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Linux Today Founder Calls for Boycott of Linux Today

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the doh dept.

Microsoft 744

dave writes "I founded and managed Linux Today in 1998, bringing it up from nothing into the most powerful and large Linux news website in the world, in less than a year. I am now calling on the Linux community to boycott my creation until its current owners stop accepting money from Microsoft to publish blatantly anti-Linux/pro-Microsoft ads."

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Ads on Slashdot (5, Interesting)

ziondreams (760588) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338808)


I was shocked to find the very same ads mentioned in the article on this site a while back. I've always thought of /. as a very pro-linux community...let alone the OSDN, who, I'm assuming serves the ads.

Re:Ads on Slashdot (5, Informative)

t--f-c (76987) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338889)

agreed, I've been noticing the "informative" ads on here recently regarding TCO of MS vs Linux and all sorts of other make me gag FUD, but I was wondering just how much control the people selling the ad-space (i.e. Linux Today and /.) have in the content, vs the ad buyers who can possibly dictate which websites they get served on... I have no experience in this arena, but I imagine it isn't a terribly far stretched idea to see a request of ads on certain websites from ad time buyers..

Re:Ads on Slashdot (4, Interesting)

cshark (673578) | more than 10 years ago | (#9339005)

I agree, but let's be practical. Microsoft is one of the biggest advertisers on the internet today. They have real money. If you're going to boycott LinuxToday, you're also going to need to boycott the OSDN which runs many of the same ads.

oh noes boycott (-1, Flamebait)

xeeno (313431) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338899)

Hay guys boycott mcdonalds because I worked there once and now they've changed the menu.

So, if (3, Insightful)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338907)

So, if /. has these adds too (which they do) should we boycott /. too? As I am typing this I am reading a M$ ad on the submit page.

Re:Ads on Slashdot (4, Insightful)

Total_Wimp (564548) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338994)

And this is the community with the battle cry, "Free, as in speech"?

Ads? (5, Funny)

pegr (46683) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338810)

I thought they were satirical editorial cartoons!

Boycott Slashdot!!! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9338813)

I founded and managed Slashdot from its inception to the present, bringing it up from nothing into the most powerful and large Linux news website in the world. I am now calling on the Linux community to boycott my creation until its current owners stop accepting money from Microsoft to publish blatantly anti-Linux/pro-Microsoft ads.

--CmdrTaco

Re:Boycott Slashdot!!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9338916)

Offtopic? Fucking crackhead moderators don't recognize irony?

Why? (3, Insightful)

Rombuu (22914) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338815)

Are Linux Today's readers too stupid to think for themselves?

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9338841)

Well, now that you mention it, yes they are.

Re:Why? (2, Interesting)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338864)

But what about those who are just venturing into the Linux world and are just getting thier feet wet. There are a lot of those and they don't understand it all yet.

Re:Why? (4, Interesting)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338895)

Perhaps this speaks more to the founder's views of Linux Today readers than anything else. I would think tuxors would be thrilled to be siphoning some funds from MS in this manner...

Re:Why? (5, Insightful)

BlueCodeWarrior (638065) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338914)

Not neccesarily. But I can see the validity in the point of "how can we trust them to post unbiased reviews when they are funded by Microsoft"

I don't patronize the site personally, but I could see (in theory) how M$ could say, "well, we see that you're posting this negative stuff about our product, we think we'll pull out those ads..." and if they're counting on those ad dollars for funding, well, it isn't pretty.

Re:Why? (2, Interesting)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 10 years ago | (#9339014)

Well a point brought up was the fact that if you read a good article on there and you pointed your PHB to it he would see the Microsoft add and think twice about it. That is the scary issue.

Boycott? (5, Insightful)

Skyshadow (508) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338817)

Wait, so this Linux advocacy site manages to get Microsoft to pay them to run ads that anyone who actually *goes* to the site will just laugh off anyhow, and we're supposed to *boycott* them?

Jesus Christ, we should be giving these guys a medal!

Re:Boycott? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9338870)

I think this guy should be modded up just because his sig is the funniest damn sig I've ever read!!!

LOL! I'm with you, brutha!

Re:Boycott? (5, Interesting)

BeBoxer (14448) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338908)

Agreed. I think it's great that Microsoft likes to support pro-Linux magazines and web sites. Everytime I see one I chuckle to myself. "Suckers. No one here is going to be swayed by your ad, but thanks for spending the money anyway!" If anything, Microsoft's need to advertise in Linux channels helps legitimize Linux (as though that hasn't already been done.)

Re:Boycott? (1)

sharkdba (625280) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338913)

I agree. This is just a total waste of money from Microsoft's side, since Linux Today readers will either ignore these ads, or laugh them off. And Linux Today has a nice revenue stream. So what's the problem?

The founder afraid these ads will turn someone into a Microsoft fan, heh?

Re:Boycott? (4, Funny)

KReilly (660988) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338948)

Yea, I would prefer to look at this more as guerilla warfare tactics, where Linux gets funded by its enemy. Linux grows stronger as Windows grows weaker.

I use FreeBSD/OpenBSD (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9338825)

glad I don't have to deal with this.

do they pick the ads? (4, Interesting)

johnpaul191 (240105) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338826)

do they pick the ads or are they through a service? i am not sure if it makes it any better.... but for example if you get ads from google and are a tech related site i am sure you will be hit with M$ ads as well as whatever else.

Mommy, M$ isn't playing fair (5, Insightful)

webguru4god (537138) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338827)

This seems like a rather harsh approach to take against LinuxWorld, and somewhat childish as well. How do we know that Microsoft is specifically paying for advertisement on LinuxToday, and not just blanket advertising on internet.com?

And then does that mean that we should boycott /. because they often display M$ ads? Or maybe anti-Linux people should boycott Windows-centric sites when they feature advertising from RedHat or Sun.

Seems to me like the best option to take would be to urge LinuxToday to not support M$ advertising if they are indeed given a choice on what they advertise, instead of just boycotting them out of anger.

Re:Mommy, M$ isn't playing fair (5, Insightful)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338923)

I agree. Its knee-jerk reactions like this that give Linux a bad name.

Two words for you guys:
GROW UP!

You are taking away money from the competition, and putting ads on a page that most people ignore anyway. This isn't something to get your panties in a bunch about. Go argue about which editor or distro is the best... it'll make you feel better ;-)

Re:Mommy, M$ isn't playing fair (1)

mgoodman (250332) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338962)

Well, I went to the LinuxWorld conference in New York this year, and needless to say, it is the last year I will be attending. Microsoft had a large pavilion there...if I recall it wasn't there the last time I went (two years prior). Sell-outs. The exhibits weren't even useful. More than half were selling the same damned thing, JBODs, disk-arrays, etc. Lame.

They aren't playing fair (4, Insightful)

phorm (591458) | more than 10 years ago | (#9339031)

I've seen a lot of these ads. Their comparison between windows servers and linux servers is really stupid. It's the same tricks that many companies use: compare with different hardware specs, unoptimized kernels/applications, and don't take into account viruses and other related issues. It's not right and I really do get sick of seeing them on OSDN and other networks.

That being said, I understand that OSDN and other sites do need revenue. I also think that most linux users realize the ads are bunk. Rather than a boycott, I'd like to see pro-Linux advertisement in the same way (with real stats) that shows the advantages of linux over windows.

How about graphs comparing: Infection rate, loss due to downtime, webpage serving stats with optimized machines on the same hardware, etc?

i.e., don't click... (2, Insightful)

tcopeland (32225) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338829)

...here [linuxtoday.com] .

I sympathize with his points, and it's not just LinuxToday. I received the July 2004 (odd enough, that) copy of Dr. Dobbs Journal and thought "wow, it's really getting to be pretty thick". Then I realized that the middle 40% of the magazine was a long Microsoft advertisement. After ripping that out, there wasn't much left - except for 4 different articles on Java-to-COM-and-ActiveX bridges. Crikey.

Re:i.e., don't click... (1)

l810c (551591) | more than 10 years ago | (#9339022)

It seems they use the Bookedspace adware program also to serve their ads. Spysweeper caught it as soon as I opened that link.

Adware to serve MS ads, double bad

I've created a monster (-1, Troll)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338830)

I've created a monster, cuz nobody wants to
see Marshall no more they want Shady I'm chopped liver well if you want Shady, this is what I'll give ya.

Sorry, that's better than the inevitable Frankenstein jokes right?

Re:I've created a monster (-1, Troll)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338959)

troll?

I'll give you something to mark as troll.

Here, this is a troll:

You're smoking crack, ya fucking one-eyed monkey spanking fudge packer.

Now, see, that's a troll.

Educate yourself.

The other post was maybe off topic, but most definitely not a troll. Now this one here is definitely a troll, so mod appropriately.

Re:I've created a monster (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9339037)

That's no troll, friend, that's a flame. Pedantic, yes, but true.

Doesn't bother me (4, Insightful)

dananderson (1880) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338835)

I suspect the ads are served through some third party or link exchange.

In any case, it doesn't bother me if Microsoft throws money at a Linux-oriented website. I can ignore or read a Microsoft add and I won't melt in anycase.

Re:Doesn't bother me (4, Funny)

Trailer Trash (60756) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338945)

I can ignore or read a Microsoft add and I won't melt in anycase.

Personally, I enjoy seeing a Microsoft ad. Why? Because they just paid for something that was completely and utterly wasted. Seriously. Bring it on. Gives me something to laugh at and costs Microsoft money, it doesn't get much better than that.

whatever (5, Insightful)

blackmonday (607916) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338840)

Sounds like a bunch of hot air to me. If MS wants to run an ad with their (biased) study of TCO vs Linux, let them. Trust the readers to be smarter than that. Linux represents choice and freedom, not censorship or religion.

MOD PARENT UP! (1)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338991)

Absolutely. The last thing you want to do is 'sink to their level.'

Lets face it, if people want to move to Linux, usually they are fed up with MS, so I don't think anyone is harmed if you see an ad for something you already know is a polished turd.

managers can read... (2, Insightful)

mgoodman (250332) | more than 10 years ago | (#9339038)

...but unfortunately they tend to only read headlines. if the headline is a bunch of microsoft FUD, then it makes your job just that much more aggravating.

I try to avoid conversations like this:
PointyHairedBoss: "Why are we using this Unix crap!?"
Me: "Because, you stupid wanker, it has been up for 745 days without crashing and without any problems. And big woop if I cost a little more if your systems are stable and secure!? Now get outta my server room!"

Never read it, dot-bomb fluff IMHO (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338843)

So hey, I'm already supporting your cause!

Same ads here... (3, Informative)

Otto (17870) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338844)

These same ads are often the ones in the top bar of slashdot.. Occasionally there's a vertical one on the main page that's pretty much the same thing.

Most powerful and largest (2, Insightful)

vlad_petric (94134) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338845)

bringing it up from nothing into the most powerful and large Linux news website in the world
...
Sure ... And this is published on /. LOL.

I'm just wondering ... how effective are Windoze adds on MS-bashing sites ? IMHO it's more of a problem with the advertising company, not linuxtoday.

If Microsoft wants to fund a Linux magazine... (5, Interesting)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338846)

...then more fool them. As long as "Linux Today" does not allow advertisers to interfere with its content, either directly or indirectly, I don't see an issue.

I read nothing in the complaint to suggest that Linux Today's content has been compromised by these adverts. Instead, the entire complaint seems to be purely that Microsoft advertises, and the advertising itself is Linux-hostile.

That's fine. And I expect most readers will ignore what Microsoft has to say, but be delighted they're funding Linux.

Re:If Microsoft wants to fund a Linux magazine... (3, Funny)

lothar97 (768215) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338937)

We should all be sure to click on the ads, to make sure that Microsoft pays for the exposure on the site.

(insert evil laughter sound here)

Mod parent up. (1)

at_kernel_99 (659988) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338944)

Exactly. If their content is unbiased journalism, who cares who's advertising? If a person doesn't like the advertising they see, spend the money to put something else up there.

Let Microsoft spread all the FUD they want (1, Insightful)

HenryKoren (735064) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338847)

Let Microsoft spread all the FUD Propaganda they want.

It only shows how they are shitting their pants about the inevitable Linux domination.

That's like Coke advertising Pepsi (1)

dukerobinson (624739) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338851)

....except, like, if they gave coke away for free... and it was a superior product, but pepsi paid the coke crowd to advertise for them...

Re:That's like Coke advertising Pepsi (1)

frodo from middle ea (602941) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338976)

You'r talking about Coke the Cola , right ?

I'm just curious.. (1)

crazyfreakid (725264) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338853)

...why is Linux Today's founder no longer with Linux Today? Don't mean to flame or anything, I was just wondering.

have you seen the MS adds on Slashdot (3, Informative)

Edmund Blackadder (559735) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338854)

You found a good place to complain. Slashdot runs Microsoft adds about how "mainframe Linux" is so much more expensive than Windows. The adds even site a study that was thouroughly discredited in slashdot news stories.

Boycott OSDN (2, Funny)

anandpur (303114) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338856)

OSDN also display same ads. BOYCOTT DevChannel, freshmeat, Geocrawler, IT Manager's Journal, Linux.com, NewsForge, Slashdot, SourceForge.net, ThinkGeek, Animation, Factory, Mediabuilder.
Boycott never worked (except for Gandhi) and will not work. Silly

My god, can you whine any more? (2)

MSFanBoi (695480) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338859)

Get a life.

People can trash Microsoft all they want, but oh GOD! teh EBAL! if someone, especially Microsoft bad mouths Linux.

Welcome to the real world, if you can't stand the heat, stay in your parent's basement.

Re:My god, can you whine any more? (1)

rdsmith4 (767227) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338951)

stay in your parent's basement.

I think I speak for most of us Slashdotters when I say... That's exactly where I am right now, you insensitive clod!

Boycott? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9338860)

Ok, boycott LinuxToday. Gotcha. I'll add it to the list so that hopefully, just like my MPAA and RIAA boycotts, it will succeed in causing the target to change their policy.

The problem is (5, Informative)

dtfinch (661405) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338866)

Slashdot has the same exact anti-Linux, pro-Microsoft ads. I've tried bringing this up, but was rejected.

Imagine if it read like this:
"I'm now calling on the Linux community to boycott Slashdot until its current owners stop accepting money from Microsoft to publish blatantly anti-Linux/pro-Microsoft ads."

I personally would call upon the community to click every Microsoft ad they see. They get cheap advertising if nobody clicks on them. And they're not going away if you don't. Microsoft is definitely the high bidder on most of our sites.

Quitcher bitchin' (4, Insightful)

Randolpho (628485) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338868)

It's money for your rag.

Seriously, so what of Microsoft is anti-Linux. The Linux crowd has been anti-Microsoft for a hell of a lot longer. MS is just trying to catch up, and surprise: they're throwing money your way while they do it.

Re:Quitcher bitchin' (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 10 years ago | (#9339021)

Though you have a point (not one anyone else hasn't made, but regardless) you're wrong about one thing: Microsoft is anti-everything that's not them and as such has been anti-Linux for at least as long as there has been a "linux crowd", maybe longer. To microsoft, there are only three things that it is acceptable to do to competitors: 1> Crush them, 2> buy them, 3> Keep them afloat through their tough times so you can point to them and say "look, we're not a monopoly! look at them over there! chewbacca lives on endor!"

Did not notice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9338871)

I'm running mozilla with popup blocking and no flash plugin. The site looks like it always did to me.

Michael

Boycott Linux Today? (2, Funny)

rdsmith4 (767227) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338872)

...Boycott of Linux Today

Slashdot is the wrong place to advocate a boycott of Linux today, tomorrow, or any other day!

In any case, michael should look twice at those headlines before posting them - "from the doh department" indeed.

Boycotts don't work. (1)

FasterThanLight (541259) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338873)

Boycotts don't work. If it's hits they're after, it's hits they'll get. I'd never seen that site before today... and had after I'd read the boycott request. ;) Oops...

Funny (1)

Moth7 (699815) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338877)

Wonder why the editors posted this. Wouldn't want to be giving us ideas about uprising against MS ads here now would you?

Re:Funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9338975)

And the microsoft ad with a arkanoid game in it, slashdot recently had on its frontpage was actually quite amusing to find while browsing slashdot in my workhours :)

Didnt change my perception of either MS of Slashdot (or linux)

That's Ballsy (1)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338882)

Whenever someone steps up to turn down money from M$, that's a ballsy move. I'd give him credit.

Now we just hope he's not accepting some other gifts (cough...) porsches and ferraris instead of money.

I think current Linux users... (1)

darth_silliarse (681945) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338885)

...are more than capable of laughing off pro-M$ adverts. Infact I think M$ would be suitably peeved that a pro-Linux site is being funded by Microsoft!

Ads? (5, Funny)

peeping_Thomist (66678) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338890)

People still see ads in their web browsers? How 1997!

Boycott! (1)

blackmonday (607916) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338892)

Quick! Everybody boycott Slashdot! They run Microsoft ads and stories on Microsoft Technologies! Run! Don't you see how they turned all Slashdotters into unhuman anti-linux zealots! Run!

first post (0, Offtopic)

bootedcat (783267) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338894)

aaaaa bbbbb ccccc ddddd eeeee fffff ggggg hhhhh iiiii jjjjj kkkkk

Right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9338900)

They should only take payments from companies to put out anti-MS/pro-Linux ads only.

Yes lets boycott freedom of press!!

Re:Right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9338949)

I know the parent is a troll, but..."freedom of the press" means "freedom from having the government tell you what you can and cannot publish." It does not--repeat--does NOT mean that private individuals cannot bring market forces to bear against publishers.

but... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9338902)

If we are to boycott, how are we to know when they've stopped displaying the M$ ads?

Has this guy even contacted them? (5, Insightful)

CanSpice (300894) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338906)

I want to know if this guy has even got in touch with Linux Today in regards to this "controversy." He doesn't mention anything about talking to them, asking them rationally to do something about the Windows ads. It just looks like he's flying off the handle irrationally, and that really detracts from the point he's trying to make.

Ads? What Ads (2, Insightful)

Koldark (267388) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338910)

I don't see any ads with FireFox.

Best way to boycott a website? (5, Funny)

nunofgs (636910) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338912)

Why, post it on slashdot of course!

okay, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9338917)

since i never went to that site EVER. i will now boycott it starting right now.

And will you... (5, Insightful)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338918)

replace their lost ad revenue yourself? At least offer them an alternative before you start deriding them for doing something. Oh, and where the hell do YOU get off selling your creation and then acting as if you have a say in it after that, you dont, you gave it up for money so dont preach to me.

See what happens when you sell out? (1)

gatkinso (15975) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338924)

Not that I wouldn't have also...

Please, these aren't tobacco ads (4, Insightful)

ChiralSoftware (743411) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338925)

I appreciate this guy's point, but:
  • The publishing business is rough. You have to do what you have to do. I read Maxim magazine. They have a huge circulation, are very popular, they get plenty of advertisers, and yet they have to run cigarette ads because they buy some of the most expensive ad slots. What can you do? Ads ultimately are just offering consumers a choice. And these aren't tobacco ads; MS just uses some very agressive/slightly illegal marketing tactics. This isn't selling a product which is known to be addictive and cause cancer.
  • What's wrong with Microsoft? They make some truly great software (Office) which runs fine on Linux [codeweavers.com] . I'm a 100% Linux desktop user, and guess what, I buy Microsoft software to run on my Linux box! I don't have a Windows partition either.
  • We're all techies here, right? We all believe that technology products should be evaluated on their merits. Does that somehow not apply to Microsoft products? If Microsoft ____ is the best solution for a given application, shouldn't we acknowledge that? Again, this is from a 100% Linux desktop user, who has been a 100% Linux desktop user for years, even back in the old painful days when the best browser was Netscape 4.something. Now I have Mozilla, IE and Konqueror to choose from, all on one desktop, and I chose based on their merits.

-----------
WAP news [chiralsoftware.net]

The ads are here too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9338930)

Almost everybody knows what slashdot is about, but what is amazing about this story is that, the person who complains about this situation or the editor who posts it all know the fact that slashdot itself (and OSDN of course) all accept the same ads. I understand the general mood of slashdotters, but how low can you go?

boycot? (1)

strathmeyer (208375) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338939)


Sure, some people will boycott. But now thousands of people will see it mentioned on the front page of Slashdot...

Is this guy for real? (3, Insightful)

rjdohnert (772699) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338940)

Why in the bluest blazes of hell would we stop reading Linux today? Why is eveything so, "Linux or bust" I personally use them both and I like them both. Linux has its uses as does Windows and for some things I like using Windows more. Get a life its advertising as the previous readers have said the readers will decide for themselves what they want to use.

I believe that this is the very definition (1)

Deathdonut (604275) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338953)

of the term 'sold out'. Once you cash the check, ya gotta hand over the keys.

Who Cares? (2, Insightful)

Wyldstar (456043) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338960)

Is it me, or do people pretty much don't care? If Microsoft wants to advertise in their competitions magazine, then let the Magazine decide if it's good for their products or not...

A Boycott will work just like the do not buy gas this day works...

Why don't... (1)

scovetta (632629) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338961)

we just /. Linux Today?

Seriously though, I think this is a problem. The people who *run* LT are obviously trying to make money, but this is a bit of a sell-out.

I didn't see any MS ads when I went there.... (2, Funny)

wolfemi1 (765089) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338964)

...but I was horrified by the AOL ads! Boycott now!!

Oh The Irony... (1)

eSims (723865) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338965)

Seeing as the same advertisements are on the Slashdot banner I find it quite amusing that the poster came here to make his case....

What Ads? (1)

Neil Watson (60859) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338969)

After constant use of image blocking in Mozilla I hardly ever see ads.

So what are they supposed to do? (1)

Mz6 (741941) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338970)

Want Microsoft to run pro-Linux ads? What do you expect!

Mozilla's adblocker works well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9338979)

You could block just that ad or all the ads....

Not an endoresment of MS... (1)

LV-427 (315309) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338980)

From their Legal Notices [jupitermedia.com] (emphasis mine);
10. Links.

The Site may provide, or third parties may provide, links to non-JUPM Internet World Wide Web sites or resources. Because JUPM has no control over such sites and resources, you acknowledge and agree that JUPM is not responsible for the availability of such external sites or resources, and does not endorse and is not responsible or liable for any content, advertising, products, or other materials on or available from such sites or resources. You further acknowledge and agree that JUPM shall not be responsible or liable, directly or indirectly, for any damage or loss caused or alleged to be caused by or in connection with use of or reliance on any such content, goods or services available on or through any such site or resource.
Advertising a product does not imply endorsement. If CBS advertises a Pizza Hut commercial, they don't necessarily endorse the product or it's claims. I think people can read a website and judge the impartiality of the news on their own.

Some Linux Today headlines... (0, Troll)

argent (18001) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338992)

"SearchEnterpriseLinux: Windows, Linux to Win War Over Data Center"

Linux is UNIX. Shouldn't this read "Windows, UNIX, to Win War Over Data Center"? Oh, wait, who does that leave?

"CyberIndia Online: Linux Does Not Depend on Microsoft's Failure"

Well, sorta. It does depend on Microsoft failing to squash Linux like a bug.

HOLY CRAP! (1)

Jailbrekr (73837) | more than 10 years ago | (#9338997)

First Ad: Intel
Second Ad: AOL
Third Ad: IBM
Fourth Ad: IBM

HOW DARE THEY ADVERTISE AOL!

Silly Stuff (1)

reallocate (142797) | more than 10 years ago | (#9339000)

Silly stuff, this. Linux is an operating system, not a political or social movement.

If he wants to run a publication by turning away legitimate ad revenue, let him.

If he does that, he probably makes sure every article has its quota of bombast and pseduo-ethical open source mish mash.

Its just good irony (1)

mnmn (145599) | more than 10 years ago | (#9339001)

Most readers visiting your site have used computers long enough to laugh at Microsoft claims of security TCO and stability. Linux grew and became strong because of grassroots support not because of directed propaganda, biased websites and censorship of the likes that you want to see implemented.

If Microsoft pays for the high bandwidth of your website, all the better.

dirty laundry goes elsewhere, please (1)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 10 years ago | (#9339002)

Linux Today Founder Calls for Boycott of Linux Today

...and I call for a boycott on stories about Linux Today.

I would have been a lot more receptive to this article if I hadn't had to sit through "Magazines Of Our Lives" here on slash a couple months ago over the whole domain/content/whatever business, which had all the maturity of a playground fight. Or if Slashdot wasn't accepting MS ads, and other ads that generally insult my intelligence, for that matter (I especially liked the 133t-speak ads about MySQL vs. PostgreSQL; the "you'll loose your job if you don't read ITManagersJournal!" scare ads trying to play on my fears surrounding job security are particularly offensive).

And how many people who go to that site.. (1)

the_rajah (749499) | more than 10 years ago | (#9339010)

believe anything that MS puts out in its ads? I think it's OK for MS to fund a pro-linux site that way so long as it does not affect their editorial policies.

"Do the Right Thing. It will gratify some people and astound the rest." - Mark Twain

In case it's Slashdotted (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9339011)

"I founded and managed Linux Today in 1998, bringing it up from nothing into the most powerful and large Linux news website in the world, in less than a year. I am now calling on the Linux community to boycott my creation until its current owners stop accepting money from Microsoft to publish blatantly anti-Linux/pro-Microsoft ads.

Back in 1997, prior to the foundation of LWN.net and LinuxWorld.com, good online daily Linux news sources were non-existent. As a result of the growth of this community, news websites were inevitable. The first one that I am aware of was Three Point's Linux News, founded, managed and published by your humble editor.

Within a year, that website was relaunched with the cooperation of Dwight Johnson as Linux Today, and a new era in fast-faced Linux news was born. With the help of myself, Dwight Johnson, Marty Pitts, Paul Ferris, John Wolley, and others, it provided hourly news, information, reviews and editorials to an information-thirsty community. The rest of the story is, as they say, history.

Today, the original Linux Today team is no longer a part of the that website, and it is operated by the good people at internet.com (Jupiter Media). internet.com has been good to the Linux community over the years since they acquired it in 1999, continuing to operate the news site and giving resources to it so it could continue to serve this Linux world.

When they started added popups and animated banner advertisements for all kinds of irrelevant things, the community looked the other way and continued reading their site. These ads, while irritating, have been largely useless and harmless to the community.

Recently, however, Linux Today has added a new client to its list: Microsoft. Not only are Microsoft-sponsored advertisements appearing on that site now, but the ads are downright anti-Linux.

Today, there is a flash ad on the top-right hand screen that is a case study of the convenient store 7-11's TCO study between Linux and Microsoft. Ultimately, Microsoft won the study and the CIO of 7-11 is quoted (in the ad that is running on Linux Today!) as saying: "...the TCO for the Windows Server System approach was 20% less expensive than Linux." The fact that this ad is appearing on a cornerstone Linux community website is an absolute outrage.

On the same page, without reloading, as a text ad that says: "Attend a Microsoft(r) Executive Circle Webcast and get guidance from industry experts..."

Reload the page, and you might see another flash advertisement that says: "Weighing the cost of Linux vs. Windows? Let's review the facts." The following frame shows a bar chart with a Y-axis representing cost. Linux's bar is 10 times higher than Windows'.

Here are my points for the Linux community:

1. Do we want to continue to support a Microsoft-friendly (and anti-Linux) website by continuing to read it daily?

2. Would we be comfortable sending our boss and/or other decision makers in our company to this website for Linux-related news and information?

3. Can we continue to trust this website with unbiased news, now that we see how close to Microsoft they are?

It's easy to say that these are just ads, but the truth is, Linux Today is now being sponsored/funded by Microsoft, and they are cheerfully placing blatantly anti-Linux advertisements on their home page. This is an outrage that must be stopped.

If internet.com will continue to treat the Linux community with the same level of respect that it did a few years ago, then they should rightfully enjoy any profitability that comes its way. If, on the other hand, they continue catering to Microsoft and other enemies of Linux, then I can't imagine that the Linux community will allow it to happen."

Who reads ads anyways? (1)

bpatterson (554715) | more than 10 years ago | (#9339012)

Seriously, who reads those ads? I say take Microsoft's money and run. If they are handing over the cash, the income will outweigh the loss of a few morons who are swayed by lame advertising on random websites.

rather than boycott... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9339013)

how about we just slashdot it instead?

Why Not Leech Money? (1)

CHaN_316 (696929) | more than 10 years ago | (#9339015)

You could just encourage your users to use a browser that can block certain ads, so in this case, just block the Microsoft ad. This is great because you still get money for the ad impression, and Microsoft gets nothing for their ad. Given enough time, when Microsoft realizes that advertising with your site is useless, they'll simply stop paying for the ads and leave. So, I think this is a pragmatic way of sticking it to the man rather than applying censorship.

I don't notice the ads anymore (1)

Slurms (144553) | more than 10 years ago | (#9339027)

/. has ads?

I seem to have trained myself to not notice them anymore.

As if... (1)

gillbates (106458) | more than 10 years ago | (#9339028)

Someone who browsed LinuxToday was actually going to go out and buy a Microsoft product?!

If LT is gets hits on a click-through basis, I say we /. them so that at least Microsoft will be spending some money to support Linux.

I mean, what's the harm in taking money from Microsoft? Wasn't that what Linux advocacy was all about in the first place?

OT manybe (2, Informative)

frodo from middle ea (602941) | more than 10 years ago | (#9339029)

I have boycotted Linux Today, a long time ago. For every artile , you see a brief clipping , then a link.

You click on the link and it takes you to another linux Today page, with slightly more clipping (WTF) . Only when you click the second link, do you get to see the actual article.

Two clicks to visit a External Article, No thanks.

xbox hacking sites (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9339036)

I have seen MikeRoweSoft advertize on XBOX hacking sites. Who are they kidding? Like anyone there would actually buy software.
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