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Flash 7 for Linux Released

CowboyNeal posted more than 10 years ago | from the long-time-coming dept.

Software 471

molarmass192 writes "Looks like Macromedia has finally made good on their word and provided Linux with a current version of Flash player. Improvements over Flash 6 include a speed boost and support for SOAP. Here's the requisite download link. I took a few seconds to get it set up and the response is noticeably snappier than version 6. In particular, the audio/video sync problems in version 6 seems to have been taken care of. Now, I wonder where they hid that Shockwave player for Linux?"

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SOAP (1, Funny)

Hot Summer Nights (771962) | more than 10 years ago | (#9274997)

Many Linux users really could use a good dose of soap.

Finally! (5, Funny)

mrbarkeeper (560018) | more than 10 years ago | (#9274998)

Looks like those Linux users finally get all the fun [google.de] .

Re:Finally! (1)

gerbick (624657) | more than 10 years ago | (#9275038)

What I don't get is why they're making a big deal out of the SOAP availability. It was present in Flash Player 6.0... at least on the Windows/Mac side.

Re:Finally! (1)

jobsagoodun (669748) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275214)

Maybe they've made it work this time. We abandoned a project in flash 6/MX/SOAP because it was too hard to get it to work reliably. The visual tools were very nice, but it became deeply confused very quickly - especially if you changed an interface. Maybe they've sorted that out.

Now if only... (5, Insightful)

Atrax (249401) | more than 10 years ago | (#9275000)

... they'd release the authoring tool in a Linux version?

Re:Now if only... (3, Funny)

cujo_1111 (627504) | more than 10 years ago | (#9275023)

It works under WINE :)

But seriously, is there enough of a market to justify the cost of a code port to Linux?

Re:Now if only... (5, Insightful)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 10 years ago | (#9275034)

".. they'd release the authoring tool in a Linux version?"

Hate to sound like I'm trolling here, but in order to get Macromedia to make authoring tools for Linux, you guys gotta prove you're willing to buy it. All this free-software movement probably puts the taste in a lot of people's mouthes that nobody wants to spend money on software.

Re:Now if only... (2, Interesting)

Atrax (249401) | more than 10 years ago | (#9275059)

Yes, but I think Flash designers/developers are in a Catch-22 there. Many would switch if Flash were available for Linux, I'm fairly convinced.

Re:Now if only... (3, Insightful)

Vengeful weenie (627760) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275210)

I'm more than happy to pay, if I get my money's worth. Plunking down large bucks on enviroments that turn out to be limiting, for poor support? That's just dumb.

Look, the difference is that with most open enviroments, your have many ways to get the job done. On most closed systems, there's one way, the way one group of programmers decided.

The expectations are higher & the code needs to be better, more flexible and more reusable. I want to generate flash from all sorts of files and data. I want to have filters that can be piped into, and out from. I want command line and GUI options, so I can use cron and X. That's software value.

Re:Now if only... (4, Insightful)

spektr (466069) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275228)

Hate to sound like I'm trolling here, but in order to get Macromedia to make authoring tools for Linux, you guys gotta prove you're willing to buy it.

Maybe they should ask Oracle whether anybody buys high quality software for Linux if they don't know. Some years ago this would have been a pretty good troll, but nowadays...?

Re:Now if only... (4, Informative)

Majix (139279) | more than 10 years ago | (#9275057)

They're working on a Flash authoring tool called Flex [com.com] that runs on Linux. The plan is to run it with Wine though, but I guess it's better than nothing. Now we just need Adobe to get with the program.

Re:Now if only... (1)

Atrax (249401) | more than 10 years ago | (#9275072)

I was about to mention the photoshop issue, but I kinda drifted off the subject a little.

the companies are not going to port unless there's a likelyhood that thaey'll shift units, and of course they can't shift units while flash coders and photoshop users are locked in to win/mac

Re:Now if only... (3, Informative)

gerbick (624657) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275109)

Flex is a $12k server based Flash tool, not the more friendly $500.00+ utility like the Macromedia Flash IDE. 'tis not the same thing. It's a start though.

Re:Now if only... (3, Informative)

nametaken (610866) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275118)

I do author in Linux. Just, using PHP + Ming SWF Output library. Sure, it's nothing near a real authoring environment... and DEFINATELY has it's drawbacks... but it gets me by. http://ming.sourceforge.net/

Hmmm (5, Funny)

FannyMinstrel (656700) | more than 10 years ago | (#9275001)

Now, I wonder where they hid that Shockwave player for Linux?

/dev/null

Re:Hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9275067)

That's the filename for write, it's /dev/random for read.

Re:Hmmm (3, Funny)

B2382F29 (742174) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275176)

That's the filename for write, it's /dev/random for read.

Actually that would be the place where windows longhorn is stored, for Shockwave, check /dev/zero

Re:Hmmm (1)

FannyMinstrel (656700) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275255)

I implied that they put the linux version of the player.

Hopefully others will follow suit... (1, Redundant)

BodyCount07 (260070) | more than 10 years ago | (#9275003)

One can only hope that other companies realize the benefits of releasing products for the Linux platform.

Re:Hopefully others will follow suit... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9275012)

Yeah man, I've been waiting for a Solaris version that runs on lunix for quite a while now...

Flash + Wine is on its way, they claim (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9275004)

Apparently they are working to make future versions of Flash Wine-compatible. It may not be a Linux version, but it's not a Windows version, either. It's a Wine API version. That's pretty cool. Of course we would all prefer native binaries, but having something certified as Wine-compatible is in some ways even better in the short term, because it validates that as an option for all the other Windows software companies. Making something Wine compatible is usually fairly simple.

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Re:Flash + Wine is on its way, they claim (3, Insightful)

dadragon (177695) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275114)

That is a good idea. But I'd really like to see them make a version with source available, so I can build it on FreeBSD, or any other unixy operating system. If that happens to be a winelib compatible version, I'd still be happy.

Re:Flash + Wine is on its way, they claim (1)

schmidt (69858) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275121)

What does it take to make a Windows program Wine-compatible?

Re:Flash + Wine is on its way, they claim (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9275179)

" Wine API " - is that the APIs that that other MS-windows keeps copying?

Good news (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9275014)

But we must be honest here, Linux is still the begger feeding off the scraps outside of Microsofts mansion. To be a truely attractive package on the desktop, and to stop those darn google zietgeist trolls from being strangely accurate, this must change.

Also available as package (5, Informative)

Gtz (18854) | more than 10 years ago | (#9275017)

It's also available as packages for all major distributions from here. [mplug.org] .

Re:Also available as package (4, Interesting)

Eivind (15695) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275220)

Is the installer otherwise similarily brainless ?

I used the rpm for Mandrake 10.0, and the EULA came with a new, and previously atleast for me unseen level of stupidity:

It had a freaking timer in the lower-rigth corner counting down from 15 seconds and being labeled: "Time left until auto-decline"

Offcourse it can easily be proven in a court of law that it is not humanly possible to read, understand and click accept on the eula in such a short time. Thus it's no longer the case, as is typically the case that the user agreed to an eula, *choosing* not to read it.

No, it's *enforced*, to install the program you *have* to accept an eula without being given any possibility of reading it.

It's probably not a stretch that idiocy like this will further weaken the already more than questionable legal force of terms stated in eulas.

stupid installer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9275245)

Oh dear, this is really stupid. This is the typical idiocy of free as in herpes software.

Re:Also available as package (3, Informative)

Yokaze (70883) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275251)

Every time you scroll the license, the counter is resetted to 240 seconds.

Still, the counter is somewhat questionable, as it puts the user under pressure, without haveing a positive effect I can think of.

Read the EULA? (5, Interesting)

jcuervo (715139) | more than 10 years ago | (#9275022)

1. You may not make or distribute copies of the Software, or electronically transfer the Software from one computer to another or over a network.
Just DOWNLOADING it violates the EULA.

Re:Read the EULA? (1)

Hello this is Linus (757336) | more than 10 years ago | (#9275048)

..but you still downloaded it, didn't you?

Re:Read the EULA? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9275065)

Why did this get a troll? It's a good example of how stupid terms get thrown into EULA's all the time.

Another good example is NVIDIA's driver EULA. Apparently, you can only have one copy of the NVIDIA drivers installed, even if you have more than one NVIDIA vidio chipset.

Re:Read the EULA? (4, Insightful)

iCEBaLM (34905) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275180)

No, uploading it does, as the EULA states that YOU can't distribute it, doesn't mean they can't.

Re:Read the EULA? (1)

-noefordeg- (697342) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275212)

Isn't 'uploading' the act of activly uploading something (put data) to someone, while downloading is when you actively download something (get data) from someone.
So someone uploads something to one server so others can download it, at their leasure.

Because, if not, the first thing I would say if RIAA knocked on my door would be: Hey! They uploaded those movies to me! I didn't do anything.

Re:Read the EULA? (1)

Talthane (699885) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275213)

No it doesn't. An EULA is a licence for you, the end user, which tells you what you can do once you've got the software. It doesn't place restrictions on whether or not you can acquire the software; in fact, it can't, because you haven't yet agreed to the EULA in the first place.

Re:Read the EULA? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9275254)

From US Code, Title 17, Chapter 1, Sec. 117: (btw, IANAL)

(a) Making of Additional Copy or Adaptation by Owner of Copy. -

Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an infringement for the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of another copy or adaptation of that computer program provided:

(1) that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in the utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine and that it is used in no other manner...

The law works around stupid terms like this one.

Now You Can Look At My Site! (-1, Troll)

dnahelix (598670) | more than 10 years ago | (#9275025)

Shameless Plug [oz.net]

Re:Now You Can Look At My Site! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9275063)

..and boy is it ugly! ;)

Now if only they'd fix the bloody menus. (1, Informative)

JessLeah (625838) | more than 10 years ago | (#9275026)

The context-sensitive menus in the Flash plug-in on ALL platforms seem to have some major issues. You right-click over a Flash animation in a Web page, and sometimes you get the ability to change the quality... sometimes you don't. Sometimes, all you get is a useless "options" screen that lets you change things like microphone volume and camera (!!!???) settings, but not things like, oh, speaker volume or video quality. I've seen this problem in Mozilla for Linux and in IE for Windows. WTF up with that?

Re:Now if only they'd fix the bloody menus. (2, Informative)

ntrktv (780138) | more than 10 years ago | (#9275062)

its not the flash player, its the website designers that disable zooming in/quality control etc, so stupid users wont messup the site by zooming it in or messing up the quality.

Re:Now if only they'd fix the bloody menus. (1)

canon006 (651202) | more than 10 years ago | (#9275075)

When the author "publishes" the flash movie, they can check off a bunch of features to enable or disable, most likely that's the cause of the discrepancy. That's just my guess though.

Re:Now if only they'd fix the bloody menus. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9275095)

The menus can be programatically controlled by the Flash designer.

Some designers opt to not have the menu show up in their Flash, and set this in the containing page's source code.

So if you a menu doesn't pop up on right click, it isn't Macromedia's fault, its how the web designer wants it to be.

Re:Now if only they'd fix the bloody menus. (1)

JessLeah (625838) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275110)

I don't care. It's MY computer and MY speakers, and I (not some snot-nosed punk with a copy of FrontPage and a warezed copy of Macromedia Director) have the right to change MY settings.

Re:Now if only they'd fix the bloody menus. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9275124)

Use your fucking mixer program to override the settings made by the plugin. What kind of a retard are you?

Re:Now if only they'd fix the bloody menus. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9275157)

This is a serious annoyance on a slow machine. Sometimes 'low' quality is better than 1 frame per minute, and anyone changing the setting knows it won't be as purty.

Um, Dude (1)

ErichTheWebGuy (745925) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275105)

It's not the player, the authors intentionally disable that functionality. Hence, getting rid of the ability to do so would be alienating their developer customer base.

Engaging in such practices usually mandates a buyout by Microsoft beforehand.

Re:Um, Dude (2, Insightful)

JessLeah (625838) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275195)

It's not the developers' computer. It's MY computer, and a lot of my hardware is "old" and CANNOT HANDLE anything higher than "Low Quality"! And not giving me a freaking VOLUME KNOB is absolutely ridiculous.

SuSE Works (5, Interesting)

managementboy (223451) | more than 10 years ago | (#9275032)

Tried the install package on SuSe 9.0 and works like a charm. The only drawback is that the user needs to know where their mozilla/firefox is installed. Works noticably faster than before (I also have the feeling that it eats much less CPU time). Next improvement: no flash at all! ;-)

Re:SuSE Works (1)

Gtz (18854) | more than 10 years ago | (#9275060)

Try the rpm package from this site [mplug.org] . I haven't tried SuSE, but on Mandrakelinux, the rpm post install script detected the right directories to install to.

Some games to try it out (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9275035)

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Have fun

Needs more work, still (5, Interesting)

etymxris (121288) | more than 10 years ago | (#9275036)

By chance I downloaded the newest version as I was reinstalling everything else too. But it still has "jerks" whenever I play a flash game. My slower windows box doesn't have this problem. The problem is reproducible on all three of my linux machines, no matter the processor speed. It makes it especially difficult to play a game like this [eu.org] since there are unexpected jerks in movement.

Re:Needs more work, still (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9275066)

Works for me fine on a PIII 800Mhz (pluss .oggs in the background of course). I'm using kernel 2.6.5 though, that may be making a difference.

Re:Needs more work, still (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9275136)

Sorry, it plays flawless for me. Running kernel 2.6.x.

Re:Needs more work, still (1)

etymxris (121288) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275190)

My system:
Linux linux1 2.6.3-7mdk-i686-up-4GB #1 Wed Mar 17 15:17:23 CET 2004 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux

It only happens after I play a few rounds of Pingu, but then it happens without fail. I'm not even close to maximizing the CPU, so that's definitely not it. I'm running MDK 10.0, but I had trouble on 9.x as well.

What's your system?

Re:Needs more work, still (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9275174)

Seriously, talk about one gigantic dissappointment. I spent about 20 minutes wrestling with debian installer so I didn't have to create all the links myself (would have ended up being faster, but after 5 minutes I just wanted to get that crappy script to work.) After all that work, I fired up one little game, and absolutely no noticeable difference. What'd they do just change the version numbers?

Re:Needs more work, still (1)

Kaali (671607) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275224)

For me it's the browser that makes all the difference. I haven't updated my flash. But it works full speed on Mozilla/Firefox, but for example with Epiphany it is slow as hell.

Misnomer title (5, Informative)

diwadm (765932) | more than 10 years ago | (#9275039)

Flash 7 for Linux Released I almost jumped in joy thinking that Flash will be released natively for Linux. Flash is the application itself, Flash player is the standalone player and web browser plugin. Oh well.

Sweet!!! (0, Offtopic)

ErichTheWebGuy (745925) | more than 10 years ago | (#9275047)

Now that is a great first step. Now once we get Dreamweaver, I can deploy Linux to all of our developers. Let's face it guys, Dreamweaver pays for itself (depending on usage, and in my case) after about 3 weeks. Mozilla composer and Quanta pretty much suck. Composer can't support frames, and Quanta, well, do I really need to go there??

I guess, in summary, HURRY UP with Dreamweaver!!!

What about PPC flash player? (2, Interesting)

strider_starslayer (730294) | more than 10 years ago | (#9275050)

Where is my PPC flash player? Where oh where is it!?!

Does it finally exist? I do so hope....

What about never ? (2, Insightful)

theefer (467185) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275097)

And the Linux/Arm one ? And the Linux/alpha one ? etc.

This is the proprietary magic : you just don't have the control or the possibility to see them come unless Macromedia themselves choose to release one.

A simple and good reason not to use neither encourage or support this kind of proprietary, non-standard format.

Re:What about never ? (1)

strider_starslayer (730294) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275133)

I agree, yet I do not agree.

Some companies by nature of needing to make a profit will want to keep the 'family jewels' locked up- to my knoledge flash dose not use any copyright encumbered compression schemes or patented techniques to do what it dose- if they made the source open some other company would snatch up there product and release there own version, possibly forkig what is currently a very fixed and ordered standard

That said- multi-platform languages like Java were MADE for this sort of scenario- you just write your code in Java/python/ruby/perl whatever, and the local execution program will make it run on whatever arcetecture/OS the person has- so I guess what I'm really saying is- Hey macromedia, make a Java/pthon/ruby version of flash so tht we can ALL be happy!

Re:What about never ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9275189)

"make a Java/pthon/ruby version of flash so tht we can ALL be happy!"

*shudders at the mere thought of the incredible speed that could be possible*

Re:What about PPC flash player? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9275132)

here [apple.com]

wow, its great to see linux updates! (1)

dcstimm (556797) | more than 10 years ago | (#9275052)

now only if others would follow their footsteps, come on AOL, please release a real version of AIM, not that gtk1 POS, and come on Apple release iTunes for linux! Oh well thank god for wine..

Re:wow, its great to see linux updates! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9275122)

gaim.sourceforge.net

why not use that?

No PPC version again I fear (2, Interesting)

tuxzone (64722) | more than 10 years ago | (#9275056)

No PPC version again I fear. At least I couldn't find it.

Bummer!

Please can we GNU/Linux on PPC peeps have one too (5, Interesting)

niks42 (768188) | more than 10 years ago | (#9275061)

I've had many emails passed back and forth with Macromedia tech support .. there are versions for most Unix implementations, and MacOS 9 and X .. but not for Linux/PPC *sigh* .. it wouldn't be that difficult to run just one more compile, would it ?

mod parent up (4, Interesting)

ErichTheWebGuy (745925) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275090)

The parent poster has an excellent point. If these developers write quality code, and I have no reason to suspect that they do not, why not drop a few hundred bucks on a single PPC box that you can start a GCC make on, and let it run for a week if need be?

At the very least, you would have an excellent testbed. AND, IIRC, the US Navy is moving to PPC/Linux. Imagine the wargames... Flash/Shockwave Battleship!!!

Macromedia Sales: Would that not make it WAY easier to land a HUGE contract with the Defense Dept?

Re:Please can we GNU/Linux on PPC peeps have one t (2, Insightful)

latroM (652152) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275203)

It is the problem with non-free software.

Whoa... (4, Funny)

bersl2 (689221) | more than 10 years ago | (#9275076)

props to Macromedia on this one.

It's made it through (currently) six repetitions of Badgers with excellent synchronization (as opposed to version 6 not even making one). Hell, everything's so crisp and fluid... it's beyond further words.

Re:Whoa... (2, Funny)

FryGuy1013 (664126) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275162)

badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger MUSHROOM MUSHROOM!...

Re:Whoa... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9275209)

what's Badgers?

Re:Whoa... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9275269)

http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/ [badgerbadgerbadger.com]

This is a GOOD thing?????? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9275080)

Flash goes onto my PC when Bill Gates becomes known for good. So much crap is done in flash and ads.... the ads!

Crap Websites!

Awful animations!!!!

You really think its a GOOD selling point Linux can access these? I always said one of the reasons to use Linux was you dont get assaulted with this crap.

Not a chance.

Re:This is a GOOD thing?????? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9275127)

f' flash! power to the people! I luv having advertisers suck up my cpu... what about Solaris?

A Speedup Trick... (5, Informative)

ajayrockrock (110281) | more than 10 years ago | (#9275081)

Has anyone tried this speedup trick in other distro's? I doubt that it's Gentoo specific:

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=176167 [gentoo.org]

The gist of it is setting an environment var:

export FLASH_GTK_LIBRARY=libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0

People in the Gentoo forum are claming massive speed increases when viewing flash. I'm about to go try it now...

--Ajay

Re:A Speedup Trick... (0, Troll)

bersl2 (689221) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275116)

I tried it. I think my performance regresses.

Re:A Speedup Trick... (1)

a24061 (703202) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275139)

The best speedup trick is to install the Flash-Click-to-play extension so you don't download Flash objects unless you need to use them (shoddy sites that require Flash for navigation) or want to (Viking kittens).

Re: With version 7, this trick is no longer needed (4, Informative)

zero0w (572225) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275142)

This trick is no longer needed after upgrading to version 7. The plugin will work fine with both gtk1 and gtk2 version of Mozilla / Firefox.

Re:A Speedup Trick... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9275151)

It's not necessary for Flash 7.

Can't use it :( (5, Interesting)

Per Wigren (5315) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275085)

It's nice to see companies supporting Linux, but unfortunately I can't use it until they make a amd64-version since 64-bit browsers can't use 32-bit plugins..

The Linux kernel can run 32-bit code but can't link to 64-bit code so to have a 32-bit browser I'd have to also have 32-bit versions of all the libraries it depends on, and their dependancies, all the way down to glibc and ld.so.. Not worth it.

Is it possible to run isolated 32-bit code inside a 64-bit program? Something like an exec32() libc-function or something? To make 64-bit Mozilla run Flash and make 64-bit MPlayer load win32-codecs.. I'm sure you'll have to make some kind of wrapper-code to convert int-sizes etc when sending/getting data from/to the library, but would it be possible at all?

Re:Can't use it :( (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9275148)

That is one of the pitfalls of rushing into new technology. Unless you have to, why get a 64 bit x86 chip? Wait until its matured and theres actually apps for it, otherwise, its useless.

Re:Can't use it :( (1)

Too Much Noise (755847) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275158)

Is it possible to run isolated 32-bit code inside a 64-bit program?

no. It has to be launched as a 32bit binary, so that the kernel puts the process into virtual 32bit mode.

The only option you have is to install in parallel a 32bit version of Mozilla/MPlayer/etc that will be able to load the plugins.

Flashblock? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9275101)

Will this break my Flashblock [mozdev.org] extention for Firefox, if I install it?

Still not syncs completely (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9275104)

This could of course just be me but it seems that the sync of video/audio is still not exactly right. I tested it by running this clip http://www.cybermoonstudios.com/8bitDandD.html but alas it didn't work. perhaps I should remove the v.6 plugin first. Oh well.

Nothing to wonder ... (1)

turnin (698827) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275117)

Nothing to wonder even if they(Macromedia) starts to work with FireFox floks for doing something beyond the plugin stff. The technology landscape is changing!

Debsux (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9275135)

Does Debian even have graphical support yet? Seems like a longshot for you debian morons to have flash 7, when the best animation you know MIGHT be a animated gif....in black and white.

BSD? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9275138)

Where's the FreeBSD version? Where's the OpenBSD version? Where's the NetBSD version?

No, Seriously. . . (3, Insightful)

Farley Mullet (604326) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275149)

Why would you want it?

Flash is internet pollution. (X)HTML is lighter-weight and thus faster, more accessible for people with disabilities, and just generally less crap. Plus, Google can tell you about the content of (X)HTML pages, but nothing, from Google to grep, can parse the content of a Flash movie. Flash has a nice little niche for silly animations and games, but it has become a cancer on the web as a navigation and content-presentation interface. An increase in its reach isn't something to celebrate.

oh, gee, i don't know why you'd want it (1)

SweetAndSourJesus (555410) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275181)

oh wait, there's a fucking shit ton of sites that use it.

other than that, i don't know why you'd want flash.

i'm so happy! (4, Insightful)

lingqi (577227) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275165)

Now, you know, I can finally view tomshardware.com in its full glory.

Now seems a good time to introduce flashblock [mozdev.org] . Very ironic, isn't it?

yayyyyyyy (1)

Vacant Mind (449927) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275172)

let's all go get drunk then watch newgrounds hurrahhhh

IRIX version? Open Source? (4, Insightful)

green pizza (159161) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275187)

This is one of the few times you'll hear me honestly ask "is it open source?" I ask because I would love to see an IRIX version of this for my Silicon Graphics Octane workstation, and I know it's not going to happen otherwise. The IRIX world is stick at version 5 with few alternatives.

Yeah, yeah, I know, flash sucks. But sometimes you need to have it to visit certain sites. Sure beats having to fire up my PC just o look at the newest movie site.

And yes, SGIs are oldschool. But Octanes are pretty cheap on eBay and are becoming common with we hardware collectors (if you're not that type, you probably know one... house full of computers with at least one working Amiga and probably a NeXT cube too). And it makes for a great main workstation!

It is for x86 GNU/Linux, remember that. (5, Insightful)

latroM (652152) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275198)

"Looks like Macromedia has finally made good on their word and provided Linux"

GNU/Linux works on various platforms although the x86 port is the most common. I don't see x86 anywhere in the announcement, do you? If we had the source we had the freedom to compile it on any arch and OS we wanted to. A proprietary software package isn't a contribution to us if our goal is freedom.

Re:It is for x86 GNU/Linux, remember that. (-1, Flamebait)

black mariah (654971) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275262)

Shut the fuck up. Not every goddamned motherfucking piece of software has to be free. Get the fuck over yourself already. This isn't fucking MIT, this isn't a fucking VAX. This is the real fucking world where real people make real money to pay for real things through software. Get the fuck over yourself. Either use it or shut the fuck up.

How lovely (1, Insightful)

Tuvai (783607) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275204)

Flash is a lead lined cudgel with which talentless unfunny people can flesh out their poorly designed and impossible-to-navigate websites. (or, if they're really talentless, they just ship them off to sites like newgrounds.com) I have personally lost count of the number of times I've had my browsing experience ruined by an annoying as hell flash banner ad spawning in the middle of my screen, or a homepage so slowed and crippled by flash that I left and never returned.
Of course this isn't the only problem, trolls such as the GNAA are known to use this in their browser crashing Shock Sites [wikipedia.org] . Which force users of MSIE to end the entire process to stop the endlessly respawning windows. And this is just the tip of an iceberg of security issues.
As a result of this (and this "last measure" especially) I decided to abandon windows altogether and become another convert to *nix. So I think you can forgive me for not celebrating the porting of this pesterware to Linux, nor will I be letting it anywhere near my linux box. Regular banner ads are annoying enough thank you.

Where's the source? (0, Redundant)

beeblebrox87 (234597) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275241)

Why must we download this sort of proprietary crud just to view webpages? What benefit does Macromedia gain from hiding the source to Flash from its users? How would we view flash pages if Macromedia went bankrupt tomorrow and you couldn't download the player anymore? (The EULA states that only Macromedia and their partners can distribute the player.) Why to we tolerate this sort of closed-source code, with who knows how many security vulnerabilities, running (I believe their installer runs as root?) on our Linux systems?

I flat out refuse to download Flash until Macromedia releases the source code. Any site that relies on such proprietary software is not a site I want to do business with or use as a source of reliable information. If you care about Free software, I urge you to do the same, and refuse to install Flash until the source code is released.

Re:Where's the source? (3, Insightful)

Herrieman (167396) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275246)

Please disconnect from the internet immediately.

It's impossible that your connection to Slashdot or whatever is only accomplished through "Free" software.

I could'nt find any chage (3, Interesting)

santhu (689833) | more than 9 years ago | (#9275248)

Mozilla with flash player 7.0 opens the flash animations, in the same way as it used to do with flash player 6.0. I could'nt find any difference with the new plugin. If somebody could tell me a way to find the difference, it would be great.
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