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Microsoft's Magical 'Myth-Busting' Tour

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the drive-offensively dept.

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Mz6 writes "Microsoft has launched its 'Get the Facts' road show -- the tech equivalent of a political battle bus -- to tour the country and convince the wavering that Redmond is as at least cheap and as secure as its open-source rival and to spread the word that Windows is better than Linux. Nick McGrath, Microsoft's head of platform strategy, described the campaign as 'a reality check we're bringing out', aiming to tackle the 'myths' surrounding Linux. Microsoft's road show will be in Edinburgh on June 17, Manchester on June 29 and Newport on July 7."

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Sad news ... Ronald Reagan, dead at 93 (-1, Offtopic)

Hot Summer Nights (771962) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402128)

I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi actor Ronald Reagan was found dead in his Bel Air home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his bombs, there's no denying his contributions to popular poverty. Truly an American icon.

Re:Sad news ... Ronald Reagan, dead at 93 (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9402156)

How did they know he was dead? He hasn't moved and smelled bad for at least 10 years.

Re:Sad news ... Ronald Reagan, dead at 93 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9402255)

Reagan is teh sux

Re:Sad news ... Ronald Reagan, dead at 93 (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9402337)

I'll bet you have at least one piercing (probably more), think ignorance is k00l, over-use the word d00d, and have a 5th grade reading level.

Awesome! (1, Funny)

pb (1020) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402137)

[stands on soapbox]

Tux for President! Penguins for software reform! Web browsers for welfare mothers! Put Bill on trial for his crimes! ...um... nevermind, got a bit carried away there. :)

So who will be the first? (4, Interesting)

MikeCapone (693319) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402239)

To organize so that people give away free Linux CDs (Knoppix?) to the people attending these events?

/. Getting better (-1, Offtopic)

Safety Cap (253500) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402141)

This story is only a few hours old, even if it has already been extensively reported elsewhere [theregister.co.uk] .

Oblig (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9402142)

"La-La-La-La-Myth-Busting-Tour!

Re:Oblig (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9402243)

Let's follow the tour, in our VW vans! Come, fellow hippies!

</sarcasm>

Re:Oblig (5, Funny)

kfg (145172) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402298)

And here's another clue for ACs,
The walrus is Steve.

KFG

Hmm ... (5, Funny)

cryms0n (52620) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402152)


Nick,

This word 'reality', I do not think it means what you think it means.

Re:Hmm ... (1)

ricochet81 (707864) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402237)

inconceivable! *lisp*

Re:Hmm ... (3, Funny)

ruronikenshin83 (661704) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402324)

And in conjunction with cryms0n's post

Nick,

This word 'secure', I do not think it means what you think it means

Re:Hmm ... (3, Funny)

aka-ed (459608) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402335)

It's a product rollout: MS Reality.

Had to be done.... (1)

Keztro (707220) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402153)

In soviet Russia, bus tour YOU!

windows cheap ? (4, Interesting)

selderrr (523988) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402158)

uhm. Me thinks we need a new definition of cheap here.

Cheap as in heineken ? Or cheap as in Duvel promo ?

Re:windows cheap ? (5, Funny)

nizo (81281) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402228)

Cheap as in "look at all the free software that gets downloaded to your computer" cheap. Or maybe cheap as in the type of shots that will be flying around here soon :-)

Cheaper AND More Secure?! (-1, Flamebait)

shatfield (199969) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402159)

Wow, they must think that we're as stupid as Bush does.

Hopefully both will find out just how smart Americans are later this year. If Bush gets reelected, you'll know Linux's chances of conquering the desktop.

I'll be waiting them at my city doors ... (-1, Offtopic)

Iceman_dvd (100478) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402160)

Time to go buy eggs to throw them!

Bit of info (5, Informative)

PatrickThomson (712694) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402165)

for the internationally-impaired, the tour is in the UK.

Ah.. (-1)

fiannaFailMan (702447) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402167)

'Fair and Balanced' reporting about the case for and against Micro$oft at last. Don't tell me, 'We report, you decide?'

Political Emulation Too Much? (5, Funny)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402171)

Geez - what's next in the political emulation attempts... negative attack ads against Linux?

Oh, wait...

Truth be told (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9402174)

We've tried switching to Linux, but have switched back because the costs of training were simply too high to justify it. Maybe it makes sense over a five or ten year span, but who is to say it'll continue to increase in viability in day-to-day use against Microsoft products?

Re:Truth be told (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9402209)

What are you going to do when Longhorn comes out, with its attendant training costs?

Re:Truth be told (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9402280)

Would it not stand to reason that the training costs and learning curve would be far more minimal simply upgrading to a newer version of an existing OS, rather than learn an entirely new setup? i'm dumbing it down a bit, but I hope you get my point.

MOD PARENT +1 REALITY CHECK (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9402217)

This is a point I repeatedly make in covering OSS vs. MS. Cost of the support network is always going to be higher with OSS, because there will always be a severe shortage of people to support it. TCO wins the day fro MS again. Not saying it's good, but you can't argue against the odds.

Re:MOD PARENT +1 REALITY CHECK (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9402293)

What's the TCO, per computer?

It may be cheaper to hire individual MCSE's but when you need to hire more, it evens out.

Re:Truth be told (3, Insightful)

ePhil_One (634771) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402268)

We've tried switching to Linux, but have switched back because the costs of training were simply too high to justify it.

I can't decide if this is a troll or if this is one of those "underground" marketing campaigns Microsoft like to pay for. Hmm, let me try:

I tries switching to Windows 2003, but switched back because the lack of standards compliance, security flaws, and high costs of training made it impossible to justify, even when MS offered to give it to me for free.

Yeah, definately underground marketing....

Re:Truth be told (1)

skurk (78980) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402304)

I'm sorry.. what? You switched before training the admins? Didn't you sort of see it coming?

Cool! (4, Funny)

mekkab (133181) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402177)

I'll burn off some Knoppix cd's and Crash the party!

(will they have booth babes?)

Re:Cool! (5, Funny)

maxbang (598632) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402218)

Eh, something tells me there'll be plenty of crashing even without your intervention...

Re:Cool! (2, Funny)

Korgrath (714211) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402219)

they will, but it'll just be Steve Ballmer in a wig...

Re:Cool! (4, Interesting)

HenrikOxUK (776979) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402316)

That's excactly what we did, but with TheOpenCD. Look here [softwarefreedomday.org] . I've got lots more copies of TheOpenCD for anyone who wants to go to the three other events.

Re:Cool! (1)

Janek Kozicki (722688) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402332)

that is really great idea. You will obviously meet a lot of people who will be grateful for your campaign for the rest of their lives!

burn thousands of CDs with knoppix and distribute them, so easy! :)

If anybody starts this initiative, with paypal to donate, I'd be glad to help.

Re:Cool! (1)

codezion (564387) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402348)

Mod parent up please. This is just the strategy the open source community need to take on. Gather your LUG and go out there to debunk this MS (or should I say Anti Linux) spin zone that they are trying to create. This would work very well if we use factual data to show the performance improvements gained using linux for server computing. Good luck and be sure to report back.

bus bumper (1)

ricochet81 (707864) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402178)

linuxites, get your linux bumper stickers ready to stick...

And in related news... (5, Funny)

Izago909 (637084) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402179)

RJR and Phillip Morris unveiled their plans for a traveling road show to promote cigarettes as an effective weight loss solution as well as a stimulant and antidepressant.

An insult to cigarettes (4, Funny)

PsiPsiStar (95676) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402271)

Say what you want about cigarettes, I never wanted to strangle Joe Camel. Clippy on the other hand...

Let's work together people (4, Funny)

interociter (587446) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402180)

If we all work together as a team, we can insure that there isn't a single moment on the tour where there isn't a "Powered by Linux" sticker visible on the tour bus.

Re:Let's work together people (2, Funny)

u-235-sentinel (594077) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402226)

If we all work together as a team, we can insure that there isn't a single moment on the tour where there isn't a "Powered by Linux" sticker visible on the tour bus.

Cruel and unusual punishment for Microsoft. I like it. You have any idea how difficult it will be to remove those things from the bus. They would have to hire a guy to check the bus at every stop just to make sure it's clean. Oh and to bring a razor so he can peel them off :-)

Re:Let's work together people (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9402266)

ooh yeah. Incite people to vandalism. That's really mature and will help your side out immensely.

Re:Let's work together people (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9402311)

Bah, no shit, I couldn't agree with you more. If Linux is so superior, then there would be no need to be sprouting out stupid ideas like tagging a bus with Linux stickers. Give me a break. Maybe next time I see someone with a Linux fish on their car or some stupid Linux license plate, I'll take my Windows stencil and a can of neon-orange spraypaint to their car.

Clowns.

Re:Let's work together people (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9402322)

Gee, that's a good idea. Promote your agenda by committing crimes.

No one cares about you, shill. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9402336)

Dear Mr. Brown. Please go get yourself a sense of humor.

What Distro (1)

o1dm0n (648449) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402186)

Of course they will compare it to "Linux" but what distro? The Red Hat releases (most prevalent in US datacenters) come out of the gate with 0 ports open and having to turn anything you want on. This is going to be a difficult sell.

Damn, it's in Britain. (4, Funny)

MsGeek (162936) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402187)

I was hoping this was going on in the US...it would be fun to attend. If only to jeer and heckle.

Hopefully some British LUGs will be on the case.

Re:Damn, it's in Britain. (-1, Troll)

mao che minh (611166) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402277)

Yea, a crack team of fat nerds crashing the preceedings after a game of D&D. That will really help the image of Linux.

Compatability checklist. (4, Interesting)

ron_ivi (607351) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402188)

Anyone have a compatability checklist of file-formats supported by Windows (standard distro) vs file-formats supported by Linux (a standard distro)?

I'm thinking stuff like .ogg, etc.

OTOH, if we want to play like msft who probably counts ".doc" and ".ppt" as file formats, we should probably count .fvwmrc, .bashrc, sendmail.cf as well. :)

Re:Compatability checklist. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9402242)

Anyone have a compatability checklist of file-formats supported by Windows (standard distro) vs file-formats supported by Linux (a standard distro)?

And then compare disk footprint of those exact same distros in the exact same configuration.

Re:Compatability checklist. (3, Insightful)

Daniel_Staal (609844) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402301)

'.doc' and '.ppt' are the two of the three (with Excel being the other) most important file-formats to support. (Actually, you could probably list each version of DOC and the rest. It's not like MS ever releases a new version that can be read in the old...)

Those are what businesses use everyday, and have thousands/millions of documents in. If your desktop platform doesn't support them, you're business doesn't work these days.

Of course, that is for desktop platforms...

Re:Compatability checklist. (1)

ky11x (668132) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402347)

I'm with you there. The grandparent does not seem to understand what "file format" means. .doc and .ppt are file formats, just proprietary. Attacking them as closed and therefore undesirable is fine, but that does not make them non-file formats.

Re:Compatability checklist. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9402330)

So what you're saying is that although Linux can't read Word documents or PowerPoint presentations 100% of the time, it can read .fvwmrc files flawlessly. I'm sure that will be good news to all the workers who routinely receive .fvwmrc files from important clients.

myth-busting? (1)

maxbang (598632) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402189)

Should be 'gut-busting', as in I busted my gut laughing.

Same (5, Funny)

andrej73 (779231) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402190)

>Redmond is as at least cheap and as secure as its open-source rival

Yes, and I am as at least rich as Bill Gates.

Re:Same (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9402288)

No, no, it's both of those, just not at the same time. (and perhaps not legally)

Sure it's better! (5, Funny)

sarah_kerrigan (764949) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402195)

Hello,

Windows is the best OS, you know. If you use it, you find it makes your mind processes improve all the time, it teaches you how to temple your nerves when something goes wrong (very often, I mean)... and it's much more beautiful (there's something magical in that funny blue screen, don't you think so?)

Muaaaaaaaaaks
--

odd. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9402196)

Maybe Microsoft should "Get the Facts." Linux is open-source after all.

ha (0, Flamebait)

CzarMike (764771) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402201)

oh well, what kind of losers go to windows propaganda shows anyways

Ah, more FUD. (5, Insightful)

Roland Piquepialle (787366) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402202)

This is a load of FUD.

Microsoft want you to believe that while, Microsoft software may be more in the purchase price department compared to open source software, it's less in implementation costs or maintenance costs, and its TCO will be lower.

This is, of course, considering the plentiful viruses, worms and other security issues, not the case in reality. The winner in this case is Open Source software.

Open Source software, of the BSD kind and the GPL kind, has totally changed the way we think about and work with software. One day, we will be able to scientifically determine what software we need to suit our needs. We will know ahead of time exactly what limits and what capabilities each piece of software has. IT managers will be able to sort through real facts based on real research, rather than a bunch of shallow articles and biased reports. Software will survive on its merits alone.

The whole industry is going to benefit by this, in a large, large way. The question one day will no longer be "Microsoft or Linux?" but "Which Open Source software should we use, and why?"

Microsoft is severely threatened and it knows it. Pay no attention to it and it will eventually go away.

Re:Ah, more FUD. (1, Funny)

inertia@yahoo.com (156602) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402259)

Microsoft is severely threatened and it knows it. Pay no attention to it and it will eventually go away.

People in Soviet Russia, however, appear to be afflicted with amusing juxtapositions of the aforementioned situation.

Re:Ah, more FUD. (2, Insightful)

sqrt(2) (786011) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402349)

I don't care how scientific it is, if a majority of all the potential employees won't have any experience with it how could it work?

Microsoft is severely threatened and it knows it. Pay no attention to it and it will eventually go away.

That's just the kind of attitude that MS needs you to take. Your open source OS is nothing more than a "neat trick" at present. If the people making OSS would start making it with usability in mind, and keeping the end user far, far away from the "under the hood" part of the OS then you wouldn't scare so many people away.

MS knows what they are doing, and it's no accident that most people use windows, because they made an OS that most people will be able to understand. From install to use you never have to touch one command prompt, Windows recognizes most devices automatically, and Windows update is as easy to use as the rest of the OS. That's what Linux needs to focus on.

Wardriving redefined (2, Funny)

ricochet81 (707864) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402204)

New definition of wardriving huh M$?

Catch a better Bus... (2, Funny)

Dareth (47614) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402220)

... and bound to be much more educational than this other one.

Magic School Bus [scholastic.com]

Besides, Ms. Frizzle be the schnizzle dizzle!

Don't discount this because they say 'Myth' (5, Insightful)

Sean80 (567340) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402221)

I think the important thing here is that, irrespective of whether or not we believe that Microsoft is spreading a little bit of mythology if its own, they're doing something that Linux really isn't capable of doing.

Every day, Microsoft employees are physically in CIO and CEO boardrooms trying to convince executives that Microsoft is a better bet than Linux. Even with a large body of evidence to the contrary, this is something Linux is missing - the financial warchest to use the media and "war buses" to convince people to the contrary.

There's no such thing as reality - there's only what you believe. The best ideas in history of gone down because nobody believed in them. The worst ideas in history have flourished because somebody sold it stronger than anybody else.

So yeah, they may be spreading their own version of the truth, but, as is obvious, I think we should be very, very wary of that truth being accepted as reality.

Re:Don't discount this because they say 'Myth' (2, Interesting)

ranolen (581431) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402302)

I must admit, yes Microsoft does has more money. But that is because they has a far better product. It is much easier to manage, you generally don't have to worry about the patches being written with a back door (yes I know linux is open source, but really, how many people can actually read the source code??? Not that many). There are many more usefull apps written for it. Need I go on???

Linux is being sold now. (5, Insightful)

Tantris (553205) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402341)

Linux does have that now. Do you think IBM, Novell/Suse, and Redhat are just sitting around? IBM has gotten a bunch of big installations of Linux done. Novell/Suse just got McDonald's to test changing over it's POS's. Microsoft is not the only one doing this anymore.

Re:Don't discount this because they say 'Myth' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9402362)

There's no such thing as reality - there's only what you believe.

I am an engineer. I most certainly do not believe this. You can believe what you want but when your beliefs contradict the laws of the universe, you will lose!

And this is exactly why Microsoft will fail. No matter that they continue to say black is white, no matter even that they manage to convince some CEOs/CIOs that black is white, when it comes right down to economics and one company that spends all its time making new products outcompetes another that spends all its time fixing Windows, white is white, black is black and Windows simply is not more reliable or more secure than Linux.

Microsoft bus tour update (5, Funny)

k4_pacific (736911) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402223)

This just in...

Apparently Microsoft's tour bus crashed because of a faulty driver.

They're right, of course. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9402229)

I agree they are as inexpensive as they are secure for all values of inexpensive = NOT.

Anyone notice... (5, Interesting)

haute_sauce (745863) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402236)

...That the tour is taking place in Europe, where they were just slammed with HEAVY antitrust fines, and not the U.S. ?

Re:Anyone notice... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9402256)

fuck them

Steve Ballmer's Campaign (2, Funny)

CHaN_316 (696929) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402253)

<style='howard dean' stance='jumping around screaming and sweating'>DEVELOPERS Developers developers developers! I want you to go to Arizona, or New Mexico, or Oklahoma, or Delaware, or South Carolina, or North Dakota. Viva New Mexico!! YIIEEHAAA!!!!!!!<style> -Steve Ballmer

Linux grass roots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9402257)

I've started my own little 'myth busting' tour. Decided this summer to get more procative at a grass roots level, locally, just converting a bunch of new people over to linux. So far I visited 3 internet cafes and got 3 positive responses, and one library and found they are already considering it.
Well, it's not much of a story I know, but getting out of the basement and actually approaching strangers and saying 'have you heard of linux?' is quite rewarding and interesting. Most of them have, and they are very hungry to know more.

Source code is their only IP? (4, Interesting)

14erCleaner (745600) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402261)

From the article:

"Our source code is our only intellectual property," said [MS spokesman] Barley

So have all of their thousands of software patents been invalidated, or are they about to donate them to the public domain?

Insane (1)

deacon (40533) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402263)

How can they possibly claim Windows costs less?

There is a new exploit every 2 weeks or so, or is it more often?

How many mail servers have to be taken down, viruses cleaned, etc. etc., every month, using how many people-hours of wasted time?

Thousands? Millions?

If they wanted to claim that Windows is easier to use, or more compatible, or something, then I could disagree without laughing out loud, but cheaper and more secure?

Give me a farking break!

If the bus was running Windows... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9402270)

It'll crash before it actually gets anywhere

Favorite part from website (2, Funny)

nizo (81281) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402284)

"Server OS Licensing & Support Cost Comparison -- Windows Server 2003, Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3, and Novell/SUSE Linux 8"


Read the report (2.12 MB Microsoft Word file)

Ironically if it wasn't for the pile of open source tools that can read that on my harddrive right now, I would have to go spend about $600 just to read this file (think OS+Office+new machine to run the OS).

Re:Favorite part from website (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9402364)

its called WordPad

its installed by default (so you dont have to go download 1000 libraries and then compile them -- after getting all the shit they need too) and its included in the install

Linux - its free if youre time costs nothing!

I'd believe them if (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9402291)

If I could buy a full, legal copy of Windows for $49.95, then I might believe them.

I'm waiting for Gates to justify his pricing to home users and consumers.

who are they trying to convince (2, Interesting)

bman08 (239376) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402297)

If I was one of those guys who doesn't know there's anything but windows (who's to say I'm not?). This van strategy, like a lot of recent MS plans, would only serve to remind me that there is competition. Why would the undisputed leader of the software world need a van tour? Because they're afraid of something, i'd think.

Irrelevantly about beer instead of freedom... (3, Insightful)

Kazoo the Clown (644526) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402299)

Makes it easy to critique a straw opponent when you redefine the terms to mean what you want them to mean. Microsoft defines "free" as in "beer" and anyone who knows much of anything about Linux knows the "free" aspect of Linux that represents the most value, is the "freedom" aspect of the OS, not the purchase cost.

As long as Microsoft is comparing based on cost, they either just don't get it, or think they can bamboozle their audience.

On the other hand, anyone who is interested in a comparison based on the "free"dom-ness of the two OSes, will find the Microsoft presentation a complete non-sequitur.

short yellow bus (5, Funny)

elviscious (681985) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402303)

I bet that their battle bus is really just one of those short yellow buses.

Now we all know.... (1)

jwcorder (776512) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402307)

that everyone here would go if it was coming to city near you. Yes I am talking about you Mr. Mozilla user...ah ha...and you OS X scripter...whoop whoop...and especially you Unix geek...seriously though, I understand the point here. MS is driving the Corporate bus so to speak in a land where it probably can stand to (gasp!) improve market share.

But if I was the big MS, in wake of the antitrust ruling, I would just pull the plug on EU Windows support instead of paying the fine. Say screw it, then drive the bus up their ass! WHAHAHAHAHA!

Gotta love... (2, Funny)

Otter (3800) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402312)

It's a term that didn't sit well with other open-sourcers. Novell's technical director, Steve Gaines, said: "There's a huge amount of passion around open source... It's far more positive; it's 'let's create alternatives' not 'let's trash something someone else has done'."

Definitely gotta love...

A) Novell buys a bunch of Linux companies and suddenly their executive is the authority on what open-source "is".

B) Nawwww. Oh, no, there's never any 'let's trash something someone else has done'! Perish the thought!

Speaking of which, Microsoft sucks, SCO sucks, Sun sucks, Apple sucks. Also: KDE sucks, GNOME sucks, Debian sucks, Red Hat sucks, 2.4 kernels suck, vi sucks, emacs sucks, Cowboy Neal sucks.

Re:Gotta love... (4, Funny)

WhiteWolf666 (145211) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402352)

Don't worry....

You suck too

Let's All Hop on Board the FUD Bus! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9402314)

As far as I'm concerned, they might as well drive around a bus that had painted on the side:

"Please don't fear us!
The is much uncertainty with Linux!
There is no reason to doubt our capabilities!"

Then people wouldn't have to sit though their stupid OpenOffice.org Presentation of the value of Microsoft products.

Ahhh... the smell of burning Microsoft is in the air!

Windows Users Have Fewer Vulnerabilities. (2, Funny)

Tranzig (786710) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402315)

Hey, I'm invulnerable to those jedi mind tricks!

Microsoft (4, Interesting)

Rick and Roll (672077) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402325)

Well, this should come as no surprise.

If things continue as they are, this would only be a small obstacle for Linux and other alternatives.

I think, however, that Microsoft is just using as much marketing as they can to hold of Linux until Longhorn can come out. With .NET's browser apps, if they can just keep most of their current customers for the time being and transition them over to this, lock-in is assured.

Linux really needs a better graphics toolkit and GUI framework. Otherwise, people will be going with XAML a lot of the time. Hopefully something can be done about it. Hardware support is part of the problem, but the glitches in toolkits such as GTK+ and Mozilla XUL are also a big part of the problem. QT is crystal clear and lightning fast, but because of its licensing Sun isn't promoting a PLAF for QT. Too bad.

I think Trolltech should give serious consideration to the idea of putting QT under the LGPL. It would allow their platform to grow a lot, and they could start selling development tools and maybe extra controls instead.

In any case, Microsoft won't switch me, nor a lot of Linux devs over to Longhorn. I could see them making my job tough though.

I ordered a couple copies... (2, Funny)

holt (86624) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402327)

I ordered a couple copies of the "Windows vs Linux Evaluation Kit".

One for "For Gondor Solutions". My job title in that company is Aragorn.

Another for "Mordor (the Land of Shadow) Development". My job title in that one is Sauron.

I wonder if they'll notice?

Edinburgh, Manchester, Newport (1)

Call Me Black Cloud (616282) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402328)


This tour isn't going be much of a success. Who'll be able to find the demonstrations? I don't even know what state those cities are in!

Fewer Vulnerabilities (1)

Rodrin (729362) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402334)

"Windows users have fewer vulnerabilities" it says is big letters and then under it: After collecting a year's worth of vulnerability data, Forrester analyzed Windows and four key Linux distributors on key metrics of responsiveness to vulnerabilities, severity of vulnerabilities, and thoroughness in fixing flaws. Not once to they mention how often or how many windows has. It seems like every month there is at least two. Sure M$ fixes them quick, but linux has maybe 2 or 3 in a 6 month period that are serious.

Debunking a few of the myths surrounding Linux (3, Funny)

dasmegabyte (267018) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402338)

MYTH 1) Linux is actually a pleisiosaur from the cretatious period living in a lake in Scotland.

FACT: Linux is an operating system kernel.

MYTH 2) In Mandarin Chinese, the phrase GNU/Linux, loosely translated, means "Bit the wax tadpole."

FACT: Linux is developed by hard working, intelligent programmers who submit their source code to a community repository, where fans of the operating system can retreive, adapt, and download the kernel at their leisure.

MYTH 3) In 1953, a saucer full of Linux crashed landed on a farm in Roswell, New Mexico.

FACT: Linux is used in solutions from many of the top software firms around the world, including IBM and Sun Microsystems. Because of its open codebase, it is easy to adapt to just about any hardware configuration without costly customizations.

MYTH 4) Douching with Linux directly after sex prevents pregnancy and/or veneral disease.

FACT: Linux installations make up as much as five percent of the desktop computers in active use, and as much as 80% of webservers.

MYTH 5) Linux is a quality server operating system but still kind of a shoddy platform for everyday usage due to a number of conflicting desktop standards, graphical toolkits and a tireless devotion to supporting underpowered legacy systems rather than creating a single, modern standard. Attempts to critique this obvious shortcoming are met with an intensely emotional tirade that neither solves the inherent problem nor serves to edify the critic.

FACT: Actually, this is entirely true.

how are those figures fudged? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9402342)

http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/facts/default.asp
Win2003 less then RedHat E3 or Suse8?
was it per copy or per seat?
per copy i can beleive

i find it hard to believe that windows won on the per seat.

http://www.redhat.com/apps/commerce/rhel/es/
$3 50 - $1000 (no seat limit?)

http://www.pricewatch.com/
winServer 2003 5 seats - $150
winServer 2003 25 seats - $1150

so take a small business 100 machines plus servers.

windows - $4600 per server
redhat - $1000 total (for the uber delux edition, just to make it more fair)

Where's Apple? (1, Insightful)

kakos (610660) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402344)

To show that OS X is better than Windows AND Linux.

OKay, so what. (1)

Mad Ogre (564694) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402351)

Let's say MS is right and it IS better than Linux. (Don't kill me, just play a long for a minute) Let's say that Windows is like a brand new Mercedes Benz, and that Linux is like an old Jeep CJ7. The Benz is going to cost you an arm and a leg... and eventually it's going to have problems and those problems can be very expensive as well. The old Jeep was like given to you... cost you nothing. Yet it can do everything the Benz can do... carry you and your stuff around just fine. Not as flashy as the Benz, but it works. If you need things for it, they are cheap and plenty and can be found in most junk yards and you can fix it yourself. When it comes down to serious work... I'm taking the jeep. Not only that, but an old Jeep is still cooler to gearheads than a new Merc.

Why is this so damn difficult to figure out? (1)

twigles (756194) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402354)

The main reason, or at least one of them, that I believe BSD/Linux to kick M$'s ass all over the security arena is the AMOUNT OF CODE. Very simple concept! More lines of code = more mistakes. Mistakes very often = vulnerability. What the bloody hell is a GUI doing on a server anyway? Why does my server have a web browser?

The massive and monolithic nature of Windows and the way everything ties together makes it a horrible server OS and tells me that it will never get better until they scrap their PoS and start over. It's cheaper to just spread marketing FUD and hire lots of lawyers though ....

Refreshments (2, Funny)

the_flatlander (694162) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402360)

Free Advice: If you attend, and they offer you something to drink, like Kool-Aid(TM), just say "No, thanks" and keep moving.

The Flatlander

Too easy (1)

div_2n (525075) | more than 10 years ago | (#9402365)

This is so easy to make a joke about, I am actually having difficulty doing so.
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