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Weblog System Features Compared

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the immovable-weblog-object dept.

Software 269

prostoalex writes "The question of the best weblogging system out there arises quite often, especially after the new licensing scheme introduced by MovableType. Here's a rather detailed breakdown of currently popular blogging and content management systems. Out of 11 software packages, 10 run on any server with variations of Perl/PHP and MySQL/PostgresSQL, and one requires Windows and .NET Framework. 4 are licensed under GPL, 3 are under BSD. Mark Pilgrim explains why licensing is suddenly important."

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269 comments

FIRST POST!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9241518)

FIRST POST! KILL GEORGE BUSH!

You see, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9241529)

This is proof positive that First Posters are terrorists.

Re:FIRST POST!!! (-1, Flamebait)

dspyder (563303) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241531)

Second... and don't say that or the FBI will be after you!

On topic: Do any of these support the Nokia 3650 Image upload API??

--D

Re:FIRST POST!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9241549)

Truly a moronic statement!

Why? (1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241550)

Are you in a hurry to bow down to Cheney?

FP (0, Flamebait)

carrett (671802) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241523)

again, not trying...

Re:FP (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9241560)

Your claim of not trying seems suspect. Perhaps you are just a master at FAILING IT!

Great site & Favs (5, Informative)

netfool (623800) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241524)

Though it's aimed more at CMS's rather than blogs, it's definatley a great place to try out multiple CMS's before installing them.

Check it out - OpenSourceCMS [opensourcecms.com]

My current favorites:
Mambo [mamboserver.com]
Wordpress [wordpress.org]
E107 [e107.org]
and last but not least Geeklog [geeklog.net]

dancing (1)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241608)

For being a home for nerds there are a lot of products talked about with dancing names. Just look at Mambo and Samba.

Re:dancing (1)

carlos_benj (140796) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241858)

Actually, an uber-geek friend of mine is into ballroom dancing. I've even met geeks who were into automechanics and sports! Egad!

Re:Great site & Favs (3, Informative)

millette (56354) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241698)

Also check out CMS Québec [cms-quebec.com] , the Oscom matrix [oscom.org] and the CMS matrix [cmsmatrix.org] - mostly for CMSes, but blogs often fit that category too.

Also, side-by-side CMS comparison matrix (5, Informative)

Brent Nordquist (11533) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241720)

at The CMS Matrix [cmsmatrix.org] ; you can pick up to 10 you want to compare.

Re:Great site & Favs (2, Informative)

an_mo (175299) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241855)

shameless plug of my favorite one:
xaraya [xaraya.com]

Re:Great site & Favs (2, Insightful)

Black Perl (12686) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241970)

Actually, OpenSourceCMS is not a very good site. First, you can't say it's unbiased--it only has PHP. There are many great CMS apps that are not PHP. Second, what it calls CMS are in many cases actually portals or weblogs, which makes the site a bit of a misnomer.

The sites mentioned in the other responses (OSCOM and CMSMatrix) are better.

You Missed the BEST CMS out there (4, Informative)

ScurvyDawg (98220) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241530)


GeekLog [geeklog.net] is the best and most secure PHP CMS out there.
On top of this it is easy to use and setup.

How you missed GeekLog I will never know.

Re:You Missed the BEST CMS out there (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9241793)

if it was the best it would be integrated already with vbulletin by someone.

Re:You Missed the BEST CMS out there (1)

OverlordQ (264228) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241813)

Because he was looking for more blogish style software not a full fledged PHPNuke-look-alive.

Re:You Missed the BEST CMS out there (5, Informative)

Doctor Crumb (737936) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241818)

Geeklog is great, but it is seriously lacking protection against comment spam. I've made a patch to require a delay [jess2.net] before submitting a comment. I would love to have some other protections as well, but haven't needed to code up blacklists or anything yet. One neat suggestion was to disallow anonymous comments that had more than 2 links in them.

Re:You Missed the BEST CMS out there (3, Informative)

ScurvyDawg (98220) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241917)

There are a number of ways you can deal with the comment spam. The simplest is change the word comment to something else in your language file. This makes it tough for robots to find you. Another is to install the IP Ban hack by the fellow from Pigstye.

I don't see a few comments as a serious issue when they are easily dealt with.

Within your config.php there is already the ability to have a speedlimit for comments, so I don't know why you would make a hack for it.

Thanks Slashdot! (-1, Offtopic)

Throtex (708974) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241532)

I was about to do some research on this subject, but apparently it's been done for me. I feel like the kid in class who put off his homework long enough for the teacher to give away all the answers. :)

The Best Webloging system is here. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9241546)

Some of my clan mates came up with an awesome blogging service. check it out here [kingsofchaos.com] at out clan's website. Just click on the number to get through. It's insanely awesome and well designed. If you have ever blogged, or are interested in it, you must see it. It will allow you to autoupdate your blog from a cell phone. It's insane.

Mod Parent Down, Link Is Offtopic (0)

shadowcabbit (466253) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241615)

Leads to his Kings of Chaos recruitment page. No blogging software there at all.

LIAR! MOD GRANDPARENT UP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9241648)

Parent is a TROLL and a part of ANTI-SLASH. He is just trying to mess slashdot up! Click the link and see for yourself!

Re:Mod Parent Down, Link Is Offtopic (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9241678)

You have to click the blogging link after pressing the button you n00b! Learn how to use a web browser before posting this garbage.

YOU HAVE TO CLICK THE BLOGGING LINK! STUPID! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9241699)

You just have to click the link on the side after the number dumbass. I can't believe the mods modded you up. LOOK BEFORE MODDING.

MOD PARENT UP!!! AWESOME BLOGGING TOOL! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9241617)

MOD PARENT UP! I use the Kings Of Chaos Blogging software all the time. It's so much better than live journal

Re:The Best Webloging system is slashdotted here. (3, Funny)

eltoyoboyo (750015) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241620)

That $3.95 a month for 1GB of capped data transfer seemed like such a bargain at the time....

Re:The Best Webloging system is slashdotted here. (0, Offtopic)

Scutter (18425) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241688)

Shave every day and you'll always look keen.

Holy carp! I used to have that on a 45 RPM when I was a kid! I didn't know anyone else had ever heard of it.

Write your own (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9241554)

you'll learn a lot, AND nobody can yank the carpet out from under you.

Making a weblog on software that's not GPL'ed is a little like being a sharecropper.

CityDesk (4, Interesting)

tomblackwell (6196) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241555)

You can also manage a site quite nicely with CityDesk [fogcreek.com] , by Fog Creek. The owner, Joel Spolsky, is an interesting guy who has been the subject of some debate on Slashdot over the years.

Whatever your opinion of him, he makes good software.

Re:CityDesk (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9241732)

For $299 it better be good. It better come with a free whore for that much money.

Licenses make a difference! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9241595)

Especially when you are talking about FOSS software. Read here [gnu.org] for some more reasons why licenses make a difference for authors and users alike.

MOD PARENT DOWN-GOATSE (0, Offtopic)

The_Mystic_For_Real (766020) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241727)

The link in the parent post redirects to the infamous goatse.cx image. Fortunately I managed to read the end of the url before clicking.

Re:MOD PARENT DOWN-GOATSE (0, Offtopic)

Red Alastor (742410) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241874)

In fact, the link is : http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-fr eedom.html?op=redirect&url=http://goat.cx/ It can't link to goatse.cx since it ends by http://goat.cx/ (no se). Mozilla go directly to the FSF page and don't care for the extra bit. The link is stupid but not harmful but I support the motion to mod down.

Re:MOD PARENT DOWN-GOATSE (-1, Offtopic)

spiny (87740) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241914)

you are aware that goat.cx is the new home of goatse.cx ?

my own? (3, Interesting)

ferrocene (203243) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241597)

Seriously, have any other /.'ers created their own system? Sure, mine sucks as I just used it to learn php, but it's still cool to programmatically create tables from a flat text file somewhere and append a date.

Re:my own? (5, Funny)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241636)

Why, when I was your age, we wrote static HTML pages! None of this fancy-schmancy dynamic drek! When we wanted to update our weblog we would open up the HTML file and put the text right in there! And we liked it!

Re:my own? (1, Funny)

The Angry Mick (632931) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241986)

That's nothing. Back in my day we didn't have them fancy modem thingies. We sent the site raw binary data through the telegraph. Sure it took awhile to get anything worth reading, but damn, weren't we were satisfied just knowing we'd accomplished something . . .

Re:my own? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9241662)

http://www.angelinecms.org [angelinecms.org] is my creation - i started it too to learn php but i somehow managed to do pretty decent & secure content management system. couple commercial sites too running over it :)

Re:my own? (1)

killdashnine (651759) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241731)

Those of us over at ZZZ Online [zzz.com.ru] have been developing our own CMS after doing a similar review of popular systems. I've tinkered with LiveJournal, Moveable Type, Greymatter, and even pMachine and found each of them to be somehow lacking when you really want to make a "hands off" kind of site.

We're trying to steer away from simple blogging though as we think that collaboration reader-focused content is much more important than the mindless banter that some people like to fill their ISP's servers with.

Re:my own? (2, Interesting)

Simon (S2) (600188) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241734)

Seriously, have any other /.'ers created their own system?

Yes, I did. A si [4k1r4.ath.cx] mple gallery script I took from somewhere on the net and modified it to fit my needs. There is a cron job launching a perl script that downloads mails from a mailbox and puts the attachments on the gallery and the body of the mail under the image on the web page.
Very simple, but allows me to blog from my mobile phone.

Re:my own? (1)

ferrocene (203243) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241939)

wow, that's very cool. I'm jealous! I have some work to do now!

Phone updates...*shakes head*, why didn't I think of that.

Let the predictable comments begin (5, Funny)

L. VeGas (580015) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241607)

"The best weblogging system is one that doesn't let lame people talk about themselves. Search enginges should ignore them too."

"Hey don't be so stuck up. I blog for fun. If you don't want to read it, don't. Besides, lots of people like reading about me massaging my mom's feet."

Re:Let the predictable comments begin (0, Troll)

KingOfBLASH (620432) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241641)

You forgot: "Imagine a beowolf cluster of weblogs"

Site Mirror (2, Informative)

karmatic (776420) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241609)

Although there aren't any big images, here is a mirror in case something should happen to the site:

Mirror [t28.net] .

Persionally, I like Serendipity - the BSD License is about as permissive as you can get.

phpBB Blog and phpBB Fetch All (3, Informative)

Anthony Boyd (242971) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241651)

If you run a phpBB forum, you can grab my add-on phpBB Blog [outshine.com] to turn a forum into a blog. Also, I have a beta [outshine.com] available of the next release. I'd love input.

Also, since this is the Open Source world where cooperation is welcomed, I thought I'd mention that phpBB Fetch All [sourceforge.net] is a blog system that I didn't know about when I made phpBB Blog. phpBB Fetch All is superior to my system, although it is also bigger and more complicated. But it sure looks good.

Banned Word! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9241655)

Isnt Blog supposed to be one of the banned words of 2004? Yet it seems to be getting more popular, and equally more annoying.

If people want to put up the rants/raves of their daily life to make themselves feel better for the day that is fine by me, just PLEASE name it something else!!

As long as they don't talk about the "blogosphere" (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9241786)

I will not have to kick their asses.

Wordpress (1, Redundant)

antarctican (301636) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241657)

They're missing the one I use and love (and have no stake in, so this isn't astroturfing....), Wordpress.

http://wordpress.org/ [wordpress.org]

Alas the website seems to be down right now.... but it's good, really! I've even been able to hack it a bit to use it as an entire website content management system. Example here [bcmdm.ca] .

Re:Wordpress (0, Offtopic)

chrisgeleven (514645) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241685)

They aren't missing it. Scroll all the way to the right of the window and WordPress is the last on the list.

I agree with you, WordPress is by far the easiest, most expandable, and best blogging software out there. I absolutely love it.

Re:Wordpress (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9241692)

Have you forgotten how to scroll right or does your intarweb not download enough hours for you?

Re:Wordpress (1, Redundant)

antarctican (301636) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241694)

My bad... ignore that... my window was too small, forgot to scroll right. ;)

Re:Wordpress (1)

iabervon (1971) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241972)

If you use a piece of GPL software, you have some stake in it, if only that you probably don't want everyone else to lose interest in it while you want to keep using it. Not that there's anything wrong with this, but...

Where's e107? (2, Informative)

bofkentucky (555107) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241674)

Easy to use/set-up, GPL license, and good (not perfect) XHTML strict compliance. Check it out [e107.org] if you have access to php/mysql

Chart of features only (3, Insightful)

Octagon Most (522688) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241677)

This "rather detailed breakdown" is a nice comparison of features, but hardly answers the question of which package is the best. The chart itself says that it "displays attributes of different user-installed blog software packages side-by-side for comparison." There's nothing about usability or other subjective criteria. It is a comprehensive collection of information though. I guess that's good for some people but I bet plenty want a comparison of how easy/flexible they are to use and maintain. Personally I would also like to see a comparison to the hosted services like Blogger.

As I've said before, if accumulation of features were all that mattered, we'd all love Microsoft Office [microsoft.com] .

LiveJournal (5, Informative)

lostchicken (226656) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241680)

The code that runs LiveJournal [livejournal.org] is open source. It's not that much of a pain to deploy, and when it's working, it's the most powerful I've seen. Many stand alone clients for posting, all kinds of things. Set one up, use it as your own weblog, host your friends' weblogs.

Re:LiveJournal (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9241714)

LiveJournal is probably the easiest of all because it only takes 2 lines of code to get it embedded into your website.

Everything else is taken care of by the LJ servers.

And the interface is so much easier to use.

Re:LiveJournal (2, Informative)

lostchicken (226656) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241983)

Yes, you can use the LJ servers, but what I did was actually be the LJ servers. My weblog runs the same software as they do, but I'm not tied to them in any way. Yes, it's total overkill, but I'm crazy like that.

What about Forum software? (1)

DoomHaven (70347) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241706)

Weblog software is nice and all, but what about software for forums/boards? The only company I know is Invision [invisionboard.com] with their "Invision Power Board" software. Is there any similiar or superior software?

Re:What about Forum software? (1)

Daniel_Staal (609844) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241752)

How about Slash [slashcode.com] ? It runs the little site you are on right now... (There are others too. Take a good look through Google.)

WordPress.org (2, Informative)

saxmatt (320581) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241736)

Sorry about the WordPress.org site guys, I'm doing my best to bring it up ASAP.

Re:WordPress.org (1)

saxmatt (320581) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241775)

I forgot the helpful link:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/cafelog/

That's our project on SF, you can download everything from there.

I didn't like any of them... (2, Informative)

DrJonesAC2 (652108) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241744)

.. so I wrote my own ;)

Good timing (3, Informative)

image (13487) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241745)

Just this weekend I decided to move my own personal site [unto.net] over to a CMS/Blog system to make updating it even easier. I spent a while doing similar research, and ultimately ended up chosing Bloxsom [blosxom.com] as the right tool for my needs [unto.net] . It took me only 15 minutes to set everything up, and only a few more hours to write my first plug-in [unto.net] . Blosxom probably isn't the right tool for most applications, but for a personal site it met my needs precisely. In fact, I even migrated another site off of Moveable Type that same weekend.

Again, I documented the (rather brief) decision making process here [unto.net] .

Diveintomark.org (1)

authenticgeek (706168) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241761)

The last link (to diveintomark.org) is now hosed but he posted another article after his 'Freedom-0' article which adds to the original article. He states in the first that all non-free software eventually leads nowhere but then explains his opinion further (with the admission that he uses plenty of non-free software as well) in his newer article. Also, I agree with the comment that it's a fairly limited comparison and really nothing you should base a professional decision off of. You have to experience the community and the CMS before you commit to it, in my opinion.

Any CMS's oriented towards file exchange? (1)

swb (14022) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241765)

Some of the ones I've looked into (like phpNuke and Geeklog) have download sections, but none are typically oriented towards this.

Are there any like this? I'm thinking basic (.htpasswd) type authentication and a simple file layout.

Have you tried? (2, Funny)

Hal The Computer (674045) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241941)

A nice google search should find you what you want.
Try:

"d00d, l337 WaR3z" + download

ah yes, learn from the masters at exchanging large files

Wow, what could be more crucially important... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9241776)

...than software that enables fools to yammer in public about how their puppy shat on the floor TWICE today instead of only once?

Can somebody explain to me why "bloggers" aren't just shot on sight? Given that "blogging" is indicative of profound, incurable brain damage roughly equivalent to American citizenship and other similar forms of animalistic imbecility, it seems only natural that we should try to clean up the gene pool by killing them off as rapidly as possible.

Why just blog? (2, Insightful)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241779)

There are more kind of things one could want to publish, even from the personal point of view, that don't fit very well in the blog approach. You have wiki pages, discussion forums, tabular information, file or image galleries, and a lot more ways to store and manage "content" in very different ways.

Maybe is not yet perfect, but i like TikiWiki [tikiwiki.org] because it have all in one single package (enabling some sort of integration between features, unified security, etc).

CMS Specifically for Writers? (2, Interesting)

Landaras (159892) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241783)

Is anyone aware of CMS's designed specifically for writers (or adaptable to them)? Or perhaps what I envision a Content Management System doing is different from what others are doing.

Specifically what I am in the process of coding (poorly) is a system that will allow me to manage and elegantly present information about the various writing I've done. This information would be metadata such as Date Written, Themes, Similar Pieces, Inspiration, etc...

What I have now on my personal site is pretty rudimentary. (example [fallinggrace.com] )

I just have the texts themselves as individual HTML files in a separate directory, while the metadata is in a MySQL database that is queried through PHP.

Thoughts, links, direction, or experiences to share?

- Neil Wehneman

Re:CMS Specifically for Writers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9241860)

check out vbportal.com...it will let you copy the html into one text area and create a article page for you. On top of that, because it's an addon to vbulletin, you can do subscriptions if you desired as subscriptions, and payment options are built right into vbulletin.

Drupal (1)

kbahey (102895) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241971)

Take a look at Drupal [drupal.org] .

It has two features that could be helpful to you:

  • Book nodes: which provide automatic navigation to chapters/pages of a book.
  • Flex node module: which allows you to define custom nodes with custom fields (so you could add date written, blah)

It is a very capable CMS system, and I highly recommend it.

blosxom (1)

alexc (37361) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241784)

i have always found blosxom just the easist to setup. I love the fact that i don't need run a database. plus i could use vi to blog :)

The best blogging "system?" Please. (1, Flamebait)

LesPaul75 (571752) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241791)

It's amazing that people will actually pay for software that does nothing more than blog. Anyone ever heard of Notepad (or vi)? It has pretty much all the features of every popular blogging tool out there, and is probably much easier to use.

I'm not being sarcastic... What's a blog? A bunch of text with fonts and an IMG tag here or there. If you can't figure out the insanely complex HTML required for that, then your blog probably isn't very interesting, anyway.

And, for the super, uber-elite coders, you could write about three lines of CGI to handle all that intense formatting for you. Or just download one of the bazillion free scripts to do it. If you pay for blogging software, you are a sucker. But I'll sell you my blogging "system" if the price is right.

Re:The best blogging "system?" Please. (2)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241826)

Uhm, no, you lose. You clearly don't know what blog software does. It is NOT the same as an HTML editor, which is what you seem to think.

3 lines of CGI isn't going to handle multiple weblogs, multiple authors with accounts & permissions, user accounts, pinging & trackbacks, RSS/Atom feeds, etc.

Re:The best blogging "system?" Please. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9241827)

Almost all of them far more then just blog. VbPortal,postnuke,phpnuke for instance have many free addons such as weather, articles, and plenty more extending the functionality. On top of that it's template driven and integrated into vbulletin, one of the most popular forum packages around. You idiots are all calling it blogging software when really they are content management systems. If you can write one so easily, do it. Must be a reason most people DON'T do it.

Re:The best blogging "system?" Please. (2, Informative)

Gumber (17306) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241877)

With a decent blogging tool I can post a link to a page with a text excerpt and some brief commentary with minimal effort:

1. Select text
2. Click blogging bookmarklet.
3. Add any comments
4. Click the post button

I can't do that with notepad. Of course, I can do it with free software.

Other things that take more work with notepad.
1. Cycling stuff off my front page.
2. Creating archive pages.
3. Creating navigation by topic
4. Keeping a consistent template for all my blog pages
5. Syndicating blog content in RSS and/or other formats.

Re:The best blogging "system?" Please. (4, Insightful)

WombatControl (74685) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241916)

Are you nuts?

You try manually managing 4,000 entries without going completely bonkers - including permalinks, comments, and extended entries. The whole point of blog software is that you have a system that manages permalinks, organizes information, allows for open exchange, etc. Those are all things that require some kind of infrastructure. Blogging software is really just a specialized form of CMS, and anyone who argues that sites consisting of thousands of pages doesn't need some form of content management and control is quite frankly a complete and utter lunatic.

Or to take your logic, who needs a computer? What is a computer? A device that just does mathematical calculations. If you can't figure out insanely complex matrix operations and vector math, then your're probably not very smart anyway. All those super-elite people can use a slide rule to handle all the intense computation for them. If you pay for computers, you're a sucker...

Install challenge? (1)

H310iSe (249662) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241795)

I just finished my first WordPress install (win2ksrv) and it was a breeze. Only two problems I've had, the CSS seems to get lost occasionally (the page displays w/o any formatting, but I'm sure it'l be easy to solve, I screwed around w/ the file system and probably broke something) and the default display of the comments is a little hard to read (but I've not yet started playing around with other display templates).

I wish the comparison gave a ranking of setup complexity, or a general 'ease of maintenance' score ... from my experience I'd give WordPress and 8 or 9 out of 10 in both categories.

Wordpress looks good, except the database... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9241800)

It looks like Wordpress is the way to go except that it is quite tied to MySQL. I know that MySQL is popular, but for those of us who have already built our sites on Postgres, it is a bit of a pain to switch. Fortunately there are 10 others to choose from in that article; hopefully some of them will suport PG.

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WAP porn [steamymobile.com]

Why Licensing is Needed Mirror (1)

karmatic (776420) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241814)

The "Why Licensing is Needed" mirror is genuinely slow - Here's a mirror [t28.net]
Note: The first couple to use it will be slow, but it will speed up really fast afterwards.

The best one I had (2, Interesting)

jb.hl.com (782137) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241816)

...I wrote myself.

Two PHP scripts, plus an additional, .htpasswd protected one to post stuff. It worked a charm, had multiple categories, allowed comment posting...it took me about two hours to do, and even better it allowed me to have the site exactly the way I wanted it, and not the way it would fit around the CMS. It's also a great way to learn how to code. It was fast and reliable. However, I'm just using raw HTML now: only one author, and I'm sitting at the server, so why not? And if it's good enough for Maddox [xmission.com] it's good enough for me :)

slashdot's journal (3, Informative)

cheese_wallet (88279) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241820)

I don't use it myself, but it seems that slashot's journal is essentially a free blog.

Re:slashdot's journal (2, Informative)

cheese_wallet (88279) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241867)

Actually I thought I would give the journal a try. have a look [slashdot.org] if you are bored.

what, no mention about Drupal? (1)

halfelven (207781) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241824)

That's odd, since Drupal [drupal.org] is a strong contender in the arena of blogger software. Technically it's more than just a blogger, but it's still a full-featured blogging software.

Drupal (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9241909)

After a long months of searching and attempting to find the right CMS software I finally found Drupal, and find it to be the best by far of all those I looked at.

The CMSes that I looked at are Slash, PHPSlash, Mambo (which BTW, is very good but not for community weblogs like slashdot), PHPNuke, and PostNuke.

I have found Drupal to be technically superior to all of them. But what makes it even more attractive to me is the fact that the community developing it is very open, active, and polite. There is a lot of communication from Dries (the guy who started the project) as well as the rest of the developers. New versions come out frequently.

Drupal is so much better than PostNuke, which is what I had been using to run my site for months. The postnuke community has no central disscussion board it seems, as well as no direction. It almost seemed dead when I abondoned it.

Movable Type has a fair license... (4, Insightful)

telbij (465356) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241825)

All these Movable Type bloggers whining about the new licensing scheme is getting a little old. Sure I agree that the new licensing move is stupid (considering the quality of the product), but they have every right to go and shoot themselves in the foot if they want.

As far as the individual blogger is concerned, the lesson is this: use a tool that will allow you to migrate your data. Tools will continue to advance, and you can always redesign, but your archives the only irreplaceable part of the whole equation. In the case of Movable Type, you are already ahead of the game because every other blogging tool in existence imports MT data.

Why you migrate is a non-issue. You could just as easily be forced to abandon a GPLed package because it is no longer being upgraded and you need the latest features. Even if you write your own CMS, you still run the risk of not having time to add the features you need! Paying a license fee is just one of many considerations you need to make when picking a CMS.

about to switch (2, Insightful)

trippin_efnet (713714) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241828)

i currently use movable type, and while i like it, and think its fairly easy to use.. i have to agree with earlier posters here, its kind of silly to use any kind of cms that is not open source.

ive been looking around for a while now and it seems that wordpress is the most complete package with a good community behind it. the community behind it is important because if you ever run into any kinds of problems, the more people supporting it the better. i guess it is just as important as it is to have a good community behind any kind of open source software.

if i am incorrect and there are bigger communities behind any of the other complete gpl'd packages, please let me know, maybe i missed something.

GPL misconception (2, Insightful)

Pretzalzz (577309) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241834)

Mark Pilgrim:
Regardless, GPL software has the restrictions that it has, but it can never become more restrictive. An upgrade can't take away freedoms that I enjoyed with an older version.
This is simply not true. Any license can be changed with the consent of all the copyright holders. With GPL software like the kernel, this is simply infeasible due to the large number of contributors. But if all of the copyright is controlled by a single company, this is trivial. The community can always fork from the last GPL release, but the community could also continue to use Movable Type pre3.0 plus [increasingly complex] patches. If they can't than they never had any freedom in the first place, regardless an upgrade didn't take away freedoms[except as could also happen if the software were GPL].

You have the misconception.. (1)

iamsure (66666) | more than 10 years ago | (#9242019)

It is true - you cannot take away that freedom.

As soon as I download a GPL'd release, I can fork from that day on, regardless of any changes you choose to make.

MT pre-3 didn't allow you the same rights the GPL does, so no, its not the same either. :)

Why WordPress Is Poised To Take Over (5, Insightful)

WombatControl (74685) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241836)

I've had a site running on MT for the past two years, with nearly a year's worth of Blogger entries before that. About 4,000 individual entries and over 6,000 comments dating back over three years. One would think that migrating a site of that size would be a royal pain in the ass.

WordPress imported the whole thing in a matter of minutes. It's easier to upgrade from MT2.6 to WordPress than it is from MT 2.6 to MT 3.0.

WordPress is fortunate to have hit its stride just as the MT licensing brewhaha was hitting. WP 1.2 has all the features of MT, runs faster, and is completely open source and GPL licensed. It's a bit of a paradigm shift from MT - you have to get used to a dynamically-run system rather than static templates, but once you grasp the power it brings it offers a lot of new potential for blog development. Plus, there are a lot of talented hackers who have been turned off by MT licensing and will be developing WP plugins instead. WP even has features that MT doesn't - for instance automated link management. That alone makes it worth the upgrade.

Plus, future versions will support multiple blogs under one interface, some more commenting controls, and other features. I'd expect as WordPress captures marketshare the development of new core features and plugins will increase as well.

That's a big selling point - even if the WP developers wanted to pull the rug out under free users like Six Apart did, they couldn't. WordPress is GPL software, meaning freedom is but a fork away. Mark Pilgrim's piece does an excellent job of detailing why that freedom is so important. It's another reminder of why open source software is better than proprietary software in terms of flexibility and licensing.

Another one (1)

CapnRob (137862) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241851)

This one's commercial, but it's easier to cope with than the other ones I've got experience with - InkNoise.com 's offering is more of a service than a package you can install, but it has pretty good configuration tools, and it's easy enough for the Aunt Tilly crowd to use.

Need a row for packages available (1)

daves (23318) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241876)

Which ones have rpm and deb files generally available?

Scoop? Slashcode? (4, Insightful)

MAXOMENOS (9802) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241908)

I'm a little surprised that Scoop and Slashcode aren't being considered for blogging software. They're a little complex maybe, but they've been used for blogging pretty successfully. For example: DailyKos [dailykos.com] is a pretty successful 'blog, and it does very well on Scoop [kuro5hin.org] (which runs Kuro5hin [kuro5hin.org] ). Beastbay used to run Slashcode.

Pivot (3, Informative)

verloren (523497) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241926)

Switched from Blogger to Pivot last week, and so far it's working well. The key attractions for me were greater control and the minimal server requirements (PHP is about it). It works great, there are some really nice touches in there, and it's being actively developed.

Cheers, Paul

Slash (1)

pipingguy (566974) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241934)


Is Slash CMS or blogging software?

Perfect Timing (5, Informative)

Salamander (33735) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241946)

Wouldn't you know it? I just spent much of the weekend converting my site from my own homegrown weblog codebase to pMachine. Here's the new version [pl.atyp.us] (with an entry about the change), and the old version [pl.atyp.us] for comparison. According to the table, b2evolution and WordPress would be equally good fits, perhaps even slightly better because they support assigning an entry to multiple categories like my old code but unlike pMachine Free, but when I tried them all out at opensourceCMS [opensourcecms.com] that really wasn't the case. I strongly recommend that you check out candidates there, because a lot of the small things make a difference. Here are some examples:

  • What kinds of markup is allowed in posts? In comments? Is it plain HTML, or a stripped-down square-bracketed subset like bbCode, or both, or neither? Which are you comfortable with? How about your users who leave comments? If it's real HTML, how are various cross-site scripting and other exploits prevented?
  • Are commenters allowed to register so they can have persistent profiles? Are they forced to register? Either/or?
  • Does the post entry format allow things like saving drafts, posting to the future, setting expiration dates?
  • Does the system have things like time offsets (between where you are and where your site is hosted)? Are the paths that it uses configurable, so you can make it work with different directory structures? How "tunable" are things in general? This can be a huge headache if you get halfway into your transition and you find something that just won't work properly in your environment without hacking the code.
  • Do you really like the way the templating system works? You really won't know until you try some customization, so fiddle a bit with the layout. Move stuff around, add links to other parts of your site, etc.
  • If you're converting from another system, are there automatic conversion tools? How well do they really work? Again, you have to try to see, and not just on opensourcecms either. If there are no converters, how hard would it be to write one? Does the database schema (and/or file layout) make sense to you? Is it similar conceptually to what you have now? Does it require complex relationships between tables/fields that would be hard to maintain as you suck in your old content? Is there any information in your old content that there's no place for?

These sorts of things, none of which are covered in a mere checklist, really matter when you actually take the plunge. Trying stuff out on opensourcecms is a great first step, but then you should actually download the real thing and really try to run a test version of your own site on it for at least an hour or so, to see if you can truly tweak it to your liking. Only then will you be able to make a decision that will really satisfy you.

Commect sections (2, Insightful)

Mc_Anthony (181237) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241951)

One weak aspect I find in the blogs I like to visit is they almost all have poor, clunky comment sections. Take littlegreenfoorballs.com for example.

I'm my opinion, the slashdot comment area is very clunky and would love it they ditch their code for a modern PHP/SQL forum...

PHP-Nuke? (1)

killdashnine (651759) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241963)

This is a nice comparison for would-be bloggers, but I'm honestly suprised that PHP-Nuke wasn't mentioned. For a relatively easy to setup CMS, PHP-Nuke [phpnuke.org] has come a long way ...

Some would say, though, that "blogging is dead" or at least experiencing the "long slow slide of weblogs into irrelevance [reinvented.net] ". My hope for anyone wanting to set up their own blog is that they find something useful to write about or turn instead to good 'ol pen and paper whilst they ponder the stealing their neighbor's cat (as get read often on Unscrewed [techtv.com] at TechTV).

Keep it simple and stupid (2, Informative)

chrysalis (50680) | more than 10 years ago | (#9241996)

The most popular weblog site in french is Skyblog [skyblog.com] .

It has almost no feature listed in this article. People can just write text, and add an optional picture to every text. The comment system is also extremely basic, with even no threading support.

So why is it so popular, moreover there are plenty of featureful competitors?

Probably because it's minimal, so it's trivial to understand. Weblogs are for people who don't want to learn anything, just publish.

And even Blogger is way too complicated for the average user IMHO.

Also, with a weblog, you just write the text and some script will automagically create the code. So why not make the weblogs produce correct, accessible documents ?

The usual complain of web site designers when you talk them about accessibility is "oh, well... too complicated to implement, I prefer Dreamweaver-made HTML".

With a weblog engine, once templates are properly designed, making the documents accessibles to blind users could be trivial. This is, IMHO, the main point of weblogs, CMS, etc.

But out of every weblog software compared in this document, I can see only once that produces accessible, XHTML-conformant pages : bBlog.

Why? Useless features are fun, but it would be nice to also focus on what a weblog could really bring over traditional sites.
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