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Mozilla 1.7, Firefox 0.9 Release Candidates Out

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the happy-browsing dept.

Mozilla 642

An anonymous reader writes "mozilla.org have released what are expected to be the final release candidates for their next versions: Mozilla 1.7RC3 (MozillaZine article; download) should iron out any final bugs in what will replace 1.4 as the new stable branch and Firefox 0.9RC (MozillaZine article; download) features the new default theme ported from Mac OS on Windows (though please bear in mind that the theme is nowhere near finished yet). The final releases of these versions are due very soon."

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A Firefox mirror... (5, Informative)

tcopeland (32225) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379423)

...is here [cougaar.org] .

FWIW, CVS 1.11.17 - the security release that happened this morning - is up there too.

Re:A Firefox mirror... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9379512)

Does firefox finally have the ability to stop animated gifs?

This has been holding me back on Mozilla 1.6

Re:A Firefox mirror... (2, Informative)

tcopeland (32225) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379533)

Note that I had to change the filenames slightly to get GForge [gforge.org] to accept them... it didn't fancy the "+". Just in case anyone notices...

Frist post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9379431)

Yeah!

Very clean! (5, Informative)

erick99 (743982) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379435)

I downloaded and installed Firefox .9 and I am quite impressed. All of my settings, bookmarks, popup exceptions, etc. ported over perfectly and automatically. The "look and feel" of .9 is very clean. I don't know how these folks manage to make each iteration better than the previous but they sure do. It loads fast as did .8 and it loads web pages quite fast. All-in-all, this is well worth the download. And, as always, Firefox is, for me, far superior to Internet Explorer or any other browser on the market.

Happy Trails!

Erick

Re:Very clean! (2, Interesting)

FattMattP (86246) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379510)

Can Firefox disable animated images now? Or stop them when you hit the ESC key?

Re:Very clean! (5, Informative)

Teach (29386) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379789)

Can Firefox disable animated images now? Or stop them when you hit the ESC key?

Yes, but like many things there's still no way to modify the preference from the menu. You'll have to type about:config in the URL bar, and then change the value of image.animation_mode. I've got mine set to once, which plays each animation once and then stops, but I think you can also set it to none.

Re:Very clean! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9379538)

I just installed it, running it now. They've separated extensions and the theme out from the normal options panel. The new theme is ok, the icons seem a bit... small, fiddly. Now to try to get my webdeveloper bar to work...

Hm, it talks of some 'update site,' for .9. Bah.

Re:Very clean! (5, Interesting)

chromaphobic (764362) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379554)

Yeah, Firefox did a great job of importing my bookmarks, from frickin' Internet Explorer, which I don't even use, but not the bookmarks from the previous Firefox (0.8) install. Real helpful.

Ah well, at least it's not IE.

Re:Very clean! (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9379578)

Very clean?

I just downloaded and installed Firefox and it has the ugliest theme and icons I have ever seen. It looks words than Nescape Navigator 2.0. Everything is a flat grey, then you have a big stupid two-dimenstional blue refresh button, grey left and right arrows, a stupid flat grey then red stop button and a "house" for "home" that looks like it came straight from MSIE.

Shouldn't we realize by now that people like applications that look snazzy? Firefox doesn't currently shout "modern, hip and slick". It shouts "flat, dull and 1997".

Re:Very clean! (1)

Sn_wC_t (769951) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379600)

The Downloads window still has my downloads in it from the previous version.

...weird!

Re:Very clean! (1)

Phiz (21461) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379649)

I love Firefox, but I'm a bit disappointed to see that my extensions didn't automatically carry over. I had Adblock nicely configured and now I'm going to have to poke around to move that configuration over. Also, Firefox initially was pushing the minimal area used by the interface as a plus. However, on my Mandrake/KDE setup, the new icons have huge borders that are hogging pixels they don't really need.

Can't beat Konqueror's font rendering though (3, Interesting)

headkase (533448) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379679)

I keep coming back to Konqueror simply because the font rendering is simple the best looking. I really hope Firefox's font rendering get's addressed before 1.0.

Re:Can't beat Konqueror's font rendering though (3, Informative)

dmomo (256005) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379744)

I had this problem too. I then found a package which included GTK libraries. That fixed it fine.

Re:Very clean! (3, Informative)

jimand (517224) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379741)

I installed it this morning before the /.ing and lost all my 0.8 firefox bookmarks (bug 246018) when Firefox auto-imported (no prompt; bug 170869) all the IE bookmarks on my PC. I now have all my son's bookmarks. aargh!

Just in time! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9379439)

What with all the changing standards on the web, we need browsers to continue to evolve and do... the same thing as before.

yihaa (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9379444)

Uh-yeah.. Get 'em while they are still fresh..

New Theme (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9379449)

"though please bear in mind that the theme is nowhere near finished yet"

Good. Don't waste anymore time on it. It sucks.

What was wrong with the old theme? Beautiful logo, great application, bad theme.

Debian (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9379451)

Debian is still shipping Netscape 4.7...

exit all WIndows programs? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9379462)

THe linux gtk installer version of this RC tells me to exit all Windows programs before running Setup.

DONE!

Re:exit all WIndows programs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9379606)

Are you running wine? :)

Re:exit all WIndows programs? (2, Insightful)

PeterPumpkin (777678) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379607)

Haha, I would have never noticed. Ah, but this is forgivable because there never was a Linux installer before.

I think I'll go file that bug if nobody has beat me to it.

Re:exit all WIndows programs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9379724)

While you're at it, mention that clicking on the dotted circle (where the firefox symbol used to be, that spins when loading) doesnt take you to mozilla.org any longer

Well... (1)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379611)

Did you?

Re:exit all WIndows programs? (5, Informative)

Plutor (2994) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379682)

That's bug 240527, filed 14 April 2004. It's marked as "blocking 1.0", but not "blocking 0.9".

I hope they fix the slow loading issue ! (5, Interesting)

Zanek (546281) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379463)

My main gripe with Mozilla is that when you leave it alone for about 30 minutes or so and come back, it takes like 15-50 seconds to be active again, which is extremely annoying (loading it from virtual mem ?). They really need to fix that
Also, some pages like WashingtonPost.com have a problem where it is constantly reloading itself (perhaps a JS error).

Re:I hope they fix the slow loading issue ! (5, Informative)

IvyMike (178408) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379518)

My main gripe with Mozilla is that when you leave it alone for about 30 minutes or so and come back, it takes like 15-50 seconds to be active again, which is extremely annoying (loading it from virtual mem ?)

Saw this on mozillazine a few weeks ago:
Users experiencing bug 76831, a very long delay restoring Mozilla after it has been minimized for several hours (Windows machines only), may find relief by setting the config.trim_on_minimize preference to false. See comment 0 and comment 303 in the bug for details.
(Back to Mike: I think you need to go to about:config and create a new boolean pref for this; I have not tried it myself.)

Re:I hope they fix the slow loading issue ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9379589)

I also have this problem with Firefox 0.8 and "trim" doesn't appear on "about:config". For me, it's the only downside to Firefox.

Re:I hope they fix the slow loading issue ! (2, Informative)

TechnoPops (590791) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379664)

Note the fine print:

(Back to Mike: I think you need to go to about:config and create a new boolean pref for this; I have not tried it myself.)

Re:I hope they fix the slow loading issue ! (0, Troll)

Lobo_Louie (545789) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379662)

>>Users experiencing bug 76831, a very long delay restoring Mozilla after it has been minimized for several hours (Windows machines only)... Easy solution, don't use windoze. Signed, Mr. Obvious

Re:I hope they fix the slow loading issue ! (-1, Troll)

garcia (6573) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379745)

Yeah sounds like Mozilla is certainly the browser that most people should choose. Editing config files and screwing around with speed issues after idle time.

Just what normal Windows users need. More system slow downs.

Re:I hope they fix the slow loading issue ! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9379738)

My main gripe with Mozilla is that when you leave it alone for about 30 minutes or so and come back, it takes like 15-50 seconds to be active again, which is extremely annoying (loading it from virtual mem ?). They really need to fix that.

Lookee here [mozilla.org] - it's fixed already:

Users experiencing bug 76831, a very long delay restoring Mozilla after it has been minimized for several hours (Windows machines only), may find relief by setting the config.trim_on_minimize preference to false. See comment 0 and comment 303 in the bug for details.

(If you read that bug, you'll find a knowledge base article from Microsoft that shows that unconditionally swapping out minimized applications is standard windows behaviour... *ugh*)

np: Autechre - Gelk (Peel Session 2)

You're welcome (5, Funny)

b00m3rang (682108) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379464)

Had I known that installing both these packages would cause a new version release the next day, I would have done it much sooner.

Time to go wash my car.

Re:You're welcome (3, Funny)

Dylan2000 (592069) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379717)

Oh, hey, it's raining!

IE (1, Interesting)

swordboy (472941) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379465)

Is there a mozilla variant out there that mimicks the look and feel of IE yet? Jokes aside, I really hate installing mozilla only to uninstall it everytime because it simply doesn't work with my old habits.

Sigh...

Re:IE (3, Funny)

Dethboy (136650) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379487)

Huh? You mean insecure, bloated, and integrated into your OS? Just use IE? Or change your habits?

Re:IE (1)

swordboy (472941) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379559)

Jokes aside...

You can't teach an old dog new tricks. I've tried to force myself but that has not succeeded.

Just use IE?

I'd like to help the community and I could actually install mozilla on several dozen of the PCs that I administer but the curve is too high for non-geeks. I will continue to use IE and endorse it with this kind of response.

Elitism at its finest.

Re:IE (3, Informative)

DA-MAN (17442) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379640)

I'd like to help the community and I could actually install mozilla on several dozen of the PCs that I administer but the curve is too high for non-geeks. I will continue to use IE and endorse it with this kind of response.

My girlfriend is as non-geek as you can get. When I removed IE from the Desktop and replaced it with a Firefox Icon, she didn't even miss a beat. As long as all her bookmarks imported she could care less what was displaying the site.

That said, I don't think I've ever seen anyone miss a beat when using Firefox as opposed to IE. To most people, a browser, is a browser, is a browser...

Re:IE (1)

Jagasian (129329) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379708)

What things, exactly, bug you about Mozilla's look-n-feel? Is it something that a skin could fix, i.e. something that is just "looks" and not "feel"?

What do you do when Microsoft changes its interfaces? They have done it before, they will do it again. They have done it with other apps too... even with their desktop! Are you going to cling to an old version of IE that is riddled with bugs?

I had been using only Windows for 7 years before I switched to 100% Linux. I knew that there would be a culture shock, so I slowly replaced my Windows apps with cross-platform apps like Mozilla and OpenOffice. This was back with Mozilla 1.0, and I remember being annoyed by slight differences in the feel. But now there are very few differences, "feel" wise, between the browsers. Also, the little differences there are, are very superficial.

So my point is that if you were a little more specific, then maybe things could be improved with Mozilla. However, there is little chance that anybody will want to create an IE clone. Skins are one thing, but a full-fledged clone is another.

So if you have usability suggestions for Mozilla, please speak loudly and make them. Otherwise people will just think that you are a koala bear that can only eat eucalyptus leaves.

Re:IE (3, Insightful)

It'sYerMam (762418) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379727)

"curve is too high for non-geeks"

Heh?! I convinced some randomer from archery to install firefox, and not only did he not get lost and isn't a geek, but he also said he found it much better than IE.
I can't remember Mozilla, but Firefox is incredibly easy and intuitive.

Re:IE (3, Informative)

PeterPumpkin (777678) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379532)

There is a luna theme [intraplanar.net] availible, but it doesn't appear to be maintained anymore. It breaks some features in Firefox 0.8, but if the IE look is all you care about, there you are.

Huh? (2, Informative)

LothDaddy (169765) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379535)

I don't know about Mozilla, but the last time I upgraded Firefix (0.8), the installer pick up all of the bookmarks, stored form information, etc.

Re:IE (4, Funny)

sloanster (213766) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379553)

There's been an ie skin for mozilla in the usual places, I was playing with it at least a year ago...

It's a hilarious hack, and makes it look a _lot_ like ie, but it's not a perfect emulation since there are no viruses, and popups are blocked, but otherwise, a pretty fair approximation.

Re:IE (1)

His name cannot be s (16831) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379644)

Yes there is!

Try out kMeleon [sourceforge.net]

It was started as an IE with Moz knockoff.

The actual question (3, Funny)

MissTuxie (722948) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379468)

So, what will be the name of Firefox's new version? (I vote for Powercthüllu. Got to love Firesomething :)

Re:The actual question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9379687)

I vote for Powercthüllu. Got to love Firesomething


If it has to have fire, then use Cthuga. Errr... I see that's a music visualization [afn.org] program. Are all the good names taken? I'm starting to see why we get Ogg Vorbis and the like.

Torrents (4, Interesting)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379472)

Anyone wanna seed the firefox d/l?

Anyone notice that there are editor holy wars (vi emacs), distro holy wars, but no 'browser' holy wars (yeah, ie vs mozilla, but that windows vs linux... I'm talking all in linux). Stuff like 'theme isn't finished' would be jumped on by the 'other browser' elitists. So linux needs a second open source free browser project so we can have a browser holywar.

Re:Browser Holy Wars (1)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379517)

Sure there is...to some extent. Mostly it's between gecko-based and KHTML-based browsers.

Re:Torrents (1)

Nuclear_Loser (663599) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379588)

Anyone notice that there are editor holy wars (vi emacs), distro holy wars, but no 'browser' holy wars (yeah, ie vs mozilla, but that windows vs linux... I'm talking all in linux). Stuff like 'theme isn't finished' would be jumped on by the 'other browser' elitists. So linux needs a second open source free browser project so we can have a browser holywar.

It was Opera vs. Mozilla for me, but every version of Opera sucked more than the last since 5.0 IMO... then Firefox came out and solved everything.

As for second open source free browsers.. take your pick. KDE has Konqueor and there's always links2 -g - with a bit more eye candy links2 would be quite nice to use.

Konqueror (5, Funny)

amightywind (691887) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379638)

What about Konqueror, you jackass.

Re:Konqueror (4, Funny)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379673)

See... now THIS is what I'm talking about.... now where'd I leave that asbestos suit....

Theme is hideous.. (1)

x.Draino.x (693782) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379473)

Just installed, theme is hideous. But it's very snappy.

Differences between Linux and Windows HTML engines (3, Interesting)

commo1 (709770) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379477)

Has anyone noticed differences between the HTML engines in Mozilla? Using Mozilla/Firefox on a Linux distro, there are certain style sheets that do not display correctly (mostly hidden behind a graphic or otherwise), but seem to work fine under Mozilla/Firefox in Windows. An example is www.aicipc.com.

No Name Change? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9379480)

I'm very disappointed. I was under the impression that open source and the ingenuity of a team of dedicated, enthusiastic developers could finally push Rapid NameChange(TM) technology into the mainstream.

Just do it (4, Informative)

stecoop (759508) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379489)

It was just discussed earlier today that some users cant install Mozilla [slashdot.org] on restricted systems but you can download the zip files on run from any directory. So there is no need to patch IE [slashdot.org] . Just start with mozilla.
Some option you will want to use are under edit -> preferences -> Navigator:
+ Tabbed browsing - turn on Load Links in background, Add, Tabs, Middle click and ctrl-enter
+ Smart browsing - Enable Internet Keywords, Auto complete, Domain Guessing

The key for someone new is to try it. Don't listen to everyone one trying to shove Mozilla at you, but simply check it out for say 3 days. If you don't like it then that is ok but I bet you will start saying that it's a great browser.

Re:Just do it (1)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379595)

I've been running from an extracted zip file since last fall. The only problem is that your settings don't go with you, even if you pack everything back into the zip file.

Re:Just do it (1)

stecoop (759508) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379707)

On WinNT variants you will have C:\Documents and Settings\Some USER and then \Application Data\Mozilla\Profiles\Some user. Store that on a network drive. Also if this dosnt work check out the cache directory to ensure you get everything.
One extrme method I read about on slashdot the other day was a guy using cvs to pack up everything in his home directory (the url escapes me) but I am investigating on doing this via Cygwin so I dont run into problems like you describe.

Re:Just do it (4, Insightful)

Issue9mm (97360) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379602)

And the easiest way to try it is to assign mozilla the big blue "E" icon for Internet Explorer.

The hardest part (in my experience) for people to make the switch is that they're so used to loading IE, and don't think to look for the little dragon-head icon. Point the "E" to Mozilla and you'll be up to speed in no time.

-9mm-

Mozilla/Firefox Whitelist (5, Informative)

ChowyChow (149961) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379490)

Since spyware has gone cross-platform thanks to the XPI extensions, they've now implemented a whitelist (see What's New [mozilla.org] ) in retaliation.

This really is open source at its best. Microsoft has not responded to the same problems involving ActiveX.

Re:Mozilla/Firefox Whitelist (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9379766)

Users who find themselves locked out of their favorite extension because it's not offered on one of the whitelisted sites (mozilla.org, mozdev.org, texturizer.net) can
  • turn off the whitelist requirement (BAD CHOICE) by setting xpinstall.whitelist.required to false in about:config.
  • add the site to the whitelist in xpinstall.whitelist.add (also on the about:config page)
  • download the extension xpi and drop it onto an open Mozilla window.

Camino 0.8b (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9379505)

Is Camino still being worked on at all? It's been 0.8b since like early 2003.

Re:Camino 0.8b (1)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379746)

Camine 0.8b was released on 19 may 2004; not so long ago. It has its bugs, and I'm eagerly waiting for the next release, but it still beats Safari for me (I got tired of not being able to do _anything_ while a page is loading).

Re:Camino 0.8b (1)

BadMrMojo (767184) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379782)

Actually it was 0.7 for ages... 0.8 just came out in mid-May.

It took me forever to switch from Camino to Firefox - sadly enough mostly because I like the aqua form elements and such - but I eventually did. Now I just can't get myself to switch back and I can't see a reason to do so, really.

Anyone? Why bother with Camino (dear as it may be) anymore?

Nowhere near finished, but due out soon? (5, Interesting)

OblongPlatypus (233746) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379520)

Why do they put a default theme that is "nowhere near finished" in a product that's "due very soon"?

Yes, I know Firefox is "for those on the cutting edge", and I guess we shouldn't expect cutting-edge products to be completely finished in every respect, but Firefox is the only open source product most of my Windows-using friends are willing to even try. It would be a shame to hamper its continued spread by making the default theme an unfinished one.

Re:Nowhere near finished, but due out soon? (2, Interesting)

Alby (755413) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379627)

And I'm having problems installing a new theme over this disgusting new default ... anyone else having the same problem? Did the architecture for themes really change that much from 0.8 to this release?

Re:Nowhere near finished, but due out soon? (1)

Plutor (2994) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379742)

The entire theme manager was rewritten from scratch, and there were several different modifications to the theme "architecture" because of that. Most themes will need only small changes, and hopefully the release of an RC will convince most theme creators that now is the time to do that.

Re:Nowhere near finished, but due out soon? (4, Insightful)

Slack3r78 (596506) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379786)

Because rather than communicate clearly with the theme author or the community, the core devs made a decision and kept it secret from everyone until release was imminent, to the detriment of the project IMO. The crappy part is that, at this point, the chances of this poor decision being reversed are slim to none as it'd mean the core devs losing face.

I'm all for change and improvement, but this is a step back for Firefox as far as acceptance by the average user goes. The old theme was excellent in that it was close enough to IE to be familiar, yet different enough to be unique in its own right. In the end, it doesn't matter how good your software is, if the average user is turned off by the default interface, they're not going to use it.

Wrong version (1)

Vilim (615798) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379523)

I just installed the windows version (will install the linux version when I get home from work) nand in the installer it says that I am installing version .8. In the about dialog it says that I have version .8+.

Re:Wrong version (1)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379681)

at least it's not .8#.NET

MacOS theme on Windows, eh? (1)

YetAnotherName (168064) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379545)

... features the new default theme ported from Mac OS on Windows ...

Does that mean the next release of Camino [mozilla.org] will have the Windows look/feel ported to MacOS X? (I hope not!)

Also, didja notice that someone's already squatted mozzila.org [mozzila.org] ?

Winstripe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9379560)

The new "Winstripe" theme actually looks pretty good, considering it's only at an alpha stage.

Just remember how nasty Qute (The old Firefox theme) looked when it was alpha. =O

By the time Firefox 1.0 comes out, I'm sure it will look fine.

Big deal (-1, Flamebait)

trotski (592530) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379564)

Internet explorer is still so much more superior to Mozilla/Firefox. I mean, the load times are out of this world compared to Mozilla. Furthermore, with google toolbar you can block pop ups just as effectivly as with mozilla. I used Mozilla for a while, but after using IE with google toolbar I'm never going back.

Re:Big deal (2, Informative)

daemonc (145175) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379688)

Yeah, IE is so much more superior [securityfocus.com] , I can't imagine why anyone would use Mozilla/Firefox...

Re:Big deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9379701)

I can get fast load times and no pop-ups in lynx too. The trouble is, Explorer is full of holes and doesn't support CSS worth shit. Call me again when it supports the "hover" property correctly - or maybe even PNG alpha channels.

Re:Big deal (1)

PeterPumpkin (777678) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379751)

I agree! Having Intervirus Exploder 6.0 With Lookout Distress, I can do everything I want to do and more!

-Install popup blockers laced with interesting/strange new programs!
-Randomly get all kinds of other interesting/strange new programs on my computer!
-Getting called a "n00b" behind my back by people who know better!
-And best of all, Contribute to the corporate ownership of the internet!


"He who makes a sheep of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man."

Re:Big deal (2, Insightful)

Professeur Shadoko (230027) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379768)

Most of IE is loaded when Windows starts. Compare the load time of IE with the time Mozilla takes to start the SECOND time you run it (when its files are in cache) if you want a valid comparison. And then, hard to say which is the fastest.

And Mozilla still has the best security, tabbed browsing, and so on...

Re:Big deal (0, Troll)

Rodrin (729362) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379783)

Do a little thing like web standards mean anything to you? Common, Internet Explorer makes every single web developer's life HELL. It's almost impossible to make a decent page when Internet Explorer follows about 5% of web standards today. If Internet Explorer wasn't around the internet would be a much better place.

Awesome! (2, Insightful)

Silverlancer (786390) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379565)

Download 0.9, and it owns! Yet again Mozilla comes out with an awesome browser ;). I've always loved the tabs, and the best part is that no matter how much adware I have on my system, it never pops up, because I don't use IE ;)

from the article... (-1, Offtopic)

wwest4 (183559) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379571)

"It's more than just a cute way of seeing what's happening on a site,"

Dare I say that it is not any more than this? It's very cool, but wouldn't it be more intuitive in the form of a bunch of bar graphs or pie charts?

Release Candidate? (4, Insightful)

thedillybar (677116) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379574)

Am I the only one confused by a "release candidate" for version 0.9?
It's not even 1.0 yet, you can't rely on it to be stable (although I have found 0.8 to work better than IE, which is supposedly stable).
Why not call it 0.85 if it's not 0.9?

Version 0.8? (2, Informative)

Alby (755413) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379584)

This is Version 0.9RC, a release candidate, that's why you see "Version 0.8" in the install screens.

Seems a bit faster to start up than before and the warning on closing a window with multiple tabs open is long overdue. The new theme, however, is pretty disgusting (except the "throbber") and most of the themes out there don't seem to be backwards compatible.

Re:Version 0.8? (1)

shic (309152) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379696)

Captain obvious now asks: In what timeframe do we expect to see 0.9 released?

Am I the only one.. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9379619)

Am I the only one that both on windows and linux find the mozilla to be faster at startup, better working with plugins and more stable?

Excuse me but on real heavy load (like 60 tabs of large pages) mozilla manages well when firefox at least to me with the official binaries crashes.

I'm talking about the 0.8.

Anybody got a screen shot? (1)

jfengel (409917) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379654)

Since there'll probably be a 0.9 final out in a few days, I'll stick with my 0.8 at the moment. But I'd really like to get a look at the new theme. Unfortunately I can't find one on their site. Has anybody got a picture they can share?

mozilla vs. firefox/thunderbird? (2, Interesting)

buttahead (266220) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379666)

what are the benefits of using firefox and thunderbird over using the normal mozilla?

I've been using mozilla for a long time, and haven't had a reason to try the new offsprings, so I'm mainly looking for an overview.

Installer and About Dialog Box (2)

ericandgina (685310) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379671)

Well, I downloaded and installed Mozilla 0.9 for Windows here at work, and noticed the installer said that it was version 0.8. I thought maybe I downloaded the wrong file. I looked at my desktop and it said FirefoxSetup-0.9rc.exe. I went ahead with the install, and loaded up Firefox. It was definitley a different theme, but when I went to Help->About, it said it was version 0.8...

Did someone forget to update the installer and the about dialog boxes?

Eric

The new theme (1)

Daath (225404) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379693)

While I think the new theme is fairly ok, even pretty. I like the old one, Qute, far, far better. At some point the reason for it to go was that the author's license was incompatible with Mozilla's - But I don't think that's an issue anymore - I wish they'd keep Qute, in my opinion it's far more consistant than the new pinstripe theme...

New Firefox (1)

Carlos Silva (773727) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379697)

For me this new theme seems bloated..
I installed another theme and Firefox seemed faster..
I don't know if anybody has noticed this too.. but it looks great nevertheless..

Firefox 0.9 RC1 on Windows theme problem (2, Interesting)

kryptkpr (180196) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379700)

I just happened to swing by the mozilla page today before the story broke, and happily downloaded and installed the release candidate.. It was on my system for about 5 minutes, and now I'm back to 0.8

The new default theme looks UGLY... so I figure ok, I can change it. Every theme I tried from the themes site didn't work (wouldn't install) .. so I figure they just haven't been updated, so I went to the bugzilla entry about themes and found some 0.9-upgraded themes.. downloaded just fine, but I was unable to switch to the new theme even after a browser restart ... the hideous new theme just wouldn't go away! (but I kinda like the new theme selector)

As an extra irrotation, someone decided it's a good idea to change the hotkey that opens the downloads window.. that was the last straw for me.

Re:Firefox 0.9 RC1 on Windows theme problem (4, Informative)

fiiz (263633) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379778)

Hey,

you can get the qute theme from its designer's website here. [quadrone.org]

Mozilla is dying (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9379703)

It is official; Netcraft confirms: Mozilla is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Mozilla community when IDC confirmed that Mozilla market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all web browsers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that Mozilla has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Mozilla is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict Mozilla's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Mozilla faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Mozilla because Mozilla is dying. Things are looking very bad for Mozilla. As many of us are already aware, Mozilla continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

Netscape 7 is the most endangered of them all, having lost 100% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant firing of all 50 Netscape developers [mozillazine.org] by AOL only serves to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: Mozilla is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

Mozilla.org leader Mitchell Baker states that there are 7000 users of Mozilla. How many users of Firebird are there? Let's see. The number of Mozilla versus Firebird posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Firebird users. Camino posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of Firebird posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of Camino. A recent article put Netscape 7 at about 80 percent of the Mozilla market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Netscape 7 users. This is consistent with the number of Netscape 7 usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Mozilla, abysmal sales and so on, Netscape went out of business and will probably be taken over by AOL who sell another troubled browser. Now AOL is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that Mozilla has steadily declined in market share. Mozilla is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Mozilla is to survive at all it will be among browser dilettante dabblers. Mozilla continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Mozilla is dead.

Fact: Mozilla is dying

Re: (1, Funny)

SageMadHatter (546701) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379725)

So what is new for those of us who don't care about a theme change?

Real Pinstripe (1)

archen (447353) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379732)

Is there any chance that the pinstripe theme is going to be available for other platforms? Not this "winstripe" thing, I'm talking about exactly what you see on OSX. I use Firefox on Windows,Mac, and Linux and I have to say that I am a BIG fan of pinstripe.

It's sleek, minimalistic, while being quite attractive and intuitive. It's seriously the nicest looking browser there is (yeah, even nicer than safari IMHO). I don't really care what they do with the firefox interface if they would just allow me to theme firefox in pinstripe everywhere.

No other themes or extensions (2, Informative)

wyldeone (785673) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379761)

I just installed .9, and unfortuanetly it doesn't allow you to use any old themes or extensions (and as far as I know there aren't any new ones). It did manage to bring over all of my setting to the new version quite nicily, though I have to say that the new default theme isn't nearly as nice as the old one.

4.7 mb (2, Insightful)

dk.r*nger (460754) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379776)

I've been using Fire[bird|fox] for about a year - and I just can't get over the fact that the installer is so tiny: 4.7 mb ..

I wish there was a smooth scrolling autoscroll. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9379781)

Where Mozilla and Firefox are concerned, you can have Autoscroll as an extension but it'll be jerky and flickery. You can get a smoothscroll extension that will scroll really smoothly, BUT it is not integrated with autoscroll and may never be.

So if you're looking for smooth autoscroll, IE remains the best.

It is the only reason I keep using IE.

Non MSI version? (1)

Mz6 (741941) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379785)

Well.. since I am not able to install any software (work machine) I need something that is non MSI. I seem to remember there being an older verison that didn't require a Windows setup. Anyone have a link?

1.7 or 1.8 would be stable branch? (1)

BRSloth (578824) | more than 10 years ago | (#9379790)

Mozilla 1.7RC3 should iron out any final bugs in what will replace 1.4 as the new stable branch

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Mozilla 1.8 (currently on Alpha/Beta) the current "would be stable branch version"? I remember that, when the announce of 1.8 came along, it was pointed that this would be the new stable branch...

I'm confused...

Problems with .9 rc (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9379794)

I noticed a couple problems with .9rc so i reinstalled .8 until .9 is released. A couple of them were stylesheets didn't show up correctly, not all the themes/extentions worked yet. I realize that these can/will be fixed, but I will wait to install it until they are, I really like my mouse gestures extention that I couldn't get to work on .9 rc.

I think I am going to like firefox's new extention manager/updator as well, looks cool.

All in all it looks like a good release, with just a couple bugs to iron out. Then the authors of the extentions need to update them too. :)
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