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Windows 98SE emulated on Pocket PC

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the and-then-run-pearpc dept.

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David Horn writes "PocketGamer is carrying a story on the successful emulation of Windows 95 and Windows 98SE on the Pocket PC. This was made possible by a Pocket PC port of Bochs, a DOS emulator. If you're keen to try this yourself, you'll need a minimum of a 256MB memory card (or stream the image over a wireless network) and you'll need a program like Nyditot Virtual Display to increase your screen resolution. Oh, yes, and you'll also need the emulator. You can find more information and a selection of screenshots here. Following the porting of a full speed Playstation emulator and Pocket Quake, this really raises the bar for what the Pocket PC is capable of."

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151 comments

Sweet! (-1, Troll)

Radon Knight (684275) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226065)

Now we can emulate a crappy operating system on a toy operating system!

Re:Sweet! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9226071)

hahah you are teh funny! tool.

mod this idiot down for flamebait mods, let him have it!

Win98se (-1, Troll)

mlcolosimo (712247) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226066)

Win98se.... this is good for... what reason?

Re:Win98se (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9226096)

Win98se.... this is good for... what reason?

I misread that. I knew win98 crashed a lot, but enough to call it treason??

Limitations (5, Interesting)

Raindance (680694) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226070)

This is a very cool project.

Current limitations seem to include lack of DirectX support but, as Pocket Quake was ported, perhaps there's some OpenGL framework for the Pocket PC that wouldn't be too difficult to link up with this Windows 98 emulation.

So, it's not perfect for 'playing any PC game' yet, but there's hope.

RD

Re:Limitations (5, Informative)

Dan East (318230) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226104)

Pocket Quake uses Quake's software renderer.

However ATI did comission me to port GLQuake to Pocket PC to conform to OpenGL ES. However the source code is not available (as we have not distributed - only demoed - the binary).

Dan East

Re:Limitations (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9226553)

When it's released, there will be source with it, right? I was under the impression that Quake was under the GPL

Limitations: Speed? (2, Insightful)

Turtlewind (781809) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226237)

The biggest limitation I can think of is the speed. I can't imagine that Win98 being run on an emulator could be anywhere near fast enough to play games, DirectX or otherwise.

Re:Limitations: Speed? (2, Insightful)

homer_ca (144738) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226429)

Bochs is already painfully slow on an Athlon XP. I wouldn't want to imagine running it on a 400Mhz ARM.

Re:Limitations: Speed? (4, Informative)

jrockway (229604) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226493)

Yes. However, someone should try running Windows98 under QEMU. QEMU can emulate an x86 host now (I installed Windows Server 2003 under QEMU and it worked fine; it was usuable in speed), and it runs on ARM machines. Bochs isn't really good for much anymore, QEMU beats it in everything.

(In case you're wondering QEMU can emulate PREP and x86 hosts and run on ARM, PPC, x86, SPARC, and more. It can also translate (for example) Linux/x86 binaries to run on PPC so you can use wine on a PPC. As I said, it's really really cool. Take a look at their site [bellard.free.fr] or the OS Support Table [bellard.free.fr] . Have fun!)

The point? (1, Insightful)

redKrane (672370) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226072)

I really dont understand the point in having old systems emulated on an old platform

Re:The point? (1)

Prof.Phreak (584152) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226273)

Exactly.

Especially considering that anyone can get a laptop to do all these things---much better!

If you wanna run Windows (and play games), get a small laptop instead of an oversized and uncomfortable to use PDA.

Re:The point? (3, Insightful)

RTCW_Monkey (624227) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226288)

The point is now I can play Star Control II, Wolfenstein and Scorched Earth on my pocket PC.

balls

Re:The point? (1)

coljac (154587) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226703)

Star Control II rules forever. Finally, a use for technology I can get excited about - to make SCII more accessible.

Are you kidding? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9227052)

You get the stability of Windows 98 combined with the speed and power of a Pocket PC... Sweet!!

Windows XP (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9226074)

I'll stick to emulating Windows XP on my full size laptop, thanks.

Usefull ? (4, Interesting)

Dozix007 (690662) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226077)

Is a Windows 95/98 port to the PocketPC a very usefull tool ? Win. 95/98 is designed to be usefull and (somewhat) functional for a desktop enviroment. The Pocket PC version of Windows is a far more usefull tool. It have features built in that PocketPCs are used for, and it does not drag down your resources nearly as much as 98/95.

Re:Usefull ? (2, Insightful)

JeffHeatonDotCom (755297) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226089)

Why do this? Like so many of these very cool geek projects, they do it because they can.

Jeff

Re:Usefull ? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9226112)

It's 'useful' moron. Learn to spell and maybe people will start taking you seriously.

Re:Usefull ? (2, Interesting)

robslimo (587196) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226156)

I'm with you. Maybe my imagination is just failing me today, but I couldn't think of a reason, other than to say "Hey, look at this!" to do this.

Beside, I'm pretty sure you can't buy a legal copy of 96/98/ME and, since a windows license is not transferable to another machine (I think), there may not be a legal way to run old Windows on a Pocket PC.

Re:Usefull ? (2, Insightful)

jpmkm (160526) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226198)

If you buy a full retail version of Windows then you can do whatever the hell you want with it. It is not tied to any particular machine. However, OEM versions of Windows that come installed on computers are usually tied to whatever computer it was originally installed on. Although Microsoft isn't directly producing and selling windows 95/98/ME anymore, I believe there are still places that have legal copies for sale. There are certainly many many copies that people bought back in the day but they are not using anymore. Also, what is wrong with doing something just to say, "Hey, look at this!"? This may also pave the way for other, more useful projects, so this project may not be entirely useless.

Re:Usefull ? (1)

zmooc (33175) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226648)

There is no legal basis for a windows license not being transferable to another computer whatsoever in most countries.

Re:Usefull ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9226821)

> I'm with you. Maybe my imagination is just failing me today, but I couldn't think of a reason, other than to say "Hey, look at this!" to do this.

Win9x has many more apps than WinCE. How about running an old version of Maple for example?

Re:Usefull ? (3, Informative)

Dan East (318230) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226174)

The article contains several misleading statements. Bochs is not a Windows 98 emulator (nor is it a DOS emulator). It is an x86 emulator. Running Windows 98 within the emulator is just a way of showing off what it can do. Much better than boring VGA text mode screenshots of DOS, which would not have gotten mention here at SlashDot.

Dan East

Re:Usefull ? (5, Insightful)

jpmkm (160526) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226175)

Jesus christ, dude. Is there a use to ANY hobby? Is there a use to collecting stamps? I sure can't think of any. Is there a purpose to playing miniature golf? People playing mini golf certainly are not helping to cure cancer or fight drug abuse. Why do people play miniature golf? BECAUSE THEY FUCKING WANT TO. God damn. Why fucking do anything? Just because you do not find something useful or entertaining or beneficial DOES NOT mean that it is not useful or entertaining or beneficial to everyone else. Grow up.

Re:Usefull ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9226226)

"People playing mini golf certainly are not helping to cure cancer or fight drug abuse."

or people could live and let live; instead of imposing their vision of morality on others...what a crazy idea. Instead lets have a highly expensive, ineffective war on drugs that really is just a tool when you want to incarcerate certain parts of the population.

Re:Usefull ? (1)

jpmkm (160526) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226265)

My post was not an advocation of a drug war or telling people what to do. I simply chose two examples that people would recognize. Many people see right through the drug war and have lost faith in it. However, many people also realize that abuse of anything is rarely good for anyone. One could just as easily overdose on sugar as he could on cocaine. Once again, I am not advocating telling people what to do. It was simply an example to help people to understand my point.

Re:Usefull ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9226569)

Sorry I misread your original post.

Re:Usefull ? (2, Insightful)

SoLoatWork (187259) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226287)

Why do posts like this always come up when a neat hack is featured? How many times does it have to be said? Stuff like this isn't out there to be "useful", it's out there for people like me who think its just cool. Nothing more, nothing less.

Re:Usefull ? (1)

DrMrLordX (559371) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226668)

While I might be similarly inclined to question the value of emulating Win9x on PocketPCs, I must admit that such an emulation is more useful than, oh, I don't know . . . installing Linux on a dead badger [slashdot.org] .

Slashspammed? (4, Funny)

42forty-two42 (532340) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226079)

There seems to have been a slight problem with the database.
Please try again by pressing the refresh button in your browser.

An E-Mail has been dispatched to our Technical Staff, who you can also contact if the problem persists.

I feel sorry for the technical staff. I thought we were supposed to be against spamming?

Re:Slashspammed? (1)

lessthanjakejohn (766177) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226102)

gah.. its already down

Ugh, Slashdotted... (1)

ChaosWing (83607) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226113)

Go figure. I was just going to visit the site (I have it bookmarked), and that's what I see. I thought at first that the site was just down...then I see the "too many connections" part. You can guess where I went next. >_

I haven't seen the post yet (for obvious reasons), but I wonder what the emulated processor speed is, and whether the system can be used to run plain old DOS (so I can play those old games that PocketDOS still seems to have issues with).

Re:Slashspammed? (1)

gtjames (738375) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226114)

A link from slash dot = site crash ... that's just funny.

Re:Slashspammed? (1)

ThomaMelas (631856) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226744)

You must be new.

Re:Slashspammed? (1)

David Horn (772985) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226540)

D'oh! I've got just over 11000 error emails in my Inbox.

The server is still up and running - if you refresh it will load.

What kinds of nerds are you guys?! (4, Interesting)

smr2x (266420) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226087)

I think the point of this may be just because you can... Not every little hack has to have a purpose. I'm impressed just because it's cool to have been done.

Re:What kinds of nerds are you guys?! (2, Funny)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226116)

Exactly, today while watching the FA Cup final in England I mentally emulated a professional soccer player. In a dazzling 10 minute spell I scored a record six goals, 5 were wonder strikes and 1 was a simple tap in. Unfortuately my emulation ultimately proved to be worthless as the manc scum won 3-0 anyway.

Bochs is not a DOS emulator! (5, Informative)

Henrik S. Hansen (775975) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226099)

Bochs [sourceforge.net] (link in article is wrong!) is not a DOS emulator!

From the website:

Bochs is a highly portable open source IA-32 (x86) PC emulator written in C++, that runs on most popular platforms. It includes emulation of the Intel x86 CPU, common I/O devices, and a custom BIOS.

Re:Bochs is not a DOS emulator! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9226284)

Haha, thanks for pointing that out for me. I laughed aloud when I read that. I don't know I could've been as civil either.

Bochs is not a DOS emulator (2, Informative)

pesc (147035) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226103)

This was made possible by a Pocket PC port of Bochs, a DOS emulator.

Not quite. Bochs [sourceforge.net] is a IA-32 (x86) emulator that allows other architectures (such as ARM commonly used in handheld devices) to emulate a IA-32 chip.

Which begs the question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9226155)

Not quite. Bochs is a IA-32 (x86) emulator that allows other architectures (such as ARM commonly used in handheld devices) to emulate a IA-32 chip.

They say that snake tastes like chicken. Why not just eat chicken? It's cheaper, doesn't slither around on it's belly, and is probably better for you.

So why not just get an IA-32 (x86) machine?

Re:Which begs the question... (1)

sploo22 (748838) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226189)

Hmm... you tell me. Maybe it's a little hard to fit a laptop in your shirt pocket, did you ever think of that?

Re:Which begs the question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9226225)

Why would anyone want to put a laptop in their shirt pocket? Why not just get a pocket PC? Run Win98SE (for whatever reason) on your laptop and PalmOS or Wince or Linux on the pocket PC.

Re:Which begs the question... (1)

sploo22 (748838) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226289)

The whole point is, you can run the Win98 software on the Pocket PC instead of having to carry around a laptop. *sigh*

Re:Which begs the question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9226456)

But... You can run an OS that was designed for the Pocket PC? Why not just run that? It will work better, no? I have no idea what Win98SE gives you on a Pocket PC that the Pocket PC don't already do with it's own OS?

But? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9226107)

I'm not exactly new here, but... why? That's not for nerds. That's for the mentally retarded, or the Chinese (like there is a difference, re, William Hung)

Welcome to the Bochs IA-32 Emulator Project (2, Informative)

Curtman (556920) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226109)

Dos emulator?? Isn't that understating things a bit?

Bochs homepage [sourceforge.net]
  • Bochs is a highly portable open source IA-32 (x86) PC emulator written in C++, that runs on most popular platforms. It includes emulation of the Intel x86 CPU, common I/O devices, and a custom BIOS. Currently, Bochs can be compiled to emulate a 386, 486, Pentium, Pentium Pro or AMD64 CPU, including optional MMX, SSE, SSE2 and 3DNow instructions

Re:Welcome to the Bochs IA-32 Emulator Project (-1, Troll)

Curtman (556920) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226130)

You cheap mod point wasters. All three of us posted within 2 minutes. And mine had more info. Pffft. Eat meta-mod you bastards.

nice tour de force (3, Interesting)

InternationalCow (681980) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226118)

But then I am using one OS I do not like to run another one that I do not like at all :) Seriously, I would have more use for a nice X windows client so I could remotely connect to my OSX and Solaris boxes at work. That would be really useful.

Re:nice tour de force (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9226233)

Would this do? Lots of other great Unix util ports to Pocket PC by Rainer Keuchel on his site, as well. http://www.rainer-keuchel.de/wince/xfree-wince.htm l

Re:nice tour de force (3, Informative)

Bastian (66383) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226235)

What you're probably really looking for is an X Server (X clients are the applications that use X to display graphics).

A google search for "X Server PocketPC" gives me this site [rainer-keuchel.de] , which lists a WinCE port of a XFree86.

Alternatively, you could use a VNC [utah.edu] , which would be more useful for OS X if you were wanting access to Aqua applications, too.

(No clue how well either of these work; I'm a PalmOS guy.)

Re:nice tour de force (1)

Glonoinha (587375) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226244)

I run a WinCE handheld (a damn old one too, HP Jornada 680) with a wifi connection and the TermServer client - runs pretty nice too. Win2003Server on a 640x240 touch screen is almost usable on a regular fashion, and the 75% sized real keyboard is good enough for interaction with the machine (sucks for touchtyping, but still better than nothing.) It is like having an instant on baby laptop with an 8 hour battery and a P4/2.4GHz CPU and a Gig of RAM and a tiny screen, fold up and fit in my lab coat pocket.

I wonder if there is an X windows client for the old WinCE / Pocket PC handhelds.

Re:nice tour de force (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226328)

Windows 98SE is the best of the Wintendo series. I emulate it in VirtualPC on my Powerbook to run some of the old DOS/Wintendo games I have lying around.

98 emulation is cool? (1, Interesting)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226127)

Windows 98 is one of the worst "operating systems" ever. Running it nativily is sure to get you beaten up by the /. Pogramm Action Committee. But emulating it is suddenly cool enough for a Slashdot headline?

Of course, /. also posts every time someone gets Linux to do anything remotly approaching almost sorta but not quite entirely unlike working on anything that has electricity pluged into it, so...

Re:98 emulation is cool? (1)

LaBlueCow (768184) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226249)

What's a "Pogramm"? Just wondering...
Anyhow, I think this project is interesting. Granted, I'm not going to run out and get a PocketPC just so I can run 98se, but the fullspeed PSX emu mentioned catches my eye...
Pocket sized Final Fantasy? Better yet, pocket sized Symphony of the Night! NOW we're talking! Woo-hah!

Re:98 emulation is cool? (1)

Betcour (50623) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226514)

I can see plenty of uses for a Windows 98 emulator. Pocket Civilization ! Now you can spend every free minute of your life playing just one more.

Re:98 emulation is cool? (1)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226709)

A pogramm is a semi-organized act, or set of acts, of violence by one group directed at another group. For instance, this is the sort of thing that went on in the south-western Soviet satilites, directed at Jews, prior to WW2. "Christal Night" was a pogramm.

Re:98 emulation is cool? (1)

LaBlueCow (768184) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226735)

Oh, you mean a pogrom [reference.com] ?

Re:98 emulation is cool? (4, Insightful)

njchick (611256) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226252)

You are missing the point. Bochs is free software. Running Bocks on another platform (PocketPC) is an achievement of free software. It's not so important what operating system runs in the emulator. Actually, the fact that Bochs is good enough to run an close source, buggy OS only underlines the quality of PC emulation in Bochs. I'm sure Bochs will easily run other OSes as well.

What the pocketPC is capable of... (2, Funny)

JUSTONEMORELATTE (584508) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226146)

So you've got win98 running on it now? Wow, with the functionality you just added to your device, I've just got one word for you:

PWN3D!!!1!

I can't wait to see.... (5, Funny)

Prod_Deity (686460) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226158)

a mini Blue Screen Of Death.

Re:I can't wait to see.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9227106)

That blue screen joke is older than yo mama, who is so old she farts dust.

copy paste (1)

Sarin (112173) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226159)

Thanks to Miracle and ceasar54 for writing in with the news that a member has got both Windows 95 and Windows 98 SE running on his Asus PPC.

This was made possible by a Pocket PC port of Bochs, by Mamaich, who has also ported DosBox, a "program similar to Bochs but it's a lot faster and only emulates DOS". Sadly, the author tried and failed to get WarLords II working on both these versions, but I'm sure time will tell!

If you're keen to try this on your own Pocket PC, you'll need a minimum of a 256MB memory card (or stream the image over a wireless network) and you'll need a program like Nyditot Virtual Display to increase your screen resolution. Oh, yes, and you'll also need the emulator.

According to Miracle, what we really need now is for another developer to "pick this up and optimize it to get more speed, since Mamaich stated that he will not continue to work on this, but instead focus more on DosBox."

Given that this shows that a Pocket PC is easily powerful enough to run Windows 95 and 98 in an emulator, do you think that attention might shift from developing new Pocket PC games to trying to get the original PC games to work in emulators? While I played a few games in Pocket DOS, the lack of decent controls made enjoying them nearly impossible. On the other hand, a predominantly mouse based game might run quite happily, and allow everyone to enjoy it on the move.

its a great idea.. (5, Funny)

sentientbeing (688713) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226163)

..every time it BSODs its easier to throw across the room and stamp on than a dekstop..!

I think their web site ... (2, Funny)

cpu_fusion (705735) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226172)

... must be running on a PocketPC. (... notes MySQL error...)

People did that on zaurus ages ago! :) (5, Informative)

pangel83 (598985) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226176)

And here you go for screenshots: http://www.its.caltech.edu/~tzer-jen/zbochs/

Re:People did that on zaurus ages ago! :) (1)

armando_wall (714879) | more than 10 years ago | (#9227168)

Dude... thanks for the link, but it's better if others can click on it:

http://www.its.caltech.edu/~tzer-jen/zbochs/ [caltech.edu] .

Oh, the laziness ;-)

win98 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9226178)

Win98 isn't that bad of an os, win98se is though. I'd go as far as saying win98se is just as bad as winME.

Windows NOT emulated (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9226181)

It's the PC that was emulated - not the operating system.

man, 3 links to pocketgamer in one story (-1, Offtopic)

jbellis (142590) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226192)

no wonder the poor site is dead!

PocketGamer Site (1)

Dugsmyname (451987) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226194)

Looks like the PocketGamer Site might be hosted on a Pocket PC as well... 38 Comments and it's already down!

Re:PocketGamer Site (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9226363)

Looks like the PocketGamer Site might be hosted on a Pocket PC as well... 38 Comments and it's already down!

HAR HAR HAR

You are teh funniestest comedian EVAR!!!1!

ive nevar seen nobodies made a joke like that befor, u be so funny?!!!!

oh nose! you made me LOL so hard i crapped my pants!!!1!!!!!%

Zaurus already had this.... in 2002 (3, Informative)

pantherace (165052) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226210)

And had quake running very rapidly after it was released.

Bochs [killefiz.de] on Zaurus Software Index.

I ran bochs (but not windows, not a large enough flash card at the time). It was slow (hey, no suprise there), & I wouldn't want to run windows, but it was possible, and didn't need some hack like increasing screen resolution (something sdl handled). Of course, with the new Zauruses, you wouldn't have to increase the resolution, either via OS hacks, or SDL scaling.

Re:Zaurus already had this.... in 2002 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9226329)

Quake ran on PocketPC long before Zaurus was even released.

Re:Zaurus already had this.... in 2002 (1)

pantherace (165052) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226597)

I said "very rapidly after it was released". I should have specified it = Zaurus, so people didn't get confused, dispite the fact that when Quake was released (1996), the Zaurus didn't exist. Quake was quickly ported to the Zaurus after the Zaurus was released, while it had already been ported to Pocket PC (which was released well before anyone heard of the idea of the Zaurus)

Happy now?

SCREENSHOT MIRROR (5, Informative)

peterprior (319967) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226218)

Mirror of the screenshots here [aber.ac.uk]

They are actual size, due to small pocketpc screen I presume..

Slashdotted... (1)

DakotaK (727197) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226221)

"Please try again by pressing the refresh button in your browser." They're not making it any easier on themselves.

Horrible site design (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9226241)

No wonder the site died that fast.

I got an error (unfortunately, I was too quick on the reload button and couldn't copy it) which showed that every included .php opened its own connection to the database (it went like, a single line saying "You can login or register" followed by two database connection errors and one different database error).

This means that probably every page opens at least 3 connections to the same database, so every slashdotter is counting as three (by RIAA logic).

There seems to have been a slight problem... (0, Offtopic)

fprog (552772) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226247)

" Warning: mysql_connect() [function.mysql-connect]: Too many connections in /home/virtual/site1/fst/var/www/html/admin/db_mysq l.php on line 40 There seems to have been a slight problem with the database. Please try again by pressing the refresh button in your browser. An E-Mail has been dispatched to our Technical Staff, who you can also contact if the problem persists. We apologise for any inconvenience. " Yes and that "slight problem" is called SLASHDOT. Enjoy! Maybe, next time, they should make a static HTML page without MySQL and use Apache rewrite to fake the PHP link? Poor website, maybe some mirrors could help!? freecache.org [freecache.org] +1 funny

dual /.ing! (0, Offtopic)

geek4ever (525253) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226266)

Warning: mysql_connect() [function.mysql-connect]: Too many connections in /home/virtual/site1/fst/var/www/html/admin/db_mysq l.php on line 40 ... An E-Mail has been dispatched to our Technical Staff, who you can also contact if the problem persists. Wow...it sends an e-mail when that happens? Looks like we're going to slashdot their e-mail server too!

uhhh (4, Informative)

ShadowRage (678728) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226268)

Pocket PC port of Bochs, a DOS emulator.

uhhh, dont you mean x86 emulator?
bochs can handle more than just dos.

Do people still use crappy WIndoze (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9226296)

This must be monopoly from M$

what's the point? (1)

grocer (718489) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226305)

I can't even get Bochs to run Win98 acceptably on a G3 900 iBook...it always hangs on boot...

On the other hand, Bochs emulates the x86 so run whatever PC OS you want...the little Linux demo they include works great on my iBook although it's so stripped down, it doesn't do much other than ls and mkdir and stuff like that...

Re:what's the point? (1)

adzoox (615327) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226426)

Virtual PC runs Win 98 VERY well - it's dismal with Win XP though. In my experience VPC is 2x the speed of Bochs if using 98.

As if Win98 didn't suck enough... (1, Insightful)

gearmonger (672422) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226310)

...on a full-sized display, now we get to use it in blazing 240x320 QVGA on a 200 MHz machine and no keyboard. Woohoo!

"Because it can be done" is actually a great reason only about 4% of the time it gets used.

Re:As if Win98 didn't suck enough... (1)

System.out.println() (755533) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226739)

Actually most new PocketPC's have 400MHz Xscales. One of the newer Toshibas even has a 640x480 (ish) screen, although I don't think this emulator would support it. That would be something really damned cool to have.

Re:As if Win98 didn't suck enough... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9226930)

How about the Casio Cassiopeia Fiva (MPC-501) PC Notebook?

http://www.epinions.com/pr-Casio_Cassiopeia_Fiva_M PC-501_PC_Notebook/display_~full_specs

6.7" TFT Active Matrix touchscreen at 800x600x16bpp (64K colors) and it came the with Microsoft Windows 98 OS back in the year 2000.

Re:As if Win98 didn't suck enough... (1)

night_flyer (453866) | more than 10 years ago | (#9227220)

Im sorry you couldnt figure out how to make win98 work for you, I run it on 3 machines and they are bulletproof

If its Bochs, you know the framerate is "awesome" (1)

smchris (464899) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226336)


I can about play Links (ORIGINAL) on my 1.7 ghz machine. I successfully set up a Win95 virtual drive but why bother? I have some DOS stuff I run command line sometimes.

Where is my personal digital hub? (1)

copponex (13876) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226382)

Seriously.

Cell phone with open hardware platform, 256MB RAM, 20GB HDD, Equiv to 500 Mhz PIII. External VGA Port, USB, and WiFi. As long as it would fit in my pocket, it could handle EVERY business function I'd need it for and I'd never be dependant on internet access for Word and Excel Docs. Get to work, plug in monitor and keyboard/mouse. Use the small screen out in the field.

It's going to suck the first time I accidentally leave a computer in the wash, though.

There's no such word as "Trialled". (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9226392)

It's "tried".

Goddess save us from the victims of public skewl.

Speaking as one of the PocketGamer webmasters... (3, Funny)

Mike Wagstaff (518609) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226459)

... I really wish I'd cleaned that HTML up!

What about Linux..? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9226539)

Shouldn't Bochs running on a Pocket PC also meen that you can run Linux on it!? I can't believe no one has said it before me...

WHY!? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9226571)

WHY THE HELL WOULD ANYONE WANT TO RUN WINDOWS!?

Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like whining...

On the Linux issue (3, Informative)

enterpriserx (777103) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226674)

Actually you can already run Linux on your favourite Pocket PCs (if there is such a thing), the hp/compaq iPAQs, generally the older Compaq H3600, H3800 and H3900 series accept it.

Unfortunately some of these (there are several) projects seem to be defunct, in any case I fail to see the reason to convert a perfectly normal PPC to a crippled handheld running linux with applications not designed for it. If you need linux, I'd go for the Sharp Zaurus, sweet machines albeit underpowered, and frankly, not NEARLY as polished.

Windows 98 emulation on run-of-the-mill PPCs such as iPAQ 3950, Toshiba e740 or Dell Axim 3xi is a bit impractical however in my opinion, since
1) low resolution
2) low functionality
3) too slow
4) did I mention low functionality?
5) expensive memory expansion (Secure Digital cards only for most iPAQs, and Compact flash for Toshiba/Dells)

I applaud the technical level at which this experiment was taken, but like the linux hacks, this is a waste of time on a practical level, unless you need to run Solitaire desktop edition...

To elaborate on speed, for those not familiar with the Pocket PC operating system (Windows Pocket PC 2002 and WMobile 2003), both are platforms based on Windows CE, 2003 being on CE.NET 4.2 and 2002 on CE 3.0; in short, 2003 is optimized for the Xscale CPUs, currently the top rated ARM-compatible cpus for handhelds, 2002 is not. Running Windows 98 in emulation mode would be a pain in 2003, much less in 2002, my 3950(PXA250, initial xscale cpu) can handle the TI-89 emulator, barely, so I'd hate to see what it would do with Windows. (gross generalization). Of course, there are faster models out there with better CPUs, PXA255 (Xscale with double membus), PXA262 (PXA255 with NAND mem 32mb) and PXA270 which hits up to 600mhz so far...In any case, to reiterate, praises to the developers

Next step: run PearPC on that emulated Windows! (1)

michaeldot (751590) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226701)

Okay, the heat death of the universe might occur before it loaded, but seeing the Mac OS X desktop appear on a palmtop would be way cool.

Re:Next step: run PearPC on that emulated Windows! (1)

enterpriserx (777103) | more than 10 years ago | (#9226766)

Eh, Bochs is a PC-targeted emulator, if you had taken care to read the posts above you'd know that Bochs emulates an x86 CPU.

Macintosh machines run non x86 cpus, such as the G3, G4 or G5 PowerPCs (Motorola and IBM respectively), in any case the differing architectures prevent this from working on the Bochs emulator, on the other hand, any other such emulation would be out of reach because of the requirements for emulation, I mean old macs can't run OS X, much less a 400mhz PDA...

You can always try PearPC (http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/). Maybe one day...

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