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MandrakeMove 2 And Mandrakesoft Profit Reports

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the value-added-adds-value dept.

Mandriva 102

Mad_Rain writes "Two new developments in the Mandrake Linux camp: For the beta-testers and live-cd crowd, MandrakeMove 2 (which is based on Mandrake 10) is undergoing beta testing. 2.6 Kernel anyone? Financially, Mandrake seems to be improving, as they cite a report from EuroLand Finance about how they compete with Red Hat or SUSE, at least in the marketplace (as opposed to on the desktop)."

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102 comments

THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING ! (-1, Troll)

ThinkAboutYourBreath (735770) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310162)

Hello, and THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING

Yes that's right, THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING. Why you might ask? Well it's simple!

Your brain usually takes care of breathing FOR you, but whenever you remember this, YOU MUST MANUALLY BREATH! If you don't you will DIE.

There are also MANY variations of this. For example, think about:

  1. BLINKING!

  1. SWALLOWING SALIVA!

  1. HOW YOUR FEET FEEL IN YOUR SOCKS!

  1. THAT ANNOYING SONG THAT GETS STUCK IN YOUR HEAD!


In conclusion, the THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING troll is simply unbeatable. These 4 words can be thrown randomly into article text trolls, into sigs, into anything, and once seen, WILL FORCE THE VICTIM TO TAKE CARE OF HIS BREATHING MANUALLY! This goes far beyond the simple annoying or insulting trolls of yesteryear.

In fact, by EVEN RESPONDING to this troll, you are proving that IT HAS CLAIMED ANOTHER VICTIM -- YOU!

MandrakeMove (0, Offtopic)

Lane.exe (672783) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310167)

I like this live CD better than Gentoo or Knoppix because of it's ability to store config files and such on keychain USB drives. That's really helpful, so I don't have to download Firefox on every computer I boot up on.

Re:MandrakeMove (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9310223)

I've never used MandrakeMove so I don't know how it's done but I know that you can store your /home partition(which is where your setting are kept well most of them anyway) on a USB keychain with Knoppix.

Re:MandrakeMove (1, Interesting)

JoeShmoe950 (605274) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310230)

Actually, Knoppix will. I don't remember the exact details, but you need to do it from the command line. If that scares you, use linux a little more and it won't. Personally, I had trouble getting Mandrake Move 1 to work, but I'll try out two. Knoppix does do a good job with the USB drives if you look it up though. Give it a try some time.

Re:MandrakeMove (4, Funny)

crackshoe (751995) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310397)

wheres condescending +1 when you need it?

Re:MandrakeMove (1, Interesting)

IceFox (18179) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310263)

Just curious, but what website do you use that Konqueror doesn't work at all with that would require you downloading firefox in knoppix every time? I have been using Konqueror for my main browser for quite a long time without any problems. It certainly handles things just fine especially for instances when you are doing quick knoppix booting...

-Benjamin Meyer

P.S. Oh and it can save to a USB keychain.

Re:MandrakeMove (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310514)

Maybe not everyone likes Konqueror, regardless of whether it renders well or not. For example, I prefered Firefox to it because of the interface and design philosophy. In fact, I even use Firefox on my Mac, because I like its handling of tabs better than Safari's, and because it has "bookmark all tabs to a folder"

As for khtml vs. gecko, I haven't even noticed a difference - I wouldn't have a problem with Firefox/khtml, and I wouldn't be any more likely to use Safari/gecko.

Re:MandrakeMove (5, Informative)

jarich (733129) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310385)

What are you talking about?

Knoppix will store your config info on a USB drive, a hard drive, a zip drive, etc... and all from a GUI.

It's nice that Mandrake will as well, but Knoppix has been doing this for a while.

Re:MandrakeMove (5, Informative)

marsonist (629054) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310939)

I wrote a review of mandrake move at linuxquestions.org and here is a snippit that explains how the mandrake usb configs differ from knoppix et al... MandrakeMove points your FSTAB point /home to your USB key. All files are written directly to the USB keys FAT filesystem. I find this great because it is possible to easily view and access all home directory files from any other computer. Other bootable distros like to create .img files which 1) are difficult to view on other computers and 2) force you to predict the size of your home directory.... use to little and you haven't enough space, use too much and the you eat space from the rest of the USB key.

Mandrake Move creates 2 things on the USB Key. A folder named after the user you created on first boot (AKA: home directory) and a "dotfolder" hidden directory which contains your each computers individual setup. The latter of the two I find quite interesting. It appears that MandrakeMove has some sort of hardware hashing algorithm that allows it to come up with a unique ID for each computer that it is used in. When I use it on my laptop all of the hardware configurations for my laptop are used (resolution, printer, etc...) When I use it at work all of the configurations form my work computer are used. (NVidia drivers and all) I found that to be an outstanding feature that goes above and beyond most bootable distro's use of USB keys. As for the Home directory, it works as one might expect. All desktop and program configurations as well as personal files are stored there. When I play Chromium at work (...shhhh) the last level completed is stored, so when I go home I can start at my last completed level. Mail settings are saved, desktop preferences.... the whole works. It really feels like a full blown desktop moving with you.

Re:MandrakeMove (1)

vjmurphy (190266) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310452)

Knoppix lets you save onto USB as well.

EuroLand (1, Funny)

beatleadam (102396) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310169)

...as they cite a report from EuroLand

Hey...Isn't that the place that Disney was trying to offload recently?

And better yet...why would I trust them for Financial advice ? :-)

Re:EuroLand (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9310216)

No, that would be Walt Disney's EuroLand EuroDisney Resort Paris

Re:EuroLand (1)

sharkey (16670) | more than 10 years ago | (#9311072)

Hello!?!?! Euro Krustyland, open for business! Come on! My last paycheck bounced! My children need wine.

About Time for a new Mandrake live CD (5, Interesting)

goorath (766731) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310184)

I've been waiting for a new Mandrake Move to show off to those who haven't converted to Linux yet. I've found that a lot of people have been amazed by demonstrations of Mandrake Move. (particularly Tux racer - but thats another story!)

When Pigs Fly ... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9310206)

Hell Froze Over
Slashdotters get laid
and Mandrake makes a profit

You forgot: (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9310320)

*BSD is revived from the grave
Natalie Portman blows CowboyNeal
RMS takes a bath
ESR discovers heterosexuality
Linux kernel hackers moves out of their parent's basements
CmdrTaco, instead of taking it from behind from Kathleen, actually gets to use his own willie for once

Are you saying my Slackware floppy isn't live? (1)

layer3switch (783864) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310245)

Mandrake 10 spinoff which is Red Hat spinoff... I'm getting dizzy, Bob.
As I see it, it wouldn't be so bad if UML live CD would come out on the market with some corporate endorcement. How about take AOL's aggressive marketing strategy and start shipping live CD's to every people around the world? Would it decrease the value of Linux? image? PR Nightmare?

Re:Are you saying my Slackware floppy isn't live? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9310268)

Floppies? Who uses them anymore?

My floppy drive broke about two years ago, and I don't even miss it. (Yes, and that would mean my PC is obsolete too.)

Re:Are you saying my Slackware floppy isn't live? (1)

layer3switch (783864) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310359)

floppy is de facto standard in just about any piece of hardware you run into... umm unless you are running VAX... Floppy had its day, but I think floppy in restore/boot/firmware update, it can be a life saver. There are more times I can count for boot floppy saving my ass than bootable CD.

Re:Are you saying my Slackware floppy isn't live? (1)

marimbaman (194066) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310428)

"de facto standard"? When was the last time you saw a Mac with a floppy? Nevermind all those ultralight PC laptops out there...

Re:Are you saying my Slackware floppy isn't live? (2, Informative)

layer3switch (783864) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310529)

Mac and other slim laptops all offer external floppy or even internal ones. Mac hardware doesn't exactly follow a standard .. but rather make up the standard since Mac is proprietary platform who likes to think outside the box with label that says, "You'd shut up and use it if you know what's good for ya." Slim laptops are different story... most of their design is to fit two hands in one glove, certainly a floppy would be an accessory with hefty price tag. With that in mind, I doubt that both are design to meet anywhere near "de facto".

Re:Are you saying my Slackware floppy isn't live? (1)

irokitt (663593) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310652)

You know, you can boot Slackware from a USB key. And the first disc in the Slackware set is an ISOLinux CD, just like the first disc in the Gentoo set, and can be used as a boot disk. Not as configured as Knoppix though, which in my mind is still king of the boot CD distros.

Re:Are you saying my Slackware floppy isn't live? (1)

layer3switch (783864) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310679)

booting off USB drive is possible only if your hardware support it. I didn't have much success nor came anywhere close to making usb drive recognized at boot by lilo.

MDK != RH (1)

Akai (11434) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310693)

Mandrake _was_ based on Redhat many many moons ago.

It's been an independant development for several years.

Re:MDK != RH (1)

layer3switch (783864) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310820)

True, but it's worth to note that it's Mandrake's tendancy to spin things off others success. You call it streamline, I call it AOL 8.0 vs MSN 8.0.

Invest (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9310269)

Hurry,Hurry,Hurry,invest more money in Mandrake,to protect,your previous investment.
So they can file bankruptcy,or just dissapear into the woodwork.

What is MandrakeMove you ask? (5, Informative)

riptide_dot (759229) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310298)

The link in the parent wasn't too clear on what MandrakeMove actually was, so here is a different link about it [mandrakelinux.com] that describes what it is a little better (the original link is to the download page).

Re:What is MandrakeMove you ask? (4, Informative)

MagicFab (7234) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310490)

Use BitTorrent.
  1. Download a ButTorrent client. I'd recommend Azureus [sourceforge.net]
  2. Open this URL [mandrakesoft.com] (as listed on the download link in the post)
I frequently get 200kbps to 300kbps from a BitTorrent feed instead of ~100kbps for the best ISOs mirrors. And I contribute my miserable bandwidth for others to enjoy Mandrake :)

Re:What is MandrakeMove you ask? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9310583)

I wanted to use BitTorrent to download Azureus, but I don't have a BitTorrent client.

What can I do?

Re:What is MandrakeMove you ask? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9310612)

Oops, then I discovered that Azureus is a Java app. SO now I'll need to download the latest version of Java.

It will probably be easier to just download Mandrake 10 and hope all this stuff is included.

Re:What is MandrakeMove you ask? (1)

Alan (347) | more than 10 years ago | (#9311397)

Just grab the java .torrent...

Re:What is MandrakeMove you ask? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9310716)

Download a ButTorrent client

Have you had any luck with ButTorrent? Rumor has it that it uses a backdoor.

Re:What is MandrakeMove you ask? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9310769)

I was wondering, I've used Azureus on a HD with ReiserFS, and ANY files I download with it can only be read at 3-4megs/second max, other files on that same HD can be read at 30-40megs/sec... I stopped using Azureus for this reason, and I only use BitTornado. I thought Azureus was a nice app, but I just couldn't stand this issue. I didn't even know that ReiserFS could be fragmented. What could Azureus be doing, and also, does anyone else experience this?

Is it downloadable or only buyable (0)

jeoin (668566) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310346)

I have been trying to download Mandrake 10.0 for everyone, and it keeps dying at 98%. Yeah I could join the club, but it would cost three weeks of gas just to get the basic package. I am glad that they are making money because thats really what linux is about.

Re:Is it downloadable or only buyable (4, Funny)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310395)

I have been trying to download Mandrake 10.0 for everyone, and it keeps dying at 98%.

Well you dont need to download a copy for me, I already have one so that should get you to about 98.00000000000001%

Re:Is it downloadable or only buyable (1)

jeoin (668566) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310426)

Why do you have to be like that. You know I mean the public release. I am not the only person having this problem.

Re:Is it downloadable or only buyable (1)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310653)

It was a joke. I know its a pain when a big download goes pear shaped just before completion. Actually its something I am surprised the major distros have not addressed yet (OK I know they want you to buy the CD's from them). Several popular distros require 3 install CD's which run to about 2 GB. Now lets be honest here people, thats fucking stupid. Why cant I download a single CD installer that gives me a complete basic working system (700 MB will get just about everything most people will need anyway) and let me download other apps and utilities as/if I require them?

Re:Is it downloadable or only buyable (0, Troll)

jeoin (668566) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310699)

Sorry I would have laughed If any of the mirrors I tried didn't wait till 98 percent to tell me no. It is almost to consistant to be chance. I am a student with no job, trying to learn linux. I want the new kernel, because I want to believe it will help speed some things up. Its very frustrating.
What I see is microsoft charging a hundred people a hundred bucks. And mandrake charging half as much to twice as many people, but without superb USB and driver support.
So forgive my frustration as some moron mods an unrated thread down siting its overratedness.

i have been trolled (1)

IncohereD (513627) | more than 10 years ago | (#9311677)

For the record, I never had a problem downloading Mandrake ISOs pre bittorrent. And no more than usual downloading individual files for the full CD. And no problems using BitTorrnet. And there's nowhere near 50% of windows users paying for Mandrake. And the urpmi update sources are awesome, with a little help from the PLF.

You can always download JUST the new kernel from any mirror. You are full of crap. Maybe you only have enough disk space for 98% of the ISO??

Re:Is it downloadable or only buyable (1)

swv3752 (187722) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310839)

Well the first disk of Mandrake and most other distros is all that is required for a basic system. Then populate your urpmi sources from half a dozen different lists, and you are golden.

Re:Is it downloadable or only buyable (1, Funny)

Green Light (32766) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310658)

It was a joke. You know, ha ha ha. Laugh, it's funny!

Re:Is it downloadable or only buyable (1)

Sivaram_Velauthapill (693619) | more than 10 years ago | (#9311592)

You missed the joke.. it was kind of funny too. You said, " I have been trying to download Mandrake 10.0 for everyone..." Get it? Everyone? lol hehe :)

Re:Is it downloadable or only buyable (1)

Dravik (699631) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310578)

It is downloadable.

Re:Is it downloadable or only buyable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9310414)

Oh, I thought it was about the sharing of ideas... (hand to forehead) silly me!

Re:Is it downloadable or only buyable (4, Informative)

DrLZRDMN (728996) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310460)

If you buy it from Mandrake it's something like $55 and thats the power pack which has some propietary software. My best advice would be to but from almostfreelinux.com [almostfreelinux.com] , It's $8.95 for 4 CDs with free shipping. I think it's a good way of getting it because it's a reasonable price and it dosen't take too long. I',m not sure about the Live Cd though..
NOT Spam just information

Re:Is it downloadable or only buyable (1)

jeoin (668566) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310484)

thanks for the helpful advice. If more people were like you Linux would spread faster.

Re:Is it downloadable or only buyable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9310488)

Over rated?????? How can it be over rated if it wasn't rated at all? Score:0 %100 Overrated. Sigh the only people worse than those who misuse the mod system are those like me who complain about it. Just ignore this and go on with your conversation.

Re:Is it downloadable or only buyable (2, Funny)

jeoin (668566) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310523)

I don't care if they mod it down. Little buddie nerds. Its the only power they have. I am trying to get a real issue on the board and it gets turned down just so people don't see it. Thats fine. It shows their true intent is not much different than microsoft.

Re:Is it downloadable or only buyable (1)

0racle (667029) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310675)

Heaven forbid a company makes a profit. Mandrake, Red Hat, SuSE these are all *commercial* distros. You do understand the concept of Commercial right? No? Well here let me help you with that

One clear, short definition is - Commercial: Having profit as a chief aim.

Unless its stipulated in some license other then the GPL, Mandrake is under no obligation to provide a free download product, they however chose too. In order to make money, actually remain in existence, and do all those little tweaks and make those configuration tools that make Mandrake Linux something other then just a bunch of packages, they have other products that build upon the free one, add value to it. So yes you should be modded down to oblivion for that nice shortsighted and uncalled for comment.

Re:Is it downloadable or only buyable (1)

jeoin (668566) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310753)

Commercial like microsoft is commercial? They at least get the cds to me. Lets see. I paid 150 bucks for XP pro. I can still download free software to write code on it, and all my devices just seem to work.
Mandrake charges 66 per year. So thats about even as far as support goes. Only Linux isn't a lexus yet.
So here I am trying to learn about it and talking about how much nicer the new kernel will be. "maybe i won't have to wait 1 minute for an app to open?" That is probably just my ignorance you spoke of.
Your an example of all those guys/gals that Know how to make it work, but don't know how to take the time and help others. Keep on modding us down. You hold linux back. You put your foot on it and keep it down, so that only the experts can use it. The issue i brought up has nothing to do with the commerciality of the product, but rather the issues related to obtaining the free version. Which as you stated they chose to provide. Boy they sure don't make it the easy, but they do provide. Good cut throat microsoftish tactics.

Re:Is it downloadable or only buyable (1)

rco3 (198978) | more than 10 years ago | (#9311234)

Hmm... Well, you know, I have to tell you - you're not going to get better help by acting like a spoiled child. You haven't offered any specifics about the problems you're having, except for being able to download the complete ISO's. Then, you bitch and moan about how the community is unhelpful and hates you, killed your goldfish, whatever. It doesn't really sound to me like you WANTED any help, and at any rate it doesn't take much of a genius to figure out that Slashdot is not a tech support forum.

You catch more flies with honey, etc. If you happen to have a specific question, feel free to ask me personally - but include useful information like distro, version, CPU, RAM, etc.

If you just want to to stir up shit, leave me the fuck out of it.

Re:Is it downloadable or only buyable (1)

jeoin (668566) | more than 10 years ago | (#9311587)

thanks once i get over my hissy fit and the cd's come in the mail I may have some questions. I have some issues with 9.2. for some reason the first app to open takes a minute or so.

laptop compaq2100us/celeron1.8/512ram

Re:Is it downloadable or only buyable (2, Informative)

entitude (770810) | more than 10 years ago | (#9311352)

You didn't pay for Mandrake, so your "Mandrake charges 66 per year" argument is completely irrelevant. If you can't download it, then you can't install it, so you obviously don't know if it works, or not. If you're having problems with Mandrake, read the friendly web, or drop in at Linux Questions.org [linuxquestions.org] . If you actually want any help, send [linuxquestions.org] me a private message over in the Linux Questions.org forums; my user name is "Brian of Gep", without the quotes.

Re:Is it downloadable or only buyable (1)

jeoin (668566) | more than 10 years ago | (#9311578)

I can't pay mandrake, thats why i haven't. I have no job. I am trying to get linux skills.
I have mandrake 9.2, so i hope the new one is faster. I may ask you for help as you seem to really want to. I found a bug in konquer webbrowers when I renamed a series of files from the GUI file browser. IT kept crashing. Seems it didn't like similar names. I am trying to get linux.

Re:Is it downloadable or only buyable (2, Insightful)

0racle (667029) | more than 10 years ago | (#9311398)

So let me get this straight, you have XP, 2 support incidents for free, NO software, NO development tools, and it seems you think that MS is the devil, and you pay $150 for this pleasure, yet you whine about the choice of free with community support or $66 for a years support in addition to the community support, with thousands of applications and more development tools then you can shake a stick at.

Between us, where you believe every Linux company should bend over, kiss your ass and give everything to you on a silver platter and if they don't they're as evil as MS, or me who actually understands that people have to put food on their families table which means shipping a product that costs money, how am I the one holding Linux back. It seems that if it were up to you, there would be no Linux business to be held back.

Re:Is it downloadable or only buyable (1)

jeoin (668566) | more than 10 years ago | (#9311553)

Your right I pay the devil for a OS that does it all. I hear these slashdot stories about how some obscure abacus won't run under windows correctly. Well the truth is at my house(where I am trying very much to be productive on linux) It is much simpler to run windows. You can say i don't do anything on my pc, but you have no clue what I do. I get every software tool i need free from the web. I guess those dumbasses just haven't started getting greedy yet.
I don't need any support. Windows works. Sure I rebuild every year or so, mostly just cause i want to.
The point of my input to this thread was difficulty getting the ISO. So some clod wants to play ModGod and burn some points. Thats fintasic.
A linux company. Lets see. I can take the free work of individuals and wrap it up in package with my company name and feed the hungry kids in the back of my vette, or you can do it yourself with community help. Whats that? Where is the community? Oh they're on the web, maybe while your looking for help you can use a windows machine to hook up to the internet. Then when your done and you can browse fine on your machine(if there are drivers for your wireless card or modem or video card) you can hob nob with the really nice folks that just want to make an honest buck going bankrupt[i hear the benifits outway the tax loss]
I guess your right I don't think there should be any linux business to hold back. A general purpose ready to run version of linux that exceeds windows usability, installablity, and I know your already coming up with a ton of reason thats already all here so i won't ramble on.
I will just say this. My friend just graduated with degree in math and in computer science who wrote software(in linux) for a telescope in nevada or new mexico, my friend who is going to study physics for his masters while he teaches math at College station, had so much to call up a linux expert just to help him install a stupid usb camera that would plug and play in windows.
The guy is ultra smart, and not a novice. How do you think this type of thing would make an average user feel? I bet if i paid my 66 dollars to mandrake so they could feed their children, they would take time out of their schedule to walk me through the same process.
They would help as much as microsoft does. All they want is to make some money. Thats it. Its not about feeding kids or salvation. Its just money. The same bitch we have about microsoft.
I don't want Mandrake to beat microsoft. That is schoolkids fighting crap. Grow up. When linux is better it will be on every desktop, not just on servers.

Anyways another person was nicer than you and made a suggestion I intend to follow up on.

Re:Is it downloadable or only buyable (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9311441)

Let me see...

I D/Led Mandrake 10 the DAY it came out, yes I spent $60 for a year of MDKClub...

For my $60 I got a copy for me, which is running now (a bit buggy imo), a copy for my son, 2 friends, and about 15 copies for other people...

And I BET that my free copy will do much more than XP Pro will do (out of the box).... Will XP Pro open .xls files, NO! MDK 10 will.. Will XP Pro block popups out of the box... NO! How about photoshop files? Not without help...

Why doesn't M$ supply such software for free?

Greed...

MarkP

I don't usually do this (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9310349)

As a long time Slashdot poster I've spent many hours contributing my time and thoughts to Slashdot. Over 500 posts over the years, almost all modded up.

Lately my posts have been getting modded down almost immediately when I post them, but eventually they get modded back up. I really really didn't care too much about it because my karma was way into the triple digits when Slashdot decided to keep karma points secret. I figured the fact that all my posts were still garnering more positive moderation than negative moderation was good enough.

Not so. It turns out that my static IP address keeps getting banned for getting modded offtopic (even when I'm not offtopic) and despite the fact that the posts still end up moderated positively overall.

Have any other posters with good karma, and a good posting track record been having this problem? It's like a fucking slap in the face that after all the effort I've put into making this website what it is today. If you're experiencing the same issues recently, please protest by posting about it, even if it's offtopic.

I understand the need for Slashdot to keep the crapflooders under control, but banning IP addresses of serious contributors for someone elses crappy moderation is taking things too far.

PS: You'll want to use an anonymous proxy server. The ban seemed to go permanent for me when I expressed disagreement with the new IP ban system as a side note in an otherwise ontopic comment.

Re:I don't usually do this (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9310403)

BWHAHAHA!! You think Slashdot is a good site. Or you're just trolling. Either way Slashdot is a site for loser dorks that think that modding a comment is going to make a difference in the universe. You can't get any more lame than that. Yeah, go ahead SLASHBOT, use them mod points! Make a difference! Chicks love fat unwashed slobs with MOD POINTS!

Re:I don't usually do this (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9310459)

Thanks to whoever modded this up. I know it's offtopic, but something needs to be said about it. Keep in mind though that the Slashdot editors will often take away your moderation priveledges for moderating up posts that are critical of them. ($rtbl is not just some troll myth as I've found out.)

Re:I don't usually do this (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9310732)

I think maybe you should post a journal entry instead. Put a link to it in your .sig, or better yet, post it manually at the end of any comments. I can't speak for everyone, but hijacking a article comment thread over what's technically a personal problem sounds like trolling or sour grapes to me. Maybe you won't garner as much support, but you'll get more respect.

Re:I don't usually do this (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9310811)

The problem is that I've already been banned from posting. I'm using lynx on a shell account somewhere just to be able to post this. And yes, it does sound like sour grapes. But my hope was that enough other people might complain and Slashdot would lessen their restrictions.

And, you'll notice that my original post has been modded up several times, so obviously I'm not the only person that this is affecting.

Re:I don't usually do this (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9311457)

email Malda and be extraordinarily courteous. ;)

Re:I don't usually do this (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9310907)

It's like a fucking slap in the face that after all the effort I've put into making this website what it is today.

Buddy, you've got some serious problems if think anyone gives a shit about your "contribution".
Slashdot will do just fine without you.
Get out of the house more.

Tell me about it. (1)

Luke727 (547923) | more than 10 years ago | (#9311666)

I've spent countless hours trying to troll people and the fascist "editors" have banned me from posting anonymously! At least I've still got my two posts / day and journal. I could just create a new account, but I still couldn't post anonymously. It's the fucking principle of it, really. If there were no trolls to keep you guys on your toes, this place would crumble in an instant. If you want to be informed of the atrocities committed by the evil Slashdot overlords, I suggest you vist http://goatse.info. No, it is not the hello.jpg or anything; it is simply a place where people can share their opinions without fear of being modded into oblivion by the groupthinking puppets here. Viva la revolution!

TOUCH ME AGAIN, DADDY! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9310441)

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Flashy Financial Analysis (3, Insightful)

John Hurliman (152784) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310450)

I like the flashy presentation, the "ooh look over here!" aspect, and how they seamlessly tied the financial forecasts in with the real data, but I'm not sure I would take that analysis as a reason to invest. Most of it consisted of "Mandrake is losing less money than Novell, that's gotta count for something". That and the strong growth forecasted, while their debt ratio continues to climb.

Wait.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9310866)

There are companies that don't do that kind of thing?

It's called marketing. Pretty standard practice really. Honestly, if you're looking for advice for investment, it's generally not a good idea to look at the company's own financial analysis presentation.

Re:Flashy Financial Analysis (1)

John Hurliman (152784) | more than 10 years ago | (#9319789)

Some moderators thought the post was "overrated", so I took the financial analysis to a CPA. Some other interesting points are the Return On Equity calculations. When they have negative income but a positive shareholder's equity, they report the ROE as "ns", as in you supposedly can't divide a negative NI by a positive OE. But if you do for 2001, you realize that an investment of one Euro would have bought you an investment of over seven Euros in debt. Then, the great part, in 2003 both NI AND OE are negative so they figure "negative divided by negative... positive!" and report 157% ROE. Meaning debt increased by 157%, not 157% growth as the unbastardized original meaning of ROE would entail. The Net Profit Margin was -.51 for 2003, meaning for every Euro of sales they lost half a Euro. In that same year they dumped a lot of their assets as well, so it doesn't seem like they were buried in asset expenses. Their operating debt was simply out of control, and despite the selling of assets and tuning things down in general, the operating debt continued to climb. What about this miraculous jump of 1,827% in net cash? Keep in mind that's forecasted, it's a completely made up number in stark contrast to every bit of financial data provided that has to follow IAS rules. Maybe they're hoping enough people will buy in to this analysis and invest in Mandrake that their net cash actually does grow that much, and the company who created this hype can finally cash out on their losing investment.

I love the Mandrake software, it's my primary recommendation for anyone that asks me about Linux, but on the books this company looks like a dot com bust that's a few years too late. Flatlining revenues, steadily increasing operating debt, and a downward spiral of equity. Liquidity, solvency, debt to equity, operating margin, ALL BAD.

Consider employees work free, how not to make $? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9310458)

Consider that the employees work for free, how could a business NOT generate HUGE profits? Oh, right, when you give your product AWAY !!! (Sam Kenison style)

Mandrake making more money? (0, Flamebait)

Barto (467793) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310473)

So is Mandrake making more money now? Damn, now I'll have to hate them irrationally like RedHat. Gotta fit in here... :p

Is Mandrake CLIC alive, dead... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9310497)

or just forgotten?

The best thing... (4, Informative)

ErichTheWebGuy (745925) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310541)

about MandrakeMove is the fact that it can automatically store your personal data on a USB keychain. Not that SuSE Live, Knoppix, etc. cannot, but MdkMove makes it so damned easy to make a *truly* portable personal desktop system.

Kudos, Mandrake, for another great product.

I hope they are showing a profit! (3, Informative)

chrispatch (578882) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310677)

I hope they are showing a profit!
I joined their mandrake club to download the iso's and give them a little support. They charged my credit card $6600.00 for a standard membership. They did not answer their phones. I had to dispute the charges through my credit card company. In their defense they did reverse the charges a few days later. But boy was I worried for a few days!

Re:I hope they are showing a profit! (4, Informative)

Azureflare (645778) | more than 10 years ago | (#9310844)

Yeah, if you read the notice that was on mandrakeclub.com a while ago, you would have known that it wasn't Mandrake's fault, but the company they were using to process credit cards; apparently they had a bug in their software multiplying all transactions by 100.

Read more at the press release here [mandrakesoft.com] .

Re:I hope they are showing a profit! (1)

chrispatch (578882) | more than 10 years ago | (#9311030)

I like Mandrake. I will buy/suscribe to the next version as well. This was intended as light hearted, and I DO hope they continue to turn a profit. Flaimbait for posting facts?

On a side note. You linked to an explanation / apology. Their site states they have / will contact all 260 some odd customers who where overcharged. I have not heard a peep from Mandrake after leaving several messages asking for an explanation right up until the charges were reversed, nor a return call yet nor an email weeks later. Would this be flamebait if the company involved was Microsoft?

I am willing to overlook this as they did reverse the incorrect charge. I do support /use open source (and windows xp as well).

Re:I hope they are showing a profit! (1)

Azureflare (645778) | more than 10 years ago | (#9311968)

Hey, that's perfectly fine. If I were you, I'd be mightily pissed off too (and I've been using mandrake for 2+ years).

I think it's sad they didn't contact you. I'm not aware of what the internals are at Mandrakesoft. In fact, I haven't heard from anyone else that was affected by this, so I'm not sure if anyone else wasn't contact by Mandrakesoft. But like any company, they likely weren't able to personally contact some of their customers... It's too bad, but, now that everything's ok, there's not much we can do about it. We can only move on ;)

I don't think what you said was flamebait. I was just putting out the info so people got the full picture of what was going on.

Re:I hope they are showing a profit! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9313044)

That excuse is so full of crap it's not even funny. "A bug in their software" ? Any reputable credit card processor would never be bit by that, because they'd be out of business faster than you could say "VISA".

Of course, maybe Mandrake are using shady fly by night credit card processors. Maybe the credit card processor absconded with a chunk of cash courtesy of mandrake and customers

of course, I don't want to suggest the other reason.

Re:I hope they are showing a profit! (1)

Azureflare (645778) | more than 10 years ago | (#9317065)

Thank you for that wonderful bit of anonymous trolling. If the credit card processor took part of the money, why would the customers get a full refund?

I'm sorry, but what you say is just wrong. If you are reasonable, I'm sure you will see why you are wrong.

Re:I hope they are showing a profit! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9313834)

In their defense they did reverse the charges a few days later.

Hmmm, I wonder if that had anything to do with the fact that you disputed it with your CC company, who has the ability to leverage fines against them for too many chargebacks?

I wouldn't use my credit card a fraction as much as I do now if it wasn't for the fraud protection. It's too bad customer service is dead in this country. The only way to make money is through hidden fees and cheating your customers.

PROFIT???? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9310943)

HAHA i Download your 10.0 Linux For Free! stick it to the man!!!

I came, I saw, I left (5, Insightful)

whitis (310873) | more than 10 years ago | (#9311013)

Maybe if they improved their website they could actually make some money?

I could not find answers to simple questions with a reasonable amount of effort.

Q) What is Mandrake move vs. mandrake 10? I actually had to come back to slashdot to find a link with the answer to this one. It is a
standalone live CD-ROM version of linux.

Q) How much does it cost? I actually had to click on the order link, fill in my state and country,
and sort through a bunch of irrelevent products and I still didn't get an answer. I know how much it costs with a keychain USB flash memory ($70-$330) but I don't know how much it is by itself. Price needs to be listed before you hit the shopping cart.

Q) Free downloads? Well, if you click on downloads it looks like you could probably
download it for free (if the ftp server wasn't /.ed) but you have to click the button that
says something to the effect of "I am already a member of the mandrake club or I plan to join real soon now". So you either need to join the club (about $70/year) or promise to join the club before you can download. I don't have the slightest intention of joining their club unless I find the software useful and shouldn't be required to state otherwise. Plus it reminds me of those sleazy subscription cards for magazines: "Yes! I want to subscibe to the worlds greatest basketweaving magazine! Send me one year (12 exciting issues) of basketweaving today for just $17.97. I'll save 62% plus I'll receive the basketweaving 101 book FREE!"

Re:I came, I saw, I left (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9311365)

If Mandrake removed the BS,from their website,they would'nt have a website.

Re:I came, I saw, I left (2, Informative)

smoker2 (750216) | more than 10 years ago | (#9317939)

A1) http://www.mandrakesoft.com/products/range [mandrakesoft.com]
Pretty simple and standard linkage really.

A2) Its free if you dload it ! What else do you need to know ? Or just join the damn club !

A3) Where do you have to _promise_ anything ?

Before downloading our products, we ask for your support by joining the Mandrakelinux Users Club.(my bold)

You came, you saw, you left, bereft ! Shame.

Re:I came, I saw, I left (1)

silicon not in the v (669585) | more than 10 years ago | (#9318822)

A3) Where do you have to _promise_ anything ?


Before downloading our products, we ask for your support by joining the Mandrakelinux Users Club.(my bold)
You're not looking at the right page. He is referring to here [mandrakelinux.com] where they have two buttons on the bottom. The choices are:
"I agree to support Mandrakelinux, please send me to the Mandrakelinux Users Club Registration page"
or
"I'm already a member of the Club or plan on registering soon, please send me to the download page"

Aside from the runon sentences used in both of those, it's a little annoying to have to "agree" that you're planning on joining the club to get to the page of mirror sites.

Profit! ? Profit! ? There's a novel idea (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9311318)

Way to go you gpl hippies. I'll bet you hate Mandrake, er, uh, I mean da Man er, da Mandrake for bein all corporate and shnizzle.

negative equity? (1)

Sivaram_Velauthapill (693619) | more than 10 years ago | (#9311603)

What's negative equity? How do you end up with that? I thought equity was always positive??

Re:negative equity? (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 10 years ago | (#9312712)

In the UK in the 90's people's mortgages were often greater than the (falling) value of their house. That is an example of negative equity.

Re:negative equity? (1)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 10 years ago | (#9312718)

Negative equity refers to the state where the value of something which the lender borrowed money against falls until it isn't sufficient to cover the loan.
It generally happens in the housing market with mortgages after a housing price crash.

Re:negative equity? (1)

qtothemax (766603) | more than 10 years ago | (#9313085)

As it applies to a corporation, balance sheet equity is assets minus liabilities. So negative equity means they have more liabilities than assets. While this is not a good thing, it doesn't necessarily mean that the company is going to go out of buisness. I know amazon.com had negative equity for a while, and I believe still does.

Mandrake (3, Interesting)

LibrePensador (668335) | more than 10 years ago | (#9311722)

I am very impressed with Mandrake 10 Official. I will not engage in the my distro is better than yours game. Use whatever you want. No distribution is perfect. Do realize that your judgment might be clouded by which distribution you learned linux on.

All I have to say is that Mandrake makes a very secure server and a very easy to use desktop and they do so with a GNU smile on their face.

I will make however a few historical comments:

*Have you tried rpmdrake and used it to create Raid Arrays or LVM volumes? Look up how many years they have had such a tool and compare it to other distributions.

*Research which distro first used CUPs and made it easy to use multi-function devices in Linux?

*Research which distribution has a zeroconf/Rendevous in it for a while

*Have you tried their server wizards, which they have had for years?

*Research urpmi when you get a chance. It is a good as Debian's apt, which is the installer by which all other ought to be measured. And even though apt-for-rpm is now available, it isn't as good as either of the above, not to mention that these have yet to be formally embraced in an officially shipping product by either Novell or Red Hat.

If you can afford to send Mandrake a few bucks, do so.We need more companies like Mandrake around. If anything, it will keep both Red Hat and Suse honest.

Ps: Oh.oh.. That Stallmanite reference will drive all of the anti-RMS cloud out of the closet :)

Re:Mandrake (1)

seb249 (603325) | more than 10 years ago | (#9311932)

Whilst i do agree with you that we need companies like Mandrake around and they do a great Desktop release. Your point about urpmi being as great as apt-get i have to take issue with. I used to be Mandrake all the way but since the product EOL issues with Red Hat - and their Microsoftish terms and conditions for their Enterprise offereing we were looking around to see what we would do when it came time to replace our Redhat and Mandrake boxes. We ended up choosing Debian, as it is community supported and in general there is not the financial pressures to release before things are ready etc and its as stable as hell (we are talking servers here so latest and greatest whizbang features are not required)
Anyway the short of it is i have been working solely on debian boxes for a while now - and today i have had to come back to some of the Mandrake machines, (8.2 through to 9.2) and am now wishing all our boxes were debian. Dpkg is just so much nicer to work with. Everything you could ever want on the mirrors, that dont get horribly out of sync ever other month and it works!

Anyway each to their own - thats enough of a rant - but yes Mandrake do do a great Desktop product, their Corporate server offering while it looks great has too short a product life (2 years, if they could stretch it to the 3 year hardware rotation they would have had us)

Re:Mandrake (1)

seb249 (603325) | more than 10 years ago | (#9312897)

I must admit - diskdrake is pretty funky :)

Re:Mandrake (1)

LibrePensador (668335) | more than 10 years ago | (#9312139)

I was refering to diskdrake not rpmdrake when I spoke of Raid and LVM above.

Isn't MANdrake a sexist name? (3, Funny)

baywulf (214371) | more than 10 years ago | (#9311924)

Should be changed to Persondrake to be politically correct.

Re:Isn't MANdrake a sexist name? (1)

Hittite Creosote (535397) | more than 10 years ago | (#9312514)

Should be changed to Persondrake to be politically correct.

That's still sexist. Change it to Personduck.

Re:Isn't MANdrake a sexist name? (1)

hutkey (709330) | more than 10 years ago | (#9313195)

or HUMANDrake

Re:Isn't MANdrake a sexist name? (1)

silicon not in the v (669585) | more than 10 years ago | (#9318874)

How dare you! Peroffspringdrake

Mandrake Move v. Knoppix (3, Informative)

WoodstockJeff (568111) | more than 10 years ago | (#9312293)

I've used both, and I've found that Knoppix finds more of the hardware on my systems, but Mandrake Move is MUCH faster on the same hardware.

Granted, my test is disk-related... I use both Knoppix and MM to run badblocks on drives before I install their final OS. But, on the same hardware, Mandrake Move will run 'badblocks -svw /dev/hda' to completion (4 write/read passes with different patterns) in less time than the first pass in Knoppix 3.3 or 3.4. That's a significant time savings when you're checking 8 250GB drives for a RAID array!

Re:Mandrake Move v. Knoppix (1)

xoran99 (745620) | more than 10 years ago | (#9312694)

Does MandrakeMove use transparent compression like Knoppix?
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