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What Keeps You Off of Windows?

Cliff posted more than 9 years ago | from the broken-panes dept.

Windows 2071

J. J. Ramsey asks: "schnell has already asked the question What's Keeping You On Windows? It seems only fair to ask the opposite question. For those of you who have elected to not use Windows, what keeps you away from it? Concerns about stability? Security? Dislike of Microsoft's business practices? Or are you simply a fan of your chosen platform and just don't care about Windows one way or the other?" Might recent events sway your decision to keep Microsoft's premier software offering off of your computer?

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I live without Windows (5, Insightful)

Quebec (35169) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369802)

What keeps me off Windows is mainly because I don't want to be
locked-up in some savage immoral decommoditizing scheme.

The practice of scrambling and obfuscating the standards to insure
the failure of the competition is so much a threat to my eyes that
losing some compatibility and some discutable features for not dealing
with this is more then acceptable.

Death to close source, death to DRMs, long live the Open Source.

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9369804)

fp?

I'm cheap... (5, Interesting)

ajiva (156759) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369806)

Personally I use Linux because its free, the software is free and it runs resonable on my Dual Celeron 500 vs Win2k which runs slower. That's why I do it

Re:I'm cheap... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9369942)

no offense sir, but i dont think linux runs FAST on your dual CELERON 500. i think the term that might most accuratly describe the speed is "LESS SLOW"

Consistency (4, Funny)

swordboy (472941) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369808)

I always stop my "Linux conversion" when I get to the point where I have to choose Gnome or KDE (or both).

Re:Consistency (2, Insightful)

abh (22332) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369925)

Apparently reading the articles is too much to ask, but could you read the post at least?

He's not asking about switching to Linux... he's asking about why Linux users don't switch to Windows!

Re:Consistency (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9369932)

When forced to choose between KDE and GNOME, the decision is obvious: XFCE [xfce.org].

I stay off of windows because it sucks! (2, Insightful)

titaniam (635291) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369810)

A couple of months ago I finally made the switch off of windows xp and onto Fedora Linux on my home machine. For years now, I have been using my home computer as a thin-client, doing most of my work via VNC and SSH on a remote server connected to a T1. That way, wherever I am my real desktop is available and stable and right how I left it with dozens of my windows open for various applications for months at a time. So I was already using Linux for most things. I would use windows on my home machine only for web surfing (firefox), gaming, digital camera hookup and its ability to suspend. Then I made the mistake of connecting to windows update... Suddenly all my programs started crashing, the windows on the desktop would pick a stacking order and not be convinced to alter it, and the new and improved active-X made all of my favorite games (diablo) unusable. So I said screw it, and made linux my default boot. I no longer game, and only need to reboot to windows when I have to upload pictures from my digital camera. And when I do boot to windows once a month, I make sure I am offline. My next laptop will have linux pre-installed so I guess USB support will be there and my need for windows will be gone. Oh yeah, I occasionally boot windows to see how crappy my various websites render under IE. So final answer: I keep off windows because it sucks. Also I do not want to support an abusive monopoly.

The fact that it is so difficult to administer. (5, Informative)

YankeeInExile (577704) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369812)

Curiously, in the last year I have actually started using Windows for the first time.

It has been the most difficult platform I have ever had to administer. Setting up even trivial network configurations is near impossible, with seemingly endless screens to move through, and very poor documentation.

Tasks that are trivial under Unix, have thus far eluded me. I still don't know how to set up DNS under Win2K.

Doesn't that sound like precisely the Why $FREE_UNIX_SYSTEM Can Never Succeed on the Desktop Argument? I am sure that Windows is no harder to administer than Unix. But I have fifteen years of Unix adminning experience, and zero Windows experience. To people who grew up on PC-DOS and Wintel, it is as intuitive for them as dd is to me.

So, for everything that matters to me (writing, email, network infrastructure) I use the Sun. For everything that is trivial and fun (websurfing, chat) I use the Winblows box.

Re:The fact that it is so difficult to administer. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9369913)

Well there you go, you said it yourself. You're simply too incompetent to use Windows effectively. Invest a little time -- you'll realise that the rewards are much greater.

Re:The fact that it is so difficult to administer. (1)

iceperson (582205) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369948)

I do exactly the opposite. My linux box is my toy. I use it to surf and check my webmail while my XP box is being productive (someone's gotta serve all that spam.) That's not a shot a linux. I'd actually love to learn how to do more things with it but the few people I know who have any linux knowledge have the social skills of month old meatloaf.

The Cost (4, Insightful)

blackhelicopter (193266) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369817)

It costs too much in buying it, maintaining it, getting new anti-virus software, fighting with it... I just don't have the money and more importantly time...

Sasser (5, Funny)

awhelan (781773) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369818)

Sasser keeps me off windows... then I go back on and it restarts my computer within 10 minutes!

First Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9369820)

Dang, it would figure I'd not be logged in!!

Re:First Post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9369901)

friggin 1d10t!

More propoganda from a linux company (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9369821)

Does anyone else see the irony in a linux company owning the website that this is posted on?

Re:More propoganda from a linux company (3, Insightful)

mrwonton (456172) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369872)

The irony in them asking their readers why they use Linux and not Windows? I don't think thats irony, but thanks Alanis.

Quick (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9369825)

Someone mod this article flamebait!

Easy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9369826)

A Mac.

Boo Hoo Haa (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9369829)

I can't keep off windows. I am a construction worker, you IC.

The price is the sticking point (5, Insightful)

Wellmont (737226) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369830)

The price, almost absolutely the price....it is just to expensive to keep up with windows releases for a college student. Microsoft is really doing a disservice by selling software for hundreds of dollars and sometimes even thousands.

Re:The price is the sticking point (1)

HybridJeff (717521) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369877)

check out your schools computer department. if they're a member of the MSAA (microsoft academic alliance) you should be able to download a copy legally for free.

Mostly.... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9369831)

...the smell

Once you go Free, you'll never go back (4, Informative)

JohnGrahamCumming (684871) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369833)

Last October I made the switch from Windows to Linux (SuSE 9.0) and
haven't looked back. I was a long time Windows user and programmer
(going all the way back to 3.0---just remember how great it was when
3.11 came out!), but I'd grown tired of the bulk and cost of Windows.
When Microsoft finally stabilized Windows with XP it was too little,
too late.

What keeps me going back to Windows is simply that I don't need to.
Here I sit with

0. A Unix command-shell that let's me do real work
1. A perfectly nice GUI (I'm using GNOME)
2. A stable web browser and email program (Firefox and Thunderbird)
3. A good personal finance application (gnucash)
4. Instant messaging (GAIM)
5. Outlook compatibility (Evolution)
6. A stable operating system that doesn't hide things from me
7. Speed, such speed, compared to XP.
8. No viruses, worms, and other crap targetting Windows
9. Graphics editing (The GIMP)
10. Multimedia (mplayer, XINE, etc.)
11. Complete office suite (OpenOffice.org)
12. Built in firewall (iptables)
13. A really cool spam filter/email sorter [sf.net] :-)

Why would I go back?

0. Windows costs $$$ to buy and they've got this evil registration scheme
1. It seems like every week some worm or other would be able to take out my machine
2. No freakin' idea what all these services and things are doing
3. A web browser and other components integrated into the system like some sort of cancer.

and bottom line

5. Microsoft's software just isn't cool. It's like some pale imitation of cool software with just the minimum set of features to make the average Joe go "cool" while drooling into his beer.

John.

Nothing (0, Offtopic)

Didel (177906) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369834)

I'm using it now, because it does what I need it too, I can't always say that for Linux unfortunately.

What Keeps Me Off of Windows? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9369835)

Simple! Greased walls.

Why I stay on Windows (-1, Offtopic)

MMaestro (585010) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369837)

So I can play my computer games without having to learn an entire new OS. And if Windows pissed me off enough, I'd go play my Gamecube.

To fragile (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9369839)

They break as soon as I get on them.... =(

Repeatability, Predictability and Orthogonality (5, Interesting)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369840)


What makes me stick with Linux is the fact that when something does go wrong, there's a finite and small number of things that can generally cause the problem. I can quickly and easily narrow down what the problem is without having to understand the significance of lots of unrelated things. The 'everything is a file' mantra has some far-ranging consequences, at least IMHO, and it's the exceptions that cause most of the problems!

It helps that it's very stable, it helps that most of the config files are in ASCII, and almost always commented. It helps that there's a tremendous resource (man) available about just about every command, and of course it helps that it can be learnt piecemeal to a large extent. The K&R book starts off saying that they don't think 'C' is easily taught using a big book, that the smaller concept-driven approach works better. I think the same thing applies to unix. I don't think the same thing applies to the Win32 API. Perhaps with .NET, I don't know...

To a certain extent this preference comes from learning unix (linux) before Windows - I know more about Unix than Windows, and I like what I learnt. Unix is a programmers OS, written for them, by them. I'm at heart a programmer ergo I like Unix :-)

The old adage, "Don't fix what isn't broken" comes to mind as well - Unix has served me well in various incarnations, most recently Linux. It's not broken yet...

Simon

As a developer... (3, Insightful)

Pivot (4465) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369842)

I find myself much more productive in a Linux / Unix environment. Linux is just much more user friendly for me.

Why Don't I Use Windows? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9369845)

Windows doesn't work well.

My default Linux install is just more USEFUL (5, Interesting)

Dimensio (311070) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369846)

The only thing that I get with Windows XP that is of any use to me is greater compatability with games.

I find Linux to be much more useful in that I have a lot of free tools at my disposal just from the stuff included in the default install (Debian testing user here). KDE has a built-in free newsreader, there are a lot more useful command-line utilities (Windows has no builtin WHOIS lookup utility) and overall I prefer the aesthetics of the interface (both the GUI, which is far more customizable than in Windows, and the command line).

Most of it is a matter of personal preference, but the free and fast availability of easier-to-use utilities (apt-get install vs looking for a website that has a Windows utility that matches what I want) gives Linux a greater edge.

presently migrating (1)

flechette_indigo (738323) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369848)

Windows attracts virii like a rotting horse and it has 20 other problems too. Last time I messed with linux it was a navigating and configing nightmare but I'm going back because windows sucks so much.

I thought this sounded (1)

squarefish (561836) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369849)

familiar [slashdot.org]

it's still #8 in the hall of fame [slashdot.org]

Re:I thought this sounded (1)

Dreadlord (671979) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369928)

RTFP (Post) !

First few lines:

schnell has already asked the question What's Keeping You On Windows? It seems only fair to ask the opposite question. For those of you who have elected to not use Windows, what keeps you away from it?

Re:I thought this sounded (1)

hugesmile (587771) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369956)

Read carefully! (I know, I should never expect a slashdot user to actually READ).
The question is OPPOSITE (what's keeping you ON vs. OFF Windows).

I ain't got the bread, see! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9369850)

Licensing fees, baby...Licensing fees.

I like options. (1)

Superfly_rh (639969) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369854)

Windows gives me almost no options

Gentoo Linux lets me customize anything I have the time to customize.

Re:I like options. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9369888)

What can't you customise with a little work and the odd 3rd party app? I'm not bitching, just curious...

Well... (3, Insightful)

xcham (200708) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369857)

Shoddy business practices, nerve-wracking battles with the Control Panel (I'd much rather deal with /etc thank you) and a long history of instability crises. That and UNIXish environments are much more conducive to development work, I find.

I do know that WinXP is much less crash prone than stuff I was using years ago, before I made the switch, but I just use what works. GNU/Linux is a pretty good power user's desktop platform. And of course, the price is right.

The only reason I have a WinXP partition is GAMES (2, Insightful)

Assmasher (456699) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369858)

GAMES GAMES baby. I'm 32 but I still love to play the games. Yes, I have some games on my MDK9.2 partitions, but they mostly suck (sadly.)

If games came out on Linux at even roughly the same rate as WinXP boxes, I'd NEVER LOOK BACK (except at work where I have to [currently] use XP.)

Software Choices (0, Offtopic)

shizke (765004) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369859)

The reason I'm still on Windows is because of my profession. I work in architecture, and neither Apple or Linux have efficient solutions for digital drafting. The second Autodesk ports AutoCAD to OS X, I'll gladly make the jump.

Moving Away From Windows (3, Interesting)

filesiteguy (695431) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369861)

I've been very disappointed in the direction Windows is going. I'm a long-time NT user and have been a Lan Manager expert since '93. I still use NT 5.1 at work (unfortunately) and am now ready to jump to Mandrake 10 at home (where I currently have NT 5.0). I think MS has gotten themselves into a bind where they are moving too slow and in too many directions (xbox, NT, Office,...) and are doomed to recreate the IBM downsize issue when they lost focus in the '80s / '90's.

Native 64 bit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9369863)

And some great open source applications, like ardour... http://ardour.sf.net/

Compatibility (1)

rinks (641298) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369864)

I've tried to run 4 different distros on my Gateway laptop. Not one has been able to identify my display and run the system in a decent resolution. So, I stay on windows because it runs on my computer. I tried to make a switch, and it was just too frustrating.

Uhh... (1)

avalys (221114) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369866)

Might recent events sway your decision to keep Microsoft's premier software offering off of your computer?

Uh, Michael, I think you've misunderstood your question...

And the Answer Is.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9369868)

Snobbery

Nothing really. Especially fonts. (2, Insightful)

Stupid Dog (133756) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369869)

What I really like in Windows is the font system. It's simple. Drop a font into the fonts folder in control panel, and it will just work. And it looks good. Unix fonts are a pain in the eyes, and blurring them to death with font aliasing does not please my eyes either. In fact, bad looking fonts are the killer argument that _prevents_ me from running a Unix as my main OS.

Well.. (2, Interesting)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369870)

Personally, if I was looking for a sys-admn I wouldn't hire someone who wasn't familiar with Windows and Linux, at least. But then again, I'm not.

In order for you to switch to something it has to be cool or compelling in some way. And for most individuals, I don't think windows is. Maybe a couple years ago it might have seemed "cool" to switch from old UNIX stuff to windows, but I don't think many people perceive it that way anymore. And for home users, windows is probably what they've always used.

And Mac users probably wont switch to windows because they hate it.

Heh. Actually this post is story is kind of funny, I mean. It's just a chance to bash the hell out of Microsoft without being off topic.

No specific reason against, just no reason for (1)

Have Blue (616) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369875)

I already have 2 Macs and an Xbox, and a Windows PC doesn't offer a large enough advantage over that combination.

Ethernet? (2)

pdbogen (596723) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369880)

Originally, I installed RedHat 5.0 on my old 486 because I needed to plug it into a cable modem, and Windows 3 just didn't cut the mustard. Ironic, because it probably would have handled it (in hindsight), but to my uneducated eyes, it seemed that it'd be easier to do under Linux (and, admittedly, it probably was easier, since my only goal was connectivity, and I didn't really do anything requiring a GUI in those days.

Very rare (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9369881)

Since Windows 2000, Windows has been the best desktop operating system available.

So it is very rare that I am off Windows, in fact my only use of an alternative platform is my firewall, which runs OpenBSD, mainly because it's so straightforward to set up IPSEC tunnels to work.

Prior to Windows 2000 I used Linux extensively, mainly because it was very stable indeed, and rather exciting. Now it's just not worth it, Windows does everything Linux can do and more.

MOD PARENT UP! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9369954)

I'd wager a significant chunk of /.'ers are in this same boat, and won't admit it. I know I am.
My name is Mark, and I'm a Windows User.

doesn't run on my computer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9369883)

Because my G5 can't run Windows at all, DUH!

Legal Software (4, Interesting)

kinzillah (662884) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369884)

I was tired of pirating software I couldn't afford. Open source software is largely gratis.

Does It Matter? (1)

stinkyfingers (588428) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369885)

When I sit down at the computer lab running Solaris, typing http://slashdot.org into the Netscape browser will invariably show me a huge ferking Microsoft banner ad. Isn't this whole story item, anyway?

How about what keeps me on Windows? (2, Interesting)

Slashdotess (605550) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369891)

1. compatibility 2. low maintainence 3. easy to setup 4. games 5. quality programs from commercial companies

What keeps me off Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9369892)

Linux fanboys.

Hardware compatibility. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9369893)

I had a fairly common video card (the exact model escapes me, but it was built in to older intel boards) and I could NOT get x86 to start no matter what.

A thousand people are going to reply to me and say "You're insane, you can get that to work if you edit the lwirmvc.rc.conf file in /etc/bin/tla/fla/jizm/ to read hexflow.945=`iii8`" but guess what- windows 2000 works perfectly with it right out of the box. I don't much about linux and I really don't need to because I can do everything I want to with Windows. I know a fair amount about the command line, I can SSH into my university account to do stuff; but that's all I have ever needed to do with it.

Well of one.... (2, Insightful)

FerretFrottage (714136) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369894)

my fear of heights and for two my lack of suction cup tipped fingers.

And seriously for 3, it's the stupid license model. I buy an OS for family/non-commerical use and I can only install it on one machine. No thanks, even Apple allows for a family license; sure they still charge you, but at least they give you some break. Maybe MS has changed their stance on this, but I doubt it.

And for 4, I do a serious HW upgrade about every 12-18 months and I'm expected to re-activate. I've heard the MS has made it possible to do this with out a lot of effort, but the fact that any is required or expected of me at all really turns me off from their product(s)

Descartes answered it best (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9369896)

I think. Therefore, I am (off of Windows).

Back in the day... (1)

moertle (140345) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369897)

Back in the days of Windows 3.1 when I was 14-years old I didn't have the resources to by a lot of software. For me I switched over to Linux because out of the box I had a web, ftp, and telnet server and a half-decent compiler in GCC. I also liked that if I wanted to know how a certain program did something I just had to track down the location in source that did it. Now over the years as I have gotten a job and money in my pocket, and XP Professional comes with similar features I would say that I split my machines 50/50 over what runs Windows and what runs Linux based on what I want to do with them. But initially it was the lack of advance software that kept me away from Windows.

Never really started. (1)

Hawthorne01 (575586) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369900)

Worked as a photog in a previous life, and Macs are are to that profession like Excel is to accountants.

Never really worked in MS Office, either, until recently, and have only now started to use Windows to do anything (mainly test websites) at all.

Usability among many other reasons (3, Insightful)

drgonzo59 (747139) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369903)

Among the obvious reasons such as security and stability I also like the usability aspect of linux. I know, I know, Bash me all you want. For me, Linux is more user friendly than Windows. I like the command line, the config files in plain text that I can edit, and the choice of window managers (I use BlackBox, I like its simplicity). As someone said, "the only intuitive interface is the nipple, everything else is learned" most people consider Windows user friendly because they were trained to use only windows.

All of the above (1)

ozone (91697) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369904)

But most of all because (IMHO) it's not as easy to use as either linux or OSX. I love Linux because I get all the control I want at 0% of the cost. I love OSX because it does everything windows is supposed to do but more intuitively, in my experience faster and with gratuitous use of transparency. I love the two together because they play nicely. Personally I don't see a niche for Windows in my future.

No reason to move (4, Interesting)

microcars (708223) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369907)

There is no practical reason for me to move TO Windows.

I am not losing income because I am not using Windows

There is no software that I need (yet) that is Windows-only

I'll leave the posts about viruses, worms and trojans for others to comment on.

Control (5, Insightful)

Khazunga (176423) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369911)

Thinking about it, the word Control sums it up. I keep on Linux, because I know what the system is doing, why it is doing it, and I can fix it if my setup doesn't behave. Every one of my windows boxes degrades over time, and I have no idea why. Before I switched, I'd love the feel of a freshly installed windows box: snappy, clean, everything in place. Now, my linux install keeps on and on feeling like the day I installed it: fast, predictable, secure.

So, I keep on Linux, because I like retaining control over my computer.

What keeps me off (1, Offtopic)

October_30th (531777) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369912)

Microsoft Office.

1) I have a load of documents in MS Office format. If I need them in the future, I must be able to import them properly. And before anyone says anything about incompatibility between MS Office versions: I have used the last three Office versions. I have had absolutely no problems with my legacy documents or with any documents I've received from other people.

2) Exporting to MS Office. My collaborators and clients require documents in Word, Excel and Powerpoint. You're just naive if you think I have the option of telling them that that's a no go. And no. Free alternatives do not export documents properly.

The last time I tested Open Office (1.1.0) I wrote a two page document. One page of text, the second page with two bitmap figures. When exported to MS Office format, there was only one page in the document: the figures were laid on top of the text. Unbelievable.

home/work (2, Informative)

phrostie (121428) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369916)

the other day at home my wife discovered she had 9 different viri/worms on her windows computer.

I had Zero on my Linux box.

last year we were running AIX at work. reboots were once every 6 months.
now we have windows. we reboot 6 times a day.

i'll stick with what works. it's not windows.

Bugs (2, Insightful)

vadim_t (324782) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369919)

The biggest problem with Windows is that once it breaks it's really hard to fix. A few times Win2K was left unbootable, and it took me a week to figure out how to get it to install.

Linux, while it may be less intuitive is at least trivial to troubleshoot once you understand how it works. Windows though... it just freezed during the logo screen with the progress bar. You can't really get any less informative than that.

Besides that, stability. Not having to worry about the exploit of the day, spyware, and what every program will do with my registry is also very nice.

POST counting memory... following blue-screen (2, Funny)

DarthStrydre (685032) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369920)

Used to be blue screens and reboots kept me off Windows and watching the POST count up memory - so the BIOS has kept me off windows. Windows (XP) has proved more stable - but it regularly dumps core as well, if not as often.

Thankfully modern POST routines skip many power-up tests - so most of the time it is GRUB keeping me off of Windows :-)

Oh... and the other alternatives that GRUB permits...

It never occured to me to use windows... (5, Interesting)

DrRobert (179090) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369923)

It never even occurred to me to get windows. I have never needed anything that only windows offers. My linux box did everything I needed and now the mac does. There is simply no reason to use windows especially considering the cost, licensing issues, and all the invasive and obnoxious phoning home that MS products do.

I had to use windows when trying to continue the work of another student in graduate school and that little escapade probably added a year to my Ph.D. I could run the same code on the mac, ibm workstations, the linux boxes, but I would have to stop and rewrite everything for windows... stupid.

My answer. (2, Informative)

Takeel (155086) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369926)

For those of you who have elected to not use Windows, what keeps you away from it? Concerns about stability? Security? Dislike of Microsoft's business practices? Or are you simply a fan of your chosen platform and just don't care about Windows one way or the other?

Yes.

Economics mixed with Ethics (1)

JoshuaDFranklin (147726) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369927)

Basically, I didn't want to pay for an OS to the computer that I built recently.

But I also didn't feel right about using a pirated copy of Windows.

So I'm happily using Fedora Core.

(Of course, I've already got a laptop with Windows XP too, so the "but what if nothing works" argument is lost on me.)

Well... (2, Funny)

rbgaynor (537968) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369929)

Samba and Wine keep me off Windows, I just can't find reliable alternatives on the Windows platform

If it comes right down to it it's: (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369935)

Control and transparency. Those are the biggies.

That and simply not being involved in the whole commercial hype and the Monkey Dancing that goes with it, but I suppose that's just corallary.

The fact that it's simply a better system overall doesn't hurt either.

KFG

Microsoft Software as a Whole (4, Insightful)

artlu (265391) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369936)

I am a hardcore Mac user back from the old days, but I gave up on Apple for a few years. OS Lineage for me: Mac->Win3.1->Win98->Debian->Debian->XP->OSX. However, my mac is not perfect and some mundane CPU intensive tasks such as Stock Streamers, just run better on XP. Recently, I got the sasser virus on my XP laptop before I knew what it was, and then, I did a clean install. Because of work (Oracle Programming and Stock Stuff), I am still forced to use windows, but at home, my windows laptop is never even touched.

On the other hand, if you look at Microsoft Software as a whole, there are some great applications. I absolutely love the new office for OSX, and microsoft Project for windows has virtually no competition - even from Oracle. Truly, XP has come a long way from the 98SE crash fest, but the fact that Microsoft leaves the systems wide open is never good.

Im not an M$ fan, but you have to admit, that if they get their act together, we could be in for some trouble. Even from my OSX world.

On a side note, I want to plug a new site that I just made live. If you are interested in Day trading or the stock market check it out: Group Shares.com [groupshares.com].

Thanks,
Aj

My reason: Customization Options (4, Insightful)

Gortbusters.org (637314) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369937)

Ok, the reason I use Linux primarily [at home] is just the options it provides (for free).

- Evolution for getting all of my personal mail and OO-ximian for all of my office needs (very simple at home).
- Gentoo to compile and make my old hardware still useful
- Less chance for viri/worms and it's easier to see what's going on, or what was installed. Same goes for adware and spyware.
- Theme options are much better, much more choices and all for free. All windows themes require clunky third party packages that are slow, and some of them cost money (i.e. the ones you would really want to use).

For a development environment, I don't see a big difference other then that Linux is our production system and developing on Windows just means more testing. There are some nice development tools, but work won't even pay for them so that's not a reason to use linux over windows (or vise versa).

At work, I do use Windows -- because everyone else does, and every time I try to switch (OO, ximian connector, etc).... there are always little wrinkles that I don't have time to deal with. At home, I have more flexibility.

Oh yes, I also now use Xbox for all my gaming so I don't care if linux game support isn't that great.

Linux. (1)

13Echo (209846) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369938)

I just find it to be more enjoyable because there are no surprises. Slackware works well for me. There are no virus problems, practically no crashes or freezes, no spyware...

It does what I need it to do; music sounds great, the (limited) games are good for killing time, Openoffice meets all of my needs for word processing, and pr0n plays fine through XINE and MPlayer.

Plus, it gives me an excuse to tell people that "I've not used Windows at home for two years. I can't help you with your exlpoit/virus/adware/crash problem".

Bang for the Buck! (3, Insightful)

Interested Guy (18007) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369939)

My OS desisions are based soley on bang for the buck. I keep a windows box around because I can devop simple data apps in Microsoft access faster than I can with anything on Linux.

I use linux mostly. Because I can't beat the bang for the buck on most every other application. I love using Quanta plus.

All of the other bonuses are nice. I like the freedom to look and figure out how something works. (or doesn't work)

I like the added security of evading the Worms and Viruses that plague Windows. Most of the plagues are avoided with a small amount of expense and a fair amount of common sense, so those are not a determining factor.

$0.00 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9369941)

I will never pay for software again.

I have never pirated software.

For the public Good. (4, Insightful)

h4rm0ny (722443) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369944)


I stay off Windows where possible, because it is better for society to have a strong competitor to Microsoft. Without the choice of other OS's Windows would be a poorer and more expensive product.

Furthermore, OSS ensures greater trust is possible. We can verify the source code. With Microsoft, we cannot do this and without a strong competitor they would have less incentive to keep things clean.

I use Linux, in short, because it prevents too much power accumulating with one small group.

Also, it's free and more versatile.

Very simple... (1)

pla (258480) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369945)

Ease of use and availability of software.

I use Linux for all my "important" machines - Masq'ing gateway/firewall, file server, even personal code development.

But for day-to-day use? Win2k (I would not say the same about any other version) simply works easier. Download something, install it, and it works. Under Linux, I find binary packages often have (non-obvious) dependancies I need to track down. Source packages require configuring, building, and installing, and often it takes a few tries to get it to a functional state (and I say that as someone who has, in a formal employment capacity, produced custom embedded distros from scratch).

Also, relating to the "download something" point - Most of the "productivity" type programs, particularly dev tools, I can get better versions for Linux. For entertainment, though (and really, if we didn't consider PCs as basically for entertainment, we'd all still have P2/300's), you just don't have an even remotely comparable number of games and such for Linux.


Overall, I would consider Linux "ready for the desktop" in the workplace. At home, Windows will hold its own for a good number of years to come.

What Keeps Me Off Windows? (1)

repetty (260322) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369949)

What keeps me off Windows? Well, I use a Mac running OS X for my desktop use.

I run Linux for my server OS.

I think that probably says it all.

--Richard

my reasons (1)

XO (250276) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369950)

Basically, all I need is a web browser that functions, an email client, instant messengers, and chat programs. That's all I really do with my computer. (and some music playing)

One reason to stay on Linux, is that I can't seem to get Windows to support my computer's SCSI controller.

One reason to get rid of Linux, would be because it's virtually freaking impossible to get all of this working in Mozilla AND Opera for Linux, all at once: Java, Multimedia Plugins, Flash/Shockwave. And then KEEP it all working, as you upgrade versions of Mozilla/Opera.

On my roommate's Windows computer, I can stay up-to-date on web browsers, without having to re-install all my plugins, or risk breaking them badly. Mozilla/Opera do not lock up regularly under the Windows platform. (IE, however, is a supreme piece of garbage)

I could play games if I were using Windows. I might care about that if I had hardware that was actually capable of PLAYING the latest games.. but the fastest puter in the house is a 1.1GHz and doesn't have 3Dhardware worth talking about. My machine is a 600MHz P3 with a Radeon 7000 PCI. Not exactly a power house. It plays Quake 3 ok, but that's about the extent of it's power. (Return to CW didn't run at all on it, and barely ran on the 1.1GHz machine)

Of course, my router computer uses Linux. And before it used Linux, it used OS/2. And it did the exact same things that it did with OS/2 that it does with Linux.. except on Linux, it can be booted from floppy, and run without the hard drive (without the additional services i have it running, such as email/web/database). No compelling reason to keep it with Linux, except that there's no compelling reason to go back to OS/2, and Windows just plain wouldn't cut it.

Pain in the ass to tell users... (2, Insightful)

flatface (611167) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369951)

Ok, I -do- use Linux, but when I first switched, I tried telling everyone who came to me with their Windows problems to switch to Linux. This was a few years ago. I tried this for a while, I even converted a few people. But in the end, for all the work it took me to tell people how to use the command line, use Google, and basically figure shit out for themselves, telling them how to fix what they did to Windows was much easier. There are way too many ignorant people out there who just can't handle the learning curve as well as most Linux users. Yes, my neighbours might have me come over once every two months to wipe their computers clean of viruses/worms/spyware and run Windows Update, but it saves me the hassle of telling them what to do each time. And I can't just write them a list either-- They have to have it told them to do in layman's terms.

So what keeps (most) users on Windows? The inability to handle the learning curve needed to use Linux. Don't get me wrong-- I love Linux to death, but it does have its own set of problems. Yes, I can fix most of them on my computer. No, I can't expect my grandmother to fix them by herself.

Windows subject to breakage (2, Insightful)

jdray (645332) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369952)

I run Linux to avoid viruses, keep from having to reboot all the time, have some control over my computer without having to figure out what to click on, and have a choice on my interface. Actually, the last thing is what really keeps me; I like being able to choose KDE over GNOME, or just using the shell. And, for that matter, once I've chosen a GUI, I like to be able to configure it the way I want to. Heck, if I want it to look like a Mac, I can have that, too, or some hybrid.

The biggest thing, though, is the openness. I don't read C code well enough to be able to delve into the bowells of the kernel or the GUI, or even modestly complex applications and have a chance of knowing what's going on. But there are people who can, and I know where to look to find out what they think. There's a certain safety that I feel when I run Linux that I don't feel when I run Windows. It's public safety, and it's maintained by the neighborhood watch.

Is this a Trick Question??? (1)

mrmdls (684047) | more than 9 years ago | (#9369955)

Let me count the way's that keep me off windoze. Can someone say unethical business practices. More security breeches than swiss cheese. Licensing Agreements, that are way too high! And don't forget the constant need to upgrade to be running the latest software. Thank's I'll stay with Linux
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