Beta
×

Welcome to the Slashdot Beta site -- learn more here. Use the link in the footer or click here to return to the Classic version of Slashdot.

Thank you!

Before you choose to head back to the Classic look of the site, we'd appreciate it if you share your thoughts on the Beta; your feedback is what drives our ongoing development.

Beta is different and we value you taking the time to try it out. Please take a look at the changes we've made in Beta and  learn more about it. Thanks for reading, and for making the site better!

Fedora Core 2 released to Mirrors, Bittorrent

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the stuff-to-snag dept.

Red Hat Software 429

tom taylor writes "Fedora Core 2 has been released to mirrors, due for public consumption on Tuesday 18th May. However, you can grab it now via BitTorrent, so get it while it's fresh! It's available in both the 4 CD or DVD versions."

cancel ×

429 comments

Sorry! There are no comments related to the filter you selected.

fucking sweet! (-1, Troll)

maukdaddy (244282) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166763)

fucking sweet!

MOD PARENT DOWN (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9166780)

n/t

if/when i get reconnected to the big line (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9166772)

i'll add ~20MB of bandwidth to the cd torrent. damn isp. >_>

A link to suprnova on slashdot! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9166777)

Woo hoo! Don't be shy boys, why not post links to the rest of the warez sites too?

Is this the final release or test3? (0, Interesting)

macnamee (86926) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166779)

I don't want to download 4GB for nothing

Re:Is this the final release or test3? (5, Informative)

boardumb (731478) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166803)

test3 came out at the end of April.
this is the final

Re:Is this the final release or test3? (2, Informative)

boardumb (731478) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166921)

oh yeh just as a P.S., the official schedule is here [redhat.com]

Re:Is this the final release or test3? (1)

phrasebook (740834) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166959)

In other words, this is test4.

Re:Is this the final release or test3? (2, Informative)

M1FCJ (586251) | more than 10 years ago | (#9167025)

No it isn't. May 14 was the release to mirrors date. This is a part of that I understand. It's the real thing.

Re:Is this the final release or test3? (1)

Cebu (161017) | more than 10 years ago | (#9167066)

The Fedora Core 2 schedule release schedule [redhat.com] indicates that this the final Core 2 release.

The core was supposed to be released for mirrors on the morning of May 14th, then the open release will be announced on May 18th. Presumably there should be sufficient mirrors to manage to the load by then.

Re:Is this the final release or test3? (1)

Fentisen (777121) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166827)

Why is it so big? Well they give you a lot of packages on the CD but these packages needs to be updated later. Anyone who knows how much disk space a full/medium/tiny install requires?

RED HAT SUCKS! BSD IS ALIVE AND WELL! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9166782)

*_g_o_a_t_s_e_x_*_g_o_a_t_s_e_x_*_g_o_a_t_s_e_x_*_
g_______________________________________________g_ _
o_/_____\_____________\____________/____\_______o_ _
a|_______|_____________\__________|______|______a_ _
t|_______`._____________|_________|_______:_____t_ _
s`________|_____________|________\|_______|_____s_ _
e_\_______|_/_______/__\\\___--___\\_______:____e_ _
x__\______\/____--~~__________~--__|_\_____|____x_ _
*___\______\_-~____________________~-_\____|____*_ _
g____\______\_________.--------.______\|___|____g_ _
o______\_____\______//_________(_(__>__\___|____o_ _
a_______\___.__C____)_________(_(____>__|__/____a_ _
t_______/\_|___C_____)/______\_(_____>__|_/_____t_ _
s______/_/\|___C_____)_REDHAT|__(___>___/__\____s_ _
e_____|___(____C_____)\______/__//__/_/_____\___e_ _
x_____|____\__|_____\\_________//_(__/_______|__x_ _
*____|_\____\____)___`----___--'_____________|__*_ _
g____|__\______________\_______/____________/_|_g_ _
o___|______________/____|_____|__\____________|_o_ _
a___|_____________|____/_______\__\___________|_a_ _
t___|__________/_/____|_________|__\___________|t_ _
s___|_________/_/______\__/\___/____|__________|s_ _
e__|_________/_/________|____|_______|_________|e_ _
x__|__________|_________|____|_______|_________|x_ _
*_g_o_a_t_s_e_x_*_g_o_a_t_s_e_x_*_g_o_a_t_s_e_x_*_


Important Stuff: Please try to keep posts on topic. Try to reply to other people's comments instead of starting new threads. Read other people's messages before posting your own to avoid simply duplicating what has already been said. Use a clear subject that describes what your message is about. Offtopic, Inflammatory, Inappropriate, Illegal, or Offensive comments might be moderated. (You can read everything, even moderated posts, by adjusting your threshold on the User Preferences Page) If you want replies to your comments sent to you, consider logging in or creating an account.

Important Stuff: Please try to keep posts on topic. Try to reply to other people's comments instead of starting new threads. Read other people's messages before posting your own to avoid simply duplicating what has already been said. Use a clear subject that describes what your message is about. Offtopic, Inflammatory, Inappropriate, Illegal, or Offensive comments might be moderated. (You can read everything, even moderated posts, by adjusting your threshold on the User Preferences Page) If you want replies to your comments sent to you, consider logging in or creating an account.

Important Stuff: Please try to keep posts on topic. Try to reply to other people's comments instead of starting new threads. Read other people's messages before posting your own to avoid simply duplicating what has already been said. Use a clear subject that describes what your message is about. Offtopic, Inflammatory, Inappropriate, Illegal, or Offensive comments might be moderated. (You can read everything, even moderated posts, by adjusting your threshold on the User Preferences Page) If you want replies to your comments sent to you, consider logging in or creating an account.

TRULY A MARVELOUS SIGHT (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9166903)

*wank* *wank* *wank*

Great (5, Informative)

arvindn (542080) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166791)

Despite all recent negative publicity, Fedora is a great distro for the hobbyist desktop. I've been running FC1 since its release without any problems. I wish they'd stuck to 3 CDs though. IIRC, the 4th CD consists of lots of languages (and nothing else) so most people can skip it. Kernel 2.6, gnome 2.6, kde 3.2... can't wait.

Re:Great (1)

Amiga Lover (708890) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166880)

Is there a PPC version?

Re:Great (-1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9166911)

the 4th CD consists of lots of languages (and nothing else) so most people can skip it

really, do most people speak english ?
me thinks 90 percent of the world [infoplease.com] cannot speak one word in English.

Re:Great (2, Informative)

iamsure (66666) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166953)

Not having english as your official language is one heck of a long distance away from "cannot speak one word in English".

Some googling found..


According to research by the British Council, "English has official* or special status in at least seventy-five countries with a total population of over two billion. English is spoken as a native* language by around 375 million and as a second language* by around 375 million speakers in the world. Speakers of English as a second language will soon outnumber those who speak it as a first language. Around 750 million people are believed to speak English as a foreign language


That puts the number at over 1.5 billion people able to speak "one word in english" at least.

Thats ignoring the "most computer users speak english" argument.

So yeah, I'd say for a decent number of people, CD #4 can probably be skipped.

Re:Great (4, Interesting)

cobbaut (232092) | more than 10 years ago | (#9167089)

Nobody knows how many people speak English:

Estimates go as low as 977 million [esu.org] people have notions of English. Or up to 1.5 billion [englishclub.com] .

The average googling for "how many people speak English" gets to One in Five [englishenglish.com] in the world. So only 80% of the world has no notion of English at all...

By the way, Google Zeitgeist shows that about half of their visitors use Googles English interface. So i estimate that about half of the FC2 users will need the 4th CD.

Re:Great (1)

jm.one (655706) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166979)

Those people won`t read slashdot. indeed mist of them do neihter have a computer nor access to the internet. Most people who do have access to the WWW and and do not speak English may live in China. Anyways I prefer a distro in my own language (German) so i can`t skip CD 4 anyway

Re:Great (2, Insightful)

maxume (22995) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166986)

This comment is in no way insightful. Come on. Sure, major chunks of India/China/Europe don't speak English as thier primary language, but they are more than likely to known at least a word or two. Throw in the fact that many of the people who don't have computers are probably the same ones who don't speak any english, and the situation just continues to deteriorate.

DVD Version? (4, Insightful)

TheLoneCabbage (323135) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166792)

You know in my day DOS3.3 still fit on one 1.44 floppy!

I know it's a test platform but do they need to include a test copy of war and peace with EVERY release? Does anyone have a particulary clever reason (besides source disks) why it needs to be this frigging big?

This is one of the big reasons I switched to Debian, I didn't want to get sadled with a multigig *BASIC* install. No flame wars, please, but for my personal taste I can't fathom RH any more.

Re:DVD Version? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9166798)

debian has a dvd version
woody is about 7 cds for the i386 binarys alone

smack! -1 Flamebait (1, Interesting)

big_groo (237634) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166925)

And people talk about windows bloat...*sheesh*

Re:DVD Version? (1)

Epistax (544591) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166976)

Everyone else is jumping off the bridge, I might as well too! Good point!

Re:DVD Version? (3, Informative)

tokul (682258) | more than 10 years ago | (#9167004)

you can start with 35-200 Mb version and get other packages from local mirrors.

It is possible that other distros have similar things too, but only debian talks about it on frontpage.

I've done several debian installs. None of them used official cds. Only netinstall or boot floppies.

Re:DVD Version? (1)

bubkus_jones (561139) | more than 10 years ago | (#9167042)

But you don't need those CD's or DVD. You can get by with the primary install cd, installing enough to get up the bare bones system. Everything else can get downloaded/installed via APT (or one if it's GUI tools, like Synaptic).

Re:DVD Version? (2, Interesting)

fostware (551290) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166842)

Yeah, it can't be that big... Knoppix is one CD has 2.4 and 2.6 kernel, OpenOffice, and a veritable truckload of tools.
Even with all the different languages, three CDs should be fine.

oh don't be silly (3, Informative)

mattdm (1931) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166844)

A minimal install of FC2 will be 500-something MB.

The "everything" install is considerably smaller than full Debian, which is amazingly (in a good way) comprehensive.

As you well know, your DOS 3.3 floppy had no applications and barely any useful tools. You can do better than that these days with a single (or, okay, probably two) floppy distro with blackbox.

Which you could *make* using Fedora, if you wanted.

Re:oh don't be silly (4, Funny)

TheLoneCabbage (323135) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166901)

Take that back!

DOS 3.3 had Edlin!

And if you subscribe to the theory that the simpler something is to use, the less functionality it had... Well Edlin was the most usefull editor EVER!!!

You kids and your fancy electrons!

Re:DVD Version? (1)

subStance (618153) | more than 10 years ago | (#9167077)

Funny, actually, since I think War and Peace by itself might even fit on a floppy.

Huge sucker. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9166799)

metainfo file.: FC2-i386-DVD.iso.torrent
info hash.....: 2449247c12eb6cb0fc1e8feb8e293a89668ab1a7
file name.....: FC2-i386-DVD.iso
file size.....: 4370640896 (16672 * 262144 + 176128)
announce url..: http://underscore.no-ip.com:6969/announce

Re:Huge sucker. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9166865)

Does bittorrent store last-modified timestamps as well? If it doesn't, then ftp and http has one thing over it.

I never understood the Bittorrent thing... (5, Interesting)

Noose For A Neck (610324) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166809)

Bittorrent seems like an odd way to distribute files for any extended length of time. It wholly depends on how many people are downloading it at any specific moment, so when you come back maybe 3 days later, the download speeds drop to a trickle because you're the only one downloading the file now. And nobody leaves their BT clients open longer than it takes to download a file - I'm sorry, but relying on people's altruistic behavior is plain stupid.

Why not put it on a P2P network like eDonkey? People will probably have other downloads moving at the same time, so the particular file will have much more sources for a much longer period of time than with Bittorrent.

Really, Bittorrent seems like a poor solution to a problem better solved by real P2P software.

Mod parent down (-1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9166817)

Please mod down as "Stupid"

Re:I never understood the Bittorrent thing... (0, Flamebait)

nother_nix_hacker (596961) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166838)

I'm sorry, but relying on people's altruistic behavior is plain stupid. Why not put it on a P2P network like eDonkey?
Because, you idiot, eDonkey works in much the same way. No-one uploading mean you don't get the file.

Re:I never understood the Bittorrent thing... (1)

Noose For A Neck (610324) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166884)

I'm afraid your reading comprehension skills are below-average even for a Slashdotter. What I wrote just two sentences later was the justification for my reasoning, two terms I'm sure lacking in your vocabulary.

To recap: eDonkey clients are up longer because people are more likely to make multiple downloads with eDonkey while Bittorrent users usually close the application window after their (one! always one!) download is finished.

I don't... (4, Interesting)

Phil John (576633) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166970)

...and I know a lot of other people in the community who don't do that, sure some people will turn their client off straight away but then some people on kazaa or whatnot will just turn off sharing and be e leach.

I've got my bittorrent client (Azureus) running 24x7 but only sharing torrents that need seeders. I stop seeding when there is a seed for every 4 peers (as long as I've upped 50%). When the seed/peer ratio goes down I have Azureus auto start the torrent and continue uploading. This way I give my bandwidth to those torrents that need it most.

I also leave my computer on at night and since I'm on broadband with no cap I keep it uploading stuff. Hey, I'm paying for always on so I may as well use it, plus I'm not saturating the local loop during the day and pissing off other people.

Re:I never understood the Bittorrent thing... (2, Insightful)

chaffed (672859) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166856)

Right, bittorrent is not a good persistent conduit. However that is midigated by the mirrors that pop up on standard HTTP and FTP servers. Bittorrent is just a great way to get a lot of large files out to a lot of people at the same time while using a little bandwidth as possible.

Re:I never understood the Bittorrent thing... (4, Insightful)

Junta (36770) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166864)

But it scales at worst case no worse than http/ftp so long as the hosting providers normally providing http/ftp allocate equal resources to serving bittorrents. When you are the only user of an http/ftp site, you get satisfactory speeds, so bittorrent would do fine for that scenario. Times like this where http/ftp services would crumble under the load, bittorrent offloads the work effectively and yields better download speeds than http/ftp do when there is only one client.

The thing with bittorrent is that you can get a small seed from an official source and be more assured that the content you are downloading is, in fact, what you want and not a trojan with the same name that turned up on some P2P network search. MD5 sums can help this, but it means in the event of an incorrect download, you've wasted your time and bandwidth. BitTorrent provides a distribution method with more verifiable authenticity before downloading than most P2P networks, and that is very valuable for this application.

Re:I never understood the Bittorrent thing... (1)

EpsCylonB (307640) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166871)

It wholly depends on how many people are downloading it at any specific moment, so when you come back maybe 3 days later, the download speeds drop to a trickle because you're the only one downloading the file now. And nobody leaves their BT clients open longer than it takes to download a file - I'm sorry, but relying on people's altruistic behavior is plain stupid.

Doesn't the tracker host have a copy of the file though ?, if there is always one complete copy of it then there is no problem. As for leaving the client open, you could force this on the user.

Re:I never understood the Bittorrent thing... (1)

rokzy (687636) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166913)

>As for leaving the client open, you could force this on the user.

no you can't, you can only piss people off by making things awkward.

how can you stop all of these...
-killing the client
-uninstalling the client
-blocking the client with firewall
-going offline
-turning off the computer ...?

Re:I never understood the Bittorrent thing... (1)

Autumnmist (80543) | more than 10 years ago | (#9167020)

The tracker doesn't necessarily host a copy of the file itself. The tracker only takes care of the .torrent file and distributes the list of peers and seeds.

The original uploader/creator of the torrent will be the original seeder of the file.

From wikipedia:
First, a small file with a .torrent extension is distributed via conventional means. This file is static, so it is often placed on regular websites or even distributed by e-mail. The .torrent file contains hashing information for blocks of the file, so the size of it depends on the size of the file or group of files that it refers to. It also contains, hardcoded, the address of a so-called "tracker server" (often called simply "tracker") which is used to locate sources that have the file or parts of it.

Re:I never understood the Bittorrent thing... (1)

EpsCylonB (307640) | more than 10 years ago | (#9167087)

Well the point is that there is always one complete copy availiable (otherwise how could it spread in the first place) so it can't be worse than normal http/ftp can it ?

Uh No! (4, Informative)

leerpm (570963) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166908)

Unlike traditional P2P, Bittorrent was designed especially for purposes like this: Getting large files out to a lot of a people in a relatively short time. Mirrors simply do not scale for this, and those traditional P2P networks like eDonkey are way too slow for downloading something as large as FC.

I don't know about you, but I actually like being able to download the entire set of ISOs in under 12 hours, rather than waiting the required week for my downloads to finish like on other P2P networks.

Re:I never understood the Bittorrent thing... (1, Interesting)

Kevin108 (760520) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166931)

The only things to understand about BitTorrent is that it's nearly a free way to distribute something. Why sacrifice your own servers and bandwidth when you can use other peoples'? The other thing to understand is IT'S SLOW AS SHIT. I hate it but a lot of times it's the only way to get things, especially DVD ISOs. Cheap ass distribution companies.

Re:I never understood the Bittorrent thing... (2, Informative)

dougmc (70836) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166993)

The other thing to understand is IT'S SLOW AS SHIT. Hardly. I regularly get 200 KB/s+ (bytes, not bits) downloads from bittorrent downloads. Right now, I'm getting 55 KB/s for FC2 -- not that fast, but then again I just started it up. I fully expect it to pass the 200 KB/s mark before it's done.

Were it not for bittorrent, I'd be getting 0 B/s -- because it wouldn't be available at all until they loaded up all the mirrors. And once they did, I'd get about 20 B/s, as they'd all be massively overloaded for a week.

Bollocks... (1)

Phil John (576633) | more than 10 years ago | (#9167027)

...I regularly max out my connection (512k ADSL) downloading a torrent. It gets to the point where the net is unusable it's sucking that much bandwidth. So I use it at night when I'm in bed. Last night I downloaded 1750 MiB in ~8 hours.

Remember, download rate is dependant on your upload rate so if you're only upping at 1k/s you won't be downloading that fast, other peers play tit-for-tat and choke you (don't honour your requests) if you upload blocks too slowly.

Re:I never understood the Bittorrent thing... (4, Insightful)

RickHunter (103108) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166941)

And nobody leaves their BT clients open longer than it takes to download a file

Yup, that's right folks. The 400+ seeds you often see for hours on newly-released anime digisubs are ALL people recruited by the fansubbing groups. NONE are just regular downloaders who leave their clients open. Not one. Yes, this means that fansubbing groups must be in excess of a couple thousand people each.

Get a clue. Its regular behavior to leave a BT client open for at least an hour afterwards. Not only that, but you don't have to have a complete copy of the file to upload. BT clients exchange bits of the file, so you're uploading while you're downloading, which saves on the bandwidth provided by the clients used to "officially" seed a file. Despite what you say, in practice, BT works quite well - people are willing to be altruistic because the protocol rewards them for it.

Re:I never understood the Bittorrent thing... (-1, Flamebait)

Noose For A Neck (610324) | more than 10 years ago | (#9167003)

  • I have one.
  • No, it's not. As a regular guy, I find it insulting to be compared with anime dweebs.
  • No shit, Sherlock. eDonkey does this better because people are inclined to leave it open longer for multiple downloads to complete.
  • No, it doesn't. There are no rewards - none! It's digital communism, it doesn't work.

Re:I never understood the Bittorrent thing... (2, Funny)

rokzy (687636) | more than 10 years ago | (#9167044)

>people are willing to be altruistic because the protocol rewards them for it.

just a nitpick - that's not altruism.

how does this reward work? ATM I'm downloading at 4KiB/s and up at 30KiB/s, generally I upload twice as much as I download. where's my "reward"?

Re:I never understood the Bittorrent thing... (2, Interesting)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166947)

Your right, eDonkey and the other sharing tools make ALL the files available in your share folder available whenever you have eDonkey running.

Because of the decentralised way that torrents work, it would be useless to attempt the same with them. A torrent is available for the duration that one person holds a tracker file open. I love the totrent concept because it means that as well as "flash mod" assistance in getting a file quickly, you are only ever sharing 1 file at a time, and the worst the *AA could do is get you for that one file.

Treat a torrent like a freshly baked cake - get it while its hot.
If you miss it, then go looking at the other p2p programs.

Re:I never understood the Bittorrent thing... (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166963)

/checkspelling

Re:I never understood the Bittorrent thing... (3, Insightful)

dougmc (70836) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166952)

Bittorrent seems like an odd way to distribute files for any extended length of time.
Perhaps, but it's an awesome way to distribute them when six gazillion people want something large the moment it comes out. FC2 definately falls into this category right now.

And even once the initial flood of demand has been satisfied, it scales at least as well as downloading via a web or ftp site -- and much better if two or more people are downloading. FC is popular enough that it will probably have at least two people downloading (probably many more) it at any given time until FC3 comes out.

And nobody leaves their BT clients open longer than it takes to download a file - I'm sorry, but relying on people's altruistic behavior is plain stupid.
You're wrong. People DO leave their BT clients open longer than needed to download the file. Some people do have extra bandwidth to spare, and some will leave it open just because they saw it was going to take 4 hours to download, so they went to bed and didn't come back for 10 hours.

And even if they don't, it still works, because they were uploading while they were downloading.

Re:I never understood the Bittorrent thing... (2, Informative)

kasperd (592156) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166967)

And nobody leaves their BT clients open longer than it takes to download a file

I did when downloading FC1. Actually I had forgotten it was running and didn't terminate it until a few days later asked by a system administrator where this BT traffic was comming from. I think their strategy sounds good. The first few days a lot of people is going to download it, so bittorrent is a good choice. And by waiting a few days before opening the HTTP/FTP servers for the public, they get more people using bittorrent and have bandwidth to get it to the mirrors. Of course there will be load on the mirrors when that version is available. But as soon as the load on the mirrors start to decrease you might want to download it that way instead of through bittorrent. Anybody who wants to wait a month or longer before downloading probably isn't going to use bittorrent, but by that time there shouldn't be as much load on the mirrors. There are only two things I'm wondering about. Why doesn't Fedora include the bittorrent client? And why don't they make updates available for download with bittorrent? When a large security update is announced, it is very hard to get a connection to the server.

Re:I never understood the Bittorrent thing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9166969)

Bittorrent does not rely wholly on the peers for bandwidth. RedHat and the mirrors may also host seeds on a fat pipe, but the peers greatly reduce the bandwidth required and allow it to scale up to an astronomical number of users so long as a the tracker can handle it. Traditionally mirrors only allow ~500-1000 simultaneous users. With Bittorrent I've seen ~30,000 in the case of a.scarywater.net [slashdot.org] probably with a much higher ceiling than that at a cost of 2.5 Gb/s.

Re:I never understood the Bittorrent thing... (1)

mindstrm (20013) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166978)

Despite the naysaying, there are usually sufficient numbers of people constantly downloading this file for quite a while, making bittorrent work just great. Provided there are a few seeds left up (which there would be, form the original source)... it's at worst no worse than a normal FTP from a mirror. As soon as you get more than one person downloading, it's faster.

comparing it to edonkey is silly... apples and oranges. They are not even related.

Re:I never understood the Bittorrent thing... (1)

mattdm (1931) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166983)

Bittorrent seems like an odd way to distribute files for any extended length of time.

Well, exactly. That's not what it's good for. It's good for initial releases just like this.

Re:I never understood the Bittorrent thing... (1)

Raven42rac (448205) | more than 10 years ago | (#9167010)

The thing is, the model works if you make people upload what they download or they get banned from that particular site/tracker. If you threaten to stop the free lunch, suddenly everyone is altruistic.

Indeed you haven't understood bittorrent ;p (5, Informative)

dmouritsendk (321667) | more than 10 years ago | (#9167056)

The idea is that the company distributes the torrent have set up a seeder. This way, if nobody besides your are downloading, you'll still get good download rates because you are the only one accessing the primary seeder. If the primary seeder gets overloaded, it wont matter much since your btclient will download from one of the many other client downloading the file.

Think of this as a peer2peer accelerated download server, not a peer2peer network.

try giving this a look:
http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/introduct ion.htm l

This scalability is the primary reason that mandrake and blizzard is using BT, chances are this why fedora is using it too.

Ho Hum... (-1, Troll)

mslinux (570958) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166812)

Does anyone actually use this crap? Who wants to provide testing for a company that's publicly said they don't want home or SOHO users?

RH only wants 'home-nerds' to test out their SW on behalf of the more privledged 'enterprise-nerds'. Be a sucker if you like, but realize that you're being used by RH once again.

Re:Ho Hum... (1)

dleifelohcs (777508) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166839)

only being 'used' if you provide bugreports, etc.

How many people actually do this? Very few. And why are you complaining, you get a free operating system in the process.

Mod Parent Up! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9166887)

Parent has a valid point on how RH does their testing.

Sad thing, is that RH doesn't hide the fact. They have openly stated that some things that do well in FC might go into RHEL.

/disgruntled ex-RH 7.2 user

The OFFICIAL torrent (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9166815)

Don't download a potentially hacked version of FC2 from unknown sources identified by ip numbers only.

Use the official torrent when it appears on the tracker:

http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/

Re:The OFFICIAL torrent (4, Informative)

Guanix (16477) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166833)

I wouldn't worry. MD5sums signed by the Fedora project are included with the images.

Re:The OFFICIAL torrent (1)

JanneM (7445) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166858)

If someone has changed these ISO:s in some way, I'd think they'd simply generate new MD5sums to send along as well.

Re:The OFFICIAL torrent (4, Informative)

mukund (163654) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166886)

The MD5SUMs are cryptographically signed using the Fedora project's PGP key.

Re:The OFFICIAL torrent (1)

JanneM (7445) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166943)

Ah, didn't realize that. Thanks for pointing it out. /Janne

Re:The OFFICIAL torrent (1)

Stickster (72198) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166900)

The md5sums are GPG-signed with the Fedora public key, so substituting bad ones isn't really an option. Verify the signature on the md5sum file and check the contents against the md5sums of the images and you're good to go.

And yes, I'm aware that Bittorrent hashes the downloaded blocks, but that wouldn't prevent someone from sending hacked images and along with the original MD5SUM file, hoping people wouldn't bother checking the images.

Re:The OFFICIAL torrent (1)

Teppich (769850) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166845)

No problem with that, you know rpm provides checking for gpg-signature?

Re:The OFFICIAL torrent (1)

Cornelius42 (516371) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166853)

But you can start the download the questionably hacked version now. Then tomorrow, switch to the officical torrent. Let bittorrent compare the files for you, or verify the MD5 sums from fedora tomorrow.

Re:The OFFICIAL torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9166854)

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

c366d585853768283dac6cdcefcd3a2d FC2-i386-disc1.iso
fc3c926442cc85a469268651bd04c1 86 FC2-i386-disc2.iso
5ad870e696953f4bbd0a9193687389 0e FC2-i386-disc3.iso
c736f8048b12315b5c0b070de1d748 67 FC2-i386-disc4.iso
2d8a20014af287bf8c6b29f2da031f 98 FC2-i386-DVD.iso
22f4bfca5baefe89f0e04166e738639f FC2-i386-rescuecd.iso
0c0268f26ed08d24880119e1b44 d45e8 FC2-i386-SRPMS-disc1.iso
3d17a40489e8dcd3761f166f f264c712 FC2-i386-SRPMS-disc2.iso
4e798934b399eb78e9e67dec 23d946bb FC2-i386-SRPMS-disc3.iso
5d84eb0aecea8bce8e4857d3 e46136c3 FC2-i386-SRPMS-disc4.iso
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux)

iD8DBQFAo8uQtEJp0E8qb9IRAjgnAJ92Rl2 f6K/1Z1DCHB6qinau88WYXgCggF4P
1xFVxG7HVYVGJenIv1o SdrQ=
=yWK+
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

GPG key (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9166889)

http://www.fedora.us/FEDORA-GPG-KEY

Re:GPG key (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9166994)

http://www.fedora.us/FEDORA-GPG-KEY

That's the wrong key.. Here's the right one: http://fedora.redhat.com/about/security/4F2A6FD2.t xt [redhat.com]

Re:The OFFICIAL torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9167047)

The md5 hashes were mangled by Slashdot's filters.

gpg: Signature made 05/13/04 14:25:04 using DSA key ID 4F2A6FD2
gpg: BAD signature from "Fedora Project <fedora@redhat.com>"

Re:The OFFICIAL torrent (1)

slashkitty (21637) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166894)

That would be great, however the FINAL Core 2 release is not listed there, only test3.

Re:The OFFICIAL torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9167040)

... and that's because it will be released on the 18th, when it's released.

Today is not the 18th.

Hence it is not released.

Hence it is not on the tracker.

All this leaked release has done is guarantee the mirror sites are going to get pummelled to death before they can get the images in place.

Does anyone ever stick with their current install? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9166818)

I have Fedora 1 installed and running fine. Why do people spend time downloading and installing the next realise when the current one works fine(for some)?
Does anyone still run redhat version 6.2?

I'm just trying to understand the reasoning.

thanks.

Re:Does anyone ever stick with their current insta (2, Insightful)

dleifelohcs (777508) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166857)

newer things. better versions. faster. bugfixes. security fixes.

I can keep going if you like.

there are plenty of reasons to upgrade your operating system and/or kernel.

Why not? (1)

Moth7 (699815) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166883)

If you've got a big connection and can just apt-get/yum/emerge the upgrades, then why not bother - you'll be getting the latest and greatest versions of the software, which can really only be better than the last ones. Dunno how feasible this is in Fedora though and I appreciated that 6 CDs for non-obvious improvements may be a bit much.

Re:Does anyone ever stick with their current insta (1)

Parinioa (257324) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166893)

I ran RH6.2 for the longest time, but ran into problems with tring to update some programs, and really ran into problems trying to install it on my laptop (2 years ago) that was when I updated, when I couldn't do everything I wanted with it. I still have yet to find a distro that I like as much.

Fedorah? Mehdorah. (-1, Troll)

dildatron (611498) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166847)

It seems like Fedora has lost its twenty-seven pieces of flair since it was controlled by the Fedora team and not specifically by RedHat. It doesn't have that same sparkle anymore, To give it credit though, it is a nice stable desktop OS. For my money, though, I think SuSE and Mandrake have better products for the professional's desktop.

A professional doesn't always have time to install this or that from source, or wait for things to compile, or sit through a barebones installer to have to install a bunch pf packages after the install.

Yum (4, Interesting)

Moth7 (699815) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166848)

Anyone know if it's possible to upgrade through Yum repositories? I don't know about you, but after the 3 CDs of Core 1, I'm a bit annoyed at the extra 6 for Core 2 :-\

Re:Yum (1)

phrasebook (740834) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166975)

Sounds like Debian would please you.

Too late (1)

Moth7 (699815) | more than 10 years ago | (#9167023)

Gentoo already did. I'm asking for the benefit of my little brother's box - he likes the look and feel of Fedora and I'm not going to try a source-distro on his ancient i586 ;)

Depends on your configuration (3, Informative)

Sits (117492) | more than 10 years ago | (#9167029)

Apparently there are some systems that yum simply can't handle because it has to update the system while it is "online" (e.g. LVM). So it looks like the answer is "it depends on your set up".

See Seth Videl's post [advogato.org] about it. My advice is to wait and see what the pitfalls are since there *will* be gotchas.

...hmm. advogato's being a bit strange today so let me post a quote:

Wrote up some not-yet-finished notes on how to yum update from FC1 to FC2 with relative ease. I'll post a link here when I'm happy. It's not a hard process and for most people it'll work fairly ok. For some people, however, for example, people using LVM, there are certain things yum just can't do, and there is no nice way around it on a running system. This is where anaconda is the only way to do it. Since it is running outside of your installed system it can muck with things w/o worrying about making its environment completely unusable.

Instead of upgrading your Fedora... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9166862)

...and going with the crowd, why don't you try Gentoo [gentoo.org] instead!?

Gentoo is true to the spirit of free software ("use the source, dude!") and updating/upgrading is so easy:

emerge sync; emerge -UD world.

Give it a spin. You'll love it!

Re:Instead of upgrading your Fedora... (2, Informative)

dleifelohcs (777508) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166890)

emerge -UD world is a very, very dangerous way to upgrade your system.

emerge -Du world is the way to be. the U implies upgradeonly, when really a bad patch could have been applied. -u keeps you at the latest and greatest version. U can very easily break your system, even if you are Johnny Careful.

Troll, but I'll take the bait... (4, Insightful)

Moth7 (699815) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166923)

As a user who migrated my box from FC1 to Gentoo 2004.1, emerge world is all well and good - once you have the thing installed. After the luxuries of anaconda, untarring and compiling the whole system yourself is somewhat tiresome and you are bound to get most of it wrong the first time.
Don't get me wrong, I am a devout Gentoo convert and wouldn't use anything else now, but for someone coming from the graphical handholding of Fedora, the Gentoo install is like walking blind. And heaven help you if you didn't print off the install manual - better hope those Fedora disks are still lying around for you to get your internet connection back after attempt #1.

Sure to be bitchslapped by meta-mods... (1)

Moth7 (699815) | more than 10 years ago | (#9167001)

Because I'd really post a verbatim account of personal experience with my favourite distro, non-AC , just for the hell of trolling O.O Maybe it's flamebait for those without the same experiences, but troll it isn't. Mods these days...

What about PPC? (3, Interesting)

imidazole2 (776413) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166866)

Did they release Core2 For the PPC?

More torrents needed (0, Offtopic)

iamsure (66666) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166909)

185 hours remaining?!? .. We need to get more people downloading this. Lets post it on..

Crap.

Okay, seriously, whats with the ultra-slow download speeds? At best, I'm maxxing out at 12-14KiB/s.

I'm uploading at over 24KiB/s..

Need more torrents to suck from, methinks.

Re:More torrents needed (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9166981)

I'm sick of bittorrent noobies complaining about the download speeds... READ THE FUCKING F.A.Q

Re:More torrents needed (1)

iamsure (66666) | more than 10 years ago | (#9167054)

I'm not a newb.

To each point in the faq:

- Be patient, wait for others. Thats the point of my post.

- Make sure torrent is live. Check - downloading is occuring.

- Limiting upload rate can help. Check - its limited.

- Allow outgoing connections. Check - its wide-open, and obviously working, since I mentioned people downloading from me.

- Don't use NAT. Check - not using NAT.

- Firewall has openings for all ports needed.

So whats your brilliant idea, moron.

Re:More torrents needed (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9167051)

I'm getting an average of 200k. I may have connected at a later time. If you're still not getting fast speeds, try this:

Get Bittornado. If you're getting a yellow lighty it's because you're getting torrents from a firewally. Forward TCP portys 6881-6945 to your system, disconnect, and try againy.

Re:More torrents needed (1)

RPoet (20693) | more than 10 years ago | (#9167081)

If you're getting a yellow lighty it's because you're getting torrents from a firewally. Forward TCP portys 6881-6945 to your system, disconnect, and try againy.

Thanky for thisy tipsy, my Swedishy friendy. Borky bork.

Fedora No Worky! (1)

fr8_liner (780267) | more than 10 years ago | (#9166957)

I tried Fedora recently using a DVD install on my Shuttle w/Athlon XP2400. This was the only distro that completely got lost and went away when trying to start X-Windows. Had to hit reset to start over but eventually gave up. Debian, SuSe and Mandrake all installed fine. Don't know why it happened, but there it is.

Here's a way to save time and disks (4, Interesting)

Pacifix (465793) | more than 10 years ago | (#9167000)

FedoraNews.org has a great tip on installing the isos over NFS [fedoranews.org] . This way you can save yourself a few blank CDs and the actual installation takes no time at all.

where to get bit-torrent RPM? (2)

dankelley (573611) | more than 10 years ago | (#9167037)

I am running Fedora Core 2 Test 3, so I figured it might make sense to upgrade to the official release. (BTW: FC2T3 is pretty well-constructed, so I'm guessing FC2official will be fine.) For fun, I decided to try Bit Torrent.

Unfortunately, when I followed the story's link to bit torrent, and then looked for a bit torrent RPM for to use on my Fedora system, I learned that ... there doesn't seem to be such an RPM available.

I guess I'll be downloading this Fedora update in the old-fashioned way.

yum? (1)

Simon (S2) (600188) | more than 10 years ago | (#9167085)

Is it possible to update FC1 to FC2 via yum?

NVIDIA (4, Informative)

hawkeyeMI (412577) | more than 10 years ago | (#9167092)

Be warned! If you use the NVIDIA binary drivers, they didn't work with FC2-test3 due to the use of the 4k stack option in the kernel. Unless that's changed in the final (I doubt it) you will have to recompile the kernel to use the NVIDIA drivers.

That's all well and good for those of us that know how to do a recompile, but for Joe User it could be a bit of a hang-up.

Load More Comments
Slashdot Login

Need an Account?

Forgot your password?

Submission Text Formatting Tips

We support a small subset of HTML, namely these tags:

  • b
  • i
  • p
  • br
  • a
  • ol
  • ul
  • li
  • dl
  • dt
  • dd
  • em
  • strong
  • tt
  • blockquote
  • div
  • quote
  • ecode

"ecode" can be used for code snippets, for example:

<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>