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Apple Releases iTunes 4.6

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the what's-this-itunes-thing dept.

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sinclair44 writes "Apple has released iTunes 4.6. The new version 'includes support for playing your music wirelessly using AirPort Express with AirTunes. It also includes a number of other minor enhancements.' The update is also available in Mac OS X's Software Update."

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Correction (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9380697)

Should be "Apple have released iTunes 4.6."

Can you people speak english?

Re:Correction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9383338)

"Has" is correct. Apple is a singular noun.

Re:Correction (0, Offtopic)

sunrein (580805) | more than 10 years ago | (#9384344)

You moron. A corporation is a collective noun, which is singular.

Over the pond (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9386301)

It's a British/US issue. In Britain collective nouns are plural.

Re:Over the pond (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9388597)

For God's sake - In Britain collective nouns IS plural ;-)

Re:Correction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9389678)

English should be spelt with a capital "E"

Disables Hymn-ed songs? (5, Interesting)

bubba451 (779167) | more than 10 years ago | (#9380737)

These iTunes versions lately seem to be sneaking in unadvertised anti-piracy "features."

One poster in the macrumors forums claims that songs de-DRMed through Hymn no longer play [macrumors.com] .

Can anyone verify?

Re:Disables Hymn-ed songs? (4, Informative)

platypussrex (594064) | more than 10 years ago | (#9380938)

Have not used Hymn so can't verify, but another poster on the same thread claims to be playing de-DRMed songs just fine in 4.6

Re:Disables Hymn-ed songs? (5, Informative)

boysimple (188175) | more than 10 years ago | (#9381075)

My hymn-ed songs do not play. They say :

This computer is not authorized to play "I Woke Up Screaming"
This song was originally purchased using the account "myaccountname@mac.com"

So they do seem to be checking something. And calling out those who share hymn-ed files. Not sure how the macrumors fellow is getting his to play....
--

Re:Disables Hymn-ed songs? (4, Informative)

austad (22163) | more than 10 years ago | (#9381121)

They are probably checking for the non-standard id3 tag info which lists the account it was purchased under. The old version of Hymn didn't put that in, but the new one does.

The people still able to play are probably playing files de-drm'd with the older version. If you grab the new version of Hymn, just try ripping out the portion of code that inserts that tag in the new file and I bet it will work just fine.

I've purchased much more music since Hymn came out because now I can play it on my linux box at work without having to burn cd's or do a lossy->lossy conversion.

Re:Disables Hymn-ed songs? (1)

rattler14 (459782) | more than 10 years ago | (#9381694)

Um, what exact portion of the code puts it back in? I'm not a hardcore coder, and don't really want to futz around and screw it all up.

also, since hymn says it can't extract the DRM key, it appears it isn't even accessing the information about the user who purchased the song

Re:Disables Hymn-ed songs? (4, Insightful)

Abjifyicious (696433) | more than 10 years ago | (#9382078)

I can confirm this. I have some songs where I stripped the DRM with an older version of Hymn, and they work fine. Songs that I stripped with the newer version of Hymn however, don't work.

I'm not quite sure why Apple did this. The reason the new version of Hymn leaves all the tags in is to discourage piracy, but I imagine the next version will probably revert to stripping all tags out. It seems like Apple is not only going to be pissing off a lot of people by doing this, but they're also going to be making piracy easier in the long term.

Re:Disables Hymn-ed songs? (3, Insightful)

platypussrex (594064) | more than 10 years ago | (#9382134)

I'm not quite sure why Apple did this.

My guess is that in order to keep the RIAA happy, Apple has to "fix" FairPlay anytime a drm-breaking scheme comes up. No matter that what you said makes perfect sense, you have to remember we are talking RIAA here, and making sense doesn't seem to be in their playbook.

Just strip the tags to play the de-DRM'd files (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9383292)

Simply run the HYMN de-DRM'd files through a tag remover such as tgutf, and "poof!"... you're good to go. Of course, you'll have to add whatever tags you use back into the file, but at least iTunes will now play them.

Re:Disables Hymn-ed songs? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9388082)

DeDRMS 0.3 [nanocrew.net]
If you're having trouble playing your legally bought music, you might want to try this command:


find ~/Music -iname '*.m4p' -exec perl -pi -e 'BEGIN{$b=0}if(!$b){if(s/geID\x00\x00/DIeg\x00\x00 /){$b=1}}' {} ";"

If iTunes plays your fixed files but won't transfer them to your iPod, delete the entries from your iTunes library and then readd the files.

MD5(DeDRMS-0.3.tar.gz) = 9a3fe1940771e8b55fdf1f77d019bd8d

Re:Disables Hymn-ed songs? (3, Informative)

iansquared (677253) | more than 10 years ago | (#9381445)

Verified on Windows XP.

Re:Disables Hymn-ed songs? (1)

blibbler (15793) | more than 10 years ago | (#9383444)

Interestingly, if you open the file in Quicktime, you can export and "pass through" the data to an mp4 file which iTunes will play without complaint.

If anything, this will just discourage Hymn from leaving information in the files which identifies them.

Blibbler

Re:Disables Hymn-ed songs? (1)

blibbler (15793) | more than 10 years ago | (#9383466)

as an addendum, with the changes to the limitations intrudoced with iTunes 4.5, (allowing 5 computers) there really is little legitimate reason to use Hymn to play music on extra iTunes... on the other hand, the arguably legitimate uses for Hymn, to play the aac tracks on devices other than an iPod and iTunes, they will continue to be able to play the Hymned tracks.

Blibbler

Yes, it does.. here's how to fix: (4, Informative)

Otto (17870) | more than 10 years ago | (#9383737)

Temporary fix:
Open the Hymn'ed song in a hex editor.. Look for "geID" or something with "ID" as the last two characters there. I'm not sure if it's always the same or not. Anyway, change this to "xxID" and save it. Then try the file in iTunes again.

Or wait for a new Hymn to remove the ID entirely.

Or just don't install 4.6. It doesn't add a whole heck of a lot of functionality except for compatibility with that new wireless access point/stereo output thing they've got coming out.

Frankly, this was an *extremely* stupid move by Apple. What's the point? Look, people can crack the DRM, okay. But the programs tried to be nice by leaving the ID in there. The point was to enable fair use, not to enable file sharing. By leaving the ID in there, it makes it extremely easy to figure out who illegally shared their purchased music. People using it for fair use purposes wouldn't be sharing the music, and so they have no worries about the ID being there or not.

This "fix" by Apple just makes it HARDER for them to actually catch anybody sharing music. Because now a new version will be created to remove the ID as well, and thus make files that are indistinguishable from normally ripped and encoded ones. Now somebody shares music, and there's no way to track them down. How STUPID can Apple be? Seriously? This is just freakin' preposterous.

Re:Yes, it does.. here's how to fix: (3, Insightful)

MoneyT (548795) | more than 10 years ago | (#9390532)

Frankly, this was an *extremely* stupid move by Apple. What's the point?

Good relations with the RIAA. iTMS dies without the RIAA. Period, end of story. If Apple doesn't at least play by a basic set of rules, the RIAA will roll up and move to another service even more restrictive and iTMS dies.

So which would you rather? Having to remove a tag, or having no iTMS to begin with?

Re:Yes, it does.. here's how to fix: (2, Insightful)

Otto (17870) | more than 10 years ago | (#9390731)

So which would you rather? Having to remove a tag, or having no iTMS to begin with?

Frankly, I don't give a shit whether the iTMS is there or not. If they don't want to sell music to me online, then I'll simply get it from P2P systems like I did before.

Here's the deal. The RIAA has no leverage power. Yes, they have the music, but I, the customer, have the cash. If they don't want to sell to me, fuck 'em. I'll obtain my music some other way. If they try to make a more restrictive service, fuck 'em, I'll either bypass their restrictions when they get in my way, or I'll go back to the P2P systems and they won't get a dime out of me.

You act as if they have the power in this situation. They don't. If the DRM gets too annoying, people will go back to not paying for music. It's real simple. If they want my money, they have to not piss me off too much for me to hand it over. Easy as that.

Lawsuits don't scare me. They've "sued" less than 2000 people. There's 50 million file sharers. Seems like good odds, in my book. They can't sue everybody.

Actually, this is a good thing (2, Interesting)

Devil's Avocado (73913) | more than 10 years ago | (#9392514)

I was quite relieved to see this move on Apple's part. It's not in *their* best interests but it's certainly in the best interests of hymn users because it will force them to remove the ID tag. The notion of leaving the ID in the hymn'ed file was foolish and reckless -- a horrible disservice. If you had a hymn'ed file in your library and had enabled iTunes sharing then somebody could use something like Leechster to copy that file without your consent. If that person then shared the file to Kazaa or whatever and Apple got hold of it then you would take the fall.

And no, enabling iTunes sharing is *not* consenting to have other people copy your songs, it's consenting to have other people *listen* to them. If they abuse that privelege it's not your fault. It's an Apple-approved feature and there's no sensible reason why I should be able to use it for songs I've ripped from CDs but not those I've purchased from iTMS.

MP3s still work fine (2, Informative)

Vandil X (636030) | more than 10 years ago | (#9383760)

I still say the best way to de-DRM iTunes purchases is to burn then to an Audio CD-RW, then rip back as MP3s. Grab the album art from WalMart.com and you're all set.

Re:MP3s still work fine (1)

dorjelorand (68175) | more than 10 years ago | (#9384940)

I still say the best way to de-DRM iTunes purchases is to burn then to an Audio CD-RW, then rip back as MP3s. Grab the album art from WalMart.com and you're all set.

Hmmm ...

If you don't notice the significant audio degredation from decoding a lossy format and then re-encoding with a different lossy format

... and if you don't mind spending all the time to burn those CDs

... not to mention wasting all that money and plastic

... and re-typing all of the track metadata when you rip from your custom-burned CD

... then maybe that is the best way. The rest of us will continue to try for something simpler and higher-quality.


W

Re:Disables Hymn-ed songs? (1)

inchhigh (730252) | more than 10 years ago | (#9384175)

As some others have postulated, it does seem that tracks 'cleaned' with the old version of hYmn (playfair), do still playback fine.
Tracks processed with recent versions of hYmn don't play, and display a message saying the machine isn't authorized to play the track, even though the original track is authorized to play on that machine, and the original track continues to play fine.
Considering that the hex edit hack offered in another post here works, it seems that the file is just looking for that non standard ID tag.
Maybe the next version of hYmn should just move the purchaser ID info to a standard ID tag, like 'comments' or something. Thus it would still have the info there, but not be detectable as different from a normal aac file.

Re:Disables Hymn-ed songs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9388102)

DeDRMS 0.3 [nanocrew.net]
If you're having trouble playing your legally bought music, you might want to try this command:


find ~/Music -iname '*.m4p' -exec perl -pi -e 'BEGIN{$b=0}if(!$b){if(s/geID\x00\x00/DIeg\x00\x00 /){$b=1}}' {} ";"

If iTunes plays your fixed files but won't transfer them to your iPod, delete the entries from your iTunes library and then readd the files.

MD5(DeDRMS-0.3.tar.gz) = 9a3fe1940771e8b55fdf1f77d019bd8d

Other minor enhancements? (1)

mithran8 (186371) | more than 10 years ago | (#9380800)

Is there any word on what other changes have been made? Aside from AirTunes, everything else on their site matches the 4.5 feature set. Plus, it was a previous 'minor enhancement' that changed the licensing terms of already-purchased music via the iTMS (to the significant apprehension of many people).

Re:Other minor enhancements? (5, Insightful)

iguanarama (612171) | more than 10 years ago | (#9380955)

I'd place good money on there being changes that support the upcoming UK/European version of iTMS rumoured to be announced next week.

Re:Other minor enhancements? (4, Informative)

jadriaen (560723) | more than 10 years ago | (#9381086)

Plus, it was a previous 'minor enhancement' that changed the licensing terms of already-purchased music via the iTMS (to the significant apprehension of many people).

It might be interesting to note that the changes in the licensing terms are only for the newly bought songs in 4.5, i.e. for the songs you already purchased before upgrading to 4.5, the old terms still apply.

That aside, nothing changes in the licensing terms from iTunes 4.5 to 4.6.

Re:Other minor enhancements? (1)

the argonaut (676260) | more than 10 years ago | (#9383009)

It might be interesting to note that the changes in the licensing terms are only for the newly bought songs in 4.5, i.e. for the songs you already purchased before upgrading to 4.5, the old terms still apply.

So long as you continued to use the old version. If you upgraded to 4.5, the new restrictions apply to all songs purchased.

Re:Other minor enhancements? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9383770)

No, this is not true. iTunes 4.6 will use the old terms for songs bought under those terms. New songs that are bought will, of course, be subject to the new terms, but nothing has changed for songs bought under the original agreement.

Another Change? (4, Informative)

platypussrex (594064) | more than 10 years ago | (#9380866)

They are also reporting over on the Apple Discussions that the problems with sharing large (somewhere over 50 gig) libraries has been fixed.

Re:Another Change? (5, Informative)

Twirlip of the Mists (615030) | more than 10 years ago | (#9381140)

The mark was under 50 GB; I'm not sure where it was, but it was related to the number of tracks, not the size of the library. When iTunes 4.5 came out, my library on my home machine was 42 GB and 11,000+ tracks. I had the problem.

And yeah, I can confirm that 4.6 has fixed it.

Re:Another Change? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9381961)

I've had over 150gb/~30000 files managed by iTunes since the first Windows release, and I've never had a problem with it. What kind of problem is it?

Re:Another Change? (1)

platypussrex (594064) | more than 10 years ago | (#9382106)

It had to do with sharing large libraries over a network. Different people reported problems at different sizes (size and number of tracks). There were work-arounds by limiting the number of playlists shared but some had reverted to 4.2 instead.

Re:Another Change? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9383027)

hmm... i've always shared my library and accessed it from 2 other computers on the network.

i guess i got lucky.

Re:Another Change? (1)

Stuart Gibson (544632) | more than 10 years ago | (#9382292)

I had the problem, ripped another album and the problem went away. Very weird one.

Goblin
(I realise this contributed very little to the topic)

Re:Another Change? (3, Informative)

seedman (609436) | more than 10 years ago | (#9382119)

I can confirm that iTunes does in fact fix the 6000+ track bug with sharing. Also, it appears that only the machine hosting the library has to be updated to fix the bug.

In my own testing, I found that connecting to a iTunes 4.6 shared song library of 13000+ tracks over my 100mb LAN from a machine running iTunes 4.5 or 4.6 takes about 10 seconds. Connecting to the same shared library over standard (11mb) Airport takes about 13 seconds.

700GB Library (0, Offtopic)

meehawl (73285) | more than 10 years ago | (#9388883)

My library is 700GB+ and Media Center [musicex.com] doesn't even break a sweat.

AirTunes (4, Interesting)

wedding (618458) | more than 10 years ago | (#9381001)

I'm curious to see how AirTunes works with multiple speaker sets. If I can pump the same playlist to the stereo in my front room, my bedroom, my living room and the one outside, then Apple has just sold 4 Airport Express boxes. The cost of four will be much less than the cost (dollars+personal time) of running all that wiring and getting the speaker sets to all work well.

Can't wait to get my hands on this tonight!

Re:AirTunes (2, Informative)

platypussrex (594064) | more than 10 years ago | (#9381174)

From what I've read you'll be able to stream to each of them, but not at the same time. If what I've read is correct then the audio output will only be sent one place at a time... which includes the host computer, so if you stream to a stereo, you won't have speakers working on the computer at that time.

Re:AirTunes (2, Informative)

wedding (618458) | more than 10 years ago | (#9386071)

That's the way I read it as well, but I was (am) hoping to see an option for multiple sets. The ability to pump to multiple room sets would make it considerably more valuable to me.

As it is now, I probably won't buy one. I've got an iPod with a dock wired to the MD input on my stereo. Not much improvement to have to walk back to the iMac just to switch playlists. No, I haven't forgotten the wireless components, it's just not quite what I need.

Re:AirTunes (1)

Nutcase (86887) | more than 10 years ago | (#9381181)

From what I can tell, you can, but only one at a time. You pick the set from a drop down in iTunes.

Re:AirTunes (5, Informative)

phatsharpie (674132) | more than 10 years ago | (#9381906)

No, AirPort Express only allows you to broadcast on one set of speakers (one AirPort Express station). AirPort Express can broadcast any audio out from iTunes. It works by compressing whatever audio is coming from iTunes using the Apple Lossless Codec and sends it to the station where the "stream" is decompressed, thus no audio degradation is incurred.

Here are some explanation:

http://homepage.mac.com/craigamiller/iblog/C6726 60 861/E1786577583/

-B

Re:AirTunes coming to your home theatre soon (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9384728)

In case you haven't noticed it, the new iTunes has support for trailers [apple.com] , an although this is just a small departure from their current feature set, I bet they are just fine tuning the backend technology to support a full video on-demand service. In a few months, you'll be using iTunes to buy a movie for $9.99 and stream it to your Airport Express II to watch it in your own home theatre. I can't wait.
Originally posted here [blogspot.com] .

Re:AirTunes coming to your home theatre soon (1)

resprung (410576) | more than 10 years ago | (#9385209)

Mod parent up!

That's pretty insightful --

An AirPort Express with a composite video out for connection to a TV would be a stroke of genius. :-)

Re:Check out Squeezebox Synchronize feature (1)

healy (234314) | more than 10 years ago | (#9382506)

Check out the squeezebox with it's synchronize feature. You can put a wireless box, a set of powered speakers in a remote room. It can be synched to play the same music as another room. It's more money than AirTunes but the features of the squeezebox are kick ass. It's totally changed the way I listen to my music.

Re:Good news (5, Informative)

platypussrex (594064) | more than 10 years ago | (#9383567)

Just read a post on the Apple Support forums from an Apple Employee who says that it will be possible to send different streams to different AE boxes under Panther by starting multiple instances of iTunes under fast user switching and letting each one stream to a seperate box (assuming your bandwidth can take it). Sounds pretty cool to me.

Re:Good news (-1, Flamebait)

martinX (672498) | more than 10 years ago | (#9384306)

haha i love it. a simple mac hack that's so simple even a mac user can do it :-)

Control the multiple streams (2, Interesting)

rdarden (87568) | more than 10 years ago | (#9389844)

You may be able to control all of those streams using this hint: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20040 60806111322

Basically set up a playlist, play it as your multiple users, and control it with one final user (adding/deleting tracks).

Re:Good news (1)

MoneyT (548795) | more than 10 years ago | (#9390566)

In theory couldn't you do it by duplicating the iTunes program and starting seperate instances in teh same account?

Has something changed? (2, Interesting)

o-hayo (700478) | more than 10 years ago | (#9392644)

Last time I tried to fast-user-switch iTunes wouldn't run, claiming "Another user is running iTunes, please ask them to close it" or something similar to that. Is that still true or did some update sneak in multi-user iTunes support without me noticing =(

Won't be able to see enhancements till July (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9381125)

I can't find anything obviously different. The wireless streaming to airport express doesn't show up unless you have one on your network and they aren't shipping until July.

Has anyone discovered... (1, Interesting)

Dixie_Flatline (5077) | more than 10 years ago | (#9381179)

What the other 'minor changes' are?

Re:Has anyone discovered... (0, Troll)

bbuchs (551229) | more than 10 years ago | (#9381917)

Some nice interface changes in the Windows version. The title bar is more mac-like (there's a whole different set of options available if you right-click the title bar), and you can minimize the app to the tray, instead of the task bar, and you can keep iTunes on top of other windows all the time.

Also, there's an option to "Make programs recognize iTunes as WinAmp". I'm hoping I can use that in conjunction with MovableType and Zempt [zempt.com] to add a "Now Playing" feature to my weblog entries.

Re:Has anyone discovered... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9382013)

Do you have nothing better to do than post lies to trick people? I'm running iTunes 4.6.0.15 and not one of those options exists.

Re:Has anyone discovered... (0)

bbuchs (551229) | more than 10 years ago | (#9383839)

Maybe I should have been more specific. I'm running 4.6 on Windows 2000. It's all there.

Mod Parent Down -1 Bullshit (1, Informative)

Phil Wilkins (5921) | more than 10 years ago | (#9382625)

Not even particularly funny bullshit either.

Re:Has anyone discovered... (1)

martinX (672498) | more than 10 years ago | (#9384388)

Let's see ... iTunes on XP. - title bar is no different to iTunes 4.5 - no options if you right click the title bar - app is only minimised to the task bar - nothing to keep it on top of other windows - no option to "Make programs recognize iTunes as WinAmp" methinks bbuchs is having a lend of us ... or something.

Re:Has anyone discovered... (1)

bbuchs (551229) | more than 10 years ago | (#9385954)

Jeebus. Either I got ahold of some mystery installer, or my system is different than everyone else. I actually *do* have better things to do with my time, people.

Screenshots: http://homepage.mac.com/bbuchs/PhotoAlbum2.html [mac.com]

Re:Has anyone discovered... (1)

Moofie (22272) | more than 10 years ago | (#9388240)

Looks just like the option menus I used to get from MultiPlugin [aqua-soft.org] . It doesn't seem to work with iTunes 4.5 though.

Re:Has anyone discovered... (1)

Moofie (22272) | more than 10 years ago | (#9388457)

Whoops! I'm wrong! After getting rid of the stray copy in my \documents and settings directory, it's working great with iTunes 4.5. Mystery solved.

Airport Express availability? (2, Informative)

stu_coates (156061) | more than 10 years ago | (#9381316)

Oh great, iTunes 4.6 is out, but now Apple are having problems fulfilling orders for the Airport Express units that make use of the new features. I ordered 2 on Monday (from the UK Apple Store) with an estimated ship time of 3 days. Received an email this morning telling me that it's going to be mid-July before they will be available.

Anyone know a reason why? Too many orders? Problems with the unit? Announced too early?

Re:Airport Express availability? (4, Informative)

TTop (160446) | more than 10 years ago | (#9381410)

All the press stuff I saw on the release day said it would be mid-July. And when I made my order, it said expected delivery was July.

Re:Airport Express availability? (1)

stu_coates (156061) | more than 10 years ago | (#9381476)

Just checked my order confirmation, definitely says "Est Build Time" is 3 days.

Re:Airport Express availability? (0)

BigBir3d (454486) | more than 10 years ago | (#9381595)

Because Apple can not ever hold a decent delivery schedule for any new item anymore?

The list of offendors gets longer and longer:

iPods
PM G5's
PB (Al)

etc etc etc

Re:Airport Express availability? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9383753)

Did they ever ship products on time?

Re:Airport Express availability? (1)

BigBir3d (454486) | more than 10 years ago | (#9384203)

I don't know. Only paying attention since OS X came out. I would tend to doubt it though....

Re:Airport Express availability? (1)

hexghost (444585) | more than 10 years ago | (#9381626)

Perhaps you missed the big "SHIP DATE: MID-JULY" on the AE page.

Re:Airport Express availability? (3, Informative)

stu_coates (156061) | more than 10 years ago | (#9381727)

That wasn't on the page on Monday, and 3 days was the availability. Here's a copy of the email received this morning notifying me of the change in availability:

Dear Apple Store Customer,

Thank you for shopping at the Apple Store.

We received your order for an AirPort Express Base Station.
Unfortunately we cannot meet the previously estimated ship date for this product
and we now expect to ship your order in mid-July.

Your business is very important to us, and we apologise for any inconvenience
that this change may cause.

If for any reason you would like to discuss your order, please contact us at
Freephone 0800 39 10 10 or uk.consumer@euro.apple.com.

Answers to many post-sales questions can be found at the Apple Store
Customer Service website: http://promo.euro.apple.com/promo/help/uk/consumer

Kind regards,
The Apple Store

Re:Airport Express availability? (1)

Phil Wilkins (5921) | more than 10 years ago | (#9382526)

Weird, because I went to an actual physical Apple Store in Santa Monica, on monday, and they told me that they weren't being released until July. Sounds like you're the victim of an intercontinental screw-up.

Re:Airport Express availability? (1)

benntop (449447) | more than 10 years ago | (#9388168)

The three day availability is a mistake. When Airport Express was introduced they said it would be mid-july before any units were shipped.

They announced, you can buy, but no streaming tunes 'til mid-july.

And it rhymes.

Re:Airport Express availability? (1)

Yaztromo (655250) | more than 10 years ago | (#9383744)

Just feel lucky you can even order one. Here in Canada Apple updated their website to announce the AirPort Express, with the addded disclaimer that it's availability is subject to regulatory approval here in Canada.

http://www.apple.com/ca/airportexpress/ [apple.com]

I'm already running an AirPort Extreme base station, but the added ability to stream digital music to my home theatre system and the ability to have a portable wireless base station I can take with me while travelling makes the AirPort Express a pretty useful looking piece of kit.

Yaz.

Re:Airport Express availability? (2, Informative)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 10 years ago | (#9386092)

ummmm it doesnt ship till July.... guess you missed that part

So, I'm still wondering... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9381686)

when will I be able to use this in linux? I would like to use the I.M.S. but can't.

Re:So, I'm still wondering... (1)

austad (22163) | more than 10 years ago | (#9382556)

Probably never. Why would they make a competing unix platform more apple-like? They have a ton of unix geeks buying macs now.

The only reason it's available for windows is because of the huge marketshare.

Re:So, I'm still wondering... (2, Insightful)

Yaztromo (655250) | more than 10 years ago | (#9384040)

Probably never. Why would they make a competing unix platform more apple-like? They have a ton of unix geeks buying macs now.

Yup, and I'm one of them ;).

However, the original poster wasn't asking Apple to write a Window Manager or anything -- they just want iTunes for Linux.

Why would Apple want to do this? Probably because the iPod and iTunes Music Store are two of their biggest money makers, and extending their reach would only serve to increase those profits.

Unfortunately, I can't see them actually doing this. But hey, as someone who has both Linux machines and a PowerBook G4, one can hope :).

Brad BARCLAY

Re:So, I'm still wondering... (1)

Pendersempai (625351) | more than 10 years ago | (#9386955)

They actually make no money at all on the iTunes music store, and their profit margins on the iPod are lower than you'd think. They're hoping that if you buy an iPod, you'll buy a mac next.

Reverse engineering the broadcast protocol (2, Insightful)

nickovs (115935) | more than 10 years ago | (#9382313)

I look forward to having an AirPort Express to try this with, not so much to play music directly as to have a chance to reverse engineer the broadcast protocol. Apple don't seem to have published much about the protocol to be used to send music from a Mac to the Express but I can imagine that lots of people are looking forward to buying a number of the AirPort Express hardware units for distributing audio and there is almost certainly another set of people who want to know how to use iTunes 4.6 to stream audio to other computers.

Re:Reverse engineering the broadcast protocol (1)

Matts (1628) | more than 10 years ago | (#9382447)

I can guess the first part (identification of potential airports) will use Rendezvous, so that should at least be trivial to emulate.

Re:Reverse engineering the broadcast protocol (2, Informative)

crazney (194622) | more than 10 years ago | (#9382469)

It will likely just be DAAP with the abillity to push music up. For DAAP see my iTunes website [craz.net]

iTunes sharing / DAAP / TunesBrowser / GetTunes. (4, Interesting)

crazney (194622) | more than 10 years ago | (#9382450)

So I've just checked iTunes 4.6 and it appears to NOT break iTunes sharing, unlike last time [slashdot.org] .

I've updated my iTunes webpage [craz.net] to mention this.

Anyhow, one really cool feature that it seems to add for that AirTunes stuff is the ability to 'push' music upwards, rather than just pull down. This will allow one to control remote devices (what music is playing). Now I just can't wait to get my hands on an (Australian) AirPort Express [apple.com.au] device to reverse it. I can already think of a tonne of applications for this.

Re:iTunes sharing / DAAP / TunesBrowser / GetTunes (1)

grrrl (110084) | more than 10 years ago | (#9384811)

have you already ordered one?

I'm dying for one but if I have to wait til July like US ppl in the above posts have to, I'd rather wait till that pay check... unless they dont take your money untill its ready to ship???

Re:iTunes sharing / DAAP / TunesBrowser / GetTunes (1)

crazney (194622) | more than 10 years ago | (#9385138)

Nah I haven't, no spare cash for it right now.

Re:iTunes sharing / DAAP / TunesBrowser / GetTunes (3, Interesting)

rufo (126104) | more than 10 years ago | (#9386106)

A friend of mine is an Apple Sales Consultant - he's downloaded the presentation from Apple's consultant website and provided the two following tidbits of info:

First, the iTunes program is re-encoding everything into Apple Lossless, then sending that wirelessly to the Airport Express station. So if you want to get a head start, start reverse-engineering that.

Even when that's done, there's still one other small problem; apparently Apple is encrypting the music streams sent to said Airport Express stations.

He said the presentation he downloaded wasn't particularly clear on either of these two points so I could be wrong here, but it sounds very plausible to me.

A nice feature to have (2, Interesting)

foidulus (743482) | more than 10 years ago | (#9382551)

would be the ability to press a button in any app and have the track change(well, kind of how the volume up/volume down/brightness up/down works on the iBook), provided the app currently being used doesn't use the button. I know you can re-map keys, and you can script iTunes rather easily via applescript, but is there a way to associate a key with an applescript? Could save a lot of time flipping through windows.

Re:A nice feature to have (2, Informative)

tonydiesel (658999) | more than 10 years ago | (#9382943)

You should easily be able to do this. You can map some (maybe all) of the function keys to do anything you want. So, you could conceivably write an AppleScript to do what you wanted and then map the function key to it.

Re:A nice feature to have (1)

Compulawyer (318018) | more than 10 years ago | (#9383577)

Butler does this (actually, it is a 2 key combination). There are also apps that allow you to assign keys to scripts if you want to code your own. Check out macosxhints.com for tons of information on Butler (including a handy config guide!) and assigning keys.

Re:A nice feature to have (1)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 10 years ago | (#9384349)

In classic, I mapped several of my F keys to iTunes-controlling applescripts (plenty out there to download). I'm assuming X would work in much the same way.

On a side note, where's the goodies for the Windows version? Where's the visualizations, scripts, add-ons and plugins? Come on, It's been out for over 6 months now!

Re:A nice feature to have (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9384702)

SizzlingKeys4iTunes [apple.com] , yo.

Re:A nice feature to have (3, Informative)

quasipunk guy (88280) | more than 10 years ago | (#9385412)

I recommend Synergy [wincent.com] .

It works very well and is cool looking to boot

Re:A nice feature to have (2, Informative)

Gkeeper80 (71079) | more than 10 years ago | (#9389222)

Get your hands on a bluetooth enabled cellphone like the Sony Ericsson line and you can use Salling Clicker [salling.com] to change the iTunes album, song, volume, and most other things too. It will pause iTunes when you receive or make a call and can be set up to pause when the bluetooth device is out of proximity (ie when you leave). Comes with plenty of default scripts and is extensible with AppleScript. Seems like the prefect combination of devices

Compliations... (-1, Redundant)

Tigris666 (197729) | more than 10 years ago | (#9382899)

Has anyone discovered an official changelog somewhere?

They seem to have gotten rid of the "feature" where you would see a "compilations" artist at the top of your "All Artists" list (if you have "Show Browser" enabled). In the list of tracks by the "Compilation" artist would be all tracks that have the "Compilation" field set in the iTunes info.

This is all well and good, the problem is if you have a track by artist Foo, and only one track, which happens to be part of a compilation, then artist Foo did not used to show up in the All Artists list, because iTunes filed it under the compilations artist. I mean, if you knew you wanted to hear the track by artist Foo, and scrolled through your All Artists list to try and find Foo, it wouldn't be there. You would be forced to try and remember that it was on a compilation album and find it through there, or do a search for it.

For this reason, I did not like this "feature" at all. I gather a lot of other people also didn't like it, because it seems to have been removed in the new version. But like I said at the begining of this post, I would like to see some sort of official changelog so that I can verify this.

Re:Compliations... (1)

Tigris666 (197729) | more than 10 years ago | (#9383008)

My bad, this feature still exists.

To test it, I had found an artist that had just one track, changed the info so that it was part of a compilation and then checked my list of all artists to see if that artist was still there, which it was. So I thought they had removed this feature.

Turns out, you need to reload iTunes for the all artists list to be updated. So it would seem there is a bug in their bug^Wfeature.

Re:Compliations... (2, Informative)

evilskull (612292) | more than 10 years ago | (#9383319)

Just turn it off in preferences. It's called "Group compilations while browsing".

Re:Compliations... (1)

Tigris666 (197729) | more than 10 years ago | (#9383352)

Thank you!!!

Now, how do you map F-keys to an apple script without any sort of third-party software like Youpi... surely OSX has that functionality built in?

Where's The Changelog? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9383321)

Seriously. How hard could it possibly be to publish a simple changelog?
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