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Eigenfaces Online Service

Hemos posted more than 9 years ago | from the this-will-go-poorly-for-the-newspaper dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 149

nordicfrost writes "At Norways largest online newspaper, they're doing the beta test of an Eigenface service. In short, it takes a portrait picture, treats it with some filters and analyzes the vectors in it. This is used for crimestopping and generic Big Brother activities. In this database, however, your mug is compared with celebrites to find which one that matches you the most. I match, among others, Brad Garrett. This site is pretty self-explaining, upload a portrait pic of yourself taken right in front of your face, closely cropped to the face and use the up arrow to see your top ten list of celebrity matches. You have to agree to some terms first, like giving permission to use your pic in promotions and other stuff and not to upload indecent stuff."

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A front for Norway's foreign intelligence! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9173257)

I'm quite certain that this is a front for the "Politiets sikkerhetstjeneste [politiet.no] "!

Re:A front for Norway's foreign intelligence! (5, Funny)

Otter (3800) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173414)

Well, if it keeps your country safe from Brad Garrett, it's worth any price.

Also (4, Funny)

That's Unpossible! (722232) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173270)

It helps if you know the language.

My first attempt matched me up to a very nice looking female.

Too bad I'm a male.

So that's what kvimmen means.

Re:Also (5, Funny)

idfrsr (560314) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173513)

"My first attempt matched me up to a very nice looking female."

The possible ways to respond to this are numerous, but I think that what you need to do, is to make sure that under no possible circumstance you find yourself in a prison...

Starmatch.vg.no is slashdotted. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9173577)

But fortunately, here is a mirror [www.al.lu] . It automatically displays the face in the db which matches yours the most!

Re:Also (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9173835)

That is probably because you spend too much time on the computer and have developed man boobs.

Re:Also (2, Funny)

groot (198923) | more than 9 years ago | (#9174587)


My first attempt matched me up to a very nice looking female.


Too bad the nice looking female was Mrs. Garrett [tvtome.com] from the TV sitcom Facts of Life. I guess they never got past the 'G's when setting up the celebs. reference images database.

--laz

interestingly a dupe (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9173272)

of my penis!

William Gibson novel (4, Interesting)

raider_red (156642) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173274)

Wasn't there something like this in Virtual Light? I think it was used to find missing persons by posting information on which celebrities the abducted/missing person looked like.

Re:William Gibson novel (3, Informative)

BenBenBen (249969) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173305)

"Seperated at Birth"; it was used to give a celebrity that a suspect looked like, as apparently people have an area of the brain devoted to tracking celebs or something. Very, very, very similar, actually. I fully expect much more of Gibson's stuff to appear on this page in the coming years.

Re:William Gibson novel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9173960)

I think, in the UK a while back, they said a suspect looked like (some famous football player) on the news.

the footballer kept getting harassed, people phoning the police with sightings etc. I think he sued somebody.

sorry, I forgot all the details, it's not relevant and might not be remotely true. but other than that, what an anecdote!

Re:William Gibson novel (1)

Wes Janson (606363) | more than 9 years ago | (#9174593)

Virtual Light had this exact, identical system. Upon seeing the post, the first thing that crossed my mind was..Gibson did it again. His foresight is rather unnerving, in my view.

Oblig Dr. Evil Quote... (-1, Offtopic)

The_Rippa (181699) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173276)

You know Eigenface, I don't speak freaky-deaky dutch. Okay perv boy?

Re:Oblig Dr. Evil Quote... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9173415)

What's that norwegian site got to do with dutch ???

Re:Oblig Dr. Evil Quote... (0, Offtopic)

aierwin (445651) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173427)

in Norway they don't speak dutch, thats what the peoplein the Netherlands (Holland) do.

Re:Oblig Dr. Evil Quote... (0, Offtopic)

aierwin (445651) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173448)

Oops.. i know see that i reacted on a Dr. Evil quote, not on a reaction of a sane person...

I tried it with a photo of Darl McBride (5, Funny)

Alranor (472986) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173284)

And it suggested This [firsttvdrama.com] picture ...

Re:I tried it with a photo of Darl McBride (3, Funny)

thedillybar (677116) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173364)

Did you not read the terms?

I think it said not to upload indecent pics...

Re:I tried it with a photo of Darl McBride (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9174514)

Really? I got the goatse picture. Strange.

Interesting... (4, Funny)

Woogiemonger (628172) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173288)

So if I upload a picture of my ass, do they match it to Darl McBride?

Re:Interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9173345)

No, he did not make it through the obscenity filter....

Re:Interesting... (2, Insightful)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173992)

No, you upload a picture of Darl, they match it to your ass.

Re:Interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9174528)

Must be some ass to be a celebrity.

Re:Interesting... (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 9 years ago | (#9174211)

That would be humorous, but I have a feeling it would get matched to a different infamous ass that is quite unpleasant to view.

I most resemble Mr. Sparkle (5, Funny)

jakedata (585566) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173311)

WHO IS MR. SPARKLE?
Mr. Sparkle is everybody's favorite Japanese pop-culture soap logo. His soap is made only from the purest of plants from the mysterious forests of Hokkaido, Japan. He appears frequently in commercials for his soap, and can be seen on billboards, and outside of the Mr. Sparkle plant. According to his box, Mr. Sparkle is a "magnet for foodstuffs", and he banishes dirt to the land of wind and ghosts. If you are further interested in Mr. Sparkle soap, you can contact the factory in Japan for a videotape on distributing Mr. Sparkle in your home prefecture. http://www.geocities.com/chuckhoyt/mrsparkle.html

This explains a LOT of strange things that have happened to me over the years!

-j

NOOOOO (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9173330)

I just finished studying eigenvalues and eigenvectors, now eigenfaces!?!?

Re:NOOOOO (3, Informative)

zopu (558866) | more than 9 years ago | (#9174280)

It's named eigenfaces because the underlying compression technique uses eigenvalues/vectors.

It's called PCA (principle components analysis) and works by finding an underlying low-dimensional representation that minimises the reconstruction error when you put everything back together.

So you find a new set of basis vectors to represent the data with, where your new set is smaller than your old set.

It turns out that the best basis used for the reconstruction is formed from the 'biggest' eigenvectors (those with the largest eigenvalues) of the covariance matrix of the data.

I think the real question is... (4, Funny)

jm92956n (758515) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173334)

Can I upload a photo of me with my tin-foil hat on?

Re:I think the real question is... (2, Funny)

javatips (66293) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173392)

Yes, but don't be surprised if they match you with a cone head!

Grandparent poster must have mass quantities... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9173620)

...of ugly :-)

Avoiding recognition: Gaming the system (5, Interesting)

G4from128k (686170) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173378)

A facial recognition system like EigenFace looks for the dominant modes of variation among a population of faces to find predictors that help distinguish among the different faces. By ignore the ways that faces are more similar and accentuating the ways that faces are most different, they can craft identification algorithms. The only challenge is getting enough data to understand the full range of facial variations -- hence this solicitation for more facial data.

But I wonder if people can game this system to make themselves unrecognizable. For example, a member of the tin-foil hat brigade might submit multiple mugshots of themselves under mutliple assumed identities. By using slight variations in facial expression, makeup, lighting, and camera angle they would make the system think that a large fraction of the population "looks like" the person who seeks anonymity. The system would then have a hard time identifying the tin-foil hat wearer because he/she matches so many people in the test data.

Anyone can make themselves "look average" if they can bias the dataset that defines the average.

Re:Avoiding recognition: Gaming the system (2, Funny)

Klerck (213193) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173504)

I don't think it'd be very difficult to identify these people if they're wearing tin foil hats in their pictures as you say.

We need a poll!!!!!! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9173380)

I Uploaded my face and it was matched with:

1) CowboyNeal
2) CowboyNeal
3) CowboyNeal
4) CowboyNeal
5) CowboyNeal
6) CowboyNeal
7) CowboyNeal
8) CowboyNeal

Re:We need a poll!!!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9173663)

You are not funny.

It's an evil plot! (4, Funny)

nizo (81281) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173384)

This is all an evil plot to match IP numbers with faces! Don't fall for it! And yes, I am very upset that they said my face most closely matched Paul Reubens.

Re:It's an evil plot! (1)

XMyth (266414) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173492)

Whew....it's a good thing I have a dynamic face.....god did I just post that? someone shoot me

Ima Gunna (4, Funny)

robpoe (578975) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173391)

Lets upload a picture of Shrek .. and see who's face more closely matches...

John Goodman?
Bob Barker?
Alex Travec?
Geraldo Rivera?

Re:Ima Gunna (1)

mictho (732839) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173578)

Lord Farquaad is supposedly Eisner: http://www.shrek.com/igallery/large_images/800x600 /Farquaad_800.jpg

Re:Ima Gunna (2, Funny)

fdiskne1 (219834) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173606)

Actually, the makers of Shrek intentionally made Farquaad a spitting image of Eisner. I'm sure it was nothing personal, though. *ahem*

Re:Ima Gunna (1)

hoggoth (414195) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173760)

That's a useless link to demonstrate your point.
I think many more of us already know what Lord Farquaad looks like from watching Shrek. How about a link to a picture of Eisner?

Re:Ima Gunna (Test it)! (4, Interesting)

gosand (234100) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173592)

Better yet, test the site out by uploading pictures of celebrities, and see which celebrity is says they most closely resemble.

ex Hear'Say member Danny (1)

Hogwash McFly (678207) | more than 9 years ago | (#9174576)

Hardly any American slashdotters will have heard of the band Hear'Say, formed through reality TV show 'Popstars' (pretty much the same drill as Pop Idol). The band split up quite soon after being chosen as the winners of the show (surprise surprise).

In the UK, many of us have seen a likeness between the Hear'Say member Danny and Shrek. Although calling him a celebrity is using the term very loosely indeed.

Some pics (couldn't find much, there are much better ones that show more of a likeness, but oh well):

One [cwn.org.uk]
Two [bbc.co.uk]
Three [freehomepage.com]
Four [freehomepage.com]
Five [southportlive.com]

/.'ed (4, Funny)

JosKarith (757063) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173394)

Already.
(Pouts) - now I'm gonna have to wait ages to give their boimetric database a picture of me and my IP address.

Re:/.'ed (1)

kunudo (773239) | more than 9 years ago | (#9174080)

The best thing is, it's the 17th of may, which is our independence day, or whatever you wanna call it. I can guarantee you, their sysadmin is NOT at work today. :D

Kjær Gud! Hva skjedd til vår bandwith? (5, Funny)

curtisk (191737) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173424)

FORBANNET Slashdot!

Note: post is funny and ontopic (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9173538)

Translation:

Subject: Dear God, what has happened to our bandwidth?

Comment: DAMN Slashdot!

Re:Note: post is funny and ontopic (1)

Rune Berge (663292) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173825)

But gramatically incorrect... I've patched it:

Kjære Gud! Hva har skjedd med vår båndbredde?

Re:Kjær Gud! Hva skjedd til vår bandwith (1)

IdleTime (561841) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173895)

Kjære Gud! Hva skjedde med vår båndbredde?

HELVETES /.!

Babelfish is always funny when reading something translated to your own language.

Re:Kjær Gud! Hva skjedd til vår bandwith (1)

curtisk (191737) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173978)

HELVETES

Hey now, you don't have to work "blue" :)

Babelfish is always funny when reading something translated to your own language.

No arguement there! I was using http://www.freetranslation.com/ other than my missing the "d" in bandwidth *cough*, in Norwegian its just combining the two words "bånd" and "bredde"? Whats up with the "med"?

Re:Kjær Gud! Hva skjedd til vår bandwith (1)

kunudo (773239) | more than 9 years ago | (#9174114)

in this context: med = to (our bandwidth)
usually, it means with.

Re:Kjær Gud! Hva skjedd til vår bandwith (1)

kunudo (773239) | more than 9 years ago | (#9174061)

It's like this: Herregud, hva skjedde med oppkoblinga vår?! Den beste delen av det er at det er 17. mai, nasjonaldagen, så VG sin sysadmin er garantert ikke på jobb :) stakkars... :D

Re:Kjær Gud! Hva skjedd til vår bandwith (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9174245)

Den beste delen av det er at det er 17. mai, nasjonaldagen,

Jag tror inte du behöver förklara vad den 17:e maj innebär för folk som ändå kan läsa din norska. ;) Försök på engelska.

Re:Kjær Gud! Hva skjedd til vår bandwith (1)

kunudo (773239) | more than 9 years ago | (#9174351)

ventet bare på at noen skulle prøve med babelfish på den :)

If only.. (3, Interesting)

Willeh (768540) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173428)

I just hope they can keep this out of the hands of the police. They would LOVE to get their hands on a database like this (even with the inevitable false positives you get when people just want to prank the system with mcbride/ hello.jpg type stuff). If you think i'm being too serious about this, think of the blurred lines between the media and serious business that is already the case in some countries. Keeping in the vein of the article, spot the quote: "Now i can feel like Matt Dillon instead of an asshole."

Re:If only.. (1)

voxra (68079) | more than 9 years ago | (#9174084)

"I just hope they can keep this out of the hands of the police."
-the police already have our mug shots in the passport database...

Privacy concerns with eigenfaces (1)

0x0d0a (568518) | more than 9 years ago | (#9174622)

There has already been research [cmu.edu] on partially "anonymizing" eigenface data to the point where it is useful but does not provide 24/7-everywhere-people-go tracking.

Upload a pic of a celebrity (1)

McNeany (596903) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173430)

Has anyone tried uploading a pic of a celebrities face and seeing if that celebrity was returned as a look-alike?

Indecent stuff... (1)

Giant Panda (779279) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173446)

...and other stuff and not to upload indecent stuff...

It's automated, right? Interesting possibilities...

Re:Indecent stuff... (2, Funny)

ultrasound (472511) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173824)

It is very clever automation.

They have several back-end databases containing tons of eigentits, eigenbums, eigenarses etc. generated through hours of dedicated pron surfing.

If the uploaded image matches too closely to any of these then it is rejected.

My cat looks like Scott Baio (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9173463)

For fun, I put my cat's face into one of these things, and it kept returning Scott Baio as the celebrity he most resembles.

Re:My cat looks like Scott Baio (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9173744)

Your cat must have pink-eye...

Re:My cat looks like Scott Baio (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9174462)

Too bad I surf anonymously (and am apparently the only other one to have seen that South Park episode)! That's +5, Funny as Hell.

So when the site goes down... (4, Funny)

swasson (639367) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173473)

does that mean that it's been /.'ed or that someone has a VERY ugly mug?

Medical application (4, Interesting)

InternationalCow (681980) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173481)

Perhaps less obvious is the usefulness of this system for syndrome diagnosis. There, we depend on our visual memory of a dysmorphic "Gestalt" to recognize human malformation syndromes. So far, attempts at some kind of computer-aided diagnosis have failed. Too bad, because syndrome diagnosis like we do it now is error-prone and difficult. This system however may be used to recognize typical "syndrome vectors", so you can feed it a patient's picture and have it say "x% match with oculo-dento-digital dysplasia" or whatever disease comes to mind. Potentially very useful!

Re:Medical application (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9173951)

Absolutely fascinating idea.

I've worked in neuropsychology and neurology, and there's this phenomenon that often occurs where you meet a patient, and know they're dysmorphic in an identifiable way, but can't quite place what's different about them. These individuals often go through years, if not decades, of unsuccessful genetic testing to try to match them with a syndrome.

Perhaps your suggestion could help in such cases. More generally, it might improve research, by allowing for quantification of features more accurately. Then you could say with some precision that feature X tends to be associated with gene Y. This might actually lead to a revolution in the way that neurogenetic syndromes are conceived of and neurodevelopmental trajectories are modeled.

Having said that, I'm not sure that an eigen decomposition approach is the most effective. As I understand it, this method is based on a decomposition of a covariance matrix, and is therefore essentially limited to breaking down features into linear components. It only models through the second moment of a distribution (means and variances).

My guess is that more accurate results could be obtained by using something that models statistical dependencies in general, rather than just covariances. This could be done by using independent components analysis [cis.hut.fi] , for example, rather than principle components analysis.

The Slashdot comparison effect (-1, Troll)

Dusabre (176445) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173503)

Slashdot.org offers a similar service. It matches your server output with that of one that has been fried. Its basically identical.

In other words, this site has been slashdotted which any fool could have been predicted (smallish site, massive cpu usage for image comparison, every slashdotter and his non-existent girlfriend logging in).

Homeland security by any other name... (5, Funny)

Not_Wiggins (686627) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173508)

[sarcasm]
This is a GREAT idea! What will be next? See how closely your fingerprints match the fingerprints of your favorite celebrities? See how well your password stacks up against other users?
Just fill out this form, put in your SS#, mother's maiden name, US address, credit card numbers, and the last 3 tax returns, and we'll show you if you look like Fred Flintstone... and we won't do anything else with your information... HONEST!
[/sarcasm]

(For the humor impaired, and there seems to be an inordinate number of you, I'M KIDDING! ;) )

Re:Homeland security by any other name... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9173547)

> For the humor impaired, and there seems to be
> an inordinate number of you, I'M KIDDING!

When you have to tell people you're being funny, you're not being funny.

value-added service (2, Funny)

inkedmn (462994) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173512)

If anybody comes up as matching Kevin Costner, they should include a nationwide suicide hotline in the subtext.

That explains alot (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9173573)

I matched Osama Bin Laden. I always wondered why I was strip-searched every time I flew on an airline.

"The Man" is just... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9173662)

using this as a cute way to get everyone to update its database, so I can better control your lives!!!!!!!

This must be the lamest service ever... (0)

dizzy_p (66204) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173747)

That vg.no has come up with. I have a strong reason to believe that they present this bollocks now, when they're in the middle of a strike - to desperately get enough click-throughs for their ads.

Let's be honest for a second... (2, Interesting)

kill-9-0 (720338) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173817)

How many of you REALLY REALLY want to upload a picture of the goatse guy and see who he most resembles? Any guesses?

Anyone else that read, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9173852)

eggonface... ?

yay! (3, Funny)

xutopia (469129) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173913)

Guide to having no privacy and letting others make money at it.
  • install this new cool popup blocker from Microsoft!
  • Upload your picture for free!
  • Give us your fingerprints and we'll tell you who to vote for!
  • Get this free helper to fix your computer problems, his name is Bonzai.

My use for this (2, Interesting)

FuzzyDaddy (584528) | more than 9 years ago | (#9173948)

I could use some decent facial recognition software to help me sort my rapidly growing collection of digital family photos. I barely have time to pick out the good ones for printing, let alone organize them in some rational way. I've often wished I could use facial recognition software to go through and create a database of the people in my pictures, so I could automatically send pictures to people who would be interested.

I'm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9174006)

...John Holmes. I don't know if that means that I have a lot of wood or am just very stiff*.

* JH is dead, for those of you slow on the uptake.

Oh, the possibilities of recognition technology. (4, Funny)

Myself (57572) | more than 9 years ago | (#9174007)

I should point out that I didn't even consider uploading anything indecent until I was warned against doing so. What the hell can be indecent about a face? Then I thought about it for a minute. Hey, what celebrity does my ass most resemble? A bit more thinking, and I realized that I could get instantly matched to Darl McBride by uploading a pic of my schlong [sexylosers.com] .

On a more general note, non-face-specific image recognition software would be handy to have for a lot of reasons. I'm envisioning an object recognizer, where you take a picture or scan of, say, a circuit board. It could spit back something like "That's a SB16 ISA PNP, drivers are www.some.where and compatibility info is www.over.there"

Such a system would need a distributed database, I don't think it would make sense to centralize it. With the right moderation system, you might even be able to keep every circuit board from matching a porn site. ;)

Um... Eigenstuff...?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9174042)

So if somebody else had facial features proportional to yours, since that implies that "size" vectors are multiplied by a common scalar, can the system differentiate between you and that other guy?

Time to get my tin foil hat on.

Mirror (2, Funny)

alexjohns (53323) | more than 9 years ago | (#9174179)

Well, I always see people mirroring stuff that's /.ed, so I figure it's about time that I lent a hand, so I'll mirror this one. I'll have to program it from scratch, though. Anybody got a clue as to how this whole 'eigen-whatever' works? I guess I'll use Open-GL for the image manipulation routines. Does everyone think that perl is the right language for this? Can someone give me a link to some perl vector routine tutorials? I'm also gonna need someone to provide hosting and bandwidth.

But I'll get this up soon, I promise. It's about time I gave back to the community.

Slashdotted... (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 9 years ago | (#9174184)

They may be voluntarily doing a beta test, but we're giving them an involuntary stress-test.

They failed.

An extended use (2, Interesting)

fireacc (671446) | more than 9 years ago | (#9174306)

It would be interesting to have them not limit the matches returned to just celebrities, but to return matches to other users of the system. Then you could see if you have an evil (or good) twin out there somewhere.

OMG (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9174538)

I look just like Michael Jackson!

oh noes
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