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GPS vs. Galileo; Where Are They Headed?

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the either-way-i-need-a-foil-hat dept.

Space 330

ben_ writes "This keynote speech from the recent European Navigation Conference talks about the history between the US military's GPS and the proposed EU Galileo system, as well as where they're both going. Interested in how you know where you are and what's going to happen to those satellites?"

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(GNAA)Zeikfried (782454) | more than 10 years ago | (#9247809)

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Taco vs Anal beads; Humanity loses? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9248186)


I still can't believe what happened to me.
December 25th 1999 is a day I will never forget.
That is the day my mother raped me for the first time.
(Merry fucking Christmas you bitch!)
I mean it was just cruel and sick and nasty.
There is no excuse, no rational explanation for her behavior.
It wasn't just that she raped me, it was how she did it, the utterly despicable way she went about it.
I guess I'm getting ahead of myself a little.
To understand you have to go back a year to the events just before Christmas 1998.
Let me start at the beginning.
My dad died when I was 14.
My mom and I struggled to put ourselves back together.
For 2 years we leaned on each other for support, because we had nobody else.
My mom is really young; she had me when she was still in high school.
In some ways she was more like a big sister or best friend to me than a mom.
We laughed and played together, had tickle fights, and talked for hours.
Sometimes she would just hang out in my room and read or watch tv.
I guess on some level I must have loved her in a romantic way for a long time.
I just did not KNOW it until I saw her pictures.
I found a crate in our attic with around 20 old Penthouse magazines.
Upon closer inspection I realized the centerfold was my mom!
The date on the mag was about a year after I was born.
She was the same age then, that I am now.
As I looked at this beautiful, big titted, blonde teenager, I felt myself get rock hard.
Page after page of my mom's mouth watering tits, bald pussy, and wicked little smile made me want to fuck her.
But it was her ass, her fat, plump, juicy, adorable ass that sealed her fate.
Have it.
I fantasized about licking it, sticking my face as far inside it as I could, and just sniffing it, sleeping, warm and safe and secure with my lips pressed against it.
I wanted to suck her ass-meat, to make her cum and pant and scream my name.
But most of all I wanted to fuck my mom's sweet ass hard.
To peel it open and hold her down and pound it, to ram it and rip it open.
A small part of me wanted to hear her whimper, and sniffle and beg - just a little.
For a while I became obsessed with Susan.
I loved her yes, but I also wanted to utterly dominate her.
I guess I kind of lost control and sort of seduced and pressured my mom into giving up her ass to me, if I agreed not to fuck her pussy.
At the time I thought that was the greatest night of my life.
I convinced her to let me take her out for a special dinner at the Paladin Club, and got her drunk.
We even made out, did a little dirty dancing, and groped each other.
But when we got home, she refused to have sex with me.
I had to persuade her, to explain that if she did not give herself to me I would just rape her anyway.
Finally we made a deal.
Consensual Anal sex, for a guarantee that I would leave her cunt alone.
Clearly she did not like it, but she did (reluctantly) agree.
Susan let me fuck her ass, helped me tear her up.
Her butt juice was so warm and wet, and tangy.
She grunted and squealed so prettily, in such a lady-like manner that I fell even deeper in love with my mom.
That was our first time together, and I thought the beginning of a special, tender love.
In the months that followed my mother withdrew from me.
She claimed that I had raped her!
That our love was not consensual.
I felt really bad about the misunderstanding, and did everything I could to repair our relationship.
As 1999 rolled along I thought that I had.
Boy was I wrong.
Susan somehow found out about my alter ego, Jaz1701, the rape Author.
She accessed my WEBTV account and read my e-mails from Readers, and visited the numerous free sites that I post stories to.
I had written about our true love and how I had fucked her sweet ass during Christmas of 1998.
I guess the whole issue of rape and incest has been on my mind a lot this year.
Jaz has written several stories about it.
I was thinking about my mom the whole time.
Stories like "Rape Confessional, Rape Betrayal #7, Sister Betrayed, and How Much Do You Love Your Wife" were all inspired by the events in my real life, with mom.
But when she read them she got really mad.
So mad that she decided to rape me.
Let's review, ok I pressured her into having consensual sex.
She then lies to me, reads my personal e-mail, seduces me, drugs me, dresses me in women's underwear, takes pictures of me, blackmails me, humiliates me - oh yeah and rapes my ass with a giant double headed dildo!
It's not fair, she is sick!
I mean shit, what kind of mother would do that to her only child?
I made mistakes, sure.
In the heat of the moment, I was over eager, but what I did came from love.
My mother just wanted to hurt me, she just wanted revenge for my accidental rape of her the previous Christmas.
The year 2000 did not start well for me.
Mom was constantly blackmailing me, threatening to mail my friends our special Christmas photos of me in her bra, panties being raped up my hairy ass.
"John honey, do you mind licking mommy's pussy for her?
You are such a precious little buttercup angel.
Do a good job sweetie or your pics will be sent to the entire football team.
Make me cum hard baby, lick it all up Johnny, your dad would be so proud of you.
Momma's little rapist is growing up so fast!
" she laughed as she humped my face and nearly cut off my air supply as she came.
It was a nightmare.
Let's be clear: no means no!
Sex without consent is rape.
I did not give her consent to do this to me.
I fucking hated it.
I was not allowed to fuck her pussy, play with her tits, and certainly her ass was way the fuck off limits.
She would wag it in front of me, rub it against me - to make sure I knew what I would never have again.
She thought it was funny to watch me get hard, and the demand that I NOT cum.
If I did...
pictures would get mailed.
It went on for months.
My mom forgot one thing.
I was applying to colleges.
I would be leaving this town next summer.
As soon as I was accepted, her power over me would be at an end.
I slowly came to realize that she had no real power over me anyway.
I mean let's get real.
She was an adult who had raped her son, repeatedly.
If I wanted to, she would be going to jail.
This summer, I began to tape our conversations, our sexual time together.
"Mom please, don't make me do this anymore, Don't make me lick your pussy.
This is rape mom.
I still love you, but this is RAPE.
Won't you please stop hurting your son, please mom," I declared in between licking and lapping and sucking her to a major orgasm.
Sometimes her comments would mention that I had raped her first.
That was of course unacceptable for my purposes, so I taped over it.
Usually though, when she was close to orgasm she was out of it, demanding, wild - almost vulgar.
"Shut the fuck up and lick my sticky, stinky, wet little cunt.
You are mine, and you will pleasure me.
This is all that you are good for.
Suck, suck, suck your mommy.
I think I'll strap on my dildo and rape your sweet little ass when we are done.
I want to see you bleed a little.
How does that sound you sick slut," she said, as I recorded the incriminating evidence.
On November 15th I got a letter in the mail from Penn State.
I had been accepted on a partial academic scholarship.
There is one thing about being an only child in a family where people die young.
You get a lot of insurance money left to you.
Cars, houses, and even a boat were sold when grandpa, dad, and finally grandma died.
Stock, bank accounts, etc were all left to me and mom.
The money was held in trust until I turned 21, but I got a small allowance.
The money was earning interest.
I was 17, I only had to hang on until then and while I might not be filthy rich...
I'd be very, very, comfortable.
Between my allowance, and part time job a PSU scholarship was all I needed.
I was free!
My mom had nothing on me, the power had shifted.
I could send her to jail by playing my tape anytime I wanted.
I planned to rub it in her face, to taunt her.
I ran downstairs to show her my acceptance letter.
She read it carefully and got an odd look on her face.
I could swear that her eyes teared up and she let out this breathy, pathetic little gasp.
"John... are you going to accept?
Will you be leaving me, moving thousands of miles away from our home?
Have you thought about how alone you will be?
We have had our ups and downs especially in the last two years - but do you really want to be completely alone?" she said as she turned and quickly went to her room and locked the door.
I don't know how to explain how I felt just then.
I was so ready to hurt her, but when I realized that I had, I got no pleasure from it.
I had been in love with Susan for so long that even after all she had done to me this year, hurting her; the reality that I had caused her pain, still felt unnatural.
Mom did not show her face for the rest of the day, and I had plenty of time to run the scene over and over in my mind.
The next morning there was a knock at my door that woke me up.
"Can I come in?" a quiet voice said from the hall.
"Um sure, ok mom." Susan had made us breakfast.
I was stunned.
It had been so long since we had done that.
It used to be our special ritual.
Some mornings I'd serve her, others she'd feed me in bed.
We would spend hour laying next to each other, bonding, just catching up.
It had been more than a year since we had done this.
Last time I had kind of lost control and fondled her breasts a little.
I held her in my lap, cupped her perfect breasts and sprayed my cum against her sweet nightie-covered ass.
She did not say a word to stop me, but that was BEFORE she found out that I am really Jaz, and write rape stories.
That was long before she started raping me.
She set the two plates down on my night stand and got into bed next to me.
She was wearing a black satin nightie.
Usually she would have a robe on over it, but not this morning.
We talked for a while and watched TV as we ate.
It felt good to have her warm body next to mine.
Familiar memories flooded me, and I wanted to reach out to her, to hold her close to me.
When we finished eating, she got really quiet and then asked me to turn off the TV.
"John, this was really nice sharing time with you again.
I guess I have to savor these moments, if you are moving out, and leaving me all alone.
I always knew you would move out some day... but not 2,500 miles away!
We'll never see each other," she said as she began to cry softly.
This was insane.
I thought my mom hated me, despised me.
She was acting like the woman I loved again instead of the evil, bitch I had been living with since Christmas.
This was MY Susan, my sexy, tender, lover.
I was very confused.
Before I could formulate a response she spoke again.
"John, I'm a little emotional right now.
Would it be ok if I snuggled up against you for a little while.
I think I need to be held." "Um ok, sure mom."
She wiggled and snuggled her ass against my crotch until it got good and hard.
When she felt it poking her, she gave a contented sigh, I had my arms around her waist at first but slowly they crept up to her tits and cupped them and squeezed them lightly.
My fingers played with her nipples, lazily tracing circles until she fell asleep.
My cock was throbbing, pulsing hard as it nestled against my mom's silk covered ass.
I could not help squeezing her juicy bottom a little.
I pulled my dick out of my briefs and used her nightie as a condom.
I wedged the material deep in her perfect little crack.
Then slowly, as she slept, I slipped my dick inside the ass I loved so much.
It was not rape cuz she did not say no, and I was not actually touching her skin.
I did pull the straps off her shoulder so I could feel her breasts better.
When my hands were full I began humping my Susan's ass hard.
I could feel her clamping down on my dick.
The nightie prevented me from getting in very deep but it was enough.
The feel of silk on my cock, combined with the friction and warmth of her unbelievable ass, was forcing me to a major explosion.
I tried to hold it off but it had been two years since I had felt my dick in her ass, in anyone's ass and I slowly lost it.
I shot blast after sticky wet, spunk blast up her ass, on her night gown.
I left my cock inside of my mother.
My hands were still wrapped protectively around her tits as I closed my eyes.
I must have drifted off for awhile cuz I awoke to the sounds of my mom mumbling in her sleep.
I was about to wake her up when I caught the words she was saying.
And my life changed forever.
"No, I can't fuck him, he's my son!
It is wrong.
Only you Ron, I can only love you.
Oh god, he's leaving me too.
I'll be all alone now.
He hates me, he hates me... and I love him.
I need him, he can't leave me..." her voice trailed off into a mumble.
But I had heard enough.
She loves me.
Somehow after all that had happened - she loves me.
And I love her.
I pulled my dick out of her ass and wiped the sperm load up as best I could, smearing it on her tits and in her hair.
For some reason I wanted to leave my mark on her, to brand her as my woman.
I began sucking, slurping, nibbling on the back of her neck hard, until I was sure I would leave a nice hickey.
Just a private little inside joke between us, nobody else would ever know.
In fact chances were, she would not know either.
(When was the last time you saw the back of YOUR neck?)
I then kissed her softly and spooned her tight against me, and went back to sleep.
Christmas was almost here and my relationship with my mom had improved dramatically.
She had not forced me to lick her or raped my ass since our breakfast together.
We spent quality time with each other again.
Twice I came home from school and found her sleeping in my bed, wearing one of my football jerseys (and as far as I can tell nothing else).
My mom was making a conscious effort to be my best friend again, and believe me I appreciated it.
If I had to I could settle for that.
But I was expecting her to admit her love for me, to finally surrender to me as a lover.
She would not, perhaps could not do it.
Friendship, and familial love are important, nice even...
but the thing is she is more than just a friend, or a mom to me.
I have (according to her) raped her, fucked her ass, cum in her mouth, licked her sweet pussy, tasted her juices, fondled her tits, and been brutally raped by her.
I don't know how to explain it, other than to say we should both hate each other.
We should be terrified to be in the same room together.
Somehow though we are still in love.
I know if it was any other woman I would hate her, I would be afraid of her.
But it is my mom, we are family.
Deep down, I know that she gave me life.
There is a tremendous capacity for forgiveness between a mother and son.
Think about it, what could you do that would make YOUR mom hate you forever?
There are convicts on death row.
Vicious, baby killing rapists, who the whole world hates.
Priests, teachers, ex friends and lovers despise them - but one person is there, visiting when she can.
One person will beg the jury not to kill him, to sentence him to life instead: MOM.
I came to realize that I really had raped my mother 2 years ago (although I did not think so at the time).
That must have really hurt her feelings.
She had tried to forgive me but when she learned that I was "Jaz", that I had written about her humiliation, well I guess she just snapped.
When she raped me last year it was part revenge, sure.
It was also part discipline.
She taught me that as big and strong as I am, I could still be drugged, butt-fucked, humiliated and blackmailed.
My tears and pleas for help could be ignored too.
I could be hurt just as bad as I hurt my mom.
In a weird way it made me a better person, a better man.
I know that my actions do have consequences.
I have seen both sides of the coin: Rapist and Rape victim.
The lesson was learned, our slate was clean.
The story could have ended there.
I should have let it go right there.
The thing is, I still loved her.
I had to take a chance, to tell her how I felt, to show her that I wanted her.
My mother had a mental block.
She simply could not accept that she was in love with me, that she wanted me.
I would need to shock some sense into her, to force her to accept the truth.
It seems I would have no choice but to rape her one last time to get her attention, to earn the right to love her.
Considering our recent family tradition, I decided to do her on Christmas day.
I also would continue the practice of sending the story to OnlineStories, Mr.
Double and Kristen (Duh Jaz, they are reading it right now).
It seemed only right, since you had all been there at the beginning, to let you know how our story ends.
I also wanted my mom to know exactly why I had raped her again.
It was not out of greedy lust like the first time.
It was not because of revenge, like when she raped me.
No I was raping her sweet pussy because I loved her, and needed her to love me too.
We spent Christmas Eve together.
It was snowing so I dared her to come outside and have a snowball fight with me.
My mom has a hard time not accepting a dare.
Soon we were flinging white balls of icy destruction at each other, laughing and having a blast.
Then she crossed the line and shoved a ball down my shirt.
Her eyes got big and she tried to run away.
She did not get far.
I tackled her on our front lawn.
"John, John I am sorry, I did not mean to do it, but you look so cute," she giggled madly in anticipation of my reprisal.
I straddled her waist and opened her coat, then I pulled her sweater up to her neck exposing her fat, beautiful tits.
"Oh god no, John what are you doing, let me up this instant.
People can see us," she hissed in despair.
I grabbed two handfuls of snow and packed it around each of her breasts.
"You are going to stay right here until it melts.
Naughty little girls like you have to be punished," I said as I stretched her arms above her head.
I then began tickling her mercilessly.
Susan was laughing, crying, struggling desperately to throw me off.
She kept thrusting her hips into me and of course I got hard.
It was not long before it became clear that she was fucking herself off.
Our crotches were grinding into each other.
"Here, let me get some of this snow off you, I don't want you to get frostbite," I said as I squeezed and flicked her breasts and nipples while slowly removing the snow, and mashing my hard cock into her.
I felt Susan buck hard against me and let out a low groan.
Her face blushed and I knew she had cum, about 3 seconds later, I joined her.
I helped mom up and pulled her sweater down.
I then gave her a tight hug and said, "I love you Susan."
She did not say a word but smiled briefly and went back inside.
We decided to eat out, it just doesn't make sense to cook a huge meal for two people.
Mom let me pick the restaurant.
She should have known better.
She came downstairs wearing a shimmering black evening dress, and high heeled shoes that made her 6" tall.
How can any woman look so breathtakingly beautiful.
I must have had a pretty dorky look on my face cuz she gave this dainty little giggle and said, "Do you like it?
" I reached down lifted her under her arms and raised her to my face.
"I love you mom, you are incredibly sexy, and any man would be honored to be your date.
I'm glad you chose me," I said and then kissed her softly on each cheek before licking her lips once and setting her back down.
I guess the inscription still made her a little uncomfortable.
I escorted Susan to the car and we went to the Paladin Club.
The Paladin Club is the most exclusive nightclub in town.
It has a killer Jazz band, and 5 star French/Italian cuisine.
My mom and I have been there twice before.
The first time was the Christmas Eve that I raped her.
The second time was a few months later on Valentine's day.
There is no way she could miss the symbolism.
To me the Paladin Club is a place where my mom has always been forced to deal with me as an adult, as a man, as something other than her son.
It is special, it is OUR place.
"Oh John, no.
Why did you bring us here, TONIGHT, of all nights!
I can't eat with you here."
"Mom calm down, it is a classy restaurant, that we both enjoy.
I just want to have a pleasant meal with you, maybe dance a little, is that so wrong?
We've been through a lot in the past two years but this place still has good memories for me.
If you can't handle it, if it is too much for you..."
"No, I guess I am just being silly.
Let's go inside and have fun.
Lord knows when or IF we will ever do this again."
It was perfect.
Mom and I both decided not to drink.
I wanted her sober tonight, no excuses, from either one of us.
I had chicken alfredo in a mushroom cream sauce.
Susan had roasted garlic shrimp with a petit N.Y. strip steak.
I asked her to dance before and after our meal.
It was so romantic.
We fit snugly against each other.
No groping or grabbing, just a tender, lover's embrace.
I enjoyed having her breasts press into me, having her head rest on my shoulder.
Susan was snug and secure in my arms where she belonged.
This was my woman, and I was taking her home to fuck her, to make love to her.
We were both quiet all the way home, enjoying each other's company and our private thoughts, and fantasies.
I would finally fuck my mother's warm, wet pussy.
My father had died 4 years ago, and while I had made love to her ass, cum in her mouth, fondled her tits and licked her slit - no man had been allowed to fuck her sweet Pussy.
My father was her first, last, and only cuntmaster.
That changed tonight.
"John, thank you.
I had a wonderful time.
I was afraid we would never be able to trust each other like this again, after all that has happened.
I'm tired.
Do you mind if we open our presents in the morning?"
"No mom, I'll see you in the morning, goodnight."
At 12:01 Christmas morning I knocked on my mother's door, wearing only a pair of boxers.
"Come in."
"Mom, I can't sleep would you mind if I get in bed with you?
She was wearing a baby doll semi-see through nightie, and was embarrassed to let me in bed with her.
However she remembered how I had let her sleep with me when she needed to.
"Sure John, it's a big bed," she said in an uncertain tone.
"Mom, would you mind if I snuggle a little with you.
I just feel kind of sad tonight, I need you close to me."
I said; without waiting for an answer I pulled her tight against me.
I kept grinding my crotch into her ass trying to get comfortable.
My hands crept up to her breasts and began playing with them, lazily at first.
"John... JOHN what are you doing?
Stop that and go to sleep."
But I could not stop.
I pulled her nightie up and wet my finger.
I then stuck it into her slightly moist pussy.
"John listen to me, stop right now.
This has to stop.
You are my son, and we can't do this.
Please John don't do this to me."
I did stop then and sat up next to her.
I pulled her into my lap and cupped her breasts in my hands while licking her ear.
"Susan honey, we need to talk, we need to finish this.
I told you a long time ago that I love you, that I need you.
I want to possess you utterly.
I want you to give me your body, to make love to me.
I have a tape mom.
A tape of you raping me.
I could blackmail you, send you to jail.
But that does not get me what I want.
I don't just want you on Christmas, I don't want stolen kisses, or the occasional snuggle.
I want you to want me.
To be hot and wild and passionate, and completely in love with me.
I want to have the right to grab you and fuck you anytime I want, just like dad did.
I want to wake up to find you sucking on my cock just because you feel like it.
Mom can you honestly say you don't want that too?
Can you honestly say that you can bear to have me walk out of your life forever?
Because that is what I would have to do.
You are the woman I love, the only woman I have ever made love to.
If I can't have you, I will have to go.
If I am near you, I have to fuck you.
It is as simple as that," I said as I wrote my name on her breasts with my finger.
She was crying now, and I could smell her juices beginning to boil and drip out her pussy.
She laid back against my chest and I wrapped her in my arms.
"I don't want to lose you, I, I know that you are more than just a son to me.
I am so scared though.
Wanting you this way is wrong.
I am your mother.
I should not let you play with my tits, I should not want you to lick my pussy, or need you to fuck my ass but for some sick reason I do.
I know I can't allow you to fuck me, I can't let you put that big slab of cock-meat inside me.
If I do that, there is no turning back, you will own me.
I will become addicted to your dick.
Oh god, what am I going to do.
I love you John, but it is still wrong!"
We laid that way for a long time, just holding on to each other.
My hard on was peeking up between her thighs.
Finally I came up with a solution.
"Mom I understand that our relationship is not normal, but it is not WRONG either.
Making love to you could never be wrong.
I love you and I want to show you how much.
Susan, it's Christmas.
Let me have you this one time.
Make love to me, be greedy, teach me how to please you.
Make me fuck you right.
We owe it to ourselves to try it at least once.
You are All I want for Christmas, all I have ever wanted."
Susan was quiet for a few seconds and then she slowly nodded her head.
Her hands were trembling as she smiled up at me and said yes.
I was so happy, that I crushed her against me and said over and over, "I love you baby, I am going to be so good to you, I love you mom," while kissing and hugging her.
Our kisses slowly began to deepen, she was on top of me straddling my waist.
Her breasts were brushing against my chest and my cock was laying against her ass.
I was licking her lips, sucking on them when her pretty, pink little tongue flicked out to meet mine.
I sucked her into my mouth and we both let out a little sigh of happiness.
Susan began crawling down my stomach, stopping briefly to lick my belly button clean.
Then she began playing with my cock, rubbing it against her face, eyes, nose, sniffing and then licking and sucking it into her mouth.
It was amazing to watch.
My mother was overcome by a wave of pure dick-lust as she began to swallow my cock.
I don't know how big my dad's cock was, but he must have been my size or bigger, cuz my mom swallowed my fat 8 incher like an old pro.
She kept looking me right in the eye, with this wicked little grin on her face, daring me to fuck her properly.
I did.
I began to ram it down her throat, we established a good rhythm.
She breathed through her nose and every 20 seconds or so I would pull out and let her lick and massage my knob (and breathe), before plunging back in.
"Cum on my face baby, cum all over your mother's face," she said between slurps, and squeezes and soft, slow, sucks.
I could not help it, she was sucking the sperm right out of me.
I grabbed Susan's head and pulled it tight against my crotch.
I held her in place as I powerfucked her throat.
Precum was bubbling out of me and I could hear it gurgling in her mouth.
My balls were twitching and jerking hard now and I felt the sperm swimming their way to the head of my cock.
"You want my sperm mom, you want some stinky-sticky?
Take it you beautiful little slut, take your son's cum!"
I bellowed as I shot the first load down her throat.
I remembered that she wanted some on her face too; so I pulled out and pressed my spurting cock against her nostril and shot it up her nose.
I had one or two dribbles left so I placed my cock on each of her eyelids and let er rip.
Mom was a little surprised...
but she did not complain.
I don't know if I can explain how sexy my mom looked.
My cum was in her belly, a little drop was hanging from the corner of her mouth.
Her nose was dripping my cum, and her eyes were crusting over with it.
(Guys try it with your girlfriend tonight, it is fucking amazing!)
I wanted to rest for a few minutes, but I could not.
My mom was obviously very horny and it would not have been polite to leave her hanging.
We switched positions and I settled in for a long, slow lick.
I may not have a lot of experience in some aspects of sex.
Technically I am still a virgin, I guess, since mom has never let me fuck her pussy.
But I do know how to suck her good.
For several months she forced me to pleasure her pussy under threat of anal rape and blackmail.
Trust me, it is an excellent motivational tool!
I have licked my mom to dozens of multiple orgasms.
I started slow, spending time at each of her breasts.
I love the way they feel in my hands, so warm and full.
Her skin tastes so fucking sweet.
I licked and nibbled on her nipple-meat for a long time.
Her cute little whimpers and squirming made me chuckle.
I moved down to her belly button and decided to teach her a lesson for doing this to me earlier.
My mother is very ticklish.
If you go too fast, too soon, it is just annoying.
If you go too slow it has no affect.
But if you can time it right, make adjustments as you go...
the belly button can be an extremely sensitive, sensual zone.
I enjoy licking around the outside, slowly sucking the nub of her outie.
The feel of her flat little belly clenching up, tensing up as I explored her.
I could smell her juicing up, her pussy scent was filling the bed.
Suddenly she began to shake a little, and her hands grabbed my arms, as she grunted loudly, and she came.
I had not even reached her pussy yet!
That had never happened before.
It wasn't the largest, or longest orgasm I had ever given her but it caught us both by surprise.
I wanted to see if I could trigger multiple, non vaginal orgasms.
"Mom roll over, I want to play with your ass for awhile, " I ordered her in a deceptively calm voice.
"John be careful.
You have to go slowly back there, or you will hurt me," she said as she reluctantly obeyed me.
It had been so long since I had been allowed to worship her ass properly.
I pulled her meaty cheeks apart and held them open, just staring.
I felt my mouth begin to water at the sight.
I needed a taste so bad.
I started licking up and down the length of her ass.
when it was good and wet I blew a cold blast of air in her juicy little buns.
She squealed like a little girl on Christmas morning (hmm come to think of it...)
I was really munching on her butt now, nibbling and sucking on the inside of each cheek.
Finally I could stand it no longer and my tongue circled the rim of her anus.
I spread her as wide as I could and sunk my tongue inside of her asshole.
I was tickling her insides, filling them with drool and sweat.
It was time.
"Are you ready baby, can I put it inside of you now?"
Mom sighed, and said, "You are so much like your father.
He always loved my ass.
Go ahead John, enjoy yourself."
Mom stuck that sweet ass high in the air, and reached back to hold it open for me.
That was all the invitation I needed.
I pressed my cock against my favorite hole.
"Oh god, John you have gotten a lot bigger since last time.
Slow down, or you'll rip me apart.
That's it, ease it in.
Oh god you are filling me up, my little ass is full of your diCK, your priCK, your coCK.
FuCK, FuCK, FuCK me John.
Do it, do it now!" she shrieked as I began to pick up the pace.
Soon I was fucking her in earnest, slamming her asshole, pulling her hips hard against me, as I rammed into my mom.
I did not want to hurt her but she was so tight, so deliciously tight.
It had been a long time for her.
Two years since I had last done it and well over 4 years since she had received regular fucking from my dad.
She was ripe, and sweet and ready.
I reached around her front and dipped a finger in her juicy, wet slit before finding her clit stub.
As soon as I touched it she went off, rocking herself back, brutally impaling her ass on my beefy cock.
"That's it, that's fucking it!
Right there, fuck my ass you little mommy fucker, FUCK IT!
" she roared, as she shook that incredible ass of hers wildly, and came with abandon, dripping and oozing thick fuck fluid on my thighs.
I cupped her cunt and caught as much of it as I could, rubbing her cunt, and clit, coaxing her to another orgasm.
I took my handful of mommy juice and smeared it on my face, licking every drop of her essence.
By now I was rock hard and ready to cum myself - but I was afraid to.
Generally I can cum 3 times in a day.
I had cum once outside in the snow, when I played with her tits on our front lawn.
The second time was when she sucked my cock a few minutes ago.
If I let loose now, I might not have enough mojo left to fuck her tender little pussy.
I know guys in these kind of stories can usually fuck 3, 4, 5 times in rapid succession, but sorry, I can't.
This is not fantasy, it's reality.
It would be really embarrassing if mom offers that fresh, practically virgin pussy to me, and I have to pass!
So I concentrated on pleasing her, on bringing her back to full arousal; while I calmed down.
I rolled us over so she was on top, and began tenderly kissing my sweet Susan.
My hands massaged her back and ass, as my dick bounced around with a life of it's own just outside her vagina.
If you have never had a naked penthouse centerfold in your arms you don't know what you have been missing.
It was time.
"Mom, can I fuck you now, can your son fuck you sweet pussy please.
Oh god I need you so bad.
Give it to me, give me everything, be my woman forever.
I love you mom, and I want it all," I said as I traced her pussy lips with my index finger.
"Ok, ok, I think we have to, I need it too.
Go ahead and fuck me, pound it into me...
only John you have to pull out.
Don't cum inside of me, I'll suck your load, or you can cum on my tits.
Neither one of us wants me to get pregnant, right?
So remember you have to pull out."
I could have let that go, she was giving me almost everything I wanted.
I finally had permission to suck her tits, cum in her ass, and fuck her pussy.
What more could any son want?
Here is the thing though.
A man in an intimate, loving relationship is allowed to cum in his woman's cunt.
For my mother to say that I could not was an indication that she still was holding something back from me.
That was unacceptable.
"Mom, I AM going to cum inside of you.
I MAY even make you pregnant.
That's just a risk we will have to take.
I promise that I will be there for you, and we will decide together what to do if it happens.
I love you Susan, and you belong to me.
I WILL fuck you and I will CUM deep inside your sweet pussy.
Now give me a kiss and then stuff my cock in your cunt, and get ready to be fucked."
Susan did not move for a long time.
She seemed to be stunned by the idea of complete and total consensual sex with her son.
This would be the end of her marriage vows.
My dad's death had not broken her commitment to him, only my cock entering her willing pussy could do that.
Slowly she laid on her back and spread her legs wide for me.
She guided my cock to the entrance of her vagina eased me into her sopping wet, hole.
The first time I thrust forward, I got half my cock inside.
She let out a little gasp of pain, so I stopped and let her get used to it.
Suddenly she took a deep breath, thrust her pelvis up and the rest of my cock slid home.
I did not move at first.
It was so warm at my mother's center, I felt like she was burning up with fever.
Sweat was glistening on her skin, I reached down and grabbed one of her jutting breasts and began to weigh it, cup it, roll it in my hands.
I started kissing her wildly as I began to establish a slow rhythm inside of her.
In, out pause, thrust, slam.
It was pure, plain old missionary fucking and it was damn good.
I felt my cum begin to travel, to burn its way up my shaft.
I did not even try to stop it.
"I'm cumming!
I'm cumming in your cunt Susan, I'm fucking your sweet Pussy.
I own it, and I will fuck you forever.
Do, ugh, you mmm, like this cock,?
Making a baby with my baby, making a baby in my mommy!
Take it, take it all!"
I screamed as I flooded Susan's pussy with my hot, sticky sperm.
I was about half way through when I felt her clamping down on me, panting and groaning in despair, in exhilaration, in sheer and utter exultation.
Finally we were both sweaty and wet, and spent.
Susan rested for a few minutes, and then was going to the bathroom to clean up a little, but I would not let her.
I wrapped my arms around her and pressed my dick tight against her bottom.
"Time enough for clean up later.
I love you, and I want you to baste in our juices.
Besides what's the point in cleaning up when I am going to fuck you dirty again as soon as I rest up a little," I laughed as I hugged my mother tight, held her close and declared my love to her.
She was quiet for a time and then she kissed me deeply, and said, "I love you too John.
I belong to you now.
I admit it, I have to.
I am still your mother, I will always be your friend, but I am your lover now.
One day I know you will want someone else, someone younger, shh, listen to me.
It will happen one day, and that is ok, but for now we have each other.
Until that day I am your wife, and I will never take this off," she said as she reached into her night stand and pulled out the gold and emerald necklace I had given her 2 years ago, and fastened it around her neck.
The inscription said: " Susan I love you.
You are mine forever, body and soul, John."
Well that is our story.
It is 9:30pm Christmas Night and I am getting ready to ask Varod to do a final proof before posting it to OnlineStories.
I'll probably copy Mr.
Double, Literotica, Soren and Kristen's sites as well as well.
Obviously our story is not really over.
I don't know how it will turn out.
I just know I love a woman who happens to be my mother.
We have caused each other a lot of pain in the past.
I am looking forward to giving her some pleasure for a change.
She deserves it.

first euro bird (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9247813)

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Where are they going? (4, Funny)

Log from Blammo (777614) | more than 10 years ago | (#9247816)

I'd say they'll be going in circles around the planet.

Re:Where are they going? (1, Funny)

dark-br (473115) | more than 10 years ago | (#9247883)

I would be more concerned about where they will be *going down* anytime soon :)

Re:Where are they going? (1)

mgs1000 (583340) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248047)

Well, Galileo needs to go *up* first. :)

Re:Where are they going? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9247949)

no, actually its worse yet, ... GPS sats are in geostationary orbit (which means they wont be going _anywhere_)

Re:Where are they going? (1, Informative)

transient (232842) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248011)

Uh, no. []

Re:Where are they going? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9248060)

No they are not. They are in a mid-altitude orbit that circles the earth every 12 hours or so, inclined fairly steeply.

Re:Where are they going? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9248006)


They're headed for... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9247818)


More NAVSTAR GPS information (5, Informative)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 10 years ago | (#9247832)

The correct links for the US-administered GPS satellite constellation, known as NAVSTAR:

NAVSTAR GPS Joint Program Office [] - responsible for operational maintenance of NAVSTAR GPS equipment, services, and infrastructure

Interagency GPS Executive Board [] - executive management of NAVSTAR GPS

GPS fact sheet [] - US Air Force facts about NAVSTAR GPS

US Naval Observatory NAVSTAR GPS home page []

Further information:

FAS GPS background info []

Global Security GPS background info []

Geocaching... (0)

AgentAce (246327) | more than 10 years ago | (#9247850)

lots of geocaching...

Essential to Ending US Dominance (4, Insightful)

Jameth (664111) | more than 10 years ago | (#9247856)

As long as GPS is the only game in town, the US has a stranglehold on the superpower market. The US can regulate the GPS satellites and could cut off anyone else at any time. Seeing as GPS has revolutionized warfare, this means the US gets an automatic bonus in any war.

Until the EU has an alternative, it's military (should it form one) will be at a severe disadvantage in a theoretical conflict, and potential power in a theoretical conflict is a major bargaining chip. (It's a chip that's not talked about, but people pay attention to it on their own.)

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (2, Interesting)

garcia (6573) | more than 10 years ago | (#9247898)

Unfortunately the US still can decide when to turn on and off the statellites.

So much for "ending US strangeholds".

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9248026)

See here []

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9248196)

Unfortunately the US still can decide when to turn on and off the statellites.

If you mean by hostile action ("shooting 'em down!"), there are some problems:

  • How to actually do it reliably? (possible in theory, how practical is it)
  • This act would de facto declaration of war; quite different from just switching of access to someone, which is barely an extended middle finger. Think it's as easy to declare a war against another nuclear nation (France, UK), as just shutting them off _your_ satellite system? Think Congress might see some difference in there?

So although it doesn't guarantee an alternative always exists, it still gives EU (and whoever else would want to launch similar system) much more choice, and better strategic position.

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9248256)

I don't mean by hostile action. I mean by having access to do it at anytime they please.

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (1)

Atzanteol (99067) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248330)

Ungrateful runt.

You know, the US military didn't *have* to allow everyone (including it's enemies) to use GPS at all?

"All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?"

This says it all (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9247941)

"it's military (should it form one) will be at a severe disadvantage in a theoretical conflict,"

I despise Bush, but you can see how this kind of thinking will never do anything for the EU.

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (2, Insightful)

CodeMonkey4Hire (773870) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248012)

But if the US cut off the GPS, then they couldn't use it either, right?
There would also be a lot of uproar from businesses/individuals unless there were very good reasons for the war. Otherwise, the PR would be very damaging to the government, which they would try to avoid unless there was a 2nd-term president or something.

On reflection, I suppose that the US could turn off just a few of the satellites, disrupting service in a more or less contained region.
I have also heard of GPS jammers, but anyone could use those, so that would effectively negate the US's GPS advantage.

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (1)

Jameth (664111) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248118)

"But if the US cut off the GPS, then they couldn't use it either, right?"

As best I know, wrong. The US can selectively cut off GPS. I was under the impression they could do it on a very fine-grained level, but they can at least do it by region (turn off satellites over the area, but leave on ones elsewhere).

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (2, Insightful)

SpyPlane (733043) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248249)

The satellites are NOT in a Geo-stationary orbit, so they would have to constantly be turning satellites on and off, and to top it all off, they could only command the updates while the satellites were in line of site to the ground station in US, so pretty much impossible without seriously effecting the US's use of GPS.

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (2, Insightful)

pe1rxq (141710) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248284)

The US has bases all over the world that could do the switching....
And maybe...just maybe... those satelites have a little clock on board and a microcontroller that can be programmed....


Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (5, Informative)

ldspartan (14035) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248289)

You're mostly correct. Selective Availibility can be done region by region (I don't know the resolution of this), and the signal can be degraded with rather fine-grained control (the whole world was degraded to 200meter-ish accuracy until the late 90s). SA does not effect military recievers; when supplied with the days proper P(Y) code, they are as accurate as the GPS spec allows (~1 meter resolution, best case).

So the US can degrade the signal in a fine grained way, without affecting military / government systems.


Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (2, Interesting)

lenhap (717304) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248366)

The US doesn't cut off GPS or turn off satelites ever. What they can do is add an error to the signal being sent. The did this in the early years of GPS. The military knows the error so they can correct for it, however the general populous and other militaries do not know how to correct the error, so in effect, while everyone can still use GPS, the US militaries use of it is orders of magnitude better than anyone elses.

However, know that this option hasn't been used in at least the past 3 years. (I know this because I work on GPS/Inertial navigation systems used in every commercial airplane in the world.)

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (4, Informative)

robslimo (587196) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248029)

The paper says that by necessity, the two systems need be compatible on several fronts. OK, that is good, saves everyone money, too, by not obsoleting all your GPS hardware when the EU system goes live.

The EU system will also provide "additional commercial services, on a user-pays basis." That could be good too, but the basic "where am I now" function of GPS works fine for me. I'm leery of a govt body stacking commercial features on to a pretty well proven system.

"Galileo thus requires US cooperation for its commercial success, while at the same time apparently threatening US national security and industrial advantage!" To which I say Bah! Unless the US has really been dragging its heels in cooperating, I say, build your nav sat system and go for it! Our (the US) present obsession with security is mostly the work of a paranoid few. Let the US take care of itself and power to the EU for whatever they can do.

Sure, there may be a few Pentagon types who might drag their feet, but the timing and communications methods aren't rocket science... and even the rocket science part can be easily handled.

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (4, Funny)

PetoskeyGuy (648788) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248034)

As long as GPS is the only game in town, the US has a stranglehold on the superpower market. The US can regulate the GPS satellites and could cut off anyone else at any time. Seeing as GPS has revolutionized warfare, this means the US gets an automatic bonus in any war.

That's right, they get a +5 accuracy on all medium and long range weapons.

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (1)

kpansky (577361) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248270)

As well as an increase in science production for being a democracy. If you think we're bad now, just wait till we get our offshore platforms.

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (4, Interesting)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248055)

The truly messed up part is that many European nations (*cough*Sweden*cough*) would need to rely on the US military in the case of a major assault. The EU has troops and weapon systems, but it's doubtful they would be sufficient to defend against a major superpower. While many Europeans are upset over Iraq, the US is unlikely to be the aggressor in any major European conflict. That leaves two other possibilities:

1. Someone more intelligent than Putin takes over Russia and uses Putin's communist-like infrastructure to once again impose a military state.
2. China decides that they have the most people in the world and that someone else should give up some land to support them.

While the second is more likely, either one would spell defeat for the European Union. Only the US currently has the necessary military power to stop another superpower. On the upside, China might be more inclined to take on the US first since we have more undeveloped land. It wouldn't be much of a war though. We'd fight until the Chinese start lobbing nukes. Once that happens, China can kiss their population goodbye when a few neutron bombs fall.

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (2, Insightful)

mpost4 (115369) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248189)

if any side in any confict starts lobbing nukes, we all can kiss their asses good bye. if the US sends up what we got, that it humanity is dead. We have way to many nukes on earth.

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (5, Insightful)

Rhubarb Crumble (581156) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248233)

1. Someone more intelligent than Putin takes over Russia and uses Putin's communist-like infrastructure to once again impose a military state.

Vlad Putin is a VERY smart guy. At the moment he's busy wresting control of the country back from the cowboy capitalists that Yeltsin and the IMF sold its natural resources to (as in 100 people own 1/4th of the country's wealth). This needs to happen before re-establishing the military's dominance can take place. The symbolism is already pointing that way, what with the red star being restored as the symbol of the Red Army, and the national anthem reverting to the Soviet one (but with new words). This is why eastern europe is so keen to join NATO, as they know very well that Russia the superpower is just taking a timeout...

2. China decides that they have the most people in the world and that someone else should give up some land to support them.

Ummm, China is very far away from Europe. If they want land from someone it'll be Russia....

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (2, Insightful)

pubjames (468013) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248236)

You should also bare in mind that the USA does not want anyone else to have a good military, so it is for instance trying to stifle a pan-European military force. So it's not a case of the Euros not wanting a strong military, it's a case of the USA preventing the Euros from having one.

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9248272)

many European nations (*cough*Sweden*cough*) would need to rely on the US military in the case of a major assault. The EU has troops and weapon systems, but it's doubtful they would be sufficient to defend against a major superpower.

Yeah, "a" superpower. I can imagine the call by Swedish prime minister, to the then ruler of US:

"President Bush the 3rd: we are being attacked by US 3rd Army! Please send in troops to help defend ourselves!"

Seriously, though, while EU has no troops whatsoever (it's still just a bureaucratic organization, not a government), all western european countries do have. And although they aren't of much in invading other countries, they are good enough deterrent in conventional ground war, defending their respective home countries. I sincerely doubt that even US would consider it beneficial to try to conquer these nations, much less Russia. And China is just fantasy; check out a map and see which countries China neighbors.

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (2, Interesting)

SpyPlane (733043) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248069)

Okay, let me chime in.

First off, the US can't just block out who they want with GPS, that is the beauty of it, it's a one-way connectionless communication protocol, it is either OFF or ON. Second, the US would NEVER, EVER turn OFF gps, we have much more riding on GPS than anyone else. Third, our only control over GPS at this point is Selective Availability, which besides having a presidential and congressional mandate to never turn ON again, it is completely useless with today's technology. Any corruption and error caused by SA can be eliminated with L1/L2 carrier phase tracking. That is one reason SA was turned off in the first place. The other being to jump start the civilian use of GPS to increase the technology worldwide.

I know everyone likes to think that the USA is evil in every way, but I hate that no one sees the gift that was GPS. The military could have used it all for themselves, but no.. they shared with all, and turned off SA to boot. Not only that, but they didn't hide any of the implementation details. Which also makes me wonder why the GALILEO project is costing so much, much of what was done by the US won't even have to change. And the US did it cheaper than Europe is proposing.

I do not work for the GPS JPO, but I do work in the navigation field, so I hate when people spread FUD about GPS when they really don't know what they are talking about.

By the way, if you don't believe me on the L1/L2 carrier phase tracking, look up Trimble, NavCom, Ashtech, etc. etc.

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (1)

thedillybar (677116) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248071)

Until the EU has an alternative, it's military (should it form one) will be at a severe disadvantage in a theoretical conflict

Terrorists who can get their hands on large missles are also at a severe disadvantage.
If the EU is worried about the military disadvantage, they should develop a system similar to GPS for their military. But they're not. They're developing a "civil" system.
The US isn't all that worried about the EU having the capability, they're worried about an ICBM w/ New York City's name on it...something I don't see coming from the EU in my lifetime.

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (1)

mgs1000 (583340) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248177)

I think that the biggest concern is that the Chinese will have access to Galileo, and will use it to lob missles at Taiwan, Japan, and the U.S.

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (1)

pcx (72024) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248208)

The US isn't all that worried about the EU having the capability, they're worried about an ICBM w/ New York City's name on it...something I don't see coming from the EU in my lifetime.

No, the US is worried about an ICBM w/ New York City's name on it originating from North Korea and riding the Galaleo navigation system all the way even though the US saw the launch and disabled its GPS systems.

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (2, Insightful)

Dun Malg (230075) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248257)

The US isn't all that worried about the EU having the capability, they're worried about an ICBM w/ New York City's name on it

Actually, They're worried about cruise missiles, not ICBMs. ICBMs don't use GPS, they use ballistics.

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (1)

Patrik_AKA_RedX (624423) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248282)

Terrorists who can get their hands on large missles are also at a severe disadvantage.
If they can't use GPS to guide it, they'll use something else. Besides why would they need to use a missle? Pack a car full of explosives, park close to target, set timer and move to a differend country. Much simpler than obtaining and using missles. Plus you can pack a whole lot more explosives in a van.
The US isn't all that worried about the EU having the capability, they're worried about an ICBM w/ New York City's name on it...something I don't see coming from the EU in my lifetime.
Ofcourse not. All our nuclear ICBMs are aimed at Hollywood. That's the real threat to national sanity.

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9248339)

I agree with your sentiments towards EU intentions, but WRT ICBMs, that's just silly paranoid wet dream.

First, to build ICBMs, you do need a nation with reasonable resources to develop, deploy and use one. Second, you DON'T NEED GPS for hitting a target as big as NYC. Gee, germans during WWII were able to fairly nicely hit targets with V2s, without ANY ELECTRONICS. You might think that with current computers it'd be fairly easy for skilled military to accurately calculate targets of such missiles; accuracy has more to do with control system of the missile itself, not by positioning system (for highest accuracy GPS would be useful, though). We are not talking about high-precision cruise missiles here, you know.

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (1)

pizzicar (473570) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248075)

I'm not sure how owning GPS correlates to a stranglehold on the superpower market. There is a bit more to "superpower" status then GPS. The only time the EU would be at a "severe disadvantage" in a theoretical conflict would be if the EU were at war with the US, in which case owning their own satellite system is moot as their satellites would be toast either through destruction or jamming. (the U.S. system vulnerable as well).

In addition, the European system is designed expressly for civilian use. The European commissioner for transport, Loyola de Palacio, states that GPS is used partly for military purposes, while Galileo is being designed exclusively for civilian needs. In addition, De Palacio will seek to ensure that whatever agreement she and the U.S. reach, the exclusively civilian purpose of Galileo will be maintained. (from 129213145789)

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9248123)

Until the EU has an alternative, it's military (should it form one) will be at a severe disadvantage in a theoretical conflict, and potential power in a theoretical conflict is a major bargaining chip. (It's a chip that's not talked about, but people pay attention to it on their own.)

The EU and US are just on very different tracks, EU is expanding and moving towards bigger and markets, whereas the US hasn't expanded (territorialwise) significantly in the last decades. The EU is working towards a more global system of accountability, whereas the US is continuing on an unilateral path (UN/The Hague invasion Act/Kyoto treaty/Israel) I can see why the EU wants to have their own GPS system and a spiffy army.

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (1)

Geek_3.3 (768699) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248140)

I was under the impression that 'shutting off' (Selective Deniability) of the GPS signals would be almost impractical for the US to do in this day and age. There is a very large and crucial civilian infrastructure that relies heavily on GPS, way above and beyond Joe schmuck in his SUV w/ GPS capabilities. Also, I think (as of now) that it is all but impossible to really 'shut off' a specific area as of now. Not to say people haven't TRIED...

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (1)

smc13 (762065) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248179)

How is the parent insightful? He is saying that the reason the EU needs to have their own navigation system is because the US would have an advantage in a future conflict between the US and the EU. So when exactly are you expecting the EU to go to war against the US? What possible reason would they have?

It doesn't seem likely that the EU will get imperialistic and try to take over the world so why would they need to have their own navigation system? Or are you actually suggesting that the US will invade Europe? Sure, the US invaded Europe before (on June 6, 1944) but that was because a European nation was trying to take over the war (again). Unlike European nations, the US hasn't had imperialistic tendencies.

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9248307)

It doesn't seem likely that the EU will get imperialistic and try to take over the world so why would they need to have their own navigation system? Or are you actually suggesting that the US will invade Europe? Sure, the US invaded Europe before (on June 6, 1944) but that was because a European nation was trying to take over the war (again). Unlike European nations, the US hasn't had imperialistic tendencies.

Don't be so sure when you have any BUSH being elected as the precident of the US.

I saw CNN discussing about the imperialism in US on their international channel last Octorber. of course you American cannot see the program. CNN won't want to piss their American viewers off.

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (0)

Bob Bitchen (147646) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248224)

Anyone with a GPS jammer can "regulate" GPS. Laser guided missiles are the weapons of choice for accuracy. The fact that the GPS signal is low power makes it susceptible to jamming and for that reason the military, et. al. can not rely on it at all times. They currently augment GPS with stationary ground based geo information for improved accuracy. See differential-GPS. They can use SA (selective availability) and they have, it reduces the accuracy of the GPS signal, but that's of limited use if the enemy is jamming your GPS signal anyway.

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (1)

PinchDuck (199974) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248241)

GPS is merely one component in the U.S. Military hegemony. Primarily, what defines a superpower is the ability to project power. A huge navy, the ability to deploy ground troups anywhere on the planet, and stratetic missle forces define a superpower. The U.S. was a superpower long before GPS was deployed, and the deployment of GPS won't confer those necessary traits on to Europe any more or less then they already possess them.

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (1)

Richthofen80 (412488) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248248)

this means the US gets an automatic bonus in any war

automatic bonus? +1 to hit, or is it a +1 bonus against undead, europeans, and werecreatures?

Re:Essential to Ending US Dominance (1)

Greedo (304385) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248298)

... against undead, europeans, and werecreatures?

Why repeat yourself?

What's going to happen to those satellites? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9247879)

After manuevering fuel runs out a slow decay of orbit followed by firery reentry.

Competition vs monopoly (3, Insightful)

magarity (164372) | more than 10 years ago | (#9247887)

Most of the time competition is good: software, hardware, cola. Sometimes monopolies are more acceptable: stringing up electric transmission cables, streets to my (your) house, large constellations of bright satellites that interfere with astronomic studies and general enjoyment of the night sky. Sure, GPS is very handy but more than one system seems a little redundant.

Re:Competition vs monopoly (5, Insightful)

Hamhock (73572) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248020)

Well, it only seems redundant if you're the one controlling it. If you're not the U.S., then you might be concerned that the U.S.'s GPS system may not always be available to you.

Re:Competition vs monopoly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9248037)

It's about politic, not economic. So your econ 101 does not apply here.

Re:Competition vs monopoly (1, Insightful)

supersnail (106701) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248098)

Given the recent US history of treating any country that doesnt 100% agree with its current policy as an enemy.

The history of abusing international trade agreements for the benefit of US based corperations.

And the general unwillingness to agree with any other goverment about anything. I would say that depending on a US government controlled system would be pretty dumb.

Re:Competition vs monopoly (1)

SpyPlane (733043) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248111)

Indeed. And don't forget there are Russian GLONASS satellites up there as well.

Just look at US cell phone companies (1)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248342)

A perfect example of this redundancy is to look at the US cell phone providers. Where I am at there are signals of GSM, TDMA, CDMA and iDEN. All different standards.

We can't us the EU system (3, Funny)

Prince Vegeta SSJ4 (718736) | more than 10 years ago | (#9247894)

here in the US, how the hell would we read Metres and Kilometers, and hectares and such, give us our Miles.

Problem: Hmmm, Ive got 100 kilometers to my destination and 15 gallons of gas. I am driving an Hummer H2, that gets 9 miles a gallon, can I make it? Solution: It doesn't matter, the H2 can't drive around the corner before needing a refuel.

Re:We can't us the EU system (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9247951)

Don't you mean 9 gallons/mile?

Re:We can't us the EU system (3, Informative)

AgentAce (246327) | more than 10 years ago | (#9247953)

Most GPS receivers are able to switch between metric and imperial modes...all the satellite does is send a timing signal which the receiver interprets according to it's relative doppler shift...the satellite does not transmit *your* position based upon its own calculations, the receiver performs these calculations and displays them in whatever measurement you desire

Re:We can't us the EU system (1)

RevMike (632002) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248238)

And a meta-troll shows its head. Doppler shift! Very good try. I salute you.

Re:We can't us the EU system (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9247970)

At 9 mpg, that's one @*#% of a corner!

Re:We can't us the EU system (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9248015)

9 miles to the gallon? Ha!

More like 9 gallons to the mile.
You'd get better gas milage if you just poured the gas out the back and lit it.

Re:We can't us the EU system (1)

I confirm I'm not a (720413) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248220)

Hmmm, Ive got 100 kilometers to my destination and 15 gallons of gas.

Litres, sir, Litres.

I am driving an Hummer H2

Robin Reliant, Ithinkyoumean. If you're going to use Metric, you've gotta learn to think European.

Re:We can't us the EU system (1)

albeit unknown (136964) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248357)

What about rods? And hogsheads?

Cool! (1)

PhysicsGenius (565228) | more than 10 years ago | (#9247902)

The EU system looks like it's going to be a lot more accurate, but that's only to be expected. It is newer technology but the US system is purposely crippled because it was intended for military use. That increased accuracy would be any geeks dream.

The problem is that EU countries have a tendency towards Big Brotherism. Look at the UK and their security cameras. How long before every citizen is required to have an implanted GPS tracking chip to prevent terrorism?

Why?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9247913)

Why make another?

I guess they should be a little more careful this time as they don't want to end with another Beagle disaster!

Re:Why?? (1)

Patrik_AKA_RedX (624423) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248329)

Please. We all know that Beagle was killed by Sir Killalot. You're just trying to cover things up, aren't you?

Maybe I missed something (2, Interesting)

transient (232842) | more than 10 years ago | (#9247916)

...but when push comes to shove, as in the recent US-EU tensions, the military requirement prevails.

Does anyone know what this refers to?

Re:Maybe I missed something (1)

Mz6 (741941) | more than 10 years ago | (#9247966)

I think it means that our US military relies very heavily on GPS and requires 24/7 for anything they do. If the EU decides to go forth with their own, perhaps it might be able to take away its access to it and make it rely on it's own.

Re:Maybe I missed something (0, Flamebait)

drunkahol (143049) | more than 10 years ago | (#9247972)

Perhaps it's the bleating that the US forces did about the European system being available to "terrorists" unless the Europeans let the US forces govern the accuracy in certain areas?

Re:Maybe I missed something (2, Insightful)

zenrandom (708587) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248133)

this available to terrorists thing is such a farce. A GPS receiver is available for as little as $90. And one with WAAS [] one can achieve accuracy of about 3ft 95% of the time if they are in an area served by the ground based error correction stations (which is pretty much all of the USA). This is currently available to terrorists if they want it anyhow. And anyone can set up their own Differential beacon... to improve accuracy even more. Hell they used to do it when the fuzz factor was still on with GPS.

Re:Maybe I missed something (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9247979)


makes me wonder (2, Interesting)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 10 years ago | (#9247922)

Makes me wonder if China is working on its own global positioning system (see previous slashdot story/thread)

Re:makes me wonder (5, Informative)

Rhubarb Crumble (581156) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248043)

Makes me wonder if China is working on its own global positioning system (see previous slashdot story/thread)

They're in on Galileo: see here []

Re:makes me wonder (0, Offtopic)

AgentAce (246327) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248046)

They're waiting for the year of the cock

Re:makes me wonder (1)

ianturton (655126) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248053)

China and I think India are putting money into the EU system.


Re:makes me wonder (1)

Dausha (546002) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248064)

Yes, it is called the HPS. (as in EVD v DVD, HPS v GPS).

Re:makes me wonder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9248086)

of course they do. A regional system with 2 sat. The 1st step to go global.

Once this is in place… (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9247929)

...Italians might actually be able to find the new world without help from the Vikings.

Re:Once this is in place… (2, Funny)

Zoidbergo (751725) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248027)

Whatchu talkin' about? They never found the new world intentionally to begin with - they got lost, remember? :)

Where ever they are going... (0)

suso (153703) | more than 10 years ago | (#9247983)

I think that they will need to develop a system in the next 5-10 years that can be used through buildings and underground, otherwise it might be useless. I would think GPS devices would be useful for people like cave explorers, but maybe that's unreasonable or would be too dangerous to the rest of the population.

Re:Where ever they are going... (4, Funny)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248050)

would be too dangerous to the rest of the population.

Yup, broadcasting through hundreds of feet of rock would probably end up cooking everything on the surface

Re:Where ever they are going... (4, Funny)

MrIrwin (761231) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248092)

How can cave exploring be dangerous to the rest of the population.

Mind you, a did see a documentry about the spielologists retained by the city of Naples to try and map it's enourmous network of caves and tunnels. These people keep turning up unexpectedly in peoples basements!

Re:Where ever they are going... (2, Interesting)

CodeMonkey4Hire (773870) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248164)

I agree, there are a lot of reasons to want GPS to work better. I was thinking of GPS this morning and how it would be nice to give your kid a GPS watch or bookbag or something or a GPS unit in your car so that if they are ever lost/kidnapped/stolen, etc. I/police could locate them.
I understand that there would need to be some sort of receiver but it seems like this would be an issue of cost, not feasibility.
You would want these devices to be working 100% of the time, right? What if your kid has gotten stuck somewhere, is being held in someone's basement, is lost in the mall, or your car is parked in a deck/garage or is driving through tunnels.

And before the YRO posters get all riled up, the devices could be designed with some kind of passkey to protect privacy.

Re:Where ever they are going... (3, Insightful)

Dun Malg (230075) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248168)

I think that they will need to develop a system in the next 5-10 years that can be used through buildings and underground, otherwise it might be useless. I would think GPS devices would be useful for people like cave explorers, but maybe that's unreasonable or would be too dangerous to the rest of the population.

Forget it, man. You can't get EM radiation through solid rock from orbit. At least not without a lot of power, and then you're frying everything on the surfac. Wishing for an underground-capable GPS is like wishing for a lighthouse you can see through the hull of your boat. It's asking too much.

Re:Where ever they are going... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9248352)

how about gamma ray? they fill the space all the time. Just encode your signal in gamma ray!

Re:Where ever they are going... (1)

magarity (164372) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248324)

GPS devices would be useful for people like cave explorers

Cave explorers could get by on an inertial guidance device but the market is a little too small to make such a product worthwhile. For now they'll have to stick with chalk.

Link to older Article on Slashdot (4, Informative)

CharonX (522492) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248001)

For more information look at the Article featured on Slashdot about 6 months ago.
Galileo System To Include Jamming Capability []

Here's the big question: (4, Interesting)

MtViewGuy (197597) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248035)

Will the ESA Galileo satellite navigation system be sufficiently different that you'll need all-new receivers to pick up Galileo navigation information?

That could get VERY expensive as manufacturers of satellite navigation receivers will have to accommodate both systems for airplanes, automobiles, trucks, boats, etc.

Re:Here's the big question: (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9248188)

Update. The GPS and Galileo L1 bands overlap others do not. More information here: tail.jsp?id=61244

Re:Here's the big question: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9248218)

Or they just chose the Galileo because the Galileo was designed exclusively for comercial use. that means better accuracy.

Re:Here's the big question: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9248231)

Yes, they are on different frequencies. Around 1500 MHz for GPS, and 1240-1300 for one of the Galileo bands (I don't remember the other 2) which will also cause interference to the Amateur Satellite Service uplinks (boo).

Don't forget about the Russians: GLONASS (5, Informative)

shoppa (464619) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248136)

The Russians have had GLONASS for several years now.

Here is a technical comparison [] . They seem more alike than different to me.

I know of a few very high-powered geologists who cross-check GPS with GLONASS. Having a third system would seem to only help.

working together (1)

mpost4 (115369) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248156)

It would be nice if the US DOD would work with the EU to allow them on the same freqs as GPS. I probably go out and get an combine reciver that would not only work on both systems, but work with both systems at once, aka if it get 2 gps and 2 of the EU ones it could still calculate the infomation.

one aside is I would like to get the reciver in the Magellan 3xx seraries form factor.

More 'open source'? (1)

gabbarbhai (719706) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248199)

I read somewhere that the Indians were approached for investment in the new European system.
I suppose that also means they will have a say in deciding the different features availble etc. If that's the case with many other countries (and I DON'T know the data. Sorry.), the European one will be more standardised and better equipped for use by more people. Besides, its always good to have redundancy built into such systems, now that everyone depends on them so heavily.

Just my 2 rupees. Don't mind me too much.

This could also be a benefit (2, Insightful)

TimmyDee (713324) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248221)

So long as the US and the EU are on good terms, we should be able to access both systems with the correct receiver. I can see a great benefit to a receiver that can read position from both systems and cross-check on the fly, reducing your PDOP and increasing your resolution of position far more quickly than before. Imagine having upwards of 10 satellites providing you with position data! I'd be in heaven!

what's going to happen (1)

Dagrush (723402) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248225)

what's going to happen to those satellites?

I'll tell you what's going to happen, they going to shoot each other down. that's what's going to happen.

redundancy (4, Insightful)

curator_thew (778098) | more than 10 years ago | (#9248243)

This is also about global redundancy. The world increasingly depends upon navigational technologies like this. It's a little dangerous that there's only _one_ point of failure (whether technical, economic, political, etc).

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