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Area 51 Hackers Map Buried Surveillance Network

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the damned-if-you-do dept.

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advair writes "There's a story on SecurityFocus about a pair of Area 51 'hackers' who discovered a buried network of wireless motion sensors on the public land surrounding the "operating location near Groom Lake, Nevada." Using a frequency counter and a GPS receiver, they tracked down and logged 30 - 40 of the sensors, before the FBI and Air Force raided one of them, and questioned the other. Now one of the guys has been charged with a federal crime for allegedly removing one of the devices that was protecting a base that doesn't officially exist."

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Area 51 is a hoax by the goverment (5, Interesting)

mpost4 (115369) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257742)

My bet is area 51 is just a deco, think about you set up a "base" you plant a few "good" stories for the conspiracy theorist to love, you play the whole thing up. you have a real base some where else. Every one will flock to area 51, then you do your real work at area 52 (or what ever they might call it) I also doubt there are any extra terrestrial research going on in the government, think about it you need the best of the best to even think of starting it, and the government well its the government what other insult do I need to lob at it.

Area 51 is probably just a few buildings there to keep the amount of people to perpetuate the image that area 51 is real.

This people probably have fallen for it, and the government might have just planted the motion sensors to keep them busy, they the person steal one I don't know, but either way the government sorta unofficial clams it, and the conspiracy theorists will go wild.

Re:Area 51 is a hoax by the goverment (1, Redundant)

cyb97 (520582) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257762)

Kinda remember a discovery program a few years back that with some dubious evidence claimed that the US government had moved everything interesting out of Area-51 and up north to a new "UFO-base".

Can't remember where they moved it though, and not the name of the program, so in reality it's just a speculation on my part ;-)

Re:Area 51 is a hoax by the goverment (3, Insightful)

emtboy9 (99534) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257765)

Lob all you want, but dont forget that that same inept government developed the internet or at least what became the internet, and without it, you would still be posting comments like yours on dial up BBS's...

Oh those were the days!

Re:Area 51 is a hoax by the goverment (3, Funny)

Jim Hall (2985) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257839)

Lob all you want, but dont forget that that same inept government developed the internet or at least what became the internet, and without it, you would still be posting comments like yours on dial up BBS's...

Wait, this is the same U.S. government that gave us Amtrak and the USPS?

That said, my personal theory is the same as mentioned in the article (yes, I RTFA) - that Area 51 is a testing ground for new, experimental aircraft. As a result, they don't like visitors.

-jh

Re:Area 51 is a hoax by the goverment (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9257947)

Wait, this is the same U.S. government that gave us Amtrak and the USPS?

Don't go blaming the government because Americans prefer travelling cross-country in their own personal conveyances rather than using more efficient means of transportation.

As for the USPS it works just fine. I'd like to hear how much you'd charge to pick-up, transport and deliver a letter from one coast to the other, let alone millions of letters and packages on a daily basis.

Re:Area 51 is a hoax by the goverment (5, Interesting)

jedrek (79264) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257959)

I live in Warsaw, Poland.

My friend sent me a letter from Germany on friday morning, via DHL (private company), paid 38euro (about 45-50US) for it. I got it on tuesday morning.

Another friend sent me a package on thursday afternoon from Missouri, via USPS. It was a Muvo2 MP3 player in its original box, with all the manuals, power supplies, etc. He paid $20US for it, and I got it on... tuesday morning.

Don't knock the USPS.

Re:Area 51 is a hoax by the goverment (3, Insightful)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257867)

Don't forget that the government also brought us NASA, which has given us all sorts of useful technologies.

Re:Area 51 is a hoax by the goverment (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9257771)

Or alternatively Area 51 is for real and you're just a government agent trying to decoy us.

Wrong !! ;( (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9257773)

The base exists. Clinton signed it into existance when the workers sued for being exposed to pollutants which the goverment didnt want to disclose. As of 2002 all of the John Doe's are now dead and the foverment still didnt explain what materials they were exposed too.

Re:Wrong !! ;( (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9257885)

the government still didn't explain what materials they were exposed to.
Well, the symptoms of Elerium poisoning are fairly obvious, so we could check for that.

Re:Area 51 is a hoax by the goverment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9257776)

But would you really big the world's longest runway just for show?

Re:Area 51 is a hoax by the goverment (5, Funny)

JosKarith (757063) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257787)

Area 51, Hanger 18, whatever - even if this stuff had been going on, you can bet that they would have been cleared out the second someone official heard people talking about it.
Won't we rue the day when the insectiod aliens come to take over our planet, and the secret fleet of defense spaceships aren't ready yet cos' the govt. kept having to move them...

Re:Area 51 is a hoax by the goverment (5, Funny)

hangareighteen (31788) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257978)

Area 51, Hanger 18, whatver

GOD DAMNIT, IT'S SPELLED HANGAR. H-A-N-G- A -R. I've had this handle for 6 years, and damned if someone dosen't somehow mispell the thing. Same way every time. If you put yer coat on the thing, you call it a hanger, if you put a fuggin airplane or aliens or whatever else in it, it's a hangar.

Sorry, but I had to say that.

Re:Area 51 is a hoax by the goverment (2, Funny)

mphase (644838) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257799)

Or maybe they are making sure the only people intelligent and rational enough to expose area 51 have come up with your explanation of things. Or maybe they knew you would know that they would know that you would come up with this theory.

Re:Area 51 is a hoax by the goverment (5, Insightful)

The Meeper (782183) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257806)

I believe the military installation commonly known as Area 51 is actually an advanced aircraft development center, where they developed craft ranging from the old U2 spy plane to the F-117 stealth fighter. That would make a lot of the UFO sighting claims make sense.

Re:Area 51 is a hoax by the goverment (1)

mpost4 (115369) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257836)

Or they just dress up a plan and fly it about once and a while to keep people looking for them.

It's not smart to play with fire. (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9257810)

Yes, there IS another base located somewhere else. There are several bases from which the Aurora is flown, for example.

But it's not smart to play with these people. You could disappear and no one would ever see you again, alive or dead. Trust me, I know what I am speaking of.

Do NOT fuck with these people, if you care about your future.

Re:Area 51 is a hoax by the goverment (4, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257847)

Area 51 is quite real. In fact, it's been declassified that many of our advanced fighter (e.g. SR-71 Blackbird, F-117 Stealth Figher, U-2 Spy Plane, etc.) planes were developed there. More info on Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] . Sorry, the government hasn't admitted to keeping little green men there.

Re:Area 51 is a hoax by the goverment (1)

bjes (644911) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257855)

Why would the government fund such an audacious 'hoax'? It probably cost billions or even trillions by now. And mind you, it was founded as an experimental facility for new aircraft built by the government, it has so much security around it because they don't want any foreign spies relaying any classified information to their Motherland...And that's why it's so hard to even get clearance to look at the place. The only reason people are so fanatical about it is because it's secret, it intrigues everyone's minds...just like the pyramids, and atlantis.

I mean really, you think our government would be stupid enough to create such an elaborate hoax JUST to trick everyone in the world....wait...scratch EVERYTHING I just said...

Re:Area 51 is a hoax by the goverment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9257878)

The only reason people are so fanatical about it is because it's secret, it intrigues everyone's minds...just like the pyramids, and atlantis.

Reminds me of the Simpsons.

"What IS your fascination with my forbidden closet of mystery?"

Re:Area 51 is a hoax by the goverment (2, Funny)

Stephen Maturin (530754) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257863)

"Area 51 is a hoax by the government"
... are you sure it's not the other way around?

Re:Area 51 is a hoax by the goverment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9257914)

you mean "Area 51 is a goverment by the hoax"
or "A hoax is Area 51 by the goverment"
or "a hoax is the goverment by Area 51"
or "the goverment is Area 51 by a hoax"

no, no, this is probably the one:

"the goverment is a hoax by Area 51"

Finally everthing makes sense:

Dubya is a hand puppet of the little green men!

Re:Area 51 is a hoax by the goverment (-1, Offtopic)

Damek (515688) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257873)

Every one will flock to area 51, then you do your real work at area 52 (or what ever they might call it) I also doubt there are any extra terrestrial research going on in the government, think about it you need the best of the best to even think of starting it, and the government well its the government what other insult do I need to lob at it.

I don't know, but feel free to lob some extra periods & commas at your writing... :P

Re:Area 51 is a hoax by the goverment (1)

Bitsy Boffin (110334) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257875)

One of my few remotly possible fantasies is something akin to the scene from "Independance Day" where there is a veritable stampede of motor homes barelling across to Area 51.

Just imagine, if you could get a million people (not undoable) to all turn up at once, on foot, and just blatently start walking to the base. What are they gonna do? Start shooting a million civilians of thier own country because they want to go see what thier tax dollars are paying for? Arrest a million people all at once? Pack up and move before a million people get on thier doorstep? Tear gas? Land Mines?

A million people would not be an easy mass of people to stop from doing what they want - especially if they are concentrated into a tight and strong mob, I don't think you could do it without serious bloodshed.

Re:Area 51 is a hoax by the goverment (1)

SquierStrat (42516) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257918)

Tear gas would do it. Military grade tear gas (aka CS)is some strong stuff. It will make your eyes, skin and nose burn and your nose run without inhaling it. Inhaling it will do really fun things to you. I'd know...

"Okay, hold out your mask in front of you...HEY YOU! TAKE YOUR GOD DAMN MASK OFF! Okay, now put it back on." and the whole time people are falling to their knees gagging..

Re:Area 51 is a hoax by the goverment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9257962)

Same as any crowd control situation: tear gas, water cannon, break the crowd up with lines of police, arrest obvious ringleaders, baton charges, mounted police charges. Most people will leave once the tear gas comes out, you can arrest the rest. Easy to do.

Re:Area 51 is a hoax by the goverment (2, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257898)

bleh..

more probably they just do some research there nowadays that's just labeled secret for some reason or another..

of course all the ufo crap is just crap, but that doesn't mean they don't have research projects that are 'secret' from public eyes(a lot of this obviously high tech stuff, prototype testing and alike that to some morons might seem like certain proof of ufos).

what's the point in having a huge decoy, just to feed the tourism in the nearby cities??

Re:Area 51 is a hoax by the goverment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9257943)

No.. it's a secret base with aliens... that every 8 year old in the country knows about..

Re:Area 51 is a hoax by the goverment (1, Funny)

SlayerofGods (682938) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257946)

Bah, everyone knows that area 52 is where they keep the stargate and is inside Cheyenne Mountain.

... or so the aliens would have you believe! (3, Informative)

Punk Walrus (582794) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257757)

Hasn't that base been officially declared as real, and that it has been unused for some time?

Re:... or so the aliens would have you believe! (2, Interesting)

SilentChris (452960) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257811)

Yes, Area 51 has always been a "real base", just a military base (secretive like most military bases out there).

My guess is that they're conducting experiments and tests on areas they don't want the public to see (WMDs, biological/chemical warfare, etc.) Conspiracy theorists take the tight security and wrap it around inplausable stories, which the government probably doesn't mind (better having the crackpots think they know what's going on than important people ACTUALLY knowing what's going on).

Re:... or so the aliens would have you believe! (5, Informative)

div_2n (525075) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257923)

I don't know if it is or isn't in use, but if you do some research, you will find that they will probably be guarding it for quite some time.

There were several civilian employees that worked there and they became ill. They sued the government due to what they said were illnesses resulting from EPA violations (burning toxic chemicals). Apparently all the experimental stuff they have been doing has some nasty bi-products. They were running out of storage room so naturally they just burnt it. Apparently if a base doesn't exist, it is free from abiding by EPA regulations. That is a whole topic for another discussion though.

To make a long story short, they weren't allowed to sue because officially the base didn't exist. I do not know the final outcome of the case since the base has been acknowledged.

If they were handling toxic stuff there, it is possible that they will continue to guard it even if it isn't used anymore to prevent hapless curious seekers from exposing themselves to lethal substances.

Cue X-files theme (4, Funny)

LookSharp (3864) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257760)

a pair ... discovered a buried network of wireless motion sensors on the public land surrounding the "operating location near Groom Lake, Nevada."

Upon their arrival, hundreds of vents opened up and millions of alien-virus infected bees immediately started swarming around them...

Oops, wait, sorry... wrong movie. :)

Listen (3, Funny)

Himring (646324) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257764)

Area 51 is a hoax by the goverment

Hast thou learned nothing from the x-files?...

Agreed. (5, Insightful)

zenmojodaddy (754377) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257767)

If there ever was anything at Groom Lake, it won't be there now. The SECOND anyone knew that UFO nuts had got wind of it, anything interesting would have been moved somewhere else.

At a tangent - whatever happened to Bob Lazar?

Re:Agreed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9257815)

He's still around. He just got tired of all the attention so he quit talking to the media.

Re:Agreed. (2, Interesting)

medazinol (540033) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257816)

Bob is still around and doing physics privately. He still insists when asked that what we worked was true. Personally I beleive him. When a person comes out and says stuff like he did fully knowing that his life wil be ruined and never asks for a dime then he deverses some kind of respect or admiration?

Re:Agreed. (1)

cpghost (719344) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257843)

The best place to hide something is exactly there, BECAUSE it would not make any sense.

Seriously though, if there is something there, what did the commercial observation satellites detect? Any idea where we can have a look at some hi-res photos of Area 51?

Re:Agreed. (5, Informative)

neonstz (79215) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257919)

Seriously though, if there is something there, what did the commercial observation satellites detect? Any idea where we can have a look at some hi-res photos of Area 51?

In case you didn't know, there is an excellent search engine called Google [google.com] which gives you the answer. Just search for groom lake satellite pictures [google.com] and you'll get this [fas.org] as your first hit.

Re:Agreed. (3, Informative)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257986)

what did the commercial observation satellites detect

A bunch of buildings and runways.
Terraserver, FAS, even a simple image search on Google all show recent, relatively hi-res pics.

Re:Agreed. (1)

mikael (484) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257890)

If anyone were really serious about finding out about what was in these places, they'd probably use solar-powered "Predator" type drones with video cameras, rather than risk setting off any motion sensors by moving on the ground.

Re:Agreed. (1)

Lord Zerrr (237123) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257899)

If there ever was anything at Groom Lake, it won't be there now. The SECOND anyone knew that UFO nuts had got wind of it, anything interesting would have been moved somewhere else.
Thats what they whant you to think!

Re:Agreed. (1)

LokiSteve (557281) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257981)

<Tin foil>

Does the general public trust UFO nuts?

Why would the government abandon a multi-billion/trillion/+ base because a few people the public regards as fools are talking about it? If anything, they would leave it there and let the UFO nuts dig their own hole by making "absurd" statements, thereby reducing the credibility of the statements and the nuts. The kicker would be that the so called "nuts" are the ones actually in the know!

</Tin foil>

Really though, you don't build something that big to test slingshots...

Re:Agreed. (1)

north.coaster (136450) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257982)

The best source for current information about the happenings at Area 51 is Dreamland Resort [dreamlandresort.com] .

So these guys found the government sensors (1, Funny)

spidergoat2 (715962) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257770)

Has anyone been keeping track of the sensors the aliens have to track us? I think that's the real story.

Re:So these guys found the government sensors (1, Funny)

southpolesammy (150094) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257894)

Yeah...they're called supermarket customer cards around here....

Coooooool (1)

millisa (151093) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257772)

Raided motion detectors? How'd they do it with just one though? Did they go with a motion detector mirror or were they looking for more of n-1 most motion detection for their buck type setup with a motion detector 5?
Huh? Made up story about the usaf raiding civilian homes? Oh. Never mind.

Hmmm... (4, Funny)

Whispers_in_the_dark (560817) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257775)

* Large playing area
* GPS coordinates are mapped
* Public land (hey, the taxpayers _pay_ for it)
* Who knows what goodies are at each site to be traded

Sounds like a good place for some geocaching [geocaching.com] to me! :)

Re:Hmmm... (1)

data1 (23016) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257954)

That is exactly what they were doing.
Did you bother to read the article before posting?
Oh wait.. This is Slashdot. Nevermind!

No name? (1, Insightful)

boog3r (62427) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257782)

The DOD forgot to have mommy write their name on the things. If they are on public land, is there anything besides fear of reprisal (like a law) to stop somebody from taking the things?

Re:No name? (4, Interesting)

the unbeliever (201915) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257822)

There's no such thing as "public land" -- the government owns every single bit of land in the country that's not owned privately (and even then -- there's property tax)

It also doesn't matter if the DOD name was on it or not, it doesn't belong to you, so why take it? Basic theft.

Re:No name? (1)

Pendersempai (625351) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257939)

It also doesn't matter if the DOD name was on it or not, it doesn't belong to you, so why take it? Basic theft.

There is a common law principle known as abandonment, stating that when property has been abandoned by its owner, the first one to find it can keep it.

So if you find an inexplicable electronic gadget in the middle of the desert, it would be reasonable to expect that it was abandoned.

(IANAL)

Re:No name? (1)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257840)

The DOD forgot to have mommy write their name on the things. If they are on public land, is there anything besides fear of reprisal (like a law) to stop somebody from taking the things?

Law? I imagine guys with machine guns act as an awfully good deterrent to taking them.

the 'government (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9257965)

There is no such thing as "The Government"
In this country, you and I are the government.
If the government owns something, you and I own it.
Too many ppl have fallen for the ignorant notion that there is a discrete entity named "the government" that can help or hinder them.

Nah (1)

ZioCantante (716860) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257786)

This is the real story:
the invisibile man so upset when they walked across his vegetable garden that he reported them to the FBI

i think they found... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9257791)

the real creator of linux out there, microsoft labels were found on the motion sensors...

Poor Lisa (1)

rharder (218037) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257792)

"No ma'am. This is Area 51A."

So he removed one? (3, Interesting)

in7ane (678796) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257800)

Nowhere does it mention that one of these things was seized from the guy. What happened to assumed to be innocent until proven guilty? For all they know the thing could have broken, batteries run flat, someone drove over it, etc. Or for the conspiracy nuts - they removed it themselves just to accuse the guy.

Re:So he removed one? (1)

SquierStrat (42516) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257936)

It's a way to harrass them to keep them from trying stunts like that again. It wouldn't surprise me if there wasn't one missing at all. Like I said...just a way to harrass the guy.

Re:So he removed one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9257937)

It says near the end of the article that one of the sensors turned up missing, and the government accused him of stealing it. Read a little more than the headline next time.
But court documents unsealed earlier this year reveal that there was an unsolved mystery lurking around Groom Lake. It seems that a month prior to the raid, one of the road sensors went missing--

Re:So he removed one? (4, Insightful)

barzok (26681) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257979)

Innocent until proven guilty disappeared a few years ago. Due process is up next.

*Puts on the tin foil hat* (2, Insightful)

MrRuslan (767128) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257802)

Now they know that we know that they exist!!! on a serious note poking around in stuff like this is asking for troble be it legal or not. The gov needs to keep some things secret because some people don't need to know or are not ready to know some stuff,stuff like that causes problems.

Re:*Puts on the tin foil hat* (1, Interesting)

pe1rxq (141710) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257833)

Why should any government decide what I am allowed to know?

Jeroen

"I want the truth!" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9257883)

"You can't handle the truth!!"

Re:*Puts on the tin foil hat* (1)

MrRuslan (767128) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257930)

It's not you or me specificly,it is the general public.Let's say as just an examle that the goverment knows about aliean and goes public with it.do you have any idea how many people would flip balls...the goverment would share more stuff with the public if the most of it would be able to accept it...they are right to hide certian things because some people just don't need to know some stuff and if they did know some things it would make alot of theings more complicated.

Re:*Puts on the tin foil hat* (2, Funny)

Bitsy Boffin (110334) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257945)

Because knowing otherstuff is UNPATRIOTIC.

How dare you think for yourself!!!

Re:*Puts on the tin foil hat* (1)

Zigg (64962) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257969)

Because you trust it with your security?

my .02 (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9257803)

dumbasses, what did you think was going to happen.

They took down the web site too! (4, Funny)

CodeHog (666724) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257807)

Oh wait, it was just /. ed ...

still something to protect? (1)

An0maly (448481) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257812)

last i heard the base had been evacuated. about 4-5 years ago i think. art bell had a blurb about it being deserted.

Re:still something to protect? (1)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257876)

That's what you get for listening to Art Bell.

Terraserver [terraserver.com] has some fairly recent pics.

It's a marketing thing! (1)

spidergoat2 (715962) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257818)

When the number of visitors reaches a high enough level, a new theme park will be deemed viable. It happens everywhere.

Joey (2, Funny)

slow train (683508) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257828)

They got him on conspiracy, but they never said who with.

Area 51 does now exist (5, Interesting)

LokiSteve (557281) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257829)

During the Clinton era it was acknowledged that Area 51 (Dreamland, Groom Lake, etc) existed. This was about the same time that Area 51 buffs reported a dramatic decrease in activity at and around the base. It was acknowledged in a very generic manner, but was acknowledged none the less.

Supposedly, the reason for the abandoning of the base was because the radiation from atomic tests wasn't going the "China Syndrome" way, back into the earth, but coming back up (area 51 was the 51st grid on a map used for nuke testing).

I haven't followed it for a while, but last I heard, the experts were pointing at Arizona and New Mexico as the new locations for many, mini, Area 51s.

Those Bastards! (4, Funny)

Paulrothrock (685079) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257848)

From the article
"If you or I accidentally kick one of these hidden transmitters, should the feds be able to seize our Macintosh and photos of Aunt Betty?"

They took his Macintosh?!? Those bastards!

Re:Those Bastards! (1)

Lord Zerrr (237123) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257924)

Oh no, not photos of Aunt Betty? The horror

Re:Those Bastards! (1)

Darth23 (720385) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257941)

Didn't they see ID4? Now we'll have no way to save the Earth from the Alien invasion!

Duracell (1)

NitsujTPU (19263) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257849)

http://www.dreamlandresort.com/area51/new_sensor_5 .jpg

Duracell - The Official Battery of Groom Lake Black Operations

40 motion detectors found? (0)

afdsfsdafsdaf (454138) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257851)

that sure could make me a lot of tinfoil hats..

It's a military base. (4, Insightful)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257854)

Lot's of military bases have perimeter security and sensors. Try getting into Camp Peary in Virginia. Or any one of a number of other places.

oooo....But it's Area51! Obviously they are hiding something behind those sensors.
Ha. If there ever was anything alien there (highly doubtful), it's long since been moved. Hangar 18, maybe?

What is a frequency counter? [n/t] (0, Offtopic)

magefile (776388) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257861)

no text [n/t]

Television Special (5, Interesting)

wls (95790) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257862)

There was a television special recently about this. What I found even more interesting was a different security compromise.

A private investigator was hired to watch the airport in Las Vegas and he observed which cars came and went on a frequent basis. He was eventually able to deduce which cars' owner were spending the day at Area 51.

At that point, it became a simple matter of just following the cars to a plush neighborhood. When he went to knock on the door and asked about Area 51, they said "no comment" and shut the door in his face. One would think that just mentioning Area 51 would be enough to inspire curosity from the non-involved.

An once-insider agreed to secretly meet with them doing the whole inside-a-hotel with blured-face and altered-voice routine. He examined maps and photos and said they were accurate. He also said that there were no UFOs at Area 51, and that the big secret was the abusive politics and unsafe worker conditions.

Guess Area 51 scooby gang missed the television special on S4, where the anti-gravity [unmuseum.org] from borrowed UFOs go on.

Re:Television Special (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9257920)

A plush neighborhood?

How many teddy bears would you need to build one of those?

Re:Television Special (1)

magefile (776388) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257951)

inside-a-hotel with blured-face and altered-voice routine.

It's fairly common knowledge that that kind of anonymity means squat. In a hotel? Figure out where the interviewer was that day, and find out who else went in and out. Blurred face? If it was done electronically, and the person didn't keep absolutely still, it only takes a few frames to recover the "lost" information. Altered voice? There's only a few algorithms that are used to do that ... just apply 'em in reverse until you find one that matches, and you've got the voice.

Besides which, if we don't trust the government, why should we trust any idiot who we can't ID, whether it's this guy, or "Mr. X" in a ski-mask talking about the whole Leonard Peltier thing, etc. While I sympathize with LP, and while I don't trust the government, those who say the government is lying or not trustworthy lose credibility when they do crap like this.

It does so officially exist. (3, Insightful)

SquierStrat (42516) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257864)

Several years ago the Sec. of Defense admitted its existence in a press conference. Hell, I can tell you what goes on there: nothing exciting. They test secret missile systems and secret aircraft.

Re:It does so officially exist. (1)

north.coaster (136450) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257958)

A few years ago there was a lawsuit involving employe exposure to hazardous waste at Area 51. At that time, the US Government acknowledged the existance of the base, but reused to release any details citing national security concerns. The judge in the case agreed with the government.

Re:It does so officially exist. (1)

nagora (177841) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257960)

Hell, I can tell you what goes on there: nothing exciting. They test secret missile systems and secret aircraft.

To be fair, that sounds quite exciting.

TWW

SF slow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9257870)

The Register has the same story [theregister.co.uk] .

If I have learned anything (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9257872)

The government is not capable of organizing anything... the very least of which is a alien cover up. This is just another case of their incompetence being viewed from an odd angle looking like something that it is not.

sig heil (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9257877)

Oh come on, we know anyone that isn't patriotic is against us; the internment camps are only for undesirables. Work Hard; Be Good; Support Herr Bush! Long Live the Ruler!

Oh boy... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9257884)

Dumb asses, I bet they were surprised when they were caught?

Not a lot of sympathy (5, Insightful)

Halo- (175936) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257886)

I don't have a lot of sympathy for this guy. Let's review: He finds security sensors around well-known secure area, digs up a bunch of them and opens them, and calls in a TV news crew to watch him do so, and then gets fingered when one of the devices comes up missing. Not suprisingly, the Fed's want to talk to him.

Now, granted he did rebury the devices, and granted, they were in the public park, not Area 51 itself, but it's not hard for the average person to see why this is a bad idea. There's a lot of stuff in "public" areas you're not allowed to monkey with. If a public park provided restrooms with those annoying motion-sensor faucets, does anyone think they would be within their rights to repeatedly take them apart?

Sure, there is a worry in this case about the government monitoring private citizens in a public place, but "approach" sensors invade privacy a lot less than swarms of armed guards peering through binoculars from the fenceline 24x7.

In short, this guy crossed the line. I understand being intrigued, and even outraged by these devices, but making a map is one thing, and once he figured out what the devices were he never should have touched them.

(Just had a scary thought on preview: what if the odd buried device he found had turned out to be a errant landmine? Of course it's massively criminal for it to be there, but there is a reason you don't got poking unknown military hardware...)

Re:Not a lot of sympathy (-1, Troll)

DirkDaring (91233) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257909)

"He finds security sensors around well-known secure area"

RTFA. He found them on public land.

Re:Not a lot of sympathy (4, Insightful)

Halo- (175936) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257985)

Thanks, I did RTFA, hence "around" meaning "surrounding" not "on" or "in" meaning "contained within". And "public" means anyone is allowed to access it, but it is still technically owned by the govenment. A lot of stuff is found on public land which is government owned (or sanctioned) which isn't to be messed with. Roads, lighting, utilities, etc... The park down the street from my house has lights connected to motion sensors, how is that different?

Re:Not a lot of sympathy (1)

Enigma_Man (756516) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257974)

I agree. While it's probably not the best idea for the government to be burying detector things on "public" ground, the example about the public park restrooms with the faucets hits the nail on the head.

We all know that the government does research in that area that the public shouldn't know about, lest we blab it to the wrong people. I don't think our government should keep as much as it does secret, but there are some things that are important to be kept secret, so that our country is safe, like new military vehicles and the like.

-Jesse

no sympathy (1)

GuyinVA (707456) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257983)

Couldn't agree with you more. These guys were messing with government property, regardless if it was on puplic land or not.

But if these sensors were in a private area (ie: home, office) then hack away...

Great! (2, Funny)

corporate_ai (775461) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257895)

Well if we weren't all on a list before this story, we are now. Thanks /.

Gitmo, Area 51, what's the difference? (4, Funny)

cpghost (719344) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257912)

Area 51 is probably just another detention camp where alien terrorists are being tortured^Wquestioned. Govt. denies the existence of this camp to protect the red cross inspectors from the awful sight of ugly aliens nursing their greenish wounds. Ever seen an alien with sleep deprivation? Uh oh...

Idiots... (4, Funny)

stienman (51024) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257944)

Now one of the guys has been charged with a federal crime...

If you absolutely, positively must be raided today - illegally enter a restricted area.

I mean, come on, you know they're motion sensors - what did you think would happen?

-Adam

A bit of trivia (2, Informative)

dirtsurfer (595452) | more than 10 years ago | (#9257964)

The enola gay (the plane that dropped the bomb on Hiroshima during WW2) was stationed out of Area 51. True story.
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