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Game Sites Finish Up Post-E3 Awards

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the bestest-of-the-bestest dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Most of the major game sites have put up 'Best of E3' sections, including those from Gamespot, from IGN, from GameSpy, and from 1UP . Everyone gave a different Best of Show this year, and agreed that the competition was fierce. I was happy to see mention of Yoot Saito's Odama and Namco's Katamari Damashii. Notable absences, in my opinion, included Tim Schafer's chronically late Psychonauts for Xbox. What games caught your eye? Who was the big winner this year?" T adds: Danno writes "The gang over here at GameGal.com have just put up our 2004 edition of the E3 Hall of Shame. Each year we chronicle the best of the worst in booth babes and half-naked female video game characters. We're not really offended by most of this, but it is amusing to see the lengths companies will go to catch the attention of jaded E3 attendees."

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what rush? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9236682)

Don't see no rush...

Gamegirl.com (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9236865)

more like feminazifatskankgamers.com

Tim getting his game on in the hotel room (4, Interesting)

superultra (670002) | more than 10 years ago | (#9236887)

International House of Mojo reports [mixnmojo.com] that without a publisher, Psychonauts creator Tim Schaffer had to show the game out of his hotel room. Although that sounds weird, my bet is that it was a very funny hotel room, maybe as funny as some of those Korean booths at E3 in the warehouse near the restrooms.


From the Mojo:

Wonder why there is no Psychonauts news from any other media sites? Our own Doug Tabacco on the show floor explains:

That's because Psychonauts isn't being shown on the floor. With no publisher to host them and no time or space left to secure a booth of their own, Tim is reduced to showing it out of a hotel suite. We called him and tried to set up a meeting, but he said he's totally booked up. We take that to be a good thing, since it means lots of people (hopefully some of them publishers) are seeing the game.

Thre you have it folks... You heard it here first! Exclusive E3 News coverage. Come on you know Mojo still loves you. It does.

Re:Tim getting his game on in the hotel room (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9238016)

A little cold of Microsoft to dump DoubleFine RIGHT before E3 [1up.com] . They could have at least given them one terminal to setup in. Microsoft took up as much space [e3expo.com] as EA, Activision, and another small publisher combined. Sickening.

well done GameGal (4, Funny)

real_smiff (611054) | more than 10 years ago | (#9236905)

Exposing the ridiculousness with good humour works much better than some feminist ranting. I'm a guy and find that funny.
".....let's just have the girls dance around on stage for a while.." [gamegal.com]
Exactly.. this is the kind of thing that would make me feel a plonker for going to this show.. it's not the girls that are sad, they're probably being well paid and have nothing to fear, it's the guys standing around photographing them (i realise some of those are for magazines, that's a whole other rant)... i mean come on, whack off/have sex *before* you go to E3 and maybe next year the companies can concentrate on the games... we can have an agreement sort of thing. never mind what the gamer girls think, it just makes more sense aiight guys ;)

Re:well done GameGal (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 10 years ago | (#9237329)

i mean come on, whack off/have sex *before* you go to E3 and maybe next year the companies can concentrate on the games...

Yeah, as if anyone attending E3 had a girlfriend of the non-inflatable type (and I'm not talking about Real Dolls here!).

Re:well done GameGal (1)

FreeForm Response (218015) | more than 10 years ago | (#9238219)

Hey, I have a girlfriend, you insensitive clod!

And she's a Tetris fiend, too. ;-)

Re:well done GameGal (2, Funny)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 10 years ago | (#9239451)

Imaginary girlfriends don't count, I forgot to mention that. ;)

Re:well done GameGal (1)

FreeForm Response (218015) | more than 10 years ago | (#9239741)

Damn.

J/k ;-)

Re:well done GameGal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9237529)

Exactly.. this is the kind of thing that would make me feel a plonker for going to this show.. it's not the girls that are sad, they're probably being well paid and have nothing to fear, it's the guys standing around photographing them (i realise some of those are for magazines, that's a whole other rant)... i mean come on, whack off/have sex *before* you go to E3 and maybe next year the companies can concentrate on the games... we can have an agreement sort of thing. never mind what the gamer girls think, it just makes more sense aiight guys ;)

Notice that the "girls" at E3 were never around until more women got involved in video gaming. Overall, I think it's silly just as silly as having a gaming website dedicated to some minority amount of players ranting about how important they are like girlgamer.com.

The thing appears to be a bit confused (0, Offtopic)

Magada (741361) | more than 10 years ago | (#9236998)

Quoth Mazarin: System error error: Can't call method "prepare" on an undefined value at /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.3/BookTools/Translator.pm line 20. context: ... 16: my $dbh=DatabaseConnect("translations"); 17: 18: sub Prepare{ 19: $dbh=DatabaseConnect("translations"); 20: return $dbh->prepare($_[0]) 21: or die "Couldn't prepare statement: " . $dbh->errstr; 22: } 23: 24: sub SetLanguage{ ... code stack: /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.3/BookTools/Translator.pm:20 /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.3/BookTools/Translator.pm:26 /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.3/BookTools/Translator.pm:96 /var/www/html/mazarin/index.html:3 raw error 'Nuff said, boys and girls.

For shame! (4, Funny)

Otter (3800) | more than 10 years ago | (#9237153)

The gang over here at GameGal.com have just put up our 2004 edition of the E3 Hall of Shame. Each year we chronicle the best of the worst in booth babes and half-naked female video game characters.

I applaud GameGal's bringing this horror to attention -- but only six pictures? Surely there must be more cases of exploitation about which we must be informed!

Re:For shame! (1)

Unoti (731964) | more than 10 years ago | (#9242820)

I was really looking forward to the hall of shame. But honestly the hall of shame was quite disappointing. I go to lots of tradeshows on topics far less geeky than gaming. I sincerely believe I could put together a better hall of shame from many of those.

Psychonauts (1)

tc (93768) | more than 10 years ago | (#9237534)

FYI, I suspect the chronically late Psychonauts was missing because is it also the cancelled Psychonauts.

Is GameGal ok with the Postal 2 panty brigade? (2, Informative)

cjmnews (672731) | more than 10 years ago | (#9237823)

I would think they would have a big problem with the panty brigade [ign.com] . I am surprised that it was not on their Hall of Shame. Are they OK with it or just didn't see it.

Gamespot gets Alzheimer's and forgets WoW (3, Insightful)

perrinkog (536087) | more than 10 years ago | (#9238062)

Please forgive the side of me that is about to emerge.

Their category of "Best Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game"

Winner: EverQuest II

Finalists:
Auto Assault (PC)
Star Wars Galaxies: Jump to Lightspeed (PC)
The Matrix Online (PC)
Tabula Rasa (PC)

Anyone else notice a VERY conspicuous abscense fro m this list?

World of Warcraft anyone?

Ok, got that out of my system. :)

Re:Gamespot gets Alzheimer's and forgets WoW (3, Interesting)

Hott of the World (537284) | more than 10 years ago | (#9238671)

Easy. They only nominated games that caught their attention at E3 this year. It has no bearing on the actual game, just "hey, these games really brought some hype this time!"

I've heard comments from some of the insiders at Gamespot and they've got people in WOW beta, constantly addicted, game of the year type addicted.

Its just you cant justify "Best of E3" when it was the same thing as last year.

Re:Gamespot gets Alzheimer's and forgets WoW (1)

perrinkog (536087) | more than 10 years ago | (#9239893)

I'll assist in shooting myself down (I wrote the grandparent) with a quote from the article:
"...we admit that E3 is about appearances, games that were shown at E3 last year were--by and large--less impressive to us the second time around, unless of course they've made significant strides since then. That is to say, at E3, we naturally favor never-before-seen games."

That said, yet another quote would seem to indicate that World of Warcraft should have been mentioned:
"...the games we've listed as winners and finalists represent the absolute best games of the show within their category."

So, I decided to use google as an arbiter of popularity. Google counts:
"World of Warcraft" 877,000 results.
"The Matrix Online" 203,000 results.
"Tabula Rasa" 152,000 results.
"Auto Assault" 73,700 results.
"Star Wars Galaxies: Jump to Lightspeed" 58,600 results.

Disclaimers:
The above numbers are more for fun than anything else.
WoW has had a good headstart on many of these titles.
SWG: Lightspeed is an expansion pack; however, SWG itself (an already published game) only shows 634,000 results.

Re:Gamespot gets Alzheimer's and forgets WoW (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9238702)

My only guess would be that the rest of these games are pretty new, and not many details had been released until E3, whereas WoW is in Beta as we speak, so the game sites are already pretty familiar with it. It's the same reason probably why Half Life 2, Gamespot's Game of the Show 2003, wasn't even a nominee for a single award this year. One could debate whether or not it's fair that only new games are getting awards, regardless of whether or not older games actually look better...

Most looked foward to game (1)

tryptsoft (781226) | more than 10 years ago | (#9238864)

Maybe I am just a nintendo fanboy gone mad, but did anyone else wet their pants when they saw that Zelda trailer?

Get your booth babes here! (1)

Bragg (147168) | more than 10 years ago | (#9239318)

http://www.actiontrip.com/features/e32004babes.pht ml
http://photo.thetechzone.com/showgallery.php?cat=5 30&password=
http://e32004.gamemarshal.com/album.php?album=Boot h%20Babes%20-%20Part%201

Apologies to GameGal :-p

Not only are the booths very gender-bias.. (1)

Inoshiro (71693) | more than 10 years ago | (#9239493)

They also have appaling grasp of the English language. I can understand Taito having "Train Shimulation" at TGS because, well, they're Japanese, but why do we English speakers have to endure such obvious wrongs as "Who is hair ... [gamegal.com] " when it's "whose hair"?

Surely they have the 5$ or so to pay someone to vet their signs.

Re:Not only are the booths very gender-bias.. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9240104)

Oh man, you've gone spelling/grammar nazi on us. IHBT.

gender-biased

appalling

"whose hair?"

$5

Okay now, own up to it. You're trying to come off as a booth babe, aren't you? :)

gender-bias(ed)? (2, Insightful)

Creepy (93888) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241059)

Hey - those bimbo... er, models, probably did all their own signs. If they're anything like my cousin, she can cheer, she can draw and design (she's also adept at spurting out kids, signing divorce papers, and collecting alimony and child support from four different fathers, not to mention is a grandmother at 32), but grammar and spelling - ha!

As for booth babes, is E3 mostly male? I suspect yes, so from a marketing standpoint, hiring attractive women to push your product seems like a good idea. The more skin you can show on your models, the more attention your booth will get from the mostly male audience. Most women don't want to see other women naked and most guys don't want to see other guys naked, so there is some justified repulsion from the women as the booth babes get more scantily clad. If E3 were mostly female, I have no doubt that the marketing would be reversed.

Hey - I think that IS my blonde bimbo cousin in one of those pics...

Re:gender-bias(ed)? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9241177)

Pics of your sleazy grandma cousin. NOW.

(Oh, what have I become?)

Re:gender-bias(ed)? (1)

Creepy (93888) | more than 10 years ago | (#9243268)

LOL - just what I'd need - a reason for a lawsuit for defamation and slander again, even if it is 100% fitting and deserved. I'd only post a link like that if I clear it with a lawyer, and this certainly isn't worth the effort.

As I said, I've already been in trouble for it - back in college, there was a ops guy who lamented about his 80 hour+ weeks, yet he never got anything done, so I made a web page about what he REALLY was doing using a number of cartoons (none of them lewd, but lots of implication - most people who knew him couldn't stop laughing). The page was unlinked, and had a disclaimer that it was entirely in jest, but word got around and eventually he saw it. Needless to say, he didn't find it very funny. Eventually, our boss got involved, and I was told it was unacceptable conduct by a teaching assistant and given the (blackmail) choice of destroying the page and resigning or being fired, expelled and sued for both slander and defamation (yeah, most of it probably wasn't winnable in court, but they were using scare tactics and I definitely didn't have any leverage beyond begging at that point). I eventually talked my way out of having to resign by defending my reasoning for making the joke in the first place, specifying that I never linked the page and it wasn't meant to be seen by anyone but me, and by writing a letter of apology to him, the school, and posting the apology on the former site. Apparently he must have still taken the court case through early proceedings, because my court appointed lawyer called a couple of times after that asking questions, though I never had to appear in court (I suspect it was dropped... wish they woulda told me).

That was probably the most scary interview/interrogation since I was busted for giving a page of bomb plans from the BBS version of the Anarchist Cookbook to a kid in Jr High who ended up photocopying and selling it for 25 cents a copy in the library. I had no idea it was LEGAL to possess the cookbook until the cop interrogating me told me so and said he couldn't do anything. School policy didn't have anything specifically addressing such things either (it wasn't a weapon), but an appendum was added to the school rules recommending suspension and possible expulsion for "weapons literature" (this was years before Columbine). I'm just the germ of trouble :)

Psi-Ops? Suspiciously Absent? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9241632)

I haven't seen nearly any coverage on Psi-Ops [psiopsgame.com] on any of these E3 reports... I think this is criminal! If you're lucky enough to have a demo of this game (I got it in June's OPM... think it's in OXM also), it's crazy-fun! Nice graphics, physics that rival HL2 (seriously!), and just the most fun I've had with a demo in ages.

Did nobody at E3 see this game? Am I the only one that thinks it's cool? Somewhat rhetorical- a quick scan of the GameFAQs message [gamefaqs.com] boards [gamefaqs.com] shows there are actually a lot of people that have noticed this game... so why not the press?

Just irks me that all I hear is "sequels are killing this industry", but then when there really is something innovative out there, it's totally ignored in favor of all the exact same stuff that was raved about last E3! That just seems bogus to me. Get over HL2, most of it's technology will be long-present in other games before that behemoth ever hits the streets :P

Re:Psi-Ops? Suspiciously Absent? (4, Interesting)

CheeseMonkey (677515) | more than 10 years ago | (#9242060)

Hell yeah! I'm a programmer on the Psi-Ops team, and I have been a bit bummed about the lack of coverage- particularly since everyone, press or otherwise, who saw the game at E3 seemed blown away! :/

<Plug>Well, like he said, get the demo and try for yourself :D</Plug>

Re:Psi-Ops? Suspiciously Absent? (1)

AltaMannen (568693) | more than 10 years ago | (#9243062)

Funny, I felt bombarded by Psi-Ops material on Gamespot recently.

I completely lost all interest in the game because of the ads and brown-nosed reporting on the game because of them. Seriously, who expects game sites to do major stories on Midway games anymore?

Re:Psi-Ops? Suspiciously Absent? (1)

CheeseMonkey (677515) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248124)

We've had to fight like hell (and spend a lot of money) to get that coverage- it's nearly impossible to put out new IP these days without getting drowned in "killer sequels".

And the game has earned the praise it's gotten, thank you very much.

Re:Psi-Ops? Suspiciously Absent? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9248742)

One reason we don't know about it may be because when I got to your site it won't tell me anything without installing Flash first.

I don't know if that's a Midway "FLASH ONLY!!!!" policy or if you guys have some concious decision in it, but tell your boss you should have an HTML page. You're not a Flash tech demo, you're trying to hawk your wares to the largest possible demographic.

Re:Psi-Ops? Suspiciously Absent? (1)

CheeseMonkey (677515) | more than 10 years ago | (#9249523)

Yeah, that's a damn good point... unfortunately I'm just a lowly programmer and insanely far removed from the PR process that creates the website :) (I believe the whole thing was farmed out to somebody, anyway).

There are quite a few previews out there, but all of them are based off of some old build, or the demo (which is quite old- 'round January). You might as well just spend the $4 on the demo and play it yourself, it seems silly to read a review based on a demo to me...

But anyway, I think the original point was that Psi-Ops hasn't been getting any E3 mentions at all (and I agree with it wholeheartedly- I probably search harder than anyone, and I've yet to turn up any actual show floor impressions in my searching). I'm not sure why that is.

Perhaps, as AltaMannen pointed out, it's part of the Midway curse- until this year, I would agree that besides MK:DA (which I loved) Midway has not put out a good game in years. But, if you bother to look at anything at all recent, you'd see we are on track to turn that completely around. We've released 2 games this year, and both (IMHO) are fantastic. I'm not personally a huge fan of The Suffering, just not my genre... but neither is basketball, however Ballers has become one of favorite games- particularly in a party-type situation. Both games are very different from anything Midway's put out recently... and, I daresay, anything anybody's put out, for that matter.

Psi-Ops is going to be hugely different- it provides a style of gameplay that is completely new. Telekenisis as a weapon has not been done like this before- I don't care if you played Legacy of Kain or Gallerians or whatever else you think has "done it before", you haven't experienced a play mechanic like this, period. That should at least count for something- either way, it's totally ignorant to discount a game and/or an entire company forever because they had a down period, no matter how long. Things change, companies change... particularly when they get a new CEO!

Anyway, I'm not really sure where I'm going with all of this anymore... so... yeah, sorry the website is flash-only =D

Gamespot says: Paper Mario 2 is top CRPG? (1)

rtrifts (61627) | more than 10 years ago | (#9243662)

"This was a particularly strong year for RPG's at E3", says Gamespot.

Ok. I am not going to be restrained about this at all.

This is clueless reporting and this *idiot* does not have a CLUE as to what he is talking about.

This was the worse year for RPG's in about 7 or 8 years at E3. The PC side has all but abandoned stand alone CRPG titles chasing the MMORPG prize, with a glutted market and a significant crash in 2005/6 expected. It's a friggin disaster waiting to happen.

The fact that someone could posit - with a stright face - that "Paper Mario 2" even *qualifies* as an RPG is about 5 mm away from ludicrous.

KotOR2 would have been about the only traditional CRPG title on view by the public. Dragon Age, which would otherwise qualify, was for press showings by invite only.

The rest of those claiming to be CRPGs really don't even qualify for the monniker.

So - to summarize: Gamespot's reporting on this subject borders on stupidity. Next time, just drink a lot, get plastered at the Microsoft party on Wednesday night and throw up most of Thursday. Save us the trouble of reporting on it at all.

Re:Gamespot says: Paper Mario 2 is top CRPG? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9244578)

Although I agree the PC CRPG market has all but withered away, you must be kidding to say it's truly a drought.

It's unfortunate that all of the good PC CRPG licenses have been passed on to incompetent developers like Atari and 3D0, but quite frankly that genre died in around 1995. The last stint of good PC CRPG were the Bioware/BlackIsle style point-and-clicks that you'll still see from Bioware, Obsidian, and whatever no-namer Atari contracts.

As for Japanese-style RPGs... Lets see... Final Fantasy XII, Tales of Symphonia, Baiten Kaitos, Xenosaga II. A decent showing. Not "teh best evar" but I've seen worse. Also on the horizon includes the big daddy, Dragon Quest 8.

Not to mention there are several games with strong story elements such as the sequel to The Longest Journey that promise to be appealing. We're also going to see a lot of tactical "RPG" games like Front Mission 4, Fire Emblem (Cube), and Phantom Brave. Not to mention other fringe titles like NEC's Matrix 00 for PS that's selling through the roof in Japan and (maybe?) will sell stateside. This should be a bumper crop for a typically underpopulated genre.

So yeah. Not "best evar" but you must be blind to not see all these titles. The RPG market is pretty durn ambiguous, but even in a narrow interpretation it's not as bad as it's been.

Re:Gamespot says: Paper Mario 2 is top CRPG? (1)

rtrifts (61627) | more than 10 years ago | (#9254375)

"The RPG market is pretty durn ambiguous, but even in a narrow interpretation it's not as bad as it's been."

_________________

No it's not. Only on the console side of the market has there been an ettempt to brand non RPGs as RPGs.

No PC developer does it. Those who do something akin to Diablo call an Action/RPG title exactly that - Witcher, Bard's Tale and Jade Empire ere not being held out as CRPGs. Sacred is marketed as an Action/RPG as well.

The RPG market did not die in 1995 - it went to sleep. Baldur's Gate and Falpout revived it.

And a bunch of quality developers (and publishers)will have to lose their shirts on the MMORPG glut before it returns to the PC side.

The real point is simple: is the genre so "ambiguous" as to permit inclusion of "Paper Mario 2" as an RPG?

No - and it's not even close. This is not reporting - this is repeating a marketer's spin over a kid's game.

What's next: Spyro the Dragon 4 is an CRPG now too? Blinx? Krash Cart Racing?

*puhleeze*
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