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Sad news ... Ronald Reagan, dead at 93 (0, Troll)

Hot Summer Nights (771962) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349487)

I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi actor Ronald Reagan was found dead in his Bel Air home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his bombs, there's no denying his contributions to popular poverty. Truly an American icon.

Re:Sad news ... Ronald Reagan, dead at 93 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349504)

Piss off!

President Reagan did more good for the America and the rest of the world than any US president ever since. He was not afraid to confront the evil of communism wherever it was gaining hold. He brought down the tyranny of the Soviet Union. Don't you dare to insult the memory of this great man!

Re:Sad news ... Ronald Reagan, dead at 93 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349513)

Merrily we troll along!

Re:Sad news ... Ronald Reagan, dead at 93 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349725)

What exactly did Reagan do? I don't remember one goddamn thing he did that benefited this country. I do remember his trampling of the Constitution. E.g.: Disparate crack rock /cocaine powder sentencing laws, illegal funding of Nicaraguan terrorists, racebaiting of black welfare mothers, crushing Reaganomics, bloated deficits, allowing Nancy Reagan's psychics to determine US policy, the Iran Contra scandal, giving silent approval to Saddam Hussein's gassing of the Kurds, invading the helpless banana republic of Grenada, saluting Nazi war veterans in Germany, adding to the military-industrial complex with the Star Wars plan, illegally interfering in labor strikes, etc. I could go on and on. Enlighten me as to his "achievements."

Re:Sad news ... Ronald Reagan, dead at 93 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349808)

invading the helpless banana republic of Grenada

Helpless? That was a British colony until Reagan came along.

Gentoo (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349488)

Why don't you install Gentoo [gentoo.org] instead?

Where's the ISOs? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349491)

*sigh* I want my ISOs

Re:Where's the ISOs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349926)

Use your favorite peer-to-peer network, don't hesitate - it's legal!

SUSE cannot match what BSD offers... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349496)

Is it any wonder people think Linux [debian.org] users are a bunch of flaming homosexuals [lemonparty.org] when its fronted by obviously gay losers [nylug.org] like these?! BSD [dragonflybsd.org] has a mascot [freebsd.org] who leaves us in no doubt that this is the OS for real men! If Linux had more hot chicks [hope-2000.org] and gorgeous babes [hope-2000.org] then maybe it would be able to compete with BSD [openbsd.org] ! Hell this girl [electricrain.com] should be a model!

Linux [gentoo.org] is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her [dis.org] ! I mean just look at this girl [dis.org] ! Doesn't she [dis.org] excite you? I know this little hottie [dis.org] puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox [spilth.org] . As you can see, no man can resist this sexy [spilth.org] little minx [dis.org] . Don't you wish the guy in this [wigen.net] pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass [dis.org] ?! Wouldn't this [electricrain.com] just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe [electricrain.com] definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this [electricrain.com] shot! Linux [suse.com] has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she [imagewhore.com] is better than an overweight penguin [tamu.edu] or a gay looking goat [gnu.org] ! Wouldn't this [electricrain.com] be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?

With sexy chicks [minions.com] like the lovely Ceren [dis.org] you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD [netbsd.org] if she [dis.org] told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close [dis.org] to such a divine beauty [czarina.org] !

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I need TP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349499)

for my bumhole

Re:I need TP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349606)

Sigh, I shouldn't even have to say this, but it's "bunghole". If you're gonna post junk, at least spell it correctly.

GRAMMAR NAZI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349693)

  1. Your sentence has an improper placement of a period outside of the quotation marks. Don't tell me you're British either. Limeys aren't allowed here.
  2. s/gonna/going to/

Suse sucks (0, Flamebait)

Bad Move (774329) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349500)

FTP or not, it's still the worst of all distros.

Suse is not free (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349502)

While they might give the appearance of software freedom, in actuality, their lack of ISO's makes the system completely unusable for anyone who is unwilling to pay for their proprietary installation (Yast2, I believe).

The tying of proprietary software to free software is a bastardization of the concept of a free software ecosystem. The two types of software simply cannot co-exist.

Even though Suse floats with the cream of the crop when it comes to Linux distributions, it is clearly the scum from the bottom of the bucket that somehow rose up along with that cream (RedHat).

Re:Suse is not free (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349518)

RedHat is cream?

Heavily modified kernels and start-up scripts that make it impossible to use third-party packets and no free (=no registration required) upgrades like emerge or apt-get.

No thanks.

Re:Suse is not free (5, Funny)

aurispector (530273) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349543)

Ok then is there any concensus about which distro is the best? I realize that there are a lot of variables here but I would think that stability, support and documentation would be three big factors.

Re:Suse is not free (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349595)

In that case I propose you to create your own distro. It will certainly match all your criteria best then :-)

Re:Suse is not free (2, Insightful)

levell (538346) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349600)

You're new around here, right?

If I had any mod points, I'd mod you funny. The flame wars between the zealots of each distro are so hot we should be using them for power. I think it may be a little while before we reach a consensus (i.e. long term on a scale where the heat death of the universe is just around the corner).

Re:Suse is not free (1)

DarkProphet (114727) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349603)

Well, I used RedHat from 5.0 thru 8.something I've used Suse 7.0 thru 9.0 Pro and Mandrake 7 thru 9.

SuSE, hands down. RedHat consistantly went down the crapper with each new version (more functionality, but more spurious errors. Gnome never did work worth a crap for me on RedHat). Mandrake is okay but same issues RedHat had, only to a much lesser degree. SuSE was great from the first time I used it, and has gotten consistently 'better' with each new release. It works without a lot of messing around -- which I don't mind, I just don't have time for it these days. SuSE is a great distro for those who don't need their hand held, but don't have all day to hack together configs and the like.

Re:Suse is not free (1)

SphericalCrusher (739397) | more than 10 years ago | (#9350038)

And user-friendliness. With that, even Windows users can be able to use it. Take for instance, my friend Thomas can run MandrakeLinux and Lycoris like a charm.. because he's experienced with Windows, but he can't run Slackware or Debian.

Re:Suse is not free (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349541)

why is it unusable? There is a boot.iso, burn it, boot it, install from ftp. If you want to have everything on you local disc, mirror the whole tree and install then.

btw: YaST2 is GPL now ...

Re:Suse is not free (3, Informative)

MoonFog (586818) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349566)

I did that on SuSE 9.0, downloaded the entire tree and mirrored it on one machine. It worked great! It's still not the same as downloading the .iso files, burn them and boot up. The entire tree was somewhere close to 9 gb, while the iso files are often only 3 cd's.
It does work rather well though, so if you have a fast connection and don't mind waiting a bit for it, downloading the tree is an excellent way of getting SuSE.

Re:Suse is not free (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349585)

9gb !!

ill stick with Windows and 1 cd thanks, i had no idea linux was so full of bloat

Re:Suse is not free (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349596)

OMG LOLLOL LUNIX IS BIG!

Er, pardon. Anyways, it's extra software (things like office applications) and the source to those applications that makes it big. Last time I checked MS Office was 2 cds, and if you had the source that would be another 2 cds. Now imagine lots more software.

Re:Suse is not free (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349628)

Last time I checked MS Office was 2 cds, and if you had the source that would be another 2 cds.

The second CD is only images, media, and the like.

One CD for the office suite, one for the operating system. Nine CDs versus Two CDs. I think we all know which is bloated.

LINUX IS *NOT* BLOATED ... (3, Informative)

torpor (458) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349701)

... you Anonymous Logic-Impaired moron.

All those other CD's are extra CD's containing tons of free software that you can use on your newly installed Linux system.

When was the last time you got 9gigs worth of free software with your operating system? No, don't answer that, I don't want to know ... and no, MSDN & Office "updates" don't count ...

I've got a Linux setup that is only 1.4 megs worth of Linux, kernel, apps and libs. Everything beyond that is add-ons ... That is no bloat.

Re:Suse is not free (1)

big tex (15917) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349751)

Arrgh.

Why do you forget the source!!!
Which of your MS CD's include the source?

Besides, My SuSE CD Set comes with more than an Office Suite.

I've got (In no particluar order):
OpenOffice.org
Koffice
Planmaker/Textma ker
Gnome Office (Gnumetric, Abiword)
Scribus

That's at least 4.5 Suites, more considering all of the other office-y tools. Not even a fair comparison.

Re:Suse is not free (1)

sigaar (733777) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349866)

Grandparent probably didn't look before he downloaded. 9GB would give you all the packages, all the sources (big) and probably all the updates and extra packages provided on the FTP site.

Re:Suse is not free (1)

CracktownHts (655507) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349947)

There is a boot.iso, burn it, boot it, install from ftp

Whatever... I've tried that on three different machines (two homebuilt, one Dell) and in no case was there a usable Ethernet driver (or whatever they're called in the Linux world). Apparently if you don't have one of the 10 most common (as determined by Suse) Ethernet chips, you have to find an appropriate driver yourself.

Maybe this isn't such a big deal if you're fairly Linux savvy and have an extra machine to dick around on the internet with and you don't mind wasting time and a lot of blank CDs while trying to find the right driver, but burn, boot, install? You left out about six steps.

Re:Suse is not free (5, Informative)

RayAlmostAnonymous (599340) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349542)

Novell GPL-ed Yast2, so SuSE is free now. The packages that are missing from the FTP install are things like a database package and some other app. Nothing you cannot do without.

Re:Suse is not free (3, Interesting)

kjj (32549) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349645)

This raises an interesting question. Can unofficial ISOs now be distributed since YaST is no longer encumbered? I remember that vendors like Cheapbytes and other CD burning houses were not able to sell SuSE as an unoffical CD since ironically enough the license on YaST forbid anyone but SuSE for charging for the software. Now with this restriction gone couldn't vendors just master there own unoffical CD's from the FTP packages. I believe that Cheapbytes has already done this with OpenBSD since they can't use his copyrighted ISO layout.

Re:Suse is not free (4, Informative)

pmjordan (745016) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349575)

Even before Yast2 got GPLed, they supplied the binaries with the FTP version. You can, and always have been able to, install the FTP version fine. In fact, I've been doing so with every version since SuSE 8.1. (I bought some earlier versions)

The only difference to the commercial version is that the FTP version doesn't include proprietary software that they can't redistribute via FTP for free for licensing reasons. They do have licenses for some proprietary software, such as Acrobat Reader, Opera, etc.

Know the facts before you criticise/troll.

Re:Suse is not free (1)

MoonFog (586818) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349586)

The package you get when buying SuSE is also quite impressive. I haven't bought it in a long time (SuSE 7.1), been using Slackware exclusively, but I remember getting a couple of books in addition to the 7cd's and 1 dvd. Hell, it wasn't even that expensive.
Do they still supply the books in the package?

Re:Suse is not free (3, Informative)

pmjordan (745016) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349620)

They do, especially with the Professional Edition.
Personal Edition is a bit dumbed-down (not even kernel source packages, useless if you need proprietary video drivers!) but still has some books, which are more entry-level aimed. Pair Personal Edition with the FTP version though and you're all set.

Re:Suse is not free (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349655)

Personal Edition is a bit dumbed-down (not even kernel source packages, useless if you need proprietary video drivers!)

Sounds like a GPL violation to me.

Re:Suse is not free (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349759)

Just because you don't know the GPL well.

Re:Suse is not free (1)

big tex (15917) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349804)

No, they provide (somewhere in the copious documentation) links to download them yourself from SuSE.

Wha-la, source provided.

Re:Suse is not free (1)

Laebshade (643478) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349700)

I second that.

I've been installing SuSE since 8.2 via FTP. I was very pleased with FTP, but like all other distros, I could not get my brand-spankin' new Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe motherboard (nVidia chipset) working correctly with my ATi Radeon 9500. It'll work, sure, but the OpenGL component is extremly slow. I want to play games on Linux, real ones like UT2k4, not the petty ones includes with most distros.

Re:Suse is not free (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349876)

I'm no big fan of SuSE's lack of downloadable ISOs or not providing a "community" distribution like Debian, Slack, Fedora, or Mandrake do. In my opinion, this has cost SuSE "mindshare" (in marketing-speak, of course) and has prevented greater adoption among hobby and home/desktop users. "Passaround" distributions tend to be the most popular in polls and tend to curry the greatest favor, developer attention, user feedback/support, third-party additions and other generally good benefits.

However, the general reading of the old YaST license was that it was liberal enough to allow free redistribution - you just couldn't make copies of SuSE and charge for them. Of course, YaST is now/will soon be GPL, so this is academic. In that spirit, if you haven't found them, yet, Tux.org is providing torrents to SuSE 9.1 ISOs [tux.org]

Olde. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349524)

Ye Olde

ok.. (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349544)

so is it Suse, silent 'e'? Or SusEE or SusAY? or what??

Re:ok.. (1)

Sexy Bern (596779) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349560)

I always thought it was prounounced "sooz-ay".

Re:ok.. (1)

colonslashslash (762464) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349580)

"I always thought it was prounounced "sooz-ay"."

Many people still call it "Susie".

Same as alot of people still call Linux "Line-ucks" and people still pronounce GNU as "Gee En Yu".

Not that it really matters....

Re:ok.. (1)

matt4077 (581118) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349578)

well, its originally a german company. Don't know if the name is supposed to be pronounced english, but in german it would be with soft S (you don't have that sound in english i believe, just imagine a stereotypical nazi-german saying 'this').
The 'e' is not silent, pronounced like the e in 'the'.

So all in all it would be ThuThe, with the ths misspronounced german-style.

Re:ok.. (2, Funny)

torpor (458) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349686)


Well, I live in Germany, and I've heard Germans say it the same way they say the German word for 'sweet' ... which phonetically sounds like "zoo-seh"...

Maybe we should get Linus to record how he says it for us ...

Re:ok.. (1)

It'sYerMam (762418) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349711)

I went to germany, and they said sweet (approximated for English) "soos."
From my (limited) knowledge of german I'd say it was soo-suh.

Re:ok.. (1)

The Infamous Grimace (525297) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349904)


From my (limited) knowledge of german I'd say it was soo-suh.

This is how I heard it was pronounced, as well. And how I continue to pronounce it.

I'm pretty psyc'd about this; I like suse, it's the only distro that I've used that worked as it was supposed to. I've been thinking about installing it on my antiquated G3 powerbook; I boot back and forth between OS 9 and OS X too much (VPC is too painful to use under OS X on my old hardware), and am seriously looking at Linux with MacOnLinux.

(tig)

Re:ok.. (3, Funny)

DarkProphet (114727) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349579)

I've always pronounced it "Sooze", as in like what the RIAA does to unwary teenagers ;-)

Re:ok.. (4, Informative)

ValourX (677178) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349588)

According to the company, it's:

SOO-suh

-Jem

SOO-suh (2, Funny)

wombatmobile (623057) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349912)

SOO-suh

As pictured here [usd.edu] and detailed here [dws.org] .

Re:ok.. (1)

Bring back the old t (784356) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349594)

It's spelled "Suse", but pronounced "the worst of all possible distributions".

Re:ok.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349757)

It's spelled "Suse", but pronounced "the worst of all possible distributions".

Shut Up Stupid ... ...damn, 'idiot' starts with an 'I'.

Oh-No (0)

rainer_d (115765) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349547)

The server at desktopos.com got slashdotted just by mentioning it on osnews.com - hardly a mass-media site IMO.

And now slashdot goes and makes it a frontpage-article....

Re:Oh-No (1)

Neophytus (642863) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349563)

And it's true - gone already.

Slashdotter aldready (-1, Redundant)

Rectum2003 (686009) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349548)

11 comments so far and desktopos.com is /.ed...

AND WE GIVE A SHIT BECAUSE....? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349570)

bueller
bueller
bueller...?

[Q] rsync mirrors? (1)

mogul (103400) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349573)

Anyone knows of some good public rsync mirrors allready offering SuSE-9.1?

Re:[Q] rsync mirrors? (3, Informative)

nouser (785936) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349656)

An excellent public rsync mirror:
rsync://rsync.mirror.ac.uk/ftp.suse.com/p ub/suse/i 386/9.1/

Re:[Q] rsync mirrors? (1)

lanchdanan (649784) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349850)

rsync://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/suse.com/

MOD DOWN (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349910)

Disgusting gay porn link!

When Suse is mentioned at my local LUG.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349574)

.. I just laugh so hard that it hurts.

Re:When Suse is mentioned at my local LUG.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349607)

No, that pain is from the cock in your ass.

SuSE (5, Interesting)

clymere (605769) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349593)

That would explain why last week i downloaded their FTP install boot disk and was unable to get it to work.

In the meantime I've installed Slackware instead...and much more atisfied with that then I was with SuSE 8.2.

My experience so far has been that RPM-based distros like SuSE and Red Hat that attempt to simplify dependency problems with propreitary upgrade tools inevitably just end up causing me much more frustration. SuSE had NO provision for getting software other than what was in the version I'd installed(8.2) and wouldn't even install apt4rpm due to dependency hell. I've found installing and upgrading new software in Slackware a 1000x simpler than any RPM.

I will attest to Yast being a nice tool, that was easy to use, and did a pretty good job of detecting my hardware. But the complications in upgrading individual packages in a registered copy of their distro proved too frustrating to justify sticking with it.

I would only reccomend SuSE to a newbie who has no desire for messing around with things once its installed, and just wants it to work reasonably well from the beginning.

Re:SuSE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349622)

Don't know what you did wrong with apt4rpm. I am using it on all my 8.2 and 9.0 machines. OK, that is only some 10 or so, but should prove it works.
Check http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/

Pit

Re:SuSE (1)

Phosphor3k (542747) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349629)

Way to read the README.TXT file that was in the nearly empty release directory. It said the 9.1 packages wouldn't be in the directories until June 4th.

Re:SuSE (2, Interesting)

clymere (605769) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349674)

i didn't say i was smart, i just said that explained my problem :)
I'm not sure about the apt4rpm myself, i read up on all its required dependencies, and downloaded and installed each thing in proper order. At a certain point each one i started getting conflicting dependencies...ugh.
I was only trying SuSE because i'd gotten a free version of SuSE 8.2 complete with registration, and figured it was worth a shot. Some of my problems are undoubtedly due my not being a regular user of the distro. Generally speaking however, I've found Slackware much easier to work with then SuSE or Red Hat...and I am very much a newbie, crossing over from a lifetime of Windows use.
Some of these tools just seem to be the antithesis of what i switched to Linux for in the first place: choice. If all i wanted was a system to make decisions for me...well i've got a windows box for that :)

Re:SuSE (1)

Phosphor3k (542747) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349704)

OK, I admint it. I tried three or four times to do an FTP install before the files were released.

=(

Re:SuSE (4, Informative)

big tex (15917) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349724)

"I would only reccomend SuSE to a newbie who has no desire for messing around with things once its installed, and just wants it to work reasonably well from the beginning."

Bzzt. Try again.

I've been running SuSE since 6.1, and always mess around with things and install extra software, usually not official SuSE packages. Generic RPM's usually work OK. If not, SuSE still ships with enough to ./configure, make, make install - which works.
Automatic package dependancy does leave a little to be lacking when you use non-SuSE packages (foolib? What the hell is foolib?), but since the monster CD/DVD set contains almost every library you would possibly want, you can install it then.

As for actually installing the RPM's, you could do it with YAST, or KPackage, or by the CLI - the computer dosen't care.

Lets see you do that for hundreds of systems (5, Interesting)

leereyno (32197) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349842)

I work for the Fulton school of engineering at Arizona State University. There are several hundred Linux systems here, and I support almost all of them in one way or another. I've had people try to tell me that we should be using Debian, Slackware, Gentoo, and even FreeBSD and OpenBSD. Sometimes this advice is based upon some genuine technical reason but all too often it is based upon ideology, especially where Debian is concerned. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to use a distro just because it follows the FSF/GNU flavor of political correctness. The day the unix world chooses ideology over technology is the day we are doomed.

The distributions we encourage our customers to use are Redhat/Fedora because this distro family is easy to support. Those other distros may or may not have real (technical) advantages over Redhat, but none of them scale as well as Redhat does. SuSE may scale equally well but due to Redhat's popularity we simply haven't had much call to try and work on SuSE systems. If Fedora proves to be unstable we may switch to SuSE, especially if it becomes more popular than Fedora.

The reason why we push Redhat/Fedora and not some other distro is because we don't want to have to install packages by hand or compile stuff from source all the time. Hand installs and compiles are great when you've got one system to support, but that just doesn't work when you're trying to support several hundred systems.

We have to look at what is the best solution for ALL of the systems at the same time, not just what solution would work best for one particular system.

Lee

Re:SuSE (2, Interesting)

mz2 (770412) | more than 10 years ago | (#9350065)

That's a bit trollish. SUSE's own binary repository plus the contrib repo is vast, it's really hard to find packages that aren't included. And there are other unofficial repositories if you're not happy with SUSE's.

Besides, by principle, I can't really see anything wrong with providing automatically dependency-aware installation tool with RPMs? That'not even any RH & SUSE specific approach. Especially when the one in SuSE works so well, I don't really see any reason to mock RPM-based packaging systems... And as everybody keeps repeating, it's not even proprietary at all.

Being well documented, stable and easy to use does not make SUSE a newbie distro. In fact, it's very much far from being _just_ an easy first glimpse into Linux.

robbIE's pateNTdead PostBlock censorship devise (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349598)

kode, not free (as in speech), at any price? yet another kode bullowned, alert?

from a post meant to be titled:

unprecedented evile nearly disempowered, forever?
(score: mynuts won:-) previously PostBlocked(tm) material reposted)

by a disorganized rag-tag team of a few billion near nobodys, using what was available to them, which was almost nothing?

& just who are some of unprecedented evile's local representative(s)?:

The contract was awarded to Accenture, formerly Andersen Consulting, over two competing contractors, Lockheed Martin and Computer Sciences (a veritas (cess)pool of evile stock markp FraUDsters). Several industry executives and analysts said that the award surprised them and that Accenture had widely been considered the outside candidate.

The award also brought controversy. Accenture is incorporated in Bermuda, and some critics attacked the idea of awarding a contract so valuable and important to national security to a company with its headquarters outside the United States.

After Accenture was named, Representative Lloyd Doggett, a Texas Democrat, suggested the company took advantage of an uneven playing field to win the contract over Lockheed Martin and Computer Sciences.

"If companies truly want to contribute to our nation's security, they can pay their fair share of taxes. If they want a slice of the American pie, they had better help bake it," he said in a statement.

A spokesman for Accenture said that the company paid United States taxes.

Representative Richard E. Neal, a Massachusetts Democrat and a senior member of the House Ways and Means Committee, also questioned the award.

"This decision is outrageous," he said, in a statement. "The Bush administration has awarded the largest homeland security contract in history to a company that has given up its U.S. citizenship and moved to Bermuda. The inconsistency is breathtaking."

the stock markup FraUD/softwar gangster payper liesense hostage grab 'business plan' is looking a little hapless now?

fauxking billyonerrors. sheesh.

lookout bullow. tell 'em robbIE?

all is not lost.

consult with/trust in yOUR creators.... the returns are immeasurable/infinite.

see you there?

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Installation Instruction on HTTP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349602)

This [oregonstate.edu] also applies to version 9.1.

Slashdotted Already (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349609)

Here is a Google mirror cache [google.com]

That was quick (1)

Evets (629327) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349623)

41 comments and desktopos.com is no longer existent. Not even a 404 page... domain not found.

did anyone even check the links?

I'll spring for the full media (5, Informative)

krygny (473134) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349642)

I haven't gotten around to it yet, but I plan to purchase the full media. For ~$90, The documentation alone is worth that. It's a bargain in itself, plus the satisfaction of supporting the community.

Uh, why not? (0, Troll)

wombatmobile (623057) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349653)

"I haven't gotten around to it yet, but I plan to..."

That sounds like an intention to plan to act.

In a free country you can certainly do that, but why mention it here?

Why not just act?

Re:Uh, why not? (1)

krygny (473134) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349669)

"In a free country you can certainly do that, but why mention it here?"

Because it is a free country.

Re:Uh, why not? (2, Insightful)

torpor (458) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349681)


Hey, I appreciated hearing that someone was considering doing this ... it made me think that perhaps I ought to, as well. And I probably also will pay for SUSE (again), for the same reasons as the parents post. FTP version is good, CD version is better.

So it was a positive thing that the parent mentioned it, but I have to wonder just how someone could bother 'querying someones intentions to do something', and then bothering to mention that here ...why?

Re:Uh, why not? (0, Offtopic)

wombatmobile (623057) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349732)

"I have to wonder just how someone could bother 'querying someones intentions to do something', and then bothering to mention that here ...why?"

My interest is primarily investigative, in the scientific sense of the word.

Clearly the original poster sees value in the $90.00 transaction. What then makes the difference between seeing the value and claiming the value by acting? What does it take for this difference to occur?

I am interested because as it happens, more people see the value than claim the value by acting. And yet, clearly the consequences of the former are not the same as the consequences of the latter.

Is this a sign of irrationality (in the economic sense of the word) do you think, or is something else going on here? Uh, or not going on here?

Re:Uh, why not? (0, Offtopic)

torpor (458) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349902)

My interest is primarily investigative, in the scientific sense of the word.

Ermm ... "SLASHDOT EXCEPTION ALERT: subject is attempting clean petri-dish science in a cesspool."

Doesn't make sense ... sorry.

Re:Uh, why not? (0, Offtopic)

wombatmobile (623057) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349944)

Doesn't make sense ... sorry.

How do you mean, "doesn't make sense"? Both those labels came from you.

You labelled my science "clean" and Slashdot "cesspool" (without stating any reason). Then you say the juxtaposition doesn't make sense.

Do you sometimes feel conflicted within yourself?

Re:Uh, why not? (1)

torpor (458) | more than 10 years ago | (#9350003)

Here's the rub: "I just payed for SUSE" vs. "I want to pay for SUSE".

Well, I just paid for SUSE (even though I didn't). How is this going to affect the sway of your 'analysis'.

Scientific sensibilities aside, PAY FOR YOUR FREE SOFTWARE!

Re:Uh, why not? (1)

wombatmobile (623057) | more than 10 years ago | (#9350036)

Well, I just paid for SUSE (even though I didn't).

Sorry, what are you saying?

Scientific sensibilities aside, PAY FOR YOUR FREE SOFTWARE!

I am investigating why it is necessary for you to shout that out. Why don't some people who see the value actually pay for the software?

Re:Uh, why not? (1)

mog007 (677810) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349745)

Let's see if this is more funny than insightful...

I live in the U.S., you insensitive clod!

Re:I'll spring for the full media (1)

Oarryan (581350) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349966)

Although it's for 9.0 and I'm not sure it duplicates the retail manuals, Novell has User and Admin guides (plus other SUSE-related pdfs) available here [novell.com]

I installed this yesterday (5, Informative)

danormsby (529805) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349646)

I installed this yesterday. Took around 4 hours on my home 1MBit to upgrade from SuSE 9.0 using the mirror.ac.uk mirror.

Tip! Get the IP address of the ftp server before attempting the install! DNS isn't picked up on the SuSE boot/install CD.

Re:I installed this yesterday (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9350019)

I'm using DHCP on my NAT and the mirror url ftp.nl.uu.net, not its IP. Works fine.

FTP takes a long time. (1)

datadriven (699893) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349659)

I tried to install SUSE when 9.0 came out and gave up when it wasn't done installing after 4 hours. I might have liked it who knows? I'll stick with slackware thanks.

Re:FTP takes a long time. (1)

imsabbel (611519) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349723)

Then i can give you a good hint for the future:
If you ever get sick of slackware, dont try gentoo... ;)

Re:FTP takes a long time. (1)

datadriven (699893) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349766)

Yeah I gave up on Gentoo also. Other than that I've tried just about every distro that offers a free download, and still keep coming back to slack.

Re:FTP takes a long time. (1)

GlowStars (57169) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349782)

You probably tried it with a slow ftp mirror. An ftp install will only download the packages you really want instead of everything when you download ISOs, so there is no reason why installing SuSE would be that slow.

yeah well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349679)

display still wont work my my compaq m700 laptop...

mandrake does....

FaiBlzors (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349690)

ThiS mistake or

My SuSE 9.1 experiences so far (4, Informative)

arcade (16638) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349694)

First off, let me say that I quite simply love SuSE, it's my favorite distribution. Furthermore, I use the packaged version, not the FTP version.

However, my first experience with 9.1 was not impressive. I tried to update my laptop, instead of reinstalling. The result was far from good.
- The touchpad stopped working
- Sound stopped working
- Outdated daemons still started, and prevented other daemons from starting afterwards (acpid started instead of powersaved, among other things).
- And loads of general badness.

In short, it quite simply sucked.

I suspected this was do to flaky update mechanisms, which also turned out the be correct. As a good user, I have /home on its own partition, so a fresh reinstall are a piece of cake without touching my actual data.

The reinstall worked flawlessly. Most things was installed the right way, and worked as it should at once. With one exception.

That xception was that acpi was loaded instead of apm - and acpi is buggy on my laptop. I edited /boot/grub/menu.lst and added acpi=off - then I edited /etc/powersave.conf and enabled user-suspend or whatever it was called. Worked like a charm.

In other words, I think the 'update' routine sucks, while 'install' works like a charm.

Re:My SuSE 9.1 experiences so far (3, Informative)

really? (199452) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349828)

Nah, you just got lucky on the install.
I have installed 9.1 on a couple _IDENTICAL_ machines, and made the same choices. The installs were different, for example, in one of them the sound was not working. Reinstalling fixed the sound though.
Also, I installed the Amd64 version on a Gigabyte board. Had to do it twice - also a fresh install both times - and although I selected all the packages both times the results were different. In addiction the first time sound was not working.
Having said all that, it still remains my favourite distribution, and I will continue to use it on my desktop - freeBSD and, sometimes, netBSD on the servers though.

Re:My SuSE 9.1 experiences so far (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9349865)

I used suse from 5.1 to 8.0, except for a couple releases I never got around to buying.

I eventually switched to Debian because I got tired of spending 2 weeks after upgrading trying to figure out why everything stopped working.

And as far as reinstalling, if I wanted to do that, I'd use Windows!

FTP (1)

atomic-penguin (100835) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349740)

I read this as them having a new ftp client, available on their ftp server. That would be ironic.

Just did an apt-get dist-upgrade (2, Informative)

Erik Hensema (12898) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349922)

Using apt4rpm I just completed a dist-upgrade. I have had a few major problems:

  • The shadow package is now called 'pwdutils'. This confuses apt a lot
  • During the installation of the 'devs' rpm (containing /dev) apt segfaulted. I'm not sure if this was caused by the installation of devs or due to a corrupted rpm database. A 'rpm --rebuilddb' fixed it for me
  • The (unofficial!) KDE 3.2 packages in the Suse 9.0 repository have identical version numbers as the Suse 9.1 rpms, it seems. However, the dependencies differ. You'll have to remove KDE and reinstall

My overall impression of the distro so far is that it's suse 9.0, but slightly better.

Where's my SATA RAID? (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 10 years ago | (#9349965)

Bah, all I want is the installer kernel to be able to grok my SATA RAID set, without having to resort to custom boot disks, or God forbid, using Debian or Gentoo. When will a mainstream, it-just-works distro support these disk controllers?

My experience so far... (1)

kotj.mf (645325) | more than 10 years ago | (#9350130)

I've been running 9.1 for a couple of weeks now on my 800mhz P3 notebook from KDS. I went ahead and bout the CDs because I'm stuck on dialup at the moment.

I like.

Boot time is a little bit slower than 8.2, but that's probably because I haven't gone through at disabled all the unneeded services yet.

There was an extremely minor irritation with X not recognizing my monitor geometry, so that I got an annoying popup every time KDE started up. Still looked fine. Anyway, I set the physical dimensions in SaX, and now I'm cruising. I didn't bother to figure out whether it's a Suse problem or a KDE problem.

The only MAJOR annoyance is the way GNOME apps look in KDE. Suse has made Liquid the default theme across both desktops, and I hate the way Liquid looks. I much prefer the old GTK default style. Certain widgets still have that oversized, OSX-y 3D look that I find extremely annoying.

Anybody know how to get Gnome apps to use the correct theme when running in KDE?

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