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Inferno 4 Available for Download

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the snowball's-chance dept.

Unix 287

Tarantolato writes "A new preliminary public release of the Inferno distributed operating system is now available for downloading from Vita Nuova's website. Inferno is meant to be a better Plan 9, which was meant to be a better Unix. It can run as a standalone OS, as an application on top of an existing one, or even as a browser plugin. Also, all of its major components are named after things related to hell."

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inferno? (5, Funny)

wvitXpert (769356) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171082)

never heard of it... is it hell to use?

Re:inferno? (5, Funny)

earlgreen (776222) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171094)

No, that's called Windows.

Yes and no. (1)

Trejkaz (615352) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171110)

Well, it does ship with Acme...

Re:inferno? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171117)

Just download, burn the CD, and fire it up. You may think it smokes, but I'll be damned if I can see what the devil is so hot about it.

Re:Buy the t-shirt (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171212)

Inferno T-Shirt:

Small , Medium , Large , X-Large , XX-Large, USA-Large

12.00GBP 18.00e $15.00

Re:inferno? (1)

MrIrwin (761231) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171219)

" is it hell to use?"

Managing daemon apps is apparently very easy, but sending stuf to /dev/null can be quite spectacular ;-)

Or so they tell me, I am stuck with Windows, the orginal devils OS.

Oh yes. (1)

mihal (753927) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171305)

Only Satan can take over it.

Just what we need (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171083)

Oh great, a Christian operating system. Lovely.

FP (-1, Offtopic)

peterjt (50113) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171085)

Out of the frying pan, into the INFERNO!

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171086)

First post!

Re:FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171290)

After your death, you will be sent straight to hell along with all the other people who FAIL IT!

Inferno? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171100)

Is the company in cahoots with the BSD daemon?

Re:Inferno? (4, Informative)

frenetic3 (166950) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171204)

If you look at some of the docs [vitanuova.com] , there seem to be a bunch of Bell Labs folks contributing (perhaps even principal developers)... including a doc by Brian Kernighan [vitanuova.com] and lo and behold, Dennis Ritchie [vitanuova.com] , the authors of one of the canonical C books ("The C Programming Language" [bell-labs.com] -- more affectionately known as "K&R".)

Could be interesting stuff, especially the Limbo "C-like, concurrent" programming language (though the syntax seems like an ugly version of Python with some bizarre odds and ends tacked on like a <- operator for "channels").

-fren

Re:Inferno? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171304)

Those circles and arrows aren't tacked on. They wrote the entire thing using lightweight pipes AKA 'rendezvous'. It's some clever combination of kernel and user-level threading. Inferno was *almost* famous. It had the grave misfortune of being released 1 year after java 1.0. The final nail in the coffin came from Oracle's Ellison, who pussyfooted around with the idea of using it in the Network PC (remember that?) before putting the kibosh on the whole deal.

-- Anon Coward

Re:Inferno? (3, Interesting)

zhenlin (722930) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171354)

This is mostly because it is based on Plan 9, which was developed at Bell Labs, where UNIX was developed.

Trust me, it is all very interesting stuff. Just don't let it slip that you use the heathen UNIX, especially on #plan9 on FreeNode.

related to Hell? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171103)

Since when did Alabama become the utopia of the Unix world?

Inferno 4... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171115)


I've heard its hella good...

Re:Inferno 4... (1)

ozric99 (162412) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171410)

Excellent!. What a devilishly witty pun my good man.

informative (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171118)

thanks for the link about hell. I know all about inferno 4 and plan 9, but I've never heard of that one before :)

License (3, Interesting)

vinit79 (740464) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171119)

The VITA NUOVA LIBERAL SOURCE LICENCE [vitanuova.com] seems to be pretty good (free as in speech).

Any ideas why they didint use GPL/BSD or any other standard license. Or is there some subtle(or obvious) licensing issue

Re:License (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171138)

Read some of Stallman's rants about the Plan9 license(s). Vita Nuova's license has the same problems.

Re:License (5, Informative)

Tarantolato (760537) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171189)

Read some of Stallman's rants about the Plan9 license(s). Vita Nuova's license has the same problems.

Plan 9 had a license where you couldn't sue Lucent on an unrelated matter if you used it. They've now changed that (as of June 2003), and Stallman now considers [mirror5.com] it a "free software license incompatible with the GPL". From the GNU site:

  • This is a free software license, incompatible with the GNU GPL. We recommend that you not use this license for new software that you write, but it is ok to use and improve Plan 9 under this license.


Inferno's license seems to be the same as the new plan 9 one. (But I haven't looked in depth).

Re:License (2, Insightful)

illuminata (668963) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171267)

Read some of Stallman's rants about the Plan9 license(s). Vita Nuova's license has the same problems.

How did you get the time to read his rants about the Plan 9 license? I'm still working on his rants from 2002.

But seriously, what necessarily makes a license that might not be Stallman compliant a problem? Can't it just be different? As far as I can tell, he's not some sort of supreme licensing authority. Also, he doesn't have the power to actually enforce his ideas on what's GPL compatible or incompatible; that would be something for a court to decide pending that they also find the GPL to actually be a valid license.

Re:License (4, Interesting)

runderwo (609077) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171289)

It's not liberal. It claims to cover any use of the software, which puts it in the class of licenses known as 'EULA', as opposed to simply being a permissive copyright license.

Hmmm, I wonder if they'll have problems. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171120)

Some words relating to hell, are already a bit taken, such as... Diablo.

hell (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171121)

Well this matches perfectly... The core OS components are named after Hell, and if it is run on an Intel proc... we now have the hot temperatures to match the Hell description as well.

Shall Jesux rise again? (4, Funny)

cant_get_a_good_nick (172131) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171127)

I would be one to say that Jesux [geocities.com] shall smite this thing you call hell, but there hasn't been much activity on the website in a while. I wonder if they'll ship creationism as their mailer/Outlook replacement, for they surely cannot ship evolution [geocities.com] .

INSERT WITTY BSD DAEMON JOKE HERE

Re:Shall Jesux rise again? (2, Informative)

root_42 (103434) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171250)

Oh no, it's slashdotted. Check this out [google.de] -- a google cached version.

Yeah I tried it (4, Funny)

Orion Blastar (457579) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171128)

had to key in "666" for the administrator password. Got a visit from the Asmodeus Daemon after I logged on. ;)

Re:Yeah I tried it (2, Funny)

0racle (667029) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171177)

Administrator? I thought superuser was Dante?

check out the screenshots (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171129)

looks like hell

Re:check out the screenshots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171156)

is it 1988?

In hell it is always the 1980s (1)

konmaskisin (213498) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171273)

... that's just the way things turned out ...

Re:In hell it is always the 1980s (1)

miu (626917) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171302)

Shit, am I going to spend all eternity voting Carter/Mondale?

yay! (4, Funny)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171131)

An operating system that can run as a browser plugin! Just what I have been waiting for! Now after I've been towing my mobile home on my bicycle, or flossing my teeth with boat anchor chain, I can come back to my computer for some equally well-matched technology.

Cool ... (1)

cmcginty (690710) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171132)

Features sound great ... but does it play OGG's ??

Re:Cool ... (4, Funny)

CdBee (742846) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171215)

Yes, and apparently it will burn CDs too - burn them in the flames of hell you unholy pirate !!!

I thought a better unix was ... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171135)

I thought a better unix was linux!

Re:I thought a better unix was ... (5, Informative)

Tarantolato (760537) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171275)

I thought a better unix was linux!

Linux is better mostly because it's free. It does not fix some of the imperfections in the core design (for good reasons; that would break Posix compatibility). According the Inferno Design Principles [vitanuova.com] , Inferno takes Unix ideas and applies them more consistently. For instance: everything is a file. In Inferno, what you're typing in a text editor window can be queried in something like /gui/window/...etc. Also, the network protocol is entirely file-based. Your desktop system (or smartphone, or brower plugin) sees the server or another client as part of the same filesystem that its own resources sit in.

Distributed Operating System? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171143)

What, so the 3 people that use it can share files or something? :)

A better UNIX, though, sounds like a nice idea. Too bad Microsoft R&D are still trying to come up with Unix. They've got the filesystem almost there and the whole file ownership thing is coming together very well. Now if only they can do something about that CLI of theirs.

Lifestyle operating system (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171144)

Finally an operating system to go with my Pizza [hell.co.nz]

New p2p (4, Interesting)

hsidhu (184286) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171152)

How about building a new p2p file sharing app on top of this thing? A truly cross platform app since it would run on top of the following architectures:

Host Operating Systems

Windows NT/2000/XP
Linux
FreeBSD
Solaris
Plan 9

Supported Architectures

Intel x86 (386 & higher)
Intel XScale
IBM PowerPC
ARM StrongARM (ARM & Thumb)
Sun SPARC

and it supports crypto and since its native code its faster than java.

MOD PARENT DOWN - MASTURBATING IN HIS OWN FECES (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171229)

Shut the fuck up.

I mean really...have you read that post? Holy shit. Thanks for the BRILLIANT idea.

You even listed all of the operating systems and architectures you could think of. What the FUCK is the point of that?

"I know, I'll list a bunch of crap that pops in to my head in random order! Excuse me while I think of all of the architectures I've ever heard of."

FUCKHEAD.

Re:New p2p (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171234)

Yeah, because interpreted bytecode and an underlying VM (and OS) would make Kazaa run even faster.

Freenet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171382)

Freenet is already written in java. That's why it's doing so well.

Re:New p2p (5, Insightful)

Temporal (96070) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171419)

Java compiles to native code. Just because the translation is done at program startup doesn't mean it is slower. In fact, because of this, it can perform optimizations that couldn't be used in a C compiler (optimizing for specific CPU's, etc.).

The problem with Java is that its GUI toolkit is slow.

In any case, with a file sharing app, CPU efficiency is certainly not an issue. You should never worry abot CPU efficiency if you don't need to, as you will only be making things harder on yourself.

And, finally, writing portable C/C++ code is really not that hard if you know what you are doing. Certainly you'd be better off with that than you would be asking all of your users to install an extra OS over their current one just to run your program. Really, the most important factor in making file sharing successful is to get lots and lots of users, and most of those users are going to be people who have absolutely no idea what an operating system even is.

Why the last link? (2, Insightful)

Naked_Ninja (774645) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171154)

I hate to bitch, but why put that last link in the article description? I assume its purpose is to add some humor, but seriously, horrid web design isn't that funny. A little more discretion should have been used here when posting links to the frontpage of slashdot. Think before unleashing slashdot's hordes on unsuspecting people and wasting their bandwidth. Even nutballs like this guy deserve this courtesy.

Re:Why the last link? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171193)

Agreed. What the hell (no pun intended (well, maybe a little one))?

Slashdot isn't the sort of place, unless it's part of the story.

Re:Why the last link? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171211)

The first result from Google had a popup. That was the second.

we don't want you to burn in hell (1)

polished look 2 (662705) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171228)

I did not submit the article but I believe that the last link was included for the sake of non-believers.

On a related note, what do you think of the sounds supposidly recorded from hell [av1611.org] [RealAudio] on that webpage? It sounds kind of electronic to me but maybe it really is from hell?

Re:we don't want you to burn in hell (1)

BiggerIsBetter (682164) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171257)

Sounded like a typical crowd scene with a muffled PA and one crazy woman. Or it might be Hell and we are all doomed. Who knows.

Re:we don't want you to burn in hell (2, Interesting)

gunpowder (614638) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171361)

No, it isn't [snopes.com]

Off topic, and scary. (1)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171237)


The editors reserve the right to be off topic.

Woooo! It's scary:

YOU will see HELL. . .
YOU will smell HELL. . .
YOU will breathe HELL. . .
YOU will hear HELL. . .
YOU will feel HELL. . .
YOU WILL BE HELL. . .

Re:Why the last link? (1)

zakezuke (229119) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171251)

Perhpas he misread the first line like I did "And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torrents. . ." Luke 16:23

Thanks for the nightmares! (3, Funny)

MrP- (45616) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171155)

i was just about to go to sleep, then i saw this article and that "hell" link at the end, i followed.. i then read the part about those guys mining and drilling into a cavity in earth, then lowering a mic down into the hole and then recording sounds of PEOPLE IN HELL SCREAMING IN AGONY.. along with a RealAudio link of the screams: http://www.av1611.org/sound/misc/dighell.ram [av1611.org]

How dare you link to a site that uses RealAudio! How will I go to sleep now, I'll have "buffering..." nightmares!

Re:Thanks for the nightmares! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171200)

I'm sorry kind sir, but that post was meant to be moderated as "Funny". I will forgive you this time but please don't make the same mistake twice.

Now, if one of you kind moderators would correct this persons mistake, please moderate the above "Funny". I would but I don't have moderation points.

Have a good day.

Re:Thanks for the nightmares! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171208)

parent is Funny, not Troll. thx.

Hell comes in many flavors (5, Funny)

warkda rrior (23694) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171157)

Slashdot says:
[...] all of its major components are named after things related to hell.
I see on the Inferno website the following components:
The Inferno operating system [...] includes the Dis virtual machine, integral support for the Styx network protocol, and an implementation of the Tk user interface toolkit.

I am not sure which part of hell the Tk UI toolkit represents, but I feel their pain.

Re:Hell comes in many flavors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171222)

Tk is Satan embodied in software.

Please mod me down. I want to waste your mod points.

Re:Hell comes in many flavors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171353)

Most names come from Dante's Inferno (Dis, Styx, Charon etc.)
Read!

Yaay, another GUI that tries to replicate Windows! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171178)



Yaaaay, alternative OS'es are great, especially when their designers doll them up as flea-market knockoffs of Windows! Yeah, Windows SUCKS! Lets..errr....do the same thing they're doing!.....

Jesus, just where the fuck in the timeline did people stop thinking about proper GUI design? Have you ever stopped to think whether or not the "start button" approach is actually the best for the user?

Saying that the Start button should be used "because it's popular" ignores the fact that, for the most part, it's the only choice people have been presented with for the past decade. Saying "it's good because it's popular" is like saying you have the highest grade in your class.. Ever stopped and asked yourself, maybe the class is full of idiots?


yeah, it's me. [ibiblio.org]

Re:Think different (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171233)

MacOS X [apple.com]

Good introduction to Limbo (5, Informative)

harikiri (211017) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171188)

...as in the programming language for Inferno, written by Brian Kernighan, is available here [vitanuova.com] .

I've briefly looked into trying out Inferno, but bear in mind it's not designed as a desktop system. Instead, the market it seems to be used in is the embedded market - so it'd be interesting to see how easy you can write server apps for application boxes with it.

However, it initially appears that Limbo is the only way to program for Inferno (prove me wrong please), which would be an obvious impediment to developer take-up.

Re:Good introduction to Limbo (4, Informative)

shaitand (626655) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171249)

From the website:

"Features
Compact
Runs on devices with as little as 1MB of RAM

Complete Development Environment
Including Acme IDE, compilers, shell, UNIX like commands & graphical debugger

Limbo
An advanced modular, safe, concurrent programming language with C like syntax.

Library Modules
Limbo modules for networking, graphics (including GUI toolkit), security and more...

JIT Compilation
Improves application performance by compiling object code on the fly (Just In Time).

Namespaces
Powerful resource representation using a single communication protocol. Import and export resources completely transparently.

Full Source Code
Full source code for the whole system and applications, subject to licence terms

And more...

# Online manual pages
# Full unicode support
# Dynamic modules
# Advanced GUI toolkit
# Javascript 1.1 web browser
# C cross compiler suite
# Remote Debugging
# Games, Demos & Utilities"

Most relevant on the list is the C cross compiler suite. Theres at least one language other than Limbo you can code in (although it seems limbo is designed by many of the guys who wrote C and other minor items of note such as Unix).

If there is one language any developer you'd really want on the playing field knows, it's C.

Re:Good introduction to Limbo (2, Informative)

goga (8143) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171416)

The C cross compiler suite, as far as I can tell, is something they use to port their VM between platforms. When you program _for_ the VM, you have to use Limbo.
Still, I think the compiler might be one of the most valuable parts of this distribution. It was originally written by Ken Thompson; it is fast; its code is small and readable.
If enough people notice, that could be a worty competition to GCC.

was that really necessary? (1)

ashot (599110) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171202)

who else went straight for the hell link?

Re:was that really necessary? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171325)

Did that page make you wet your panties, or what?

Re:was that really necessary? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171332)

As a Catholic, I find some of the stuff on that website quite funny :)

Re:was that really necessary? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171355)

As a recovering Catholic, I found the site quite tramatic

OSS authors: Think carefully about communication. (5, Insightful)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171203)


It amazes me how bad open source people are at marketing. Why make your project, which requires a huge amount of excellent thinking, the butt of jokes?

Why give a name to your open source project that will cause those who have less than complete technical knowledge to feel uncomfortable about adopting what you have done?

One question is, how bad can it get? Will there one day be a "Worthless" project? There is already a "Waste [sourceforge.net] ".

The funniest bad name for an open source project was "Killustrator". It's easy to see how the name was chosen. Everything in KDE began with a K, as much as possible, and Killustrator is an open source illustration program. It didn't seem to bother anyone that the first syllable of the name was "Kill". I can imagine the Killustrator author thinking how convenient it is that the word illustrator begins with a vowel; that makes it easy, just put a K at the beginning, and you have a name!

The name Killustrator gave everyone a million dollars worth of laughs, and did perhaps $10 million damage to Adobe's reputation when the CEO of Adobe overreacted, saying people would confuse Killustrator with Adobe Illustrator.

Do open source authors believe that there are only a few concepts available, not enough for everyone? Why copy the FreeBSD devil idea? [freebsd.org]

And Why did the FreeBSD project adopt that idea? I know FreeBSD is an excellent OS, and the favorite BSD for ISPs, but there are some who will be discouraged by the amateurish baby red devil marketing scheme.

Re:OSS authors: Think carefully about communicatio (4, Funny)

shaitand (626655) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171255)

You've obviously never seen the devil girl. I'm a linux man myself but a couple more runins with her when the wife isn't around and I may convert ;)

Re:OSS authors: Think carefully about communicatio (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171323)

oh yea, I'd love to spank her huge square bookworm pooper.

OSS authors:Think carefully about [making money] (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171258)

I got a better question. Why does everything have to be commercialized? Can't we have some FUN with our software without having to pay a tribute to the marketing gods? Some of us simply don't care, to put it bluntly.

Re:OSS authors: Think carefully about communicatio (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171266)

Agreed - it's almost as though they don't want anybody else to use their stuff. When somebody says "Inferno", I think of:

* The Towering Inferno
* Disco Inferno
* Dante's Inferno

None of which have positive implications. It's as bad as companies trying to sell cars who's name means "explode" or " doesn't go". I tell 'ya, one of these days I'm going to rebrand FreeBSD, get rid of the stupid devil mascot and see how much faster the user take-up is.

Re:OSS authors: Think carefully about communicatio (4, Insightful)

molnarcs (675885) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171270)

"It amazes me how bad open source people are at marketing."

Maybe these folks don't give shit about marketing ... they just do it because they like it. WASTE is a good name IMHO - funny reference to Pynchon's Crying of lot 49. I don't think WASTE author wanted to 'take over the market' with his prog either.

FreeBSD's beastie ... yeah, sure, the OS logo is the first thing everyone would consider when choosing a solution (yahoo seems very much discouraged by chuck - name for beastie btw -, as does NYInternet, Pair Networks, netcraft itself or the apache project).

Linux was criticized for the 'idiotic' looking penguin as well, remember? Yet I don't think that its market entry was very much hindered because of its logo.

Re:OSS authors: Think carefully about communicatio (5, Insightful)

drgonzo59 (747139) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171314)

I think that the people who work on these projects are not "market oriented." They do what they do because it is fun and they probably could care less if some manager dude thinks the name of the software will offend or drive away the potential clients. Maybe it's supposed to drive away the people who lack a sense of humour. /* flaimbait start */ Let them use microsoft products /* flaimbait end */ And besides, I don't think they copied the FreeBSD's devil idea, I think they got their inspiration from Dante Alighieri [greatdante.net]

Re:OSS authors: Think carefully about communicatio (3, Funny)

Homology (639438) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171329)

And Why did the FreeBSD project adopt that idea? I know FreeBSD is an excellent OS, and the favorite BSD for ISPs, but there are some who will be discouraged by the amateurish baby red devil marketing scheme.

FreeBSD is not alone in this, as can be seen from why Mac is bad [jesussave.us] ;-)

But there are even darker undertones to this company than most are aware of. Consider the name of the company and its logo: an apple with a bite taken out of it. This is clearly a reference to the Fall, when Adam and Eve were tempted with an apple3 by the serpent. It is now Apple Computers offering us temptation, thereby aligning themselves with the forces of darkness.

Re:OSS authors: Think carefully about communicatio (1)

afd8856 (700296) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171339)

Maybe because Inferno is not such a bad marketing idea. Discreet uses Inferno and Flame as names for some of its high end compositing applications.

Re:OSS authors: Think carefully about communicatio (1)

cabraverde (648652) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171364)

I know FreeBSD is an excellent OS, and the favorite BSD for ISPs, but there are some who will be discouraged by the amateurish baby red devil marketing scheme.

If so, these people should not be making technical decisions. They put themselves at an unnecessary disadvantage.

Not so.... (1)

NEOtaku17 (679902) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171392)

One of the college teams down here is the Sun Devil from Arizona State University and everyone seems to love them around here. People like cute little red gusy with horns.

Looks right. (3, Funny)

jcuervo (715139) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171216)

Also, all of its major components are named after things related to hell.
Hmm...

* many Unix-like tools: mv, cp, rm, xd, wc, grep, ps, diff, tr, man, ls ...
Yup. All related to hell.

Re:Looks right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171301)


Yes you are absolutely right. mv is a major component of many modern OS's. It always amazes me how this is left out of the OS feature descriptons.

* Now includes popular command such as mv and cp!
* Available under free and commercial licences
* Runs as a full OS or an application
* Full development toolkit included
* Advanced networking capabilities
* Safe, concurrent programming environment
* Architecture independent virtual machine

Re:Looks right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171347)

So you're saying that GNUs, Gophers, and Lynx are all animals you'd find in hell?

Re:Looks right. (1)

Too Much Noise (755847) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171417)

why, certainly - one man's hell is another man's ... err, sorry about that, I meant a Unix user's workstation.

rm -rf * (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171246)

Damn, only the devil would make you get used to using 'rm -rf *' instead of using 'ls'.

Alternative to VMWare? (4, Interesting)

gbulmash (688770) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171264)

Considering it runs as a service, it sounds like it might be marketed as an alternative to VMWare if it had a decent ports collection... at least for those who want to have a generic GUI *nix they can access from Windows instead of dual booting.

Inferno on Lucent BRICK Firewal (4, Informative)

hytrex (644616) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171287)

Friend told me that Lucent is using Inferno (version 3) on Lucent BRICK firewall (model 20, model 80 ... model 1000). It is stateful firewall and works well! he says

Bizarre - "Connections Syntax"? (1)

ab5tract (609159) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171292)

Seriously, I can't believe some of the shit yall be talkin about. This system is my dream arriving. Praise to shaitand for dropping some data from the site.

_This_ is the ideal shit, baby! Where the hell its mirrors at? Does Vita Nouva gotta get more poetic on your ass or what?

All jokes aside... (5, Insightful)

shaitand (626655) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171298)

Is this what I think it is?

A multi-platform OS, it can run standalone, as a virtual machine on every major OS (including every linux distro) and give full blown access to the system? Plus it can run in a sort of transparent mode so you can port your app to it and have your app appear to be a native app?

From the description it sounds like it's multi-threaded and designed with distributed systems (read cluster) in mind.

Plus it already has a language designed by the fathers of C and C cross compiler (wonder how well it works, also being designed by the fathers of C).

So in one sweep we have a solution suitable (sounds like it carries 1mb ram overhead) for most applications. Anything written for it magically runs on every major platform, it's highly scriptable and carries most of the magic of Unix packed with it wherever it's run from.

If it's significantly faster than Java I'd say we have a solution to the multi-distro problem as far as apps go.

Re:All jokes aside... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171368)

You're not too far off the track. It is a network
operating system that lends itself to clustering
applications, and Vita Nuova has a few big clients
looking at exactly this.

Plus the Vita Nuova people are very approachable.
(Their office is virtually within sight of mine).

One of the great advantages is that just about
everything looks like a file so it is very easy
to create namespaced collections of device-type
files that might be resident on your machine, or
just as easily resident on a collection of
disparate machines. It makes prototyping GRID
applications very much easier.

Personally I am very keen on looking more at
Inferno for GRID computing just as soon as I have
more time to spend on it. It's not a solution to
all ills, but it has definite advantages, and
seems to be very robust and has a small footprint.
I've seen it running happily on a fairly old
PDA being used to seamlessly integrate a whole
series of remote devices.

Aaron Turner, University of York

environment (3, Insightful)

cybergrunt69 (730228) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171330)

I haven't finished RTFA yet, but from the quick overview, this looks outstanding for one particular item: it runs as an app or as the entire OS!

When's the last time you saw an app so well developed that it ran on almost any platform - not to mention as its own OS.

At this point, I don't even care what it does, I think that part shows a level that many other applications need to strive for.

Inferno on the Mac G5 (2, Informative)

Watts Martin (3616) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171343)

Just wondering -- has anyone else tried this, successfully? I downloaded the demo disk and ran the OS X install script, and when the script got to the part where it started running the "emu" binary, all sorts of fascinating and wonderful errors began, starting with malloc messages. I finally ended up having to kill the process.

Appalling and Disgusting (0, Offtopic)

shadowxtc (561058) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171345)

That such a religious link should make it onto such an otherwise intellectually driven (*snort* lol) place.

I seem to remember... (2, Informative)

AgentAce (246327) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171365)

this being developed by Lucent several years ago, around the time that they just switched names from Bell Labs. I'd read about it somewhere on their website and never heard anything about it until now. It sure seems to have taken on a completely different form.

Discreet's Inferno (3, Interesting)

tinrobot (314936) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171371)

A lot of high-end movie effects are created using a product by Discreet called Inferno. It's been around for years. I smell a trade name suit coming.

http://www.discreet.com/inferno/

What programming language? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171378)

I wonder if the authors of Inferno happened to program it in Malbolge [antwon.com] ?

Tinkered with an early version of Inferno (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9171380)

Way back in 97 as part of MS directed research stuff @ USC. Came to a screeching halt when Lucents marketing weenies decided that a source license would cost in excess of $1M. Funny bit after that was the marketing person called one of the guys on our project team and was complaining that she got chewed out by D Ritchie. He'd posted the details of the licensing deal to comp.os.inferno .

Unix?! (1)

NEOtaku17 (679902) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171398)

Anyone on Slashdot is "smart" enough to know that the devil uses Windows! I mean come on now.

All major components are named after hell. (1)

blindcoder (606653) | more than 10 years ago | (#9171426)

So, what component is "Good Intentions?" Graphical User Interface?
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