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Apple Music Store Coming to Europe & iTunes in China

Hemos posted more than 10 years ago | from the launching-into-the-new-world dept.

Media (Apple) 219

frankie writes "As reported everywhere, Apple is holding a press conference in London on Tuesday June 15. The entirely un-subtle official sound bite is "the biggest story in music is about to get even bigger", not what we've come to expect from Lord Steve." Or read through the Reuters report. In other news, it appears that Apple has struck a deal with China's second larger computer manufacturer to preinstall iTunes.

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219 comments

double standards? (-1, Troll)

Starla LeSalle (786187) | more than 10 years ago | (#9356964)

While I'm sure it's all fine and dandy that Apple is now bringing more capitalism to China, you have to think, if Microsoft was doing this with Windows Media Player, you guys would be having a fit. There's a lot of double standards when it comes to Apple and Microsoft, and personally, I think that if given the right circumstances, Apple would've made all the same anticompetitive decisions that Microsoft has. Not that I'm denouncing either. It's a cut-throat world and you've gotta survive and thrive.

Then again, what do the chinese listen to, anyway?

Re:double standards? (1)

whiteSanjuro (693864) | more than 10 years ago | (#9356973)

ughhh...music?

Re: double standards? (5, Insightful)

Dlugar (124619) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357020)

The big issue, stated time and again, is that Microsoft has a desktop monopoly, so they can't bundle the same things that others can. If Apple were in a monopoly position, you can bet your bottom dollar that the Slashdot crowd would be hollering just as loud as they do against Microsoft (which isn't, incidentally, that loud).

It doesn't have anything to do with the mysterious anti-Microsoft pro-Apple conspiracy. People just like rooting for the underdog, even if the underdog would be just as Evile as the top dog if/when given the chance.

Dlugar

Re: double standards? (3, Insightful)

bladernr (683269) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357272)

People just like rooting for the underdog, even if the underdog would be just as Evile as the top dog if/when given the chance.

Which begs the question: What will community consensus say if Linux continues on its current trajectory and achieves enough market share to be considered a monopoly in certain markets, like service operating systems? Would the community turn against Linux and root for the underdogs, namely *BSD, Apple, and Microsoft?

Re: double standards? (3, Interesting)

phazethru (785978) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357428)

Probably not. The sheer number of distros would ensure that, while 'linux' may have majority market share, a single distro would never gain enough to be considered a monopoly.

The other point that I think needs to be made is that we're talking about bundling software. If, ?somehow?, linux manages to bundle some software with a required portion of the OS (kernel wont load without mozilla, lets say) then most definitely there will be an outcry. I would expect riots, defections to *BSD, and lonely men all over the globe having nothing to do on the weekends.

I also expect that this is why such a bundling wont happen. It's bad karma to anger your entire user base.

Confusion (4, Insightful)

Walkiry (698192) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357459)

Do not confuse monopoly and monoculture. Both are bad, for different reasons, but they're not the same.

Re:double standards? (2, Insightful)

The Lost Supertone (754279) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357025)

Microsoft has already done this with media player, only they didn't strike up any deals, they just said OK yah this will be on your computers now because it's part of windows. They did the same thing with IE. Only what everyone got pissed off with IE about was the fact that they told people, hey you can have Windows with IE but you can't put netscape on your computers. Otherwise you can't have either. Apple isn't telling any companies to take out media player.

Re:double standards? (4, Interesting)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357033)

not quite. Are they running OS X with iTunes? Nope, it'll be a M$ based system with iTunes as a 3rd party software. That is the difference.

Re:double standards? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9357072)

Why are you so stupid?

...sigh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9357134)

"Then again, what do the chinese listen to, anyway?" It's people like this that have no understanding for anything outside of the their little USA-world, that make this country look so bad to anyone looking inside.

You're implying... (4, Insightful)

lxt (724570) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357202)

"While I'm sure it's all fine and dandy that Apple is now bringing more capitalism to China"

You're implying that China is communist. It's not truly communist - the country would not have experienced such massive growth in population if it wasn't for western companies investing in textiles factories, etc. in China. China owes a lot to western countries for it's absoloutely massive period of growth after the past fifty years. Considering I just three hours ago wrote a two page essay on it for an A-Level... :)

Re:You're implying... (1)

Eslyjah (245320) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357331)

Considering I just three hours ago wrote a two page essay on it for an A-Level... :)

Is "A-Level" some sort of metric school?

Re:double standards? (2, Insightful)

diamondsw (685967) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357344)

The major difference has been past behavior. Microsoft has shown time and time again that they will happily screw over their customers every chance they get to maintain their power and profits. While Apple is also a for-profit corporation, their history has shown from the very, very beginning a different philosophy of "changing the world" and making it a better place (as lofty a goal as that may be).

For instance, while we agree DRM is a Bad Thing, if we accept that it is a prerequisite for successful online distribution of music, which would you rather have? Apple's terms or Microsoft's? Who has fought as much as possible for liberal licensing terms (and not opened their stores without them)? What about Apple fighting royalties on MPEG-4 licensing and not releasing Quicktime 6 until they were settled?

Apple has a much better track record of working with us and for us than Microsoft, and as such they get our support.

Re:double standards? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9357582)

Then again, what do the chinese listen to, anyway?

Probably trance and progressive... I know a LOT of Asians into this type of music.

More news! (4, Interesting)

Mz6 (741941) | more than 10 years ago | (#9356968)

"In other news, it appears that Apple has struck a deal with China's second larger computer manufacturer to preinstall iTunes."

In related news, Microsoft's appeal to the EU [slashdot.org] has been leaked to the press. It seems to consist of an attack against Apple. "Hey, if Apple can preload their iTunes "media player", why can't we? We should be able to do it too!", said an anonymous source close to the Microsoft legal team. Many legal experts seem to think Microsoft 5-year old kid "If he can do it, I can do it to" antics will fail miserably.

Re:More news! (1, Interesting)

Cereal Box (4286) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357207)

Well really, what _is_ the difference? The argument seems to be "well if Microsoft bundles [software], whenever people think of [computing task], they will think [software] is the only way to do it because people are too lazy to download software if it's already bundled." See, for example, IE.

It looks like the same basic thing is happening, but with iTunes instead. To however many millions of Chinese people who buy these computers, iTunes will become synonymous with "buying|playing digital music". And, since the number one online music store software will be pre-installed on their computers, they won't bother seeking alternatives, effectively allowing iTunes to monopolize (if you will) the online music market in China (at least). So... I'm not really sure why all the anti-monopoly folks on Slashdot aren't bitching and complaining about this move. Well, if Slashdot wasn't a highly hypocritical community, that is...

Re:More news! (5, Informative)

pubjames (468013) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357262)

Well really, what _is_ the difference?

Microsoft has a monopoly. Apple doesn't.

That's it. Different rules apply if you have a monopoly. Microsoft may consider this "unfair", but there are good reasons for it.

Re:More news! (1, Interesting)

Cereal Box (4286) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357328)

Monopoly on what, exactly? Just the OS itself? I fail to see how that should limit what applications go into the OS. Microsoft is a monopoly, so they shouldn't be allowed to bundle notepad or solitaire, right? See, that doesn't make any sense.

And neither does this situation. What's the difference between Windows + Media Player (what we have now) and Windows + iTunes (which is what this bundle will create)? You're just substituting one media player for another. The net effect is the same: whichever one is bundled with Windows will end up dominating. If Microsoft isn't allowed to use its OS monopoly, then Apple shouldn't either.

Re:More news! (1)

pubjames (468013) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357351)

I fail to see...

Read up on antitrust laws and why they exist.

Re:More news! (1, Interesting)

Kenja (541830) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357429)

According to you they exist to give one and only one competitor an advantage over everyone else. In this case its Apple getting a leg up on any other music vendor. In my opinion, this is the exact opposite of what the anti trust laws where intended to do.

Re:More news! (4, Insightful)

jkabbe (631234) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357359)

If Microsoft isn't allowed to use its OS monopoly, then Apple shouldn't either.

Apple is cutting independant deals with computer manufacturers based on the quality of its product.

Microsoft is forcing computer manufacturers to ship the Windows Media Player whether they want to or not.

So, no, Microsoft is the only company using the leverage provided by the Windows OS monopoly.

Re:More news! (1, Informative)

Cereal Box (4286) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357470)

Apple is cutting independant deals with computer manufacturers based on the quality of its product.

Money has nothing to do with it, I'm sure.

So, no, Microsoft is the only company using the leverage provided by the Windows OS monopoly.

How do you figure? Isn't Apple leveraging the enormous popularity of Windows and cheap PC prices (as opposed to Apple hardware prices, which I'm guessing don't fly so well in China) to get iTunes installed on as many Chinese computers as possible?

Again, imagine this situation: Microsoft ships Windows with no WMP, only iTunes. Again, is this wrong? Would you be complaining about this?

Microsoft is forcing computer manufacturers to ship the Windows Media Player whether they want to or not.

And they're forcing them to ship system32.dll whether the manufacturers want to or not. I've got news for you -- the only "absolutely essential" part of any OS is the kernel, the rest is all in-house apps that are effectively being "forced" on whoever is reselling the OS in the name of creating a more useful system.

Re:More news! (5, Insightful)

jkabbe (631234) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357550)

How do you figure? Isn't Apple leveraging the enormous popularity of Windows and cheap PC prices (as opposed to Apple hardware prices, which I'm guessing don't fly so well in China) to get iTunes installed on as many Chinese computers as possible?

Your logic is still incredibly faulty.

Hopefully these questions will help clarify the matter:

Does the fact that Microsoft has a monopoly in the OS guarantee that Apple will be able to install iTunes on all PCs sold with Windows?

Does the fact that Microsoft has a monopoly in the OS guarantee that Microsoft will be able to install WMP on all PCs sold with Windows?

For the record, I am not advocating forcing Microsoft to remove WMP from Windows (I would much rather see them forced to open the codecs). I am just explaining how they are leveraging the OS and why the same argument does not apply to others.

If you can't see the difference you're obviously beyond help.

Re:More news! (1)

Mz6 (741941) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357450)

Since Microsoft has the market share in the OS market, they have a monopoly. Because of their monopoly, they are forcing the user to use that media player or use that Internet Explorer. The problem lies in the fact that MIcrosoft essentially wrapped their OS around Media Player.

For an example, in 2000/XP just browsing through the folders and highliting a movie/music file will bring up the Media Player preview on the left hadn side. There is really no way to get rid of that.. They user is still using their Media Player. This is why it's being required to be unbundled. Now.. when previewing a file I don't get to see solitaire or notepad as it's not actually integrated with the OS.

Re:More news! (2, Informative)

Cereal Box (4286) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357544)

Now.. when previewing a file I don't get to see solitaire or notepad as it's not actually integrated with the OS.

Notepad.exe is the default viewer for text files, it just not something you see in explorer.

And as far as media previewing goes, KDE and GNOME have similar functionality, for example. I think most users expect a modern OS to do some sort of previewing in the file manager. Microsoft has to have some sort of application for which to do the previewing, don't you think? And while it would be possible to make other media players hook into the previewing API that WMP uses, there's no guarantee, and hence with a "pluggable" previewing architecture there's no guarantee that the user will have a consistent experience with previewing (that is, no guarantee that it will always work). So, Microsoft opted to have their media player bundled to accomplish this task (and furthermore make the core parts uninstallable... makes sense). If you're really so concerned about WMP, you can easily delete the "wrapper" application, and leave just the core behind.

Re:More news! (1)

Durandal64 (658649) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357283)

Oh yeah, striking a deal with manufacturers to bundle your software is exactly the same as leveraging your desktop monopoly to force your other software on users and then using a license to prohibit manufacturers from putting any competing products on their machines. Tell me, what part of the article says that Apple's license prohibits the manufacturer from putting RealPlayer on there as well? Since when is it impossible to remove iTunes from either Mac OS X or Windows?

Re:More news! (1)

Cereal Box (4286) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357410)

Oh yeah, striking a deal with manufacturers to bundle your software is exactly the same as leveraging your desktop monopoly to force your other software on users

Apple's effectively got a monopoly on Apple hardware Operating Systems, so wouldn't you say they're basically forcing QuickTime and iTunes (I think that's bundled with OS X... if not, it probably will be soon) on users? Explain why this is OK.

then using a license to prohibit manufacturers from putting any competing products on their machines

Last time I looked at an HP machine there was all sorts of crazy third party software on there, like MusicMatch Jukebox and whatnot.

Tell me, what part of the article says that Apple's license prohibits the manufacturer from putting RealPlayer on there as well?

Has anyone actually tried having Apple bundle RealPlayer with OS X? I have a feeling you'll find out that Apple won't let Real do that...

Since when is it impossible to remove iTunes from either Mac OS X or Windows?

I know Slashdotters guffaw at the mention of WMP and IE being "essential" Windows components, but the reality is that it's true, to an extent. MS built in APIs for doing HTML rendering and Media playback which, surprise, surprise, rely on the IE and WMP cores. Nothing inherently evil in that, after all, if you want to use KDE's HTML rendering APIs you've gotta use code developed for Konqueror to do it (to draw an analogy). Now if you were to completely gut Windows of IE and WMP, the problem is that all applications (MS and 3rd party) relying on those components would break in varying ways. In that regard, those two applications are quite essential to normal Windows operation.

About bloody time! (4, Interesting)

oberondarksoul (723118) | more than 10 years ago | (#9356976)

I've been using iTunes for Windows since release, and although I can't actually buy from the iTMS, I've found it an excellent tool for finding music I like - being able to listen to the samples directly from iTunes is a godsend. Personally, I don't see the problem with the DRM Apple use - sure, it's restrictive, but it's not as bad as some - and I can certainly see myself buying from the store upon opening.

All we need now is for Pepsi to offer free songs too...

Re:About bloody time! (1)

MalaclypseTheYounger (726934) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357097)

iTunes was great, when it was free (I drink soda all the time, so got about 50 free songs from iTunes).

I haven't bought a single song since then. I'm debating signing up with Rhapsody and Real, start drinking Heineken, and get some more free songs from them...

(might be a problem replacing my Pepsi with Heineken while at work however)

Re:About bloody time! (3, Funny)

hype7 (239530) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357300)

want to go to the launch party?

here's a copy of the invitation [macrumors.com]

shame about the resolution, but I guess you'll have to earn your keep in photoshop! :)

-- james

Japan First? (3, Insightful)

Rosyna (80334) | more than 10 years ago | (#9356978)

Didn't Jobs say that Japan would be the first non-US country to get the iTMS? Or did that change somehow?

Canada SOMEDAY? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9357023)

What about Canada for pete's sake? Can't even use iTMS in Canada!

Re:Japan First? (2, Funny)

pmhudepo (595903) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357041)

Well, isn't Japan in a slightly different timezone from Europe? If they both launch on June 15th, they'll still be first...

Re:Japan First? (2, Informative)

Paulrothrock (685079) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357068)

He could release it worldwide and that would still be true. Japan is the one of the first places where it's the next day. So if he says "By 12:00AM Local time, you can buy from iTMS," Japan is still one of the first major countries that can do it. This might be a good way of distributing the demand.

Is this where I (0, Redundant)

TVC15 (518429) | more than 10 years ago | (#9356983)

welcome our iTunes Overlords?

Linux client (1)

caston (711568) | more than 10 years ago | (#9356985)

So does this mean that they are porting iTunes to Linux?

I doubt that Apple plans to launch iTMS China... (3, Insightful)

Karpe (1147) | more than 10 years ago | (#9356988)

But every machine that ships with iTunes, ships with QuickTime.

ipod (4, Insightful)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357077)

iTunes store may not be accessible but there are over 1 billion people there and iTunes syncs with the ipod so imagine how many ipods they could sell there.

Re:ipod (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9357304)

They'll sell less than they do in the US. Chinese GDP per head: $4,700 [cia.gov] . US GDP per head: $36,300

Now, you can bet your bottom dollar that less of the GDP in China gets back to the workers, so something maks me think that although they have 1 billion people there, not many of them will be toying with the idea of getting an iPod, iTunes or an iMac or any other Apple device...

Re:ipod (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9357430)

mod grandparent down. parent own3d him.

Bout Time! (-1, Offtopic)

The Lost Supertone (754279) | more than 10 years ago | (#9356991)

Holy crap nobody has replied yet! I CAN REPLY FIRST ON SLASHDOT! Least near it. Anyway this is great now all your Europeans can shut up and realize... Apple still loves you more than us Canuks.

Re:Bout Time! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9357117)

and Tampa Bay is gonna win that cup, eh!?!

Re:Bout Time! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9357267)

The Lightning is about to be humiliated in their own hometown tonight, son. Get ready to have their asses handed to them.

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Its gonna come crashing down (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9357015)


when the Beatles get their injunction, blatent disregard to contracts and trademarks will have its consequences, just hope investors get out first

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000085& sid=a6ni5OCPVzkQ&refer=europe">http://quote.bloomb erg.com/apps/news?pid=10000085&sid=a6ni5OCPVzkQ&re fer=europe [bloomberg.com]

Re:Its gonna come crashing down (4, Interesting)

MORTAR_COMBAT! (589963) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357182)

please tell me the names of artists which apple computer represents as a music label.

oh yeah, there aren't any.

please tell me the ISBN numbers of any CDs which apple computer manufactures for sale.

oh yeah, there aren't any.

apple computer is not behaving as a music label. they are behaving as a website which acts as a 3rd party for music sales.

From your link: That contract stipulated Apple Computer could use the logo for computers, data processing and telecommunications, while the Beatles could retain it for music, according to documents filed by the pop group's lawyers at the High Court.

Apple Computer is providing a massive data processing environment (iTunes Music Store) and allows people to purchase music from -other- labels through this telecommunications link.

Besides the fact that an incredibly common fruit, the apple, being trademarked is absurd in the first place.

Re:Its gonna come crashing down (1)

Have Blue (616) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357246)

The fruit isn't trademarked; the use of the fruit to sell computers trademarked. Using it to sell anything else will not get you sued.

Re:Its gonna come crashing down (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9357346)

err cd's don't have isbn's - thats books...
Cd's have catalogue numbers

http://www.isbn.org
for more info on the former

Re:Its gonna come crashing down (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9357420)

the beatles ? or didnt you read the article

the requirement doesnt say "label" it says music buisness and "selling music" is pretty much what the music biz do, why do you think they have lost repeatedly ? or has the law changed recently ?

the fact that you are too young to remember Apple Music and so trademarks don't matter shows your ignorance and immaturity

Besides the fact that an incredibly common fruit, the apple, being trademarked is absurd in the first place.

yeah like Windows, Passport, Mcdonalds, Sun etc etc

Re:Its gonna come crashing down (1)

jkabbe (631234) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357463)

apple computer is not behaving as a music label. they are behaving as a website which acts as a 3rd party for music sales.

From your link: That contract stipulated Apple Computer could use the logo for computers, data processing and telecommunications, while the Beatles could retain it for music, according to documents filed by the pop group's lawyers at the High Court.


They could violate the trademark without acting like a label. However, notice the distinct lack of the Apple logo on the iTMS. Also notice that the iTMS used to be called the Apple Music Store but now is officially known as the iTunes Music Store.

Apple might be the name of the company, but it's clear that they are trying not to use the Apple name or logo in connection with the music store.

Canada, too! (4, Interesting)

Synesthesiatic (679680) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357026)

There are rumours that Apple may launch iTMS Canada at the same time [macrumors.com] . I guess that'd allow them to retain the element of surprise! Anyhoo, I've got my fingers crossed. Hopefully songs will run 99 cents CAD.

Re:Canada, too! (1)

The Lost Supertone (754279) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357069)

I hope they launch in Canada! Though I've made a point of not getting a credit card... though if they start selling those iTunes cards at 7-11 or something then problem solved... it's to bad they can't do things by Interac. A friend and I recently found a song by one of our fave bands that has since broken up on the iTMS, we pirated it because it's not really available easily here, and it was on a compilation. But if we could just buy that one song Apple would have at least two more Canadian bucks in their bank.

Re:Canada, too! (1)

doodlelogic (773522) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357141)

99 cents? Not likely considering the rumours are for a EURO1.50 price in the EU.

Dunno how they'll price it for the non-Euroified members of the EU though.

Why doesn't Slashdot let me type the EURO symbol?

Re:Canada, too! (1, Informative)

proj_2501 (78149) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357218)

does it let you use the € symbol? Let's try it: €

Re:Canada, too! (1)

dborod (26190) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357465)

Given the exchange rate of the Canadian dollar I can't imagine how they could possibly affort to do this. As of this moment, it costs a Canadian $1.31CDN to buy $0.99 US.

Stupid recursion (5, Funny)

krem81 (578167) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357060)

I click on that Google News link, and lo and behold: this story on Slashdot is the first article in the list. So naturally, I click on that...

Re:Stupid recursion (1)

BensonLeung (667506) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357567)

Not really recursion... more of a set of pointers forming a loop. Hope your garbage collector doesn't work by reference count.

China will be an interesting experiment (4, Insightful)

tji (74570) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357101)

I will be very interested to see how iTMS does in China. That's going into the core of the area where organized piracy has traditionally been the main music and software market.

China has been gaining a large middle class, and a lot of wealth. So, I think there is a big enough potential market that is able to purchase music. We'll see if they are willing to purchase music.

I went to China on a business trip last year, and while walking through an open market in Shanghai I couldn't take five steps without being approached by a kid wanting to sell CD's and DVD's for less than a dollar a piece.

Re:China will be an interesting experiment (2, Informative)

shawnce (146129) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357285)

Just to be clear. iTMS isn't going to be in China this month, at least nothing so far points to that (or if and when it will be). All that is happening is that Apple is getting iTunes, the application, pre-bundled on computers from one major hardware vendor in China. Like it did with HP in the states (which took place before the iPod rebrand deal IIRC).

World’s Best Digital Music Experience (1, Interesting)

abscondment (672321) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357103)

Concerningthe Apple press release">: [apple.com]

Why does Apple insist on calling iTunes/Pod the "World's Best Digital Music Experience"?

It's true--they're becoming too Microsoft-ish if they title the article that based on the idea that the iPod is the #1 music player in the world (1st par).

Even if that's the case, I should hope it's not the best digital music experience. Frankly, unless they've got a huge frickin' mixing board running separate tracks for all instruments rolled into a single player, then all it is is the best portable player. The Best digital music experience...? That costs thousands of dollars in the form of recording/playback equipment and big fucking speakers.

Re:World’s Best Digital Music Experience (1)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357143)

Why does Apple insist on calling iTunes/Pod the "World's Best Digital Music Experience"?

It's called marketing. They are using "buzz" words to attract the attention of more people. the jist is that more people intrested drives up sales, then they make more money.

Re:World’s Best Digital Music Experience (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9357147)

Because "One of several pretty good music experiences" sounded kind of lame to their PR people.

Re:World's Best Digital Music Experience (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9357280)

"Because it's true" is another valid reason...

Re:World's Best Digital Music Experience (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9357384)

well, unless you're in some kind of opposite-day mode where you consider "lies" as being true, then yes, iTunes is the World's Best Digital Music Experience. Otherwise, if you'd rather side with facts, iTunes is a bloated application which hardly stacks up against other programs like Winamp or Foobar, or several other competing applications. Apple just has always had more money to throw at their marketing to hook in people who'll follow the newest trends.

Re:World’s Best Digital Music Experience (2, Informative)

The Lost Supertone (754279) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357179)

You don't own an iPod do you? Fact is the experience of using the iPod is part of it, and the experience of using iTunes is part of it. Working with Audio mixing tools isn't exactly the best because you're doing all the work. You may not agree. But simply because Apple is saying they're the best doesn't mean they're Microsoftish. It means they've still got a huge ego, which is no news. Watch any MacWorld or WWDC and you'll see Steve and company have some massive ego going on. It's not so bad they do make some really great products and do stuff better than most people in the markets they enter. Apple I think entered the MP3 player market with the iPod because iTunes was going well by it'self and they were getting great feedback but the portable player market was not growing the way they saw it could. And decided to fill it. They did the same thing with the iSight recently. There are no really good web cams out there that people all want to buy to do web cam stuff. Now at least for the Mac Apple has filled that void. Apple has a mentality where they'll let a market get to some point and if nobody has taken the lead they'll just come in and blow everyone away. If you notice they have iMovie and iPhoto and yet they haven't made any ventures into the camcorder or camera markets. Why? Cause Canon, Fujifilm, Nikon, HP, Kodak, Samsung, Sony, JVC, and company are all doing very good for digital stuff in these markets.

Re:World’s Best Digital Music Experience (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9357415)

No, it's just marketing bullshit. And that does make them Microsoftish.

Call your product what it is. An mp3 player will never be the "best" digital music experience. Call it the best mp3 player. Call it the best portable music player. Call it a fucking paperweight. I don't care--just call it something it is.

The reason I don't have one is because I have a nice digital STEREO system with big SPEAKERS. Headphones on a little twinkbox just doesn't cut it for the "best" music experience.

Of course, this applies to all mp3 players, in my mind. I'm not trying to flame Apple, per se, but if they're going to tout an mp3 player as the best... aagghhh, we should all just give up now!

Apple would (should...) never call iSight the best digital video experience. The "best" would cost thousands of dollars.
I'm tired of being marketed to with bullshit "I'm the best" and "this is the #1 selling" slogans.

.ogg iTunes, .wav etc (0, Offtopic)

xiando (770382) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357126)

Personally I'd rather have my audio in .ogg or .mp3 format instead of iTunes, .wmv or any other closed not-all-round supported format. I want to be able to use my audio anywhere, on any device. I do not want to be restriced to using any special not-open-source software or device. .ogg audio ownez iTunes any day of the week.

Re:.ogg iTunes, .wav etc (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9357175)

Downloaded music will always be DRM'ed as long as the RIAA is around. And DRM'ed music will never play "anywhere, on any device," regardless of which codec (vorbis, wma, aac/m4a) you use to compress it.

Re:.ogg iTunes, .wav etc (1)

Patik (584959) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357212)

Wow, no one has ever made a comment like that before. You're the first person ever on Slashdot to denounce DRM.

By the way, just use hymn [freshmeat.net] to unlock your files.

Re:.ogg iTunes, .wav etc (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9357221)

Umm. Actually, iTunes can use mp3 natively if you want it to. It can also use unprotected AAC. There is also a plugin to do Ogg with iTunes.

Don't let fears over iTunes' "incompatibility" damn you-- it's not Windows Media, with a click of a button in the preferences you can set it to encode in something you can use in any player that you prefer.

Re:.ogg iTunes, .wav etc (1)

The Lost Supertone (754279) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357294)

Hey now! You said something that actually shows real knowledge of iTunes on Slashdot. And you told someone that their worries over Ogg aren't really valid. And that the world's most popular MP3 player can play MP3s! Are you allowed to do that?

(can you)blame canada? (1)

TripleP (525879) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357132)

with floating excnage rates, the iTunes store can be somewhat volatile for canadian users. i for one would be much more inclined to use a service that billed in CAD, and i'm sure that there are others are out there that agree with me on this one.

Canada is regarded in this way by many american companies though, and really do we have an option? Well, we do, and that is pay in USD or go without

Re:(can you)blame canada? (1)

The Lost Supertone (754279) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357206)

Lately Apple's costs charges in Canada have sometimes been a little lower than the American prices. We might see 99 cent or 1.25 dollar songs up here, which for a 12 song CD still works out to 15 bucks, which is lower than the average 20 dollar CD I buy. But with the RIAA realizing that HEY it's now LEGAL to pirate in Canada, I imagine they'll try and be as nice to Apple as they can up here. Puretracks is selling for 99 cents a track. I would be very happy if we see Apple do this.

Re:(can you)blame canada? (1)

oscast (653817) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357516)

You should always Blame Canada [sing365.com]

iTunes or AllOfMP3? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9357149)

Why choose iTunes over AllOfMp3?

Though AllOfMP3.com is a legally questionable operation, so are the tactics of the RIAA's, whom iTMS users are supporting with every cent they give to the store.

By choosing AllOfMP3.com over Apple's store, you can do the following:

-NOT supporting the RIAA, or a company that chooses to work with, and fund them.
-NOT support the use of the iTMS' proprietary DRM which not only limits what media player you want to play your music on (Most people prefer listening to their music on Winamp intead of being forced to use iTunes to listen to music they paid for), but what digital audio portable you want to use to listen to your music as well.
-have the CHOICE of what format you want your music encoded in, instead of beign stuck with vanilla 128 AACs with Apple's proprietary and limiting DRM.
-pay cheaper than you would for your music, with the added bonus of having more CHOICE with your music formats, and nto send a cent to support the RIAA or a company that supports/funds how they do business.

Re:iTunes or AllOfMP3? (2, Informative)

pubjames (468013) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357318)

Though AllOfMP3.com is a legally questionable operation

It's not a legally questionable operation. It is legal according to Russian law, and it's a Russian company, so it's legal.

Re:iTunes or AllOfMP3? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9357354)

Well, thats becouse allofmp3 isnt legal outside the USA. Jeesus, you dont want to buy the music? Then don't. But that doesnt give you the right to download it.

Re:iTunes or AllOfMP3? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9357358)

You're also not giving a single cent to the artists in any shape or form, instead to some dodgy russian company, may as well just pirate it.

Re:iTunes or AllOfMP3? (1)

danigiri (310827) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357507)

"or a company that chooses to work with" (emphasis mine)

Uh, too outstanding to just not comment... I assure you that *not* "choosing" to work with the RIAA to sell mainstream music in the USA (no disrespect to independents) is a sure way of "choosing" to spend a loooong time in jail. Feel free to present us with your mainstream RIAA-free music online store, I will happily send you my money then, but it will be probably all spent feeding your army of lawyers.

dani++

Not Canada Yet (2, Interesting)

nachoman (87476) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357192)

Now if only they would stop neglecting Canada...

I still don't understand why they don't have iTMS in Canada yet.

Re:Not Canada Yet (1)

shawnce (146129) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357315)

...may be because you can legally steal music in Canada :-)

will we get a linux version of ITunes? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9357208)

Isn't China's "official" OS going to be Linux? If this is the case, it would be hard for all those people on Linux machines to use ITunes

Sound bite is wrong... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9357210)

"the biggest story in music is about to get even bigger"

should read:

"the biggest ego in selling music is about to get even bigger"

C'mon Steve, quit kidding yourself. All you are is a bog-standard online shop, nothing more, nothing less. You most certainly don't warrant calling yourself part of the music industry, you're just tagging along for the glamourous rock-star ride when really, you're just a geek like us...

bah (-1, Redundant)

sulli (195030) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357219)

Apple DRM still sucks. UK buyers: don't fall into the trap! Use iTunes for your MP3 collection and with your iPod, but forget the store unless you use DVD-Jon's decryptor.

on windows or apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9357235)

is it itunes on windows or on mac os x in china?

Too little, too late? (4, Interesting)

Rikardon (116190) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357271)

I just discovered allofmp3.com over the weekend, thanks to others mentioning it on Slashdot, so I'm doing my part to spread the word. They have a good selection (though not as broad as Apple's), but the pricing is unbeatable -- $0.01 or $0.02 per MB.

Best of all, the encoding is almost always selectable -- you can choose MP3 (including the LAME alt-preset settings), WMA, OGG, MP4, and a couple of others I've forgotten. You can even get the tracks lossless if you want.

I can't remember getting this excited about an Internet site since the first time I streamed European radio via RealPlayer in 1997. Understand: I've been an AVLA-licensed DJ for 13 years. I rarely spend my own money on music; I get it all from the record companies (whose licensing terms, for DJs at least, are a lot better in Canada than they are in the States -- we can burn multiple copies for performance, are licensed to play directly from MP3, etc.), in exchange for a nominal fee. But last night I spent about US$17 and downloaded about 220 songs. About half of that was replacing CDs I've previously owned but that are now damaged or lost. Another 20% was probably old favorites from the 80s that I remember fondly but am not willing to spend a lot of money on (Sly Fox or Paul Hardcastle for example).

Don't want to give your credit card to the Russians? Fine -- they take PayPal. I paid $10 for 1GB of download, and when it was obvious I was going to blow past that amount, I added another $10. Simple and painless.

iTUnes and all the comparable services (PureTracks, etc.) use DRM-encumbered formats. These are unencumbered MP3s that work great on my 15GB Archos Jukebox Recorder.

In short, allofmp3 is pretty much exactly what I've been wanting in a download service. They claim it's legal in Russia (see the site and some discussion forums), and it's legal for me to download here in Canada (heck, my wife will be burning half the music to CDs that we've paid the CRIA licensing fees for -- most of our CDs are used for backups and/or digital photos), so for as long as they're around they've got my business.

What's an AVLA license? (3, Funny)

swb (14022) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357381)

Does that mean you're trained not to play "Wild Thing" or "Mony Mony" more than once per wedding?

Great if you hate musicians. (4, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357436)

If you like stiffing artists that's your business. I'll stick with a system where at least a little money get's back to the artists I like.

Apart from the ability to select music quality, I don't really see where allofmp3.com is any different than downloading a song from P2P.

As for iTunes "Encumberment" - perhaps you missed out on Hymn [hymn-project.org] ?

International Music (4, Insightful)

philoticjane (771475) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357291)

What I want to know is if they're going to be making all the music in all regions available to all the other regions that have itms available. I would KILL to be able to buy some J-Pop and local rock and folk music from parts of Europe in AAC (yes, I know, .ogg r0x0rz your s0ckz0rz, but AAC is readily available and still high quality). It would be so easy to access tons of new material (especially stuff that you just can't find in Texas, or most other states for that matter), which is one of the secondary purposes of itms (the first, of course, I won't argue is making money).

You know you're commenting on Slashdot when... you have to make several provisos to be sure you're understood.

"One last thing...." (0)

sjonke (457707) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357312)

Jobs exposes his breast on stage?

Forget iTunes... (-1, Redundant)

Andorion (526481) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357322)

Try http://www.allofmp3.com [allofmp3.com] , a Russian site charging $0.01 per megabyte downloaded, with various encoding options (an album is about 100 megs, so that's $1.00!!) Best site ever. And, apparently, legal (search for reviews on it.)

~Berj

Question of the day : food or music ? (1, Insightful)

nomad63 (686331) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357353)

This is the most incredibly capitalist idea that I have ever heard from a reputable manufacturer of computers so far.

Knowing the average wealth of the Chinese population, what in the earth was Apple thinking or what were they smoking up in the Valley when they come up with this brilliant idea I am wondering.

While most people in Chine is on the border of (or may be right in the middle of) poverty in US standarts, what do they expect from this deal. Sell these people digital songs $1-a-pop ?

Hmmm.. I am wondering if I should eat today or shell out my food allowance to download the latest Eminem track ? Hmmmnn... Hard choice, but I'll go with the food.

Re:Question of the day : food or music ? (5, Insightful)

FatPaulie (197122) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357549)

Your numbers are a bit off.

This report [cnn.com] suggests that 80 million of China's 1.5 billion citizens live below the poverty line. I've read reports that the Chinese Middle Class extends to numbers equalling the population of the United States.

On a recent trip to China, I observed a LOT of technology-obsessed youth - the exact target market for new computers and iPods. And in a country where you don't usually have the expense of a car, flashy goods like the iPod go a long way to showing off your social standing.

Understand that your vision of poverty-stricken China holds true for a large expanse of rural China, the urban population in cities like Beijing, Shanghai, and Hong Kong live a lot like the rest of us (albeit in slightly more cramped spaces).

In a society like that, where large purchases (houses and cars) are unusual, they're left with things like Rolexes and iPods to show off their wealth.

Re:Question of the day : food or music ? (1)

MalleusEBHC (597600) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357570)

Knowing the average wealth of the Chinese population, what in the earth was Apple thinking or what were they smoking up in the Valley when they come up with this brilliant idea I am wondering.

They were probably thinking that in a country with over 1 billion people, there would still be enough people with enough money to justify this. I know nothing about the distribution of wealth in China, but let's say that 10% of their population is at a level of wealth comparable to your average American. That's over 100 million people, a damn good sized market by any means.

Additionally, I have to imagine the cost of Apple rolling out the music store in China (or Europe or Canada for that matter) is rather insignificant compared to the initial US rollout. On the tech side, the fixed cost it is nothing more than adding new servers. All the heavy lifting for development has been done already for the original iTMS. After that, Apple really only has to pay for bandwidth, and I think it is safe to assume that as iTMS China uses more bandwidth, there will be more sales.

Re:Question of the day : food or music ? (1)

danigiri (310827) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357574)

"what do they expect from this deal[?]"

Probably they will be able to claim that their QT installed base has suddenly jumped several dozen million computers...

dani++

New iPod (2, Interesting)

Mr_Silver (213637) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357466)

Whilst this is good news, it would be nice if in addition to the iTunes store, Apple also sped up their time to market for new iPods in the UK.

We still have no sight of the iPod Mini and when Jobs announces a new iPod (which the rumour sites seem to think will happen - anyone got any further information?) then it'll be another six months before we can get our grubby mits on them.

Personally, I'm going to see what the new iPod will be like before deciding whether or not to wait ...

I am of course assuming they are going to announce one that is, however the last update was October 16th 2003, which was a fair while back now - especially in light of all the other entrants to the HD MP3 player market who are all vying for top spot.

how much in China? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9357506)

99c? that's a bit more money for those folks...
just wondering.

iTunes in China (1, Funny)

The Lynxpro (657990) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357547)


I can already predict one album that will never be sold via the Chinese version of iTunes*:

"Chinese Democracy," by GNR (or The Offspring).

Granted, it'll have to be released first, and the way its going, it'll also be the official soundtrack to Duke Nukem Forever.

*Yes, yes, I realize that the annoucement is not for the iTunes Music Store to be released in China but just the software so please do not flame me over it.

It's _been_ available in Europe....sort of. (4, Informative)

wedding (618458) | more than 10 years ago | (#9357577)

As a test, I sent a giftcard from my account to a friend in Manchester. Worked like a charm, and he never had to use a CC (which is part of the trigger process to kill Euro users.)

ITMS has been available in Europe for a while, you just had to pay from the US.
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