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Sneak Preview of VIA's next-gen mini-ITX mobo

CmdrTaco posted more than 9 years ago | from the its-so-adorable dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "VIA will preview its next-generation mini-ITX board for the consumer electronics market at next week's Computex 2004 in Taipei. The EPIA SP features a new graphics and memory controller hub (GMCH) supporting faster front-side bus (FSB), memory, and southbridge interconnect speeds. It also features a C3 processor clocked at 1.3GHz, integrated PadLock Hardware Security Suite, and MPEG-4 acceleration. Oh, and like the current top-end MII 12000 VIA board, the whole board probably draws under 20watts running flat out."

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For anyone interested... (5, Interesting)

Mz6 (741941) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270556)

These boards make for a great use in the car. I have used several of these boards to create a carputer [mp3car.com] for movies, music, and navigation inside my car.

I have one myself and I love it :)

Re:For anyone interested... (1, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270752)

you run windows then. as there is no NAVIGATION software for linux available.

Yes gpsdrive is a moving map display but it does not have any navigation capabilities... I.E. "turn left in 300 feet continue on E drive for 5000 feet and then merge left."

I would LOVE to have some real linux navigation software.... but delorme will never make a native linux app and only their old version 5.0 will run under wine correctly.

Re:For anyone interested... (1)

Mz6 (741941) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270890)

True... One of the biggest reasons why I did this to my car was that I wanted to be able to incorporate MP3s and movies into it, but also have navigation as a MUST. Unfortunately, as you say, there is no linux software that supports navigation as accurate as say some of the Windows software out. Not to mention that most of the software developed especially for use inside a vehicle is all windows based anyhow.

I bit the bullet and *gasp* run XP for it... Let the Microsoft flaming ensue...

Re:For anyone interested... (1)

inkedmn (462994) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270757)

So *you're* the guy watching RotK in fully Dolby 5.1 in your rear-view mirror?

Re:For anyone interested... (5, Interesting)

legoburner (702695) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270768)

Screw cars... think supercomputing cluster. VIA have been talking about a dual CPU mini-itx board with 2ghz (esther core) processors for a while now. I'll leave finding info about them up to you (mini-itx.com and via's site for starters)

You can get 1U cases which let you put in 2 mini-itx boards (there are quite a few if you [g|fr]oogle.

Here are some specs for a rack full of them...
336GHz total power. 84GB RAM, up to 22.5 TB HDD space, total power usage < 15kW (60W per machine).

Costs:
fixed:
42U rack: $150
Cables/Power supplies: ~$100

per-unit:
case: $200
mobo (guess): $200
ram (512GB*2): $120
HDD (300GB): $250

ttl per machine: 200+2(200)+2(120)+2(250)=$1340
42 machines=$56280
+ rack bits=$56530

in GBP=30584 (I am British)

that's a spicy-a meat-a-ball.. still 22TB and 336Ghz cluster... hmmmm... Might get 5fps on Doom 3!

15kW/h
To be extra geeky... cost per day to run in London, England (electricity only, excluding air conditioning)...
15kW/h per hour * 24 = 360kW/h per day
* 8p per unit + VAT = 2880 + 504
= GBP 33.84 per day
= GBP 12351.60 per year.... ouch, that's a new rack every 3 years if you leave it turned off though

Damn I cant wait for the 2ghz dual cpu mini-itx boards... and a bunch of rich, obscure relatives to pass on and give me money >:)

And since this is slashdot... cue the 50 posts to correct and nit pick this post since it contains (bad) maths.

Re:For anyone interested... (2, Insightful)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270895)

VIA chips have crappy floating point performance compared to the competition, so this might affect cluster suitability.

These little boards would make excellent web browsing machines, or little web and file servers.

Imagine a beowu..... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9271154)

Ahh, c'mon....

You were all thinking it!!

zeke

Re:For anyone interested... (1, Funny)

normal_guy (676813) | more than 9 years ago | (#9271191)

So when you finally _do_ get the money and buy the rack of your dreams, you can fulfill your dead relatives' wishes - the top SETI team.

Re:For anyone interested... (1)

platos_beard (213740) | more than 9 years ago | (#9271211)

Do you really need a hard disk for each unit? Boot all those puppies from the lan and save your money for the electricity, which will still be high, but not as high.

Yeah but... (1)

Chordonblue (585047) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270566)

Where do you BUY this stuff from? I used to buy those VIA boards from New Egg but then they stopped carrying them. Anyone know why?

I really liked those things!

Re:Yeah but... (1)

Lispy (136512) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270613)

I get mine exclusivley from ebay. Just try to get a real new one with guarantee. Never had any issues. I really like the Epias and I'm still trying to convince my mom to let me build a sleak Epia based Linuxbox for her. Somehow she still thinks those things are expensive. Well, I can't blame her really, she never ever paid a single dime for a PC. All she ever uses is my last generation hardware. ;-)

Re:Yeah but... (1)

dknight (202308) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270677)

www.mini-itx.com

Has all the mini-itx related stuff you could ever want, and has a handy store too ;)

Re:Yeah but... (2, Informative)

kunudo (773239) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270700)

Forget mini-itx, I want to know when Nano-ITX [mini-itx.com] will be availible... I get the distinct feeling that it's a vaporvare promo trick... it's only 2/3 of the size of the mini-itx boards and 10x as useful/easy to put into things.... I want one :(

Re:Yeah but... (1, Funny)

Cpt_Kirks (37296) | more than 9 years ago | (#9271032)

VIA had them out in public at E3. I want one BAD.

The only problem is they HAVE NO PCI SLOT! There is a miniPCI slot, but what's that good for? I want a miniPCI TV Tuner so I can make a tiny PVR. I found one here [lifeview.com.tw] , but it looks like vapor.

I can go USB, but USB tuners have a reputation for sucking.

And now VIA is pushing a new Grace platform that is supposed to be even SMALLER than nano-itx...

Re:Yeah but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9270763)

I used to buy those VIA boards from New Egg but then they stopped carrying them. Anyone know why?

I posted that question ages ago and someone called Newegg to ask them. Apparently they were losing too much money on them. Lots of people returning them because VIA's hardware/drivers can be a bitch to get working properly (unless you know what you're doing).

I don't care for VIA hardware myself. Too many issues and stuff that doesn't work right. I like Mini-ITX though, I wish there were more players on the field (imagine Intel Mini-ITX hardware; rock!).

Re:Yeah but... (1)

metamatic (202216) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270791)

Bizarre, I had no problems getting my M10000 system working... except sound, which just needed the 2.6 kernel to be released with working ALSA. No driver issues at all.

Re:Yeah but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9270901)

but you're talking about a Linux system.. That does that take some skill to set up in the first place (needed 2.6 kernel, etc).

Think of the average consumer setting up a VIA machine with Windows and not having a clue (eg. "Why the fuck doesn't the sound work right?!").

A lot of VIA's stuff is just substandard. It's OK, but not great. And their drivers are not much better than the crap ATI turns out.

Re:Yeah but... (2)

Cpt_Kirks (37296) | more than 9 years ago | (#9271102)

Since I'm using an ATI TV Wonder VE in my current mini-itx Toolbox PVR (built into a $5.99 K-MART Toolbox), I decided to run Win2000 on it.

I had NO PROBLEMS with getting the hardware to work. None. All the VIA stuff loaded and ran perfectly.

Since I've committed the Sin of admitting M$ use, I will go so far as to admit records the season finale of Enterprise on it last night...

Re:Yeah but... (1)

arivanov (12034) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270827)

Quite a few places. In Europe linitx.com. There are a few places in the US as well.

In btw, I may be mistaken, but I have some questions about the reality of the article as well as the integrity of the journalist who wrote it. The picture looks suspiciously like MII, probably the 600MHz version with the heatsink taken off the Eden on it. It has PCMCIA and cardbus and is C3 based. It is not the C5 motherboard described in the article.

Re:Yeah but... (1)

jonasmit (560153) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270979)

FYI. I contacted newegg a few weeks ago and they are working on carrying them. Not sure when but...

Better Yet,--Where do you get cheap cases? (1)

Nit Picker (9292) | more than 9 years ago | (#9271155)

Whenever I have looked for a case specifically designed for a Mini-ITX, they have been much higher than mini-tower ATX cases.

20 seconds (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9270574)

It takes about 5 seconds to press reply, copy and paste a thoughtful, well-written, spell-checked comment from a word processor window to a browser window, and press submit.

1.3ghz (2, Funny)

zackeller (653801) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270576)

1.3ghz should be enough for anybody.

Re:1.3ghz (3, Insightful)

Andy Mitchell (780458) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270870)

1.3Ghz should be enough for anyone but....

The VIA C3 had a rather poor floating point unit, so for apps that need it (e.g. 3D games) they do very badly.

Of course for playing MP3 or WMA files and office apps the older 533MHz (Eden 5000) version was nippy enough :-)

As far as I'm aware they havent improved the FPU yet. Someone let me know if I'm wrong. This armchair CPU designer would of liked to see them throw more silicon at this area.

Simply increasing the clock speed always generates more heat, a more complex FPU would only generate more heat if your making use of the FPU.

Controlling a fans RPM speed with CPU temperature is trivial so this makes a lot of sense.

Re:1.3ghz (1)

ThisIsFred (705426) | more than 9 years ago | (#9271282)

As far as I'm aware they havent improved the FPU yet. Someone let me know if I'm wrong. This armchair CPU designer would of liked to see them throw more silicon at this area.

Simply increasing the clock speed always generates more heat, a more complex FPU would only generate more heat if your making use of the FPU.


According to VIA's own benchmarks, you are correct, the FPU is still as terrible as in the old Cyrix chips. The emphasis seems to be on power consumption with these mini-ITX boards, and of course, there is always excess that ends up as radiated heat.

I looked into a mini-ITX set-up to build small firewall/NAT/proxy boxes for people. So far, the performance of the C3 makes me uneasy, and the prices can only be offset by the fact that their smaller footprint makes them convenient.

I figure that if a 200MHz K6-2 does the job for me at home (NAT only), I can get away with something on the lower end of the MHz scale. I'm still on the lookout for mITX boards that accept older mobile Pentiums, or perhaps AMD Durons if I need some horsepower.

oooh car (3, Funny)

millahtime (710421) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270584)

makes my dreams of building KITT that much closer to reality.

That is the Knight Industries Two Thousand

Re:oooh car (1)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270721)

Isn't that the car that tells you when you didn't bring enough flowers, because there are two girls in the house, instead of just the one you expected?

That's the only episode I saw. I loved the NES game, though. I beat it, once.

I have one of the earlier mini-iTX boards (2, Informative)

hattig (47930) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270591)

The EPIA-800 ... it is okay I suppose, it does what I'm using it for quite well (KDE on FreeBSD for work purposes, e-mail, light web browsing, SSH, etc). It suffers from being a first-gen product, the chipset is weak, and so on.

A 1.3GHz CN400 based board will be a lot more powerful, and should be more than enough for media applications that these boards are ideally suited for.

Re:I have one of the earlier mini-iTX boards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9271261)

I'm using a similar board, sporting a fanless 533 MHz, a passive power supply as well as an IDE to compact flash adapter.

It's wonderful, makes no sound at all, and I have no speed issues at all (probably because it's used as a dumb terminal, it connects to a more powerful server through the LAN) even when watching movies.

Now when the fanless version has been bumped to 1 GHz, and hardware encryption and random number generators have been addes, powerful silent computing without resorting to dumb terminals may finally be possible.

Still waiting for the nano-itx.. (5, Interesting)

Amgine007 (88004) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270610)

The Nano-ITX board [mini-itx.com] that they announced last year still seems to be the coolest thing around in terms of potential for off-the-shelf, single board computer projects.

I mean, it's only 4.7 inches by 4.7 inches! Of course I've never seen a price, but sell this thing in the $100 range and I'll take 3...

Re:Still waiting for the nano-itx.. (0, Offtopic)

zackeller (653801) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270651)

Imagine a beowulf cluster of these things! Get together fifty or sixty and you might have close to a real computer!

Re:Still waiting for the nano-itx.. (3, Insightful)

Smallpond (221300) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270785)

If you just want small size, use PC/104 at 3.6" x 3.8" (90mm x 96mm). You get limited CPU speed, but you can make a tiny stack of modules.

Re:Still waiting for the nano-itx.. (1)

Amgine007 (88004) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270889)

> If you just want small size, use PC/104 at 3.6" x 3.8" (90mm x 96mm).

Yeah, PC/104 is definitely cool stuff, but the problem with it for me has always been expense -- it seems more of a 'specialized' (vs 'off-the-shelf') solution. If the nano-itx is priced near the mini-itx (probably with a small premium at first), it would win both in terms of price and availability.

I bought an advantech SBC a few years ago, before there were any mini-itx boards readily available, and it set me back $500. A pure PC/104 solution is not much cheaper, last I checked, though they definitely have some neat modules.

Re:Still waiting for the nano-itx.. (3, Interesting)

jdray (645332) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270899)

I remember spotting a computer, probably a link off of LinuxDevices [linuxdevices.com], that was the size of a credit card. It was mostly SMT solder-down components with a mini-PCI-like card connector at one end that was used to connect to a daughtercard full of ports and whatnot. I went looking for it yesterday, but couln't find it. Any ideas? I wanted to imagine a Beowulf cluster of them, but needed a visual reference for aid.

Cool, but... (2, Interesting)

Kjella (173770) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270951)

...I really missed DVI or some other HDTV res output. I mean, what I want to use it for is a home theater kind of setup (with network disks, of course)... The Nanode [nanode.com] + an LCD TV... now that would be cool.

Kjella

DRM? (2, Interesting)

Atario (673917) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270614)

The latest C3 processor features an integrated AES encryption engine and two random number generators that work with the PadLock ACE software to perform user authentication, DRM, or other security operations in the background
[Cue orchestra]: DUN DUN DUNNNNN!!

Re:DRM? (1)

kunudo (773239) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270725)

Use linux, install or avoid installing drm drivers, it's your choice, at least for now...

Before you get your panties in a bunch... (4, Informative)

Kjella (173770) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270841)

...no, it's not Palladium/Trusted Computing etc. Basicly, what it has is an encryption accelerator, just like it has mpeg2, mpeg4 etc. acceleration. Why? Because the processor itself is a whimp.

It doesn't do anything else than what a plain 3GHz machine could do. DRM is one *application*, since most DRM'd content is also encrypted ;). But it might just as well be used to run heavy SSH connections or your encrypted P2P net of choice.

Kjella

You GOTTA read this: WARNING!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9270617)

I never post normally but you guys got to know what happened so it dont happen to you guys. So you can learn from my bad luck.

I'm a semi-regular slashdot reader, and I get mod points quite a lot. Monday was a pretty normal day for me in the IT department where I've worked for 2 years now. I'd finished my work, and am about to head to lunch when I cruise by Slashdot to see what stuff that matters there is, and I see I have mod points, right?

So I set my threshold to -1, and go into a newish article, and start modding. I see a couple of stuff that ain't funny and mod that. I see a couple of funny gags about clippy so I mod them up. My boss comes in half way through, so I stop what I'm doing and turn round and talk to him. After a few moments, I can see he's looking at the screen.

Now I hadn't really paid attention to where it was pointing, and it turns out it was on one of those GNAA posts. My boss asks me straight out, what the hells that, or something. I try to explain but he's not satisfied, he reads the word nigger and gay, and he's very dubious of me. He bumps it up to his superior. The next day, I'm sitting in a confrence room speaking to 3 senior boss's trying to explain how come I was viewing a race hate crime website in my work time. I say to them it was my lunchh break which they say is ok then i try to explain Slashdot's like the wild west, at a low level you get all sorts of crazy shit. I'm sweating like mad at this point.

To cut the long short, by today Thursday, I'm out of a fucking job. My fucking boss thinks I was posting or reading that shit, and now I've got to find something else in this shitty job market. What the fuck am I going to put on my resume about my last job? I get no fucking refrence at all for 2 years work. My fucking life has been totally ruined by these crapflooding bastards.

FUCK YOU TACO YOU AIN'T DONE NOTHING TO PROTECT PWEOPLE LIKE ME FROM THEIR HATE. cause I'm a regular reader, and HELP OUT YOUR FUCKING SITE I LOOSE MY JOB?? FUCK YOU. I AINT NEVER COMING BACK HERE

If your reading this, you gnaa fucks, FUCK OFF BACK TO KURO5HIT. If your laughing to yourselfs remember that it is NOT A COMPUTER GAME. I am in the shit now because of you, and I hope in your dead hearts you will suffer for what you have done to me. I am going to find out who you are and cut you down to size...I already started so you guys are fucking dead, here me DEAD i know loads of shit and i have the skills to take you down and i will use them all WITHOUT MERCY.

Re:You GOTTA read this: WARNING!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9270702)

Soo.. sad....

Re:You GOTTA read this: WARNING!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270770)

Whaddya talkin' about?

That's phucking awsome, on many different levels!

I wish I could still post annonymously...

Re:You GOTTA read this: WARNING!!! (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270778)

And you were too stupid to hit Window-L when the Boss came up to talk to you exactly why? Most of the time I feel for guys out of a job- but in your case, the wound is self inflicted.

Re:You GOTTA read this: WARNING!!! (0)

Mz6 (741941) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270846)

What do you mean? Window-L does nothing.. I think you mean Window-M to minimize everything quickly.

Re:You GOTTA read this: WARNING!!! (0)

ophix (680455) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270942)

windowkey + l locks the console on windows xp and windows 2k3

it is equivalent of hiting CAD then the enter key on windows 2k

Re:You GOTTA read this: WARNING!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9271018)

No OK your wrong you arrogant prick I don't use Winblow$$ HexP unlike you lamer and YOUR going on THE LIST too buddy WHAT'S YOUR IP? i will kikc your ass too. I was on a break cant you read? Dont make excuses for Taco he aint done shit and NOW I'M OUT OF A JOB. Fuck this website and fuck his "free speach" which lets hatecrime fuckers post their bile so HONEST people loose their jobs.

Self inflicted??? You arrogant prick, I bet you look at Slash at work you fuck and you don't help out with modding? I was 1)unlucky and any blame is on Taco and Gnaa I mailed Taco and he diodn't even reply. He doesn't fucking care about us, hes sold out whore. And you still lap it up. I put up my page with a picture of what you are here [geocities.com], so go look at it, pussy.

Re:You GOTTA read this: WARNING!!! (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 9 years ago | (#9271234)

Haven't got any mod points- or I would help out on modding.

The point is just about any operating system I know about has something that can be used as a boss key-Window M to minimize everything, Window-L to lock the workstation, even just CTRL-ALT-DEL to bring up the task manager, and that's just the Windows OS. Heck, pop up a full-screen CLI when the boss comes around. Even on a break- what you look at is your business, not your boss's. Never leave anything on screen when the boss comes around- it's always a bad idea EVEN WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT SOMETHING WORK RELATED.

Definately a PEBCAK there...you can't blame Taco for your ex-bosses being pricks.

Re:You GOTTA read this: WARNING!!! (0)

evdp (761639) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270946)

Well if you not smart enough to press windows+d when the boss walks up during your personal time... then perhaps you shouldn't be given a terminal at work.

VIA (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9270632)

VIA = poor quality oriental hardware.

Re:VIA (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9270790)

That's why Newegg stopped carrying that shit.

hard to find... but not that hard... (2, Informative)

anthonyrcalgary (622205) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270639)

I thought about getting one of the older ones, and my local place can order them in if you ask... try this with your local store. It's not worth hunting around online for a better price when shipping will eat the advantage many times over. With more expensive parts, it can be worth it but these things are cheap.

I imagine I'll get one when there's dual-NIC version. They're pretty tough to beat for firewalling. There's cheaper and lower power systems in existance, but you usually sacrifice quite a bit.

Re:hard to find... but not that hard... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9270821)

There is already:
CL series [viavpsd.com]

Re:hard to find... but not that hard... (3, Informative)

MoTec (23112) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270838)

There is an older dual-nic version, the
VIA EPIA CL-Series [linuxdevices.com]. It's only 600mhz but that's lots faster than the old compaq deskpro that i'm currently using for a firewall. I'm planning on upgrading to one of these in this [big008.com] or a similar case.

From what I've read, lots of people are using this motherboard for just this purpose.

Re:hard to find... but not that hard... (2, Interesting)

darrylo (97569) | more than 9 years ago | (#9271082)

If you only want to create a low-power firewall, take a look at the Soekris boxes [soekris.com], which are designed to run FreeBSD, Linux, OpenBSD, and NetBSD. Some models have three (3) lan ports, as well as (optional) PCMCIA slots (for wireless LAN applications). Most versions boot from compact flash (or a microdrive), but there's a version that supports a 2.5" IDE laptop drive (however, note that the optional case for the IDE drive version supposedly has poor ventilation, and so the drive supposedly runs hot -- see the mailing list below). The processors are a tad slow (100-266MHz 486-class processors), but they're generally more than enough for firewall/access point purposes.

There's a mailing list:

There's also, "m0n0wall", a FreeBSD-based firewall originally designed for the soekris boards:

I'm in the process of upgrading my home firewall to soekris/m0n0wall, although I plan on using an EPIA VIA M 10000 board for an home fileserver.

Athlon XP via chipset kt880 nowhere to be seen (3, Informative)

donfede (6215) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270736)

Interesting, VIA is announcing yet more new products... Yet, I've been looking for the past several weeks (and other posts on the Internet go as far back as Nov of 2003) for VIA's latest generation Athlon XP chipset KT880 via kt880 [via.com.tw]... yet other than VIAs website, it's nowhere to be seen!!!

mobo (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9270739)

If Mobo is short for Motherboard, I wonder if Harrison Ford calls his mom "mofo"

Re:mobo (-1)

lawngnome (573912) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270795)

I have to say, you nearly made me spew sprite on my monitor. Someone please mod parent up - if I had any points I would...

Re:mobo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9271156)

thats funny .. but old ford cars have FOMOCO stamped on parts ..

Ford Motor Co..

C3 isn't that cool. (1, Interesting)

Lord Graga (696091) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270740)

I've had a clean installation of Win98 on a C3 machine, and it crashes programs occasionally. Getting sound to work on the southbridge (VIA Eden 5000 mobo') is also hard, in Windows. I linux, there's no "neutral" kernel modules for the machine either. It's pissing me off.

I guess they have fixed some problems on this new one though...

PVR? (4, Interesting)

dostert (761476) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270761)

Has anyone tried setting up a nice small PVR with any of these? If you put like a Hauppauge 250 or another hardware encoding card in this, is there enough power for recording and watching TV at the same time? How about VIA's graphics? I assume I wouldn't be able to play FarCry... but will it be adequate to display DVDs on a non HDTV?

Re:PVR? (1)

vranash (594439) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270992)

Dunno about the TV, but I've got onna the M10K series chips/mobos and it runs DvDs pretty well if you don't have a lot of other programs running (at least in Linux, dunno about windows). Also, if you hunt around there's a new VIA-UNICHROME video driver out that does the mpeg2 acceleration I believe. Anyways, it seems faster to me using the 'experimental' drivers, and the version I have is relatively stable.

Re:PVR? (2, Informative)

Cpt_Kirks (37296) | more than 9 years ago | (#9271221)

I use an ATI TV Wonder VE with my M10000 board. Works fine for recording/playback, but forget about pausing live tv.

DVDs play fine, too. So does about every video codec I've thrown at it.

Re:PVR? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9271274)

nope nobody ever though of it.

not the MythTv people nor the Freevo people...

you are the first! Hurry! you had better patent it!

Question ? (2, Funny)

Jim Buzbee (517) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270839)

the whole board probably draws under 20watts running flat out.

For the ignorant among us, how does that compare to say the power consumed by a 20 watt night light? Is it the same?

Re:Question ? (1)

dago (25724) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270958)

It is pretty obvious from your post that your mind has been corrupted by the (ab)use of the imperial systems ;)

(the answer is they are equivalent)

Re:Question ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9271055)

For the ignorant among us, how does that compare to say the power consumed by a 20 watt night light? Is it the same?

(the answer is they are equivalent)


No, they're not.

A 20W night light consumes 20W, plus or minus almost nothing. A computer's current draw, however, is variable. The difference in power consumption between suspend mode and 100% CPU/graphics/audio usage could be a factor of 10. So I think it's that strange metric unit in the article called the "flat out" which is so confusing to some of us :). How about Max/Normal/Suspend Mode power consumption numbers?

Re:Question ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9271084)

Sorry. A 20W light bulb doesn't use 20W. It uses no more than 20W. 20W is max power use, not the actually power use.

Re:Question ? (1)

Bombcar (16057) | more than 9 years ago | (#9271052)

If running flat out continues, then it will draw exactly the same power as a 20 watt lightbulb. (1 kilowatt hour every 50 hours, about $0.08)

Re:Question ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9271097)

A Watt is a Watt. A 60Watt bulb draws 60Watts of power ALL THE TIME. A computer power supply might be rated for 450Watts, but that only indicates the MOST it can draw. Depending on your motherboard, processor(s), and accessories (HD, CD, PCI & AGP cards, etc), it usually will draw a lot less, like in the 200-300 Watt range. A big power supply just gives you room for adding more accessories.

A small (obvious) warning: if you have a 450 Watt power supply in your computer and are drawing > 400 Watts of power through it, get a second power supply and use it to power some of the hard drives and CD drives. It will lengthen the life of the power supply and drives (power supplies don't like running at close to max capacity for extended times, and when they start going flaking bad things can happen).

Google for "kill a watt" (with quotes) to see how much power your computer(s) are actually drawing.

Well... (5, Informative)

Kjella (173770) | more than 9 years ago | (#9271118)

...if you're an electrical engineer, no. The motherboard is probably reactive/inductive in some way, not purely resistive like a lightbulb. This means that the phase angle will be non-zero, and the true and apparent power of the circuit will be different.

...if you're talking about your electricity bill, then for all you could care, they're equal. 20W will be extremely close to 20W, regardless of what I said above. Personally I don't care much, since I live a place where most of the year have a space heater on...

Kjella

VIA Sux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9270844)

Sorry, but VIA is the last vendor I'd use to entrust my data. Any programmer would agree.

still waiting for nano-itx motherboards.. (2, Interesting)

dcstimm (556797) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270852)

its been like 8 months since they were announced but no one seems to have them!!

microatx still better (3, Interesting)

xlyz (695304) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270881)


unless you need a real compact design, microatx + mobile processor can deliver same low consumption and more power and expansion possibility

look for an Athlon Northwood to undervolt and it will be d*mn cheaper as well

Yes but (2, Funny)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270886)

Yes, but would it fit in a 5.25" slot?
Then I could have a beowulf cluser right there in my bigtower case.

Re:Yes but (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#9271094)

Nano-ITX would, but it seems to be vaporware so far.

Re:Yes but (1)

Cpt_Kirks (37296) | more than 9 years ago | (#9271254)

The last I heard from a VIA market-drone, they were supposed to ship in May. They better hurry their asses up!

They supposedly had working models at E3.

Only one catch.. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Meoward (665631) | more than 9 years ago | (#9270950)

I must agree with other posters: the VIA boards are most definitely the shit. And the older ones, like the V-8000A, are a steal. I currently have Fedora Core v1 + XMMS on mine; to make a long story short, lots of fun..

HOWEVER, do note that some VIA processors will advertise themselves as "686-compliant", when in fact their instruction set is missing 1 vital MMX instruction (SSE, I think). So do make sure your binaries are built for the 586. You'll thank me in the morning.

Re:Only one catch.. (4, Informative)

TeknoHog (164938) | more than 9 years ago | (#9271054)

HOWEVER, do note that some VIA processors will advertise themselves as "686-compliant", when in fact their instruction set is missing 1 vital MMX instruction (SSE, I think). So do make sure your binaries are built for the 586. You'll thank me in the morning.

MMX is a set of integer vector operations, SSE is the same for floating point. Neither of these implies 686; Pentium Pro was the first processor with i686 core, and it has neither of these instruction sets.

To complicate matters further, GCC's idea of i686 seems a little different than the official spec (whatever that is). AFAIK, AMD's K6 processors are i686, but programs compiled with gcc for i686 won't run on it. I think it's about the CMOV instruction; please correct me if I'm wrong.

Re:Only one catch.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9271207)

Luckily you can use the -march=C3 nowadays.

MythTV (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9271078)

Maybe with the higher clock speed and built-in MPEG-4 acceleration, a VIA Mini-ITX may finally have enough power for MythTV. The Mini-ITX form factor is great to have as you can make a small custom case that looks good in the theater room and doesn't make much noise (not much heat).

Question for you computer building hobbyist. (1)

StressGuy (472374) | more than 9 years ago | (#9271163)

I have a few ideas for computer designs, one of which is for a mobile computer. I know you can get just about anything you need for a desktop system but, it there anything available that would allow someone to design and build his own, battery-powered, mobile computer "off-the-shelf"?

Thanks,

Anyone have info on VIA's DRM support? (1)

Linus Sixpack (709619) | more than 9 years ago | (#9271195)

DRM support and control could be _the_ distinctive element between MOBO manufacturers. Most support and performance is similar enough that for good or bad Security/Corporate controls might be the biggest difference between mobo's.

Even radical differences like processor type and mobo size matter less to me than having my own control over my own computer.

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