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Slashback: Indy, Kaneko, Swindling

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the leaving-on-a-jet-plane-again dept.

Slashback 130

Slashback brings you another round of updates and clarifications to previous Slashdot stories. Tonight, more on L.L. Bean vs. Nordstrom-via-Claria, Raiders of the Lost Ark re-shot for a fan film, good news for publically available laws on the Internet, the SBC strike, and more -- read on for the details.

Can good money drive out bad at least sometimes? News for nerds writes "Following the earlier news about the arrest of the Winny P2P app creator, KANEKO Isamu, researcher at the U-Tokyo and well-known hacker in the 3-D physics simulation scene in Japan (His first public Winny demo by his anonymous alias '47' was the graphic simulation of the network topology), the group of software technicians separate from Kaneko's lawyers has raised over 10 million yen ($88,347) in 10 days for the lawyers. It claims "The situation of the activities that technicians usually carry out being deemed a crime all of a sudden and arrests being made is seriously shrinking software research and development.""

A minor setback to the oligarchy of lawyers. Ellis D. Tripp writes "The SCOTUS has refused to hear an appeal of a 5th circuit court decision declaring that building codes such as the National Electrical Code lose all copyright protection once they are adopted into municipal law. Under this ruling, such codes can be freely posted on the internet or otherwise distributed for free, rather than requiring contractors or other interested parties to purchase them at often exorbitant prices each time they are revised. The original defendant, Peter Veeck, was sued by Southern Building Code Congress International for making their "Intellectual Property" available on his website."

Why does it have to be snakes? ChrisHanel writes "A follow-up to a story ran on Slashdot last year: The legendary shot-for-shot remake of Raiders of the Lost Ark is screening next month at the first ever large scale Fan Film convention in Worcester, Mass. Tons of fanfilms and filmmaking workshops, and to get past the legal snafus, the fanfilms themselves are free to the public. A rare chance to check out this gem of a film."

Speaking of unconventional media origins, koa writes "This may be an Internet first: a mainstream television show spawned from a genuine internet phenomenon. Odd Todd will be piloting his own animated series on Comedy Central sometime early 2005 based off of his hit website. Press release here. Are we noticing an emergence of a new trend of media to look for original plot ideas from wilds the 'net?"

There is power in a union, evidently. XopherMV writes with the upshot (via Yahoo! News) of last weekend's strike at SBC: "The union wanted access to positions in SBC's emerging sectors, including Internet support and wireless data service. That work is now handled largely by lesser-paid contract workers, many of them in India and the Philippines. The tentative contract calls for SBC and the union to work together to bring the technical support jobs back to the United States when the current contract expires in two years.""

Trust me, ma'am, I was hired to fool you. Cold Drink writes "Part two of a previously Slashdotted story tells the tale of how social engineer Isreal was thwarted. When employees follow proper procedures, social engineers can be stopped dead in their tracks. Read on to find out how one person protected tens of thousands of dollars."

IWILL try to get one of these. We mentioned a few days ago a small dual-Opteron system promised from IWILL; many readers expressed skepticism about its internal configuration, memory slot allocation, power requirements, etc. An anonymous reader writes "it appears a lot of the questions have been answered in regards to the board and cooling configuration over at Hexus. They appear to have snapped some pics of this little beast."

That's awfully enterprising of Claria. gbulmash writes "Nordstrom Corporate Communications has composed an official response to complaints about L.L. Bean's allegations and is e-mailing it to customers.

I received the following letter:

'Thank you for taking the time to email Nordstrom with your concerns. We were disappointed that L.L. Bean did not contact us and allow us the opportunity to investigate this matter before they filed a lawsuit against us.

I would like to address your inquiry about Claria specifically. Nordstrom currently has no relationship with Claria and hasn't had a relationship with them since late 2001 when we tested their services for a 4-month period and concluded we and Claria were not an acceptable fit. To our knowledge, Nordstrom does not engage in the form of advertising described by L.L. Bean in the press. We have worked very hard to earn our customers' trust. We understand how important privacy is to our customers and we do not look to partner with advertisers that violate their privacy in any way.

Marketing on the Internet is a complex process and if our ads are in fact appearing on L.L. Bean's website, it is without our knowledge or consent. Please know that we are looking into this and will take appropriate action if we find the practice is in fact occurring.

Please know that we appreciate you as a customer and hope we will have the opportunity to serve you and your wife in the future.

Thank you again for your feedback.

Sincerely,

Deniz Anders
Corporate Communications
Nordstrom, Inc.'"

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Bush (-1, Offtopic)

Steve Enbalmer (783493) | more than 10 years ago | (#9272965)

Is beautiful.

Re:Bush (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9273019)


Only if you are going to screw it.

Re:Bush (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9273021)

Hey, I'm definitely voting for Bush this year, but the funniest political bumper sticker I ever saw involved his Dad:

"Lick Bush in '88"

Nordstrom... (4, Funny)

Kid Zero (4866) | more than 10 years ago | (#9272973)

Meaning: Didn't do it, can't prove a thing, and it was all his fault anyway.

top (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9272975)

finally at the top? yay!

This fan film will be priceless (1)

qaguru (777981) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273053)

Well, at least if Lucas and Spielberg reshoot "Raiders of the Lost Ark" with the entire central cast replaced by ewoks, and destroy the original negative.

Re:This fan film will be priceless (4, Funny)

Random BedHead Ed (602081) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273392)

Actually Lucas's plan is to replace the ROTL cast with Gungans, not Ewoks. Replacing them with Ewoks would be silly.

Mesesa see aspses - muy danger! Yousa go first, Indy-Indy.

And the guy with the sword will shoot first (1, Funny)

qaguru (777981) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273490)

And the guy with the sword will shoot first. Oh, the Humanity!

Re:This fan film will be priceless (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 10 years ago | (#9274079)

I hope Lucas would try it, just so spielberg will shoot* him.

*as in 'BANG!', not 'ACTION!'

"Winny" (2, Informative)

dancingmad (128588) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273056)

It's WinNY (based off WinMX), not Winny.

Re:"Winny" (3, Informative)

Mandoric (55703) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273822)

As someone who -uses- it, I'll note that it refers to itself as "Winny" and not "WinNY".

Re:"Winny" (4, Informative)

mistered (28404) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273841)

Actually, no, it's Winny. Have a look at the wikipedia article [wikipedia.org] or winny.info [winny.info] . The name is derived from WinMX, but the application itself isn't really.

Re:"Winny" (1)

MoogMan (442253) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273846)

I think thats just an argument with the semantics. Yes, its based from WinMX, but I think the name is in fact, "Winny" as is shown from the titlebars of the screenshot.

Re:"Winny" (1)

B4RSK (626870) | more than 10 years ago | (#9274556)

Chigau! Zettai ni onna no hou ga tsurai!

(To translate that for the non Japanese speakers out there... In dancingmad's .sig it says "Men are cruel/unkind." My message above says "Wrong! There is absolutely no doubt that women are much crueler/more unkind than men!")

w00t 5th post (0, Troll)

jedi98629 (544161) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273057)

w00t w00t

"publically"? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9273077)

It's "publicly", you insensitive clod!

Raiders of the Lost Ark fan film (2, Interesting)

Doctor Ian (452190) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273084)

As it has passed the legal mess to get shown at this film convention, then I hope that bodes well for some sort of wider release (perhaps in some non-profit form?) Otherwise I don't think I'll ever get a chance to see it, being over in the UK.

Lawyers and IP (4, Insightful)

PotatoMan (130809) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273088)

I notice the lawyers have no trouble understanding that a law cannot be anyone's property. Now if they'd just apply that logic to patents on software ideas, mathematical methods and aggregations of facts.

Re:Lawyers and IP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9273112)

What's the correct word for "lawyerocracy", because that's what we seem to have now - rule by lawyers, rather than rule of law.

Re:Lawyers and IP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9273286)

Ararcho-tyranny [jerrypournelle.com] .

But the Citations are... (3, Informative)

jayrtfm (148260) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273296)

http://www.legalbits.com/thornton-CITATION-comment s.htm

Re:But the Citations are... (1)

matrix0f8h (320909) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273892)

From the linked text:
In many jurisdictions, law practice is now being carried out with at least a half dozen competing versions of appellate decisions including print, online, and CD-ROM. Because of these changes, there has been growing pressure on those ultimately responsible for citation norms, namely the courts, to establish new rules that no longer presuppose that some one publisher's print volume (created over a year after a decision is handed down) is the key reference.

Very interesting paragraph! To me this boils down to:

Is an argument judged on similiar arguments or on the merits of the argument itself?

This text seems to imply that unless law is opensource then we're fucked. I agree.

Re:Lawyers and IP (1)

lothar97 (768215) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273448)

As an IP attorney in the US, I share your beefs about the extent of patent protection in the US. Patent law is being influenced too much by big companies in the US. Copyright is a little different.

According to the Copyright Act of 1976 [copyright.gov] , the United States cannot copyright works created by the U.S. government. Individuals may freely copy from almost any federal government publication, with some exceptions including materials from the Postal Service and reference data provided by the Secretary of Commerce. Items free from copyright include laws, tax forms, and vidoes promoting the amazing new medicare changes. State and local governments can copyright their materials.

what's the score on.... (1)

zogger (617870) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273712)

.. patents created on the governments nickle, both in house and via sub contractors? Who actually owns them, and who can use them, and when?

Uncle Sam's choice (2, Informative)

lothar97 (768215) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273815)

Depends. Uncle Sam can keep the rights (doesn't happen that often), or give it to who makes it- but Uncle Sam gets a free license to use it. Verbage needs to be included in the patent application: "This invention was made with government support under (grant/contract number) awarded by (institute, agency). The Government has certain rights in the invention." Uncle Sam would be able to retain worldwide patent rights as well. Could this perhaps be a nice way to generate some revenue to cover our deficit? (source: NIH [nih.gov] )

Re:Uncle Sam's choice (1)

zogger (617870) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273980)

you would think so, that they would license it, dual license perhaps. Yes, it could be sold to cover some bills. Maybe fund the patent office, get more examiners and hand each a bucket of clues. That would sure help! I guess it would depend on the patent how I would feel about it. I think if it had the possibility to be of serious major public good they should just release it to qualified entrepeneurs inside the US for the patent period, see what new jobs could come out of it. It IS tax payer funded after all.

Thanks for the reply, I actually never thought of them getting patents, just sorta slipped by my radar there.

Where does the funding go? (1)

lothar97 (768215) | more than 10 years ago | (#9274394)

The USPTO charges decent size fees for filings, responding, etc. They money goes into the general Treasury fund, and then Congress reallocates it back to the USPTO. Most often, the USPTO gets back a lot less money than they actually take in- a real source of contention.

Laws != Property? This Lawyer Doesn't Know! (4, Insightful)

cmholm (69081) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273524)

I notice the lawyers have no trouble understanding that a law cannot be anyone's property.

Unfortunately, at least one attorney at Thelen Reid & Priest hasn't completely figured this out, yet. Mr. Patry lays out both sides of the argument, but IMO fails to draw the logical conclusion. As Patry sees it, the facts are these:

Governments are outsourcing to cut costs.

Rather than charge government huge flat fee to write boilerplate regs, private authors are opting to charge citizens for copies, asserting their copyright.

If government asserts the power to punish those who do not obey the law, ready and free access to that law is essential.

Governments can't seize copyright except in bankruptcy (ed: or national security).

Mr. Patry concludes copyright holders shouldn't get screwed by the quaint 19th century notion that "the law is free", and should be allowed compesation, thereby making the crafting of laws cheaper for the tax payer.

My conclusion would be that public access to it's own laws trumps other interests, and the consequenses should flow from there. If it's expensive to write a boat load of regs, then either 1) a government should pay the going rate to rate 'em, 2) governments can go in together to buy rights to the regs they need, or 3) if it's that fscking expensive, maybe they're introducing too many regs... do without!

Re:Laws != Property? This Lawyer Doesn't Know! (2, Interesting)

gregmac (629064) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273877)

3) if it's that fscking expensive, maybe they're introducing too many regs... do without!

Supply and demand. Lawers are expensive because they're needed. If you stop writing laws because it's too expensive, someone will see an opening and offer to write laws for cheaper (since it's better than 0). In order to compete, the rest of the lawyers drop prices accordingly. Eventually, some start to bump them up as they get busier.. rinse and repeat.

Re:Laws != Property? This Lawyer Doesn't Know! (2, Interesting)

Smidge204 (605297) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273933)

To play devil's advocate:

The public is not being denied access to the law, there is simply a fee for obtaining a copy of it. There is a very important difference. The law IS free (as in speech), just not gratis. If it was gratis, as Patry points out, the overall cost would likely be much higher for everyone.

Of course, John Q Homeowner can't do squat with building codes anyway. At least in NY, you need to have a state license (PE, RA, licensed contractor/installer, etc) to get any kind of valid construction permit. If you're not licensed (or have not retained someone who is), then what you will be building is basically illegal anyway and chances are you won't give a hoot about codes. For example: Erecting a shed, putting a small addition on your house, building a deck, installing a pool, putting up a fence, etc.

=Smidge=

No, godammit (4, Insightful)

A nonymous Coward (7548) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273997)

It is fscking incredible that anyone would think it reasonable to be governed by laws that you have to pay to see. It's bad enough to have that idiotic phrase floating around, "Ignorance of the law is no excuse" when there are so many convoluted twisted laws added every day that you have little hope of understanding without a paying a lawyer, and even then it's a crapshoot who wins, but to add to that the idea that you have to pay even to see the law at all, that is just beyond belief.

Re:No, ??dammit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9274338)

Lysander Spooner?
something like 70% of federal laws have been created in the last 30 years!
are you really bound to the tax code? has or can any single person really read and understand the full thing? sure.

there are a few flaws in our republican gov't. one of the biggest ones is that many laws should have expiration dates. this may only seem apparent as of late since so many laws are written to undo bad effect of previous laws.

Re:No, godammit (2, Interesting)

WoodstockJeff (568111) | more than 10 years ago | (#9274760)

... there are so many convoluted twisted laws added every day that you have little hope of understanding without a paying a lawyer, and even then it's a crapshoot who wins ...

Just today, I was re-reading a commentary on a 2001 case involving work place law. The case involved a claim that a company's work place rule prohibited employees from using abusive or sexually suggestive language (put in place in order to comply with regulations holding employers for the actions of employees that might cause a "hostile work environment") constituted an "Unfair labor practice", in that preventing racial and sexual slurs had a "chilling effect" upon labor negotiations. This charge was brought by a union trying to nullify the results of an unsuccessful unionization vote at the company, using the claim that, because many union organizers have difficulty speaking to management without calling management "bitches" (one company rep was a woman) and a slew of other names offensive to just about any ethnic, sexual, or religious minority.

The National Labor Relations Board agreed, and nullified the election, as well as imposing fines for the ULP.

It was, of course, appealed by the company. The judges reviewing the case were perplexed; could the NLRB representative come up with a work place rule that would comply with both the regulations and the NLRB's rulings on those regulations? He was unable to... because the rulings made no sense.

The regulations themselves aren't really in conflict. But they're so vague as to make it possible for conflicting rulings, which happened. The NLRB seems (according to the author) to rule whichever way favors current labor interests on the "hostile" vs. "unfair" issues.

Meant to check into how it was resolved... The commentary (from 2001) was written while it was still being reviewed.

Re:Lawyers and IP (1)

aweraw (557447) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273592)

Forgive my ignorance, but are you for real when you say that MATHEMATICAL METHODS can be patented? That seems to outrageous to be true...

Re:Lawyers and IP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9273842)

yes [cyberlaw.com]

Fuck Nordstrom (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9273094)

NEIMAN MARCUS FOREVER!

Real gems are just too hot for tv (4, Interesting)

t_allardyce (48447) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273098)

Are we noticing an emergence of a new trend of media to look for original plot ideas from wilds the 'net?"

Yeah but the really good stuff just wont get shown by the pussy US networks. Can you imagine Trey Parker and Matt Stones "Princess" cartoon even being looked at by the tv execs? When macromedia saw it they were pretty pissed off (they had made a deal for a new cartoon). do a google for it its brilliant!

Warning, it's really horrible (5, Informative)

XanC (644172) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273248)

Princess [trioplus.tv]

No, its funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9273590)

If you didn't find it funny its because you've never been married. Frickin' dead-on.

Re:Warning, it's really horrible (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 10 years ago | (#9274208)

Thanks, now, who has the version I can download without registering and giving away any of my personal information?

I didn't have to register... (1)

XanC (644172) | more than 10 years ago | (#9274247)

Maybe it's a browser thing?

Re:Real gems are just too hot for tv (3, Funny)

dont_think_twice (731805) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273422)

Yeah but the really good stuff just wont get shown by the pussy US networks

How do I get the pussy US network?

Re:Real gems are just too hot for tv (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273548)

Exploitive erotic channels such as Playboy TV [playboy.com] are on digital cable or digital satellite.

Re:Real gems are just too hot for tv (1)

dont_think_twice (731805) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273900)

Exploitive erotic channels such as Playboy TV are on digital cable or digital satellite.

Just so we are clear, does Playboy exploit the women who pose or the idiots who pay for it?

Re:Real gems are just too hot for tv (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9274190)

does Playboy exploit the women who pose or the idiots who pay for it

I had free Playboy TV for a couple of months when I moved (before the cable TV company realised they'd made a mistake and were giving me more channels than I'd asked for). It was interesting for the first couple of nights, but after that it just got really, really boring. Kind of pathetic actually. I think it's absolutely not worth paying money for. Plus I've never really liked the "retarded barbie" look that 99% of the women on there have - women with brains (preferably also athletic) are far more attractive.

And I wouldn't think it exploits anyone - getting paid to take your clothes off doesn't sound like a terrible gig to me. Heck, I'd do it if anyone actually wanted to pay a skinny 30 year old computer freak to do so. If the payer and the payee are happy with the arrangement, where's the harm in it?

Re:Real gems are just too hot for tv (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9274808)

does Playboy exploit the women who pose or the idiots who pay for it?

For the record, the latter.

Internet = TV (3, Interesting)

Chris Pimlott (16212) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273100)

Some might argue South Park beat them to it. Sure, it wasn't originally made for the Internet, but its popularity once it hit the net surely was a big part of them getting a show.

But if you don't think that counts, Tripping the Rift [scifi.com] definately should.

Re:Internet = TV (1)

Brettt_Maverick (780722) | more than 10 years ago | (#9274020)

Does "Undercover Brother" count? A movie, not TV, but based on animated web shorts nonetheless.

Re:Internet = TV (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9274370)

lest ye forget Under Cover brother from UrbanEntertainment.com. from flash to film. I still think Dave Chappel would have made a better UCB than Eddie Griffin.

Anti-Social engineering (4, Interesting)

FS1 (636716) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273103)

First off, if the first theft of merchandise had been an actual theft, and not a test. They would have not known about for at least a couple of hours, if ever. Leaving plenty of time for him to complete a second or third attempt.

The thing to look at here is that without that phonecall (which in all likelyhood would not have occured if this wasn't a test) the second attempt would have likely succeed. Also another point to know is not all stores have loss prevention people working at them all the time. In fact i could name several stores in my area that do not have them present at all.

Anybody with enough brain power and the ability to think on their feet can accomplish feats like this. In most stores the incompentence of the employees makes me laugh. There have been many instances where i have stopped attempts like this in my previous jobs, and unfortunately some where procedure prevented me from doing so.

Re:Anti-Social engineering (1)

Politas (1535) | more than 10 years ago | (#9274784)

On the other hand, without him knowing about the phone call, he would have tried the same thing as the previous store and been caught because of the phone call.

I suspect that what he tried to do would have failed even without the call. Cash rooms tend to get much better security than warehouses.

Re:Anti-Social engineering (1)

beat.bolli (126492) | more than 10 years ago | (#9275054)

I suspect that what he tried to do would have failed even without the call. Cash rooms tend to get much better security than warehouses.

Yeah, but he tried the cash room exactly because he knew that the same thing as before would fail. He had to come up with a new plan quickly and went for the unexpected.

Screw Norstrom (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9273123)

NEIMAN MARCUS FOREVER!

South Park and "The Spirit of Christmas" (5, Informative)

Valdrax (32670) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273126)

This may be an Internet first: a mainstream television show spawned from a genuine internet phenomenon.

Nope. The popularity of the short film "The Spirit of Christmas" once it spread across the Internet was what led to Comedy Central asking the creators to make South Park. Without the Internet, they'd be languishing in obscurity.

Re:South Park and "The Spirit of Christmas" (3, Informative)

Phexro (9814) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273362)

And don't forget Tripping the Rift [trippingtherift.com] .

Re:South Park and "The Spirit of Christmas" (1)

Monkelectric (546685) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273400)

Also, the Sealab 2021 Episode "The Fusebox" was a fan script.

Re:South Park and "The Spirit of Christmas" (1)

magefile (776388) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273499)

That was a fun show. Not "great", but fun. It's off the air now, though - or at least I haven't seen it. Anyone know where I can get DVDs?

Re:South Park and "The Spirit of Christmas" (1)

generic-man (33649) | more than 10 years ago | (#9274099)

Sealab 2021 is still shown on Sunday nights, occasionally. The new season premieres July 20, the same day the first batch of DVDs [amazon.com] hits stores.

Re:South Park and "The Spirit of Christmas" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9273455)

Wait... They have the Internet for computers now?

Re:South Park and "The Spirit of Christmas" (1)

stubear (130454) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273535)

"The Spirit of Chrostmas" was really pre-internet and was spread around via VHS tape. When "The Spirit of Christmas" was released the internet was still largely on 14.4K dial-up at the high-end, with most still using 9.6k modems, and Netscape was barely past v1.0 and video over the internet was still quite a ways away. I remmeber getting a copy from a friend and nearly pissed my pants laughing so hard at this really irreverant animation.

Re:South Park and "The Spirit of Christmas" (1)

mute47 (686568) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273607)

And not made the horrible Orgasmo and Baseketball.... Thanks a lot, internet...

Worcester? (4, Funny)

pyrrhonist (701154) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273135)

The legendary shot-for-shot remake of Raiders of the Lost Ark is screening next month at the first ever large scale Fan Film convention in Worcester, Mass .

Being a former Worcester resident, I found this odd for three reasons:

  1. Worcester got mentioned on /.
  2. The event is in Worcester instead of Boston.
  3. Something is actually happening in Worcester.

Oh, and before you ask, it's pronounced "Wuss-tah" not "Whore-sesster".

That being said, please come! It'll be a hoot if lots of /. readers show up!

Re:Worcester? (1)

linzeal (197905) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273406)

You have plenty of good community theater I've been through those parts a few times.

Re:Worcester? (1)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273488)

Being a former Worcester resident, I found this odd for three reasons:[snip]
Something is actually happening in Worcester.

That's not unusual. What's unusual is that they cancelled the MONSTER MONSTER MOOOOOONNNNSTEEEERRRRR truck show that SUNDAY SUNDAY SUUUUUUNNNNDAY to make room.

Oh, and before you ask, it's pronounced "Wuss-tah" not "Whore-sesster".

My favorites are "wust-er-shire"(it aint' the sauce, folks) and "wor-chest-her"/"wor-chester".

Outside New England... (1)

lothar97 (768215) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273497)

the rest of the world calls it "wus-ter." Hear the lovely lady at Webster say it here [webster.com] .

Did somebody say Whore? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273575)

it's pronounced "Wuss-tah" not "Whore-sesster".

Yes, as in Worcestershire sauce. However, which city is whore-sesster? Where can I get some of that action?

Re:Worcester? (1)

His Nastiness (542696) | more than 10 years ago | (#9274095)

I always prefered Worcester's nickname "Wormtown"..no truer words have ever been spoken.

Re:Worcester? (1)

nazgul000 (545727) | more than 10 years ago | (#9274244)

"Worcester... the Paris of the 1980s." Official civic booster tagline back when...

I know Odd Todd (-1, Troll)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273167)

He's really really odd. Flabby too, bad bod. He's an atheist, no god. Huge prick, I don't mean his rod. Smokes grass but the fucker calls it sod. Eats peas from a pod, and mixes them with cod. Works for the DOD. If you say he's weird he'll just nod.

Re:I know Odd Todd (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9273640)

Wow, the moderators are really really harsh tonight. I think you should have gotten modded funny.

Raiders remake (4, Informative)

jaysones (138378) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273192)

If you get a chance to see the Raiders of the Lost Ark remake, you must do it. I saw it earlier this year at a film festival in Mississippi. Everyone in it is between around 12 and 16. Not just everyone in it, but everyone involved with it! These kids were resourceful in a way only kids can be and dangerously so. They literally set their parents' basement on fire and dragged each other behind a truck, all for love of a movie. The movie itself came out great, but there's this excellent metatheater aspect to it, where you set away and think "how the hell did 13 year olds DO that?!" They also (slightly) visibly age through the movie, which is funny when you notice it. This was one of the most fun movies I've ever seen, don't miss it!
Also, they revealed that Paramount bought their story and plans to make a movie about the kids making this movie!

Re:Raiders remake (1)

TerryAtWork (598364) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273618)

Why the Hell can't we get this on the net? are they afraid people might ENJOY it or something?

Re:Raiders remake (1)

ChrisHanel (636741) | more than 10 years ago | (#9274889)

Part of the agreement the three made to get their life story made was to keep the remake out of major distribution for legal reasons. They have screenings pretty rarely, but they're out there. Thus why this showing in Mass is such a big deal.

Nordstrom didn't do it? Maybe the affiliates did? (2, Interesting)

dave7e9q (773402) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273209)

So the fellow from Nordstrom says that they are not buying the pop-up ads on the LL Bean site. OK.

A quick Google search for "nordstrom affiliate" shows that Nordstrom has a 5% affiliate program.

So perhaps all the "affiliate sites" are the ones buying the pop-up ads?

Re:Nordstrom didn't do it? Maybe the affiliates di (1)

hpa (7948) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273235)

"Affiliate programs" seem to be a common ways for companies to launch spam/spyware/etc without dirtying their own hands these days...

"social engineering" == insult to engineers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9273262)

How dare slashdot legitimize criminal deception as 'social engineering'? Enginneers build stuff, and this scum only cares about breaking stuff! Unlike real engineers, this fiend has absolutely no regard to public safety!! Slashdot editors should describe this fraudulent criminal exactly the way it is instead of using PERVERTED TERMS INVENTED BY CON ARTISTS to justify deceit and treachery!!!

Re:"social engineering" == insult to engineers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9273300)

Yeah, why should con artists have all the fun? I mean, I actually wanted to join politics and build a better society using engineering principles. But thanks to moronic Slashdot editors, I am being treated like a fraud, and my dream is ruined! CURSE YOU, CMDRTACOBELL!!! Next time if you wonder why dumb laws get passed, that's because it's ALL SLASHDOT'S FAULT!!!!

Re:"social engineering" == insult to engineers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9273410)

You think it's just your career gone bad? How about the staff members who work for a real Department of Social Engineering [titech.ac.jp] ? Not only the reputations of the workers and students are ruined, the whole Tokyo Institute of Technology shares the blame for all these security exploits!

That's another bunch of lives ruined by a perverted team invented by criminals, and thanks to slashdot, no technically proficient folks are going to join politics for the fear of being charged with 'social engineering'. Needless to say, slashdot staff members are as much as responsible for US government passing dumb laws as corporate lobbyists.

Can't go to Worcester (2, Interesting)

xenotrout (680453) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273266)

Does anyone know how to see the fanfilms being played at fanzillacon without going to Worcester? They are being played for free...but no recording is allowed. It's unethical and illegal to sell these films...but are electronic copies being given away somewhere? I didn't see any downloads on the fanzillacon website.

Re:Can't go to Worcester (1)

ChrisHanel (636741) | more than 10 years ago | (#9274388)

A lot of the fanfilms being shown are available at Fanfilms.com [fanfilms.com] for download.

odd tod... hrm... (2, Funny)

A Life in Hell (6303) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273288)

does this mean we'll also soon get a badger badger badger show?

with julia roberts as the snake?

Dual Opteron Memory Arangement? (3, Informative)

MBCook (132727) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273329)

I saw those pictures the other day. The system looks very cool, but I'm a bit worried because it looks like the second processor has NO memory, and that's it's all on processor 0. While the second processor can use that memory (of course because it's an NUMA system), I'm worried about how much of an impact that would have on performance. I would think that having each processor have one channel of memory (if possible) would have much better performance than give one processor two channels and the other none.

Can anyone shed any light as to how this might perform?

Either way it's a cool achievement, and the little "fin" on top is a wifi antenna, which is cool.

Re:Dual Opteron Memory Arangement? (1)

TheRealFoxFire (523782) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273562)

Fetching memory from the other processor does add latency, and consumes some bandwidth. But the added latency is on the order of 15ms, which combined with the architectures already low latency (due to the onboard memory controller), still puts it 20ms or so faster than the P4 memory interface. So don't sweat the latency.

The bandwidth is of somewhat greater concern. This is essentially the same setup as the traditional x86 architecture, where all access to memory occurs over a shared bus (in this case, the hypertransport link between CPU0 and CPU1). So again, no worse than the SMP systems of yore (better actually because of reduced latency and the faster hypertransport link).

Re:Dual Opteron Memory Arangement? (1)

Kiryat Malachi (177258) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273672)

You mean ns, right, not ms?

Re:Dual Opteron Memory Arangement? (1)

complete loony (663508) | more than 10 years ago | (#9274303)

In the duel opteron review that was posted here a while ago, they ran all tests on motherboards with only one memory bus, as previous tests with Windows XP had demonstrated no benefit to having a separate bus. And the opteron systems still beat the pants of the other systems tested for memory bandwidth hungry processes.
Obviously two memory channels would be a bonus for 64 bit linux or 64 bit XP (When or if it ever comes out) but until 64 bit XP is out I doubt you'll see too many good reviews of duel memory channel systems.

Re:Dual Opteron Memory Arangement? (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 10 years ago | (#9274892)

Perhaps you could actually provide a link to this review you speak of? Or at least explain why a 64-bit OS would make any difference at all in the utilization of memory channels. All the benchmarks of memory-intensive applications that I have seen on opteron and athlon64 vs athlonFX reviews show otherwise.

Re:Dual Opteron Memory Arangement? (3, Informative)

complete loony (663508) | more than 10 years ago | (#9274911)

not the OS exactly, though 64 bit processing should be an improvement. It's more to do with XP not knowing how much it costs to read from the memory attached to the other processor.
heres the link [techreport.com]
Quote:

"I committed further crimes when I chose the MSI K8T Master2 motherboard for testing the Opteron processors. The Master2 only has DIMM slots hanging off of one of the two CPU sockets on the board, cutting off the second processor's ability to talk to a pair of DDR400 DIMMs via its built-in memory controller. Tyan's Thunder K8W has the magic combination of an AGP slot and a "full" dual Opteron memory configuration.

In my defense, there are some good reasons why I committed such heinous acts. The Thunder K8W showed us its eye-popping memory bandwidth potential in our recent Opteron workstation motherboard round-up, but it was only able to realize that potential with the 64-bit beta of Windows XP. Right now, there is no workstation-class version of Windows available, outside of early beta versions, that understands the non-uniform memory access (NUMA) configuration of Opteron systems, so much of the K8W's memory bandwidth goes to waste. This reality, combined with the fact that the K8W doesn't tolerate aggressive memory timings well, caused the Thunder K8W to lose out to the K8T Master2 in many of our performance tests. So I decided to go with the K8T Master2 for our purposes. Of course, future versions of Windows with NUMA awareness and 64-bitness should give dually Opteron systems a big boost over their present incarnations. Had we more time with the Opteron 250 prior to its launch, we might have been able to test with a 64-bit version of Linux on the Thunder K8W. No doubt that could be scary fast."

Lawyers && IP (3, Interesting)

OYAHHH (322809) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273408)

What,

The world needs is a DMCA compliant method to copyright something that lawyers/politicians need real bad. Or maybe a patent...

Access to prescriptions or something similar would work.

Then they would see the craziness that IP law is evolving into and want to do something about it.

Hopefully they would do something that would prove to be discriminatory against the general populace and the whole blooming IP mess could be stricken down by the Supreme Court.

Any ideas?

Re:Lawyers && IP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9274445)

The world needs is a DMCA compliant method to copyright something that lawyers/politicians need real bad. Or maybe a patent...

Can we copyright/patent money?
"a device to represent in a standard and protected manner the value of an object or any other valuable possesion"
umm...
No, we can't. Money is the ONLY thing a politician or a lawyer really needs (power is just a consecuence). We're fucked up.

Re:Lawyers && IP (1)

WoodstockJeff (568111) | more than 10 years ago | (#9274886)

The world needs is a DMCA compliant method to copyright something that lawyers/politicians need real bad.

Check out WestLaw [westlaw.com] . The base data is public domain, i.e., court records. WestLaw and its competitors charge big bucks, though, for collecting it, cross-referencing it, plugging in who cites what it in their cases, which rulings have been overturned or or narrowed by later case law, etc.

In the case of the National Electrical Code, the situation is reversed. A private organization [nfpa.org] codifies "best practices" for its membership in a number of areas, and publishes these as copyrighted works, available to those members. It also makes those available to the general public, although at what some consider an inflated price. The NEC and other "reference publications" of the National Fire Prevention Association aren't laws or regulations themselves. And they don't start out in the public domain.

It's when every damn little town in America (that includes the U.S. and Canada) uses those publications as references within their laws that things get sticky. If they wrote their own regulations, THOSE should be in the public domain, but they usually don't. Should the private organization lose its rights because the city council of Balderdash Springs votes to "incorporate, by reference, the standards of the [insert year here] National Electical Code" into its building codes, rather than writing their own set? I don't think so. But, this may be a case in which having a (reasonably) consistant national standard for compliance would override the interests of the copyright holder...

good for the commo workers! (1)

zogger (617870) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273429)

Shows what you can do if you play fair, but tough. They are apparently taking a raise that is under inflation rate-good for the econony, inflation must slow down to keep a strong buck. If everyone did that, we could completely beat inflation. They made an issue of outsourcing and won, good. We already have a 50 state common economic market, it's called the "united" states, every buck saved and spent here gets recirculated many times, another plus for the economy as a whole and maintaining a strong middle class. And SBC re looked at the figures and realised by golly they could still stay in business, and not play follow the leader to some globalism miasma-con that is only believed in by international mega-profit skimmers. I hope many other unions follow suit, and I keep hoping for an ever larger uber-union that would possibly include almost all IT-type workers, nation wide. You CAN win, just takes strength in numbers and being realistic in your negotiations. Ask for only what's fair, and work hard once you get what you want. win/win overall.

Re:good for the commo workers! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9273460)

Of course, now SBC will have an excuse to raise the rates. Don't get me wrong, I think unions can be a good thing, but I think closed shop states are a bad thing. It's the ultimate in racketeering in closed shop states.

Re:good for the commo workers! (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 10 years ago | (#9274236)

I'm pretty sure SBC ran the numbers before they ever outsourced, and though they knew they could stay in business without outsourcing, the lord high mucky mucks knew that if they outsourced they could stuff a lot more money into their already swollen pockets, those greedy fucking assholes.

I understand that people are in business to make a profit, but when you get there by firing the people who got you there because you can make more money if you do, you can go to hell and burn, and I mean that from the bottom of my heart.

Re:good for the commo workers! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9274878)

The funniest part of this for me is the posturing that SBC did before the strike. Every article you read quoted some stiff from SBC saying how there would be absolutely, positively, NO impact to the customer.

I happen to work for SBC. The part in the article were it says they outsourced to contractors, that is me, though I am not in India or the Phillipines. Aside from how useless my indian counterparts are due to the language barrier (and no matter what a bean-counter tells you, there IS a language barrier), we had no access to several departments due to the strike.

Maintenance and initial setups have been delayed, some by as far as a few days. I think SBC saw what this could do if they decided to do it again, and it scared the hell out of them. They had to close down certain depts. I can't transfer some calls that need to be transferred, because those departments are trying to catch up to what was missed.

Not necessarily the first.. (3, Insightful)

karmatic (776420) | more than 10 years ago | (#9273479)

"This may be an Internet first: a mainstream television show spawned from a genuine internet phenomenon"

I don't know how much it takes to be a "phenomenon", but Tripping the Rift [trippingtherift.com] certainly had a large number of people see the "FCC-Unfriendly" first episode (the one with the actual bared breasts, not just all the references to them).

Flash cartoons on TV (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9274062)

Are we noticing an emergence of a new trend of media to look for original plot ideas from wilds the 'net?"

Nothing new here, Masjanja is a russian flash cartoon that ran (or maybe is still running) on Russian MTV instead of Beavis & Butthead, that was like two years ago.

More info on Masjanja here:
http://www.mult.ru , its in russian, though : ]

Re: Odd Todd (2, Interesting)

X-Nc (34250) | more than 10 years ago | (#9274146)

> Are we noticing an emergence of a new trend of media to look for original plot ideas
> from wilds the 'net?"

Show business needs to look somewhere for original plot ideas. They most definitely have none in Hollywood nor with the studio Exec's in NY and FL. There is so very little decent, quality programming on TV. And in movies it's almost not worth owning a VCR/DVD player, or a TV for that matter.

I have the fortune of having a 7 year old son. It's just him and me picking our own entertaimment. For that reason I tend to watch a number of cartoons on Nick and the Cartoon Network. He loves "Spounge Bob" & "Kids Next Door." I can watch them with him but I don't get the same enjoyment from them as he does. However, there is a block on the Cartoon Network now called "Migusi [cartoonnetwork.com] " which airs from 1700 to 1900. We watch "Totally Spies", "Code Lyoko", "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" and "Teen Titans". Code Lyoko is really fun and out there. The Turtles have always been a hoot and the Teen Titans are just plane cool. Not to mention their theme song is by Puffy AmiYumi [sonymusic.co.jp] .

As for moview, we have the majority of the Godzilla collection and the first three Tremmors movies (still need the 4th one). Got a number of Pokemon and assorted cartoons (not to mention the virtually manditory Disney movies). My personal movie collection, i.e. the ones daddy gets to watch, are about half F&SF and half Kurosawa/Mifune/Shimura films and their like (CT/HD & The Last Samuri being the most recently made). We'll just skip over the videos in the box on the top shelf of my bedroom closet for now. ;-)

What was I talking about?!? Oh, yeah! That the "entertainment industry" is full of brainless idiots who wouldn't know a good story or show if it hit them in the head.

Re: Odd Todd (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 10 years ago | (#9274249)

Oh, yeah! That the "entertainment industry" is full of brainless idiots who wouldn't know a good story or show if it hit them in the head

Just one paragraph before this you are willing to admit that you bought tremors 2 and 3 and now you're complaining about the quality of product being produced by hollywood in this day and age?

Here's a hint, if you keep slurping down what they throw in the trough, the recipe ain't going to change.

47 (1)

sharph (171971) | more than 10 years ago | (#9274603)

is this the same 47 who made that video with DJ Spooky (that subliminal kid!)
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