

On the less negitive side (I like complaining), lots of updates coming in on my SuSE Watcher (like windows update). Most of them seem reliabilty related which makes me happy. KDE also feels incredibly fast. Even OpenOffice feels integrated and speedy.

Overall I'm still getting use to it. I'll definetly keep it for the long haul, even if I end up using Gnome. Nothing pises me off more now than trying to make my desktop work when I could be screwing around with -real- problems.

Switched from Mandrake 9 (1)

LoPan (113474) | more than 10 years ago | (#9157491)

I absolutely love it. I've tried several versions of each, have used several iterations of Red Hat, and I think I've finally settled.

The first install was difficult, but that was because I was installing it via ftp, and had several false starts after DSL acted up and a hard drive needed to be reformatted. The second computer installed flawlessly. In the future, for work and perhaps even home, I would choose to buy it. The polish is fantastic. With Mandrake, I had to put in a lot of effort to install certain common software because I had to compile from source, and numerous standard libraries were not installed. I haven't had to compile much because there are seemingly more packages for SuSE. The online update is slick, although I have little to compare it to. I use RH's up2date, but only the command-line version as it's on my firewall.

The KDE install feels much richer than the one in Mandrake. I've always preferred KDE, and now I'm really starting to have fun with it.

The basic networking options were the main reason I switched from Mandrake. It was infinitely easier to setup name, file and printer sharing in SuSE, as it is all built right into YaST and installed by default. I program for a living; the last thing I want to do is spend forever reading documentation and configuring software when I can be so much more productive with a nice tool set. I'll play on my own time.

All in all, a very nice distro. I don't mean to rag on Mandrake at all, just that I can best compare to it because I used it until recently. I switched to it some time ago after trying SuSE 8.2, so perhaps I'll switch again.

I'm looking forward to 9.2, with the 2.6 kernel and KDE 3.2. I think we'll also be in for a laptop this fall, which will be a substantial improvement from the silky-smooth P2 450's we're both running SuSE on.

And did I mention my wife loves it too? ;)

I like it (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9157504)

I have been a RedHat user until it switched to Fedora. I took that chance to try Mandrake 9.2 for a few months.

Eventually my brother wanted to switch too and he runs more of a server environment. He felt the Mandrake product life was much too short for him (less then a year if I recall right). SUSE doesn't seem to have solid dates. But considering they still support 7.x stuff I'm not too worried.

We bought the Professional box.

PRO:
- More stable then Mandrake.
- KDE, etc. was polished.
- Surprisingly nice set of games.
- My SATA HD was properly recogniced. I think it installed it as a SCSI drive (which surprises me...).
- Much better product life then Fedora or Mandrake.
- YAST more stable then Mandrakes update. YAST is just as stable as up2date in RedHat. I've had issues with mirrors for Mandrake giving unreliable service.
- Windows partition properly recognized and configured. No problem (just like Mandrake).

CON:
- No ATI support out of the box. I guess ATI has no 2.6 drivers yet (so not SUSEs fault).
- Kaffee/Xine which is the build in Media player in Konquerer just downright sucks. Which per SUSEs manual is because of copyright issues. I now manually installed Xine (off the web RPMs) and it's hosed now. I have to tinker with it a little. I didn't have that problem in Mandrake/RedHat though (Mandrake was fine out of the box, RedHat it was easy to install).

In general I'm happy. The Media player in SUSE is a big disappointment. It's a tad bit more polished then Mandrake.
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