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Sneak Peek at Paul Allen's Sci-Fi Museum

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the through-the-lurking-glass dept.

Sci-Fi 164

Comte writes "About three hundred charter members, local sci-fi cognoscenti and assorted geeks got a sneak peek last night of Paul Allen's $22 mm Science Fiction Museum prior to its official grand opening this Friday." Comte peeked, and contributes his impressions of the museum -- read on below to see what it's like. If you're in Seattle with a few hours, he says it's worth dropping in. (The rest of the text is his.)

The Museum, incorporated into Allen's "Experience Music Project" in the Frank Gehry-designed "Blob" at the foot of the Space Needle is divided into several sections, with "Homeworld" taking up the bulk of the mid-level. This exhibit includes "The Sci-Fi Hall Of Fame," along with a nifty timeline of s/f related events from history; a display system that projects stunning 3-D representations of planets onto a globular surface; "Not So Weird Science," focusing on how fiction has influenced scientific and technological innovation; and my personal favorite, "The Science Fiction Community," displaying examples of fan-fic, 'zines, and memorabilia that will have the most rabid s/f geek drooling in admiration: the legendary Forrest J. Ackerman's first published letter to Amazing Stories back in the 1930's (Ackerman is listed as a member of SFM's Advisary Board, along with other notables such as Arthur C. Clarke, Harlan Ellison, Ray Bradbury & Greg Bear, just to name a few), a first-draft manuscript by Theodore Sturgeon, Ellison's Smith Corona manual typewriter, a signed, first-edition copy of Aldus Huxley's "Brave New World," the first Hugo Award presented to Ackerman in 1953, and other juicy items (many of which presumably come from Ackerman's personal collection).

One floor down are the other exhibits. "Fantastic Voyages" includes the much anticipated "Space Dock," a virtual representation of famous sci-fi spaceships (although a number of notable examples are missing: there's no TV Jupiter II, none of the ships from the "Alien" series, only one example from the "Star Trek" franchise, and no "Liberator," Eagles or TARDIS -- the Brits being generally underrepresented throughout the Museum), as well as the bulk of the prop and costume displays. Although this area tends to be rather heavy on TV/film memorabilia, there are still some choice items here: a model of the U.S. Capital dome used by Ray Harryhausen in "Earth Versus The Flying Saucers," original models from "Land Of The Giants," "Alien," "Close Encounters," the TV "Buck Rogers," "ET," and "Trek," along with a literal arsenal of weapons, including original phasers, a LIS blaster from Season One, a crossbow used by Jane Fonda in "Barbarella," and an original 1930's-era raygun from the Buck Rogers serials, among many others.

This is followed by perhaps the most disappointing section, "Brave New Worlds," encompassing the "Cities of Tomorrow" display, a CGI-driven exhibit similar to "Space Dock," but which only shows environments from three sources: a rather whimsical view of life in the 4th millenium courtesy of "The Jetson's," Ridley Scott's 21st-Century Los Angeles from "Blade Runner" (look for Dolly The Sheep on one of the rooftops!), and depictions from "The Matrix." This is followed by "Experimental Societies," basically just a display of the usual genre literature, and "Out Of The Ashes," currently limited to a few costume pieces from the 1968 "Planet Of The Apes."

The final section: "Them!" is pretty much what you'd expect -- a representation of aliens exclusively from TV/film media. The Queen Alien is pretty impressive up close, and there's a funny interplay set up between "Robbie The Robot" and "LIS's" B-9 using cleverly interspliced voice clips. At the end is a small gallery of sci-fi artwork, mostly inconsequential book-cover art, but with several pieces from acknowledged masters such as Chesley Bonestell, Frank R. Paul, and the real treat -- practically the entire collection of artwork produced by Fred Freeman and Rolf Klep for Werner von Braun's 1953 "Colliers" magazine series.

Overall, I'd say if you're interested in seeing a pretty good collection of items that encompasses more than just a "Planet Hollywood" style display of film memorabilia, then this is probably worth the $12.95 admission if you're in the neighborhood, particularly if you have at least two hours to spend going through the interactive exhibits. I'm not totally convinced it's worth the $40 to cough up for the annual membership, however, in speaking with one of the Museum staff, I was informed that some of the exhibits will change over time, with new items from Allen's extensive collection being swapped in and out. Otherwise, most of the displays are considered "permanent," although it seems pretty clear at least some of them can be replaced -- and in the case of "Brave New Worlds," probably should.

Photography is prohibited in the Museum (and the lighting level was too low for me to sneak any decent shots with my Zire 71), but if you want to take a gander at some press snaps of the exhibits, check out the Seattle Times "Inside" section.


Thanks to comte for the report.

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Pictures (5, Informative)

strictnein (318940) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446353)

Took me a while to find them...

Here [nwsource.com] (without the annoying popup)

After seeing those... I'm disappointed to say the least.

Dupe Dupe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9446470)

I I Smell Smell A A Dupe Dupe

Re:Pictures (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9446699)

Took you a while to find them?
You can't drive one mile though seattle with out seeing signs pointing to the Seattle Center and then there always that big f**king building called the Space Needle wich sort of gives away it location.

Frist PSot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9446361)

HOLY SHIT ITS FIRST POOST!..

Re:Frist PSot (1)

ircbuddy (732046) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446382)

*cumshot*

Getting it over with- Seattle jokes (5, Funny)

tedtimmons (97599) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446362)

Okay, I'm going to save some time (and replies) on this thread and post a whole bunch of Seattle jokes. Perhaps that will cause the rest of this thread to avoid the obvious rain jokes and concentrate on more serious things, like hot grits and Natalie Portman.

----

A newcomer to Seattle arrives on a rainy day. She gets up the next day and it's raining. It also rains the day after that, and the day after that. She goes out to lunch and sees a young kid and, out of despair, asks, "Hey, kid, does it ever stop raining around here?" The kid says, "How do I know? I'm only 6."

----

"I can't believe it," said the tourist. "I've been here an entire week and it's done nothing but rain. When do you have summer here?" "Well, that's hard to say," replied the local. "Last year, it was on a Wednesday." ----

A curious fellow died one day and found himself in limbo waiting in a long, long line for judgment. As he stood there, he noticed that some souls were allowed to march right through the gates of heaven. Others were led over to Satan, who threw them into a lake of fire. Every so often, instead of hurling a poor soul into the fire, Satan would toss him or her to one side.

After watching Satan do this several times, the fellow's curiosity got the better of him. He strolled over and tapped the devil on the shoulder.

"Excuse me, there, Your Darkness," he said. "I'm waiting in line for judgment, and I couldn't help wondering why you are tossing some people aside instead of flinging them into the fires of hell with the others?"

"Ah," Satan said with a grin. "Those are from Seattle. They're too wet to burn."

----

A Californian, a Texan and a man from Seattle meet in a bar. They are good friends and are chatting away, when suddenly, the Californian grabs a bottle of fine chardonnay, throws it up in the air, and shoots it coming back down.

The Seattle guy and the Texan are naturally amazed! They say, "Now why the heck would you do a thing like that?" they ask. He replies, "Well, there's a lot of wine where I come from, so it's not really as important to me." The Texan says, "OK, whatever."

About 5 minutes later, the Texan grabs a bottle of fine tequilla, throws it up in the air, and shoots it coming back down. The Californian and the Seattle guy say, "Lemme guess. There's a lot of tequilla where you come from, so it does't mean that much to you." Tex says, "Correct."

About 3 minutes later, the Seattle guy finishes off his beer, throws the bottle up in the air, pulls out his gun and shoots the Californian, and finally catches the bottle coming back down. The Texan is totally stunned! "Now what in heck made you do that?!?!? You're probably going to be put in prison and executed!!!"

The Seattle guy says, "Well there's a lot of Californians where I come from, and I thought I would recycle the bottle."

Re:Getting it over with- Seattle jokes (3, Funny)

wankledot (712148) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446455)

Bite me [weather.com]

Re:Getting it over with- Seattle jokes (4, Funny)

Mr. Sketch (111112) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446576)

Wow, you hacked weather.com, impressive. Unfortunately, all the people from Seattle will now be getting the wrong weather.

Re:Getting it over with- Seattle jokes (1)

Patrick (530) | more than 10 years ago | (#9447041)

Bite me

If only it were mid-June all year [weather.com] .

Re:Getting it over with- Seattle jokes (1)

Comte (138075) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446543)

Ted,

I've been trying to remember that bar joke for AGES! Thx!

offtopic, mod parent down. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9446555)

No, to save time and replies, you would do the exact opposite and not post this completely off-topic shit.

"Hey, the next Microsoft story that pops up, I think I'll post a whole load of 'Yo mommas so fat...' jokes, since Microsoft is in America, and Americans are so damn fat."...

Funny; maybe,
Offtopic; definitely.

Keep talking about the rain please! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9446618)

Yeah, right, it rains a lot... raining right now even.. inside!

Actually, its a beautiful day, as it will be all week. And the mountain is out in all her glory. We tell people it rains a lot so you all will stay the heck where you are! The real Seattle is our own little secret. So please! Keep talking about the rain!

Re:Getting it over with- Seattle jokes (2, Interesting)

alwaystheretrading (750171) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446627)

"Well there's a lot of Californians where I come from, and I thought I would recycle the bottle."

This joke is borrowed from those of us in Oregon. They don't recycle bottles in Washington, whereas Oregon pioneered the bottle bill.

Re:Getting it over with- Seattle jokes (2, Informative)

harlows_monkeys (106428) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446728)

Here are some US cities with near the same (within 10%) or more annual rainfall than Seattle: Albany, Atlanta, Atlantic City, Baltimore, Baton Roughe, Birmingham, Boston, Bridgeport, Buffalo, Charleston, Charleston, Charlotte, Cleveland, Columbia, Columbus, Concord, Grand Rapids, Hartford, Houston, Indianapolis, Jackson, Jacksonville, Juneau, Knoxville, Lexinton, Little Rock, Louisville, Memphis, Miami, Mobile, Montgomery, Mt. Washington, Nashville, Newark, New Orleans, New York, Norfolk, Pliladelphia, Pittsburgh, Portland (both of them), Providence, Raleigh, Richmond, Savannah, Tampa, Tulsa, Washington, Wilmington.

Seattle does have a lot of precipitation days: 158 per year, but Buffalo has more (169) and Cleveland has 156.

A lot of the cities with more rain than Seattle (some up to 50% more) only have about 100 precipitation days a year, so they rain is much more intense. So why is Seattle the city with the rain reputation?

My guess is that because rain is about the worst thing that happens here. Sure, Buffalo gets more rain, but they also got a ton of snow and crap like that, so they problaby don't notice that they also live in a rainy place.

Re:Getting it over with- Seattle jokes (2, Funny)

Comte (138075) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446778)

Dang it, Harlows! You're spilling the beans on our carefully guarded secret!

Re:Getting it over with- Seattle jokes (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9447083)

Hrm.. Well I can't comment on Seattle, but I can comment on Vancouver (geographically speaking, they're daaaamn close to each other).

Vancouver has a reputation for rain but that's not because it rains more over the year than anywhere else. Instead, it's because when winter comes around, there's one kind of weather: dreary, miserable and cloudy. It rains during that time (not always), but what really sticks with people is the entire lack-of-sunshine.

So, yea, it isn't really the rain, it's the simple fact that winter is 4 months of shitty overcast skies with a fair amount of light rain. People just sum that up as 'rainy'.

Re:Getting it over with- Seattle jokes (1)

shadowcabbit (466253) | more than 10 years ago | (#9447133)

Seattle does have a lot of precipitation days: 158 per year, but Buffalo has more (169) and Cleveland has 156.

"Precipitation" is not "rain". In Buffalo and Cleveland, 90 of those days of precipitation occur in winter. Recall that in winter, precipitation freezes, becoming snow.

Snow can be plowed, moved, ski'd/snowboarded/sledded upon, thrown, made into snow men/women/angels/anatomical reference dummies, and if you're really desperate, eaten (but stay away from yellow snow).

Rain falls. That's it. It's not nearly half as much fun as snow. So, I suppose you Seattle people have to make your own fun. Which explains the caffeine jones.

Re:Getting it over with- Seattle jokes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9446772)

http://www.weather.com/weather/local/USWA0395?from =search_city

FYI Buffalo has more annual rain than seattle

Trek Models in Drydock? (1)

cerebralsugar (203167) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446371)

I wonder what Star Trek model is represented in DryDock? I'm hoping for the NCC-1701-A, that was an amazing model, and in the first movie, it was really painted out of this world, with also those varying applications of laquer all over the hull. Does anyone know what happened to this model?

Imagine if they had the original HAL ship from Space 2001??? I bet that would take up the whole museum ... I read it's 60 feet long!

Re:Trek Models in Drydock? (3, Interesting)

cmowire (254489) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446411)

All of the props and whatnot for 2001 were destroyed, upon orders from Kubrick, who didn't want to see any sequels made, ever.

Didn't stop 2010 from happening, mind you.

Re:Trek Models in Drydock? (1)

norkakn (102380) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446524)

the style of 2010 was so radically different i'm not really sure it could be called a sequel

Re:Trek Models in Drydock? (2, Informative)

Chairboy (88841) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446795)

Actually, it wasn't sequels he was worried about, he didn't want to see the models recycled into cheapo movies. It was common for a studio to recycle spaceships that were originally built for a lot of money by either flying them upside down, adding a fin, or, and I'm not making this up, backwards.

Kubrick was fine with 2010, it was crap he wanted to avoid.

Re:Trek Models in Drydock? (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446979)

Or even using ships from one race of baddies for another race of baddies because they lost the model. But gee, no one would do that! ;^P

Re:Trek Models in Drydock? (1)

fiannaFailMan (702447) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446520)

There's something about those models that make the ship look bigger and more real than the CGI stuff from TNG. It wasn't until Star Trek First Contact that I once again got the feel of a really big starship.

Re:Trek Models in Drydock? (1)

drkhwk (41862) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446677)

There's something about those models that make the ship look bigger and more real than the CGI stuff from TNG.

The models in TNG did not use CGI.

Re:Trek Models in Drydock? (2, Informative)

Comte (138075) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446570)

Sorry, it's the TOS 1701. "Discover" from "2001: A Space Odyssey" is in the dock as well (to respond to a query below), but KIM ALL these are done in CGI, so it really wasn't a problem to recreate models that no longer exist. My guess about the absence of certain ships is that it probably has more to do with licensing issues than anything else.

Sponsored the Plane Flight (3, Interesting)

artlu (265391) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446374)

Maybe this has to do with Paul Allen sponsoring the space flight. He seems to be spending a lot of money these days like most really rich people.. maybe he would be interested in throwing some my way for GroupShares Inc. [groupshares.com] .. but then again it is Microsoft money.
Aj

WOW!! how very not interesting (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9446380)

honestly, who -- i mean WHO cares a flying fuck about 98% of slashdot stories? (rob malda is a fag). I thought slashdot was news for turds? (rob malda is a fag). Since when has it become a news for fags website?

Brin, Butler, others on NPR Friday 6/18 (5, Interesting)

StefanJ (88986) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446387)

Ira Flatow's "Science Friday" will broadcast from the museum on Friday 6/18.

Paul Allen, David Brin, Octavia Butler and others will be interviewed in the first hour.

The second hour will be about Mars, factual and science fictional.

Here is NPR's information page:

http://www.sciencefriday.com/pages/2004/Jun/hour1_ 061804.html [sciencefriday.com]

Stefan Jones

Re:Brin, Butler, others on NPR Friday 6/18 (1)

sTalking_Goat (670565) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446663)

thanks for the info. I don't usually catch Science Friday unless i hear about the topic beforehand.

I'm a big Octavia Butler fan. I'm curious as to what she's been up to lately.

He will never match... (1)

aka-ed (459608) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446389)

The Ackermansion! [seeing-stars.com]

As someone who lives NEAR Seattle (3, Interesting)

BluedemonX (198949) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446401)

How soon can I expect to see sales taxes in Washington State go up to pay for this useless monstrosity?

I find it highly ironic that although the man has more money than God, Paul Allen still manages to convince the State to pass on the cost of his narcissistic pet projects on to the rest of us.

Re:As someone who lives NEAR Seattle (1)

Torinaga-Sama (189890) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446558)

While I agree with you on the stadium thing, I think he foot the bill for this one. I am happy he did.

And if you want to live in a city devoid of any culture I am sure we could look hard enough and find one. Detroit?

Re:As someone who lives NEAR Seattle (1)

Comte (138075) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446591)

I think this time, we're off the hook, as SFAIK, there isn't any public sector investment in SFM.

Re:As someone who lives NEAR Seattle (1)

BluedemonX (198949) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446734)

RE: I think this time, we're off the hook, as SFAIK, there isn't any public sector investment in SFM.

I think what you mean to say is, I think this time, we're off the hook, as SFAIK, there isn't any public sector investment in SFM.... YET.

By the way, if you want to refer to NFL football and a bunch of plastic toys from a nerd garage sale as "culture" go right ahead. And people from this area wonder why people don't think of the Pacific Northwest as cultured. Here's a hint. Wear a CLEAN flannel lumberjack shirt to the opera.

Re:As someone who lives NEAR Seattle (2, Informative)

Comte (138075) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446830)

Hey, we got culture here in the Upper Left Hand! World-class symphony orchestras, opera companies, and Asian Art museums, plus more live theatre than you can shake a rain-sodden stick at.

None of which have any connection to Paul Allen, BTW.

Re:As someone who lives NEAR Seattle (1)

Torinaga-Sama (189890) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446583)

I ALWAYS miss the subjects when there aren't very many posts.

Re:As someone who lives NEAR Seattle (1)

ainsoph (2216) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446718)

I'm still waiting for the streetcar.

As someone who works along the Streetcar route, I have watched his Vulcan Ventures people come in and bribe all the businesses along the way.

He is a work of art...

Re:As someone who lives NEAR Seattle (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9446817)

You must be one of those whiners who only makes it to the city for WTO protests.

Fuck you. I spent a very enjoyable day in EMP (and could have spent longer if my GF wasn't telling me to hurry) when I visited Seattle. Everywhere has museums about stuff I learned in school anyway. Only Seattle has museums devoted to popular music and sci fi.

What it cost in sales tax it easily recovers in tourism dollars.

Re:As someone who lives NEAR Seattle (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9447163)

Give the man a break. He funded pretty much all of these two projects. He also gave the UW a new CSE building, which the State would have had to fund on it's own.

And I'm sorry to hear live in that suburban hell that surrounds Seattle.

Where's the Kzinti (3, Interesting)

HotNeedleOfInquiry (598897) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446414)

I can't believe that there's nothing on Pohl Anderson, Ringworld or Kzinti. This is the best escape SiFi ever written. It must be fixed.

Re:Where's the Kzinti (1)

cpt kangarooski (3773) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446685)

I've never read "Escape from Pohl Anderson." Is he a terrific bore at parties or something?

Re:Where's the Kzinti (3, Informative)

GileadGreene (539584) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446707)

Uh, you seem a little confused on names. Do you mean Frederik Pohl, or Poul Anderson (both quite distinctly different authors)? Or were you really trying to name Larry Niven - the guy who wrote Ringworld and the Known Space stuff (including the Man-Kzin wars) - and just totally confused about who authored what?

Re:Where's the Kzinti (1)

HotNeedleOfInquiry (598897) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446986)

I really meant Larry Niven. I don't know why I was thinking about Poul Anderson, except that he's good as well and not mentioned.

To further the error, I googled "Pohl Anderson", got a zillion hits and assumed I spelled it right.

Alas, what's a karma whore to do?

Re:Where's the Kzinti ? (1)

JustAnotherReader (470464) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446800)

I can't believe that there's nothing on Pohl Anderson, Ringworld or Kzinti. This is the best escape SiFi ever written. It must be fixed.

This was close to my thought. In my mind, Science Fiction is a WRITTEN art form. But I guess a museum of books would be called a "library", not a museum.

But imagine a set of displays that shows common Sci Fi themes from the point of view of various authors. Or perhaps a display showing what sci-fi predictions have (or havn't) come true. Yes, it's difficult demonstrate thoughts from a set of books that your audience may or may not have read. But Science Fiction is so much more then Start Trek, Aliens, and Terminator.

Re:Where's the Kzinti ? (1)

Comte (138075) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446874)

"Or perhaps a display showing what sci-fi predictions have (or havn't) come true" -- this in fact is the point of the "Not So Weird Science" exhibit, in addition to a smaller exhibit I failed to mention, "Science Fiction And Society", which explores how s/f examines and shapes our lives.

And I should point out that the upper section of the Museum is VERY literature oriented.

Re:Where's the Kzinti (1)

Bilestoad (60385) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446838)

I'm aware of his work!

Nerd Trap. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9446910)

Yeah, I'm busted. Thrice.

I laughed uproariously (muggles/mundanes couldn't grasp the hilarity of the statement) when I first saw it on the Simpsons(1),
I "got it" instantly when I read your ontopic and funny post(2),
and now I'm replying to you on /.(3).

Good job.

No. 9? (1)

lukateake (619282) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446419)

What movie is picture No. 9 from?

Re:No. 9? (2, Informative)

filmguru (710596) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446469)

Um... are you putting me on?

If you're refering to the pics in the seattlepi.com site, number nine is the car from the film Blade Runner (as it clearly states in the caption to the right).

Re:No. 9? (1)

Naut (211748) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446486)

Plan 9 from outerspace , think it was from ed wood .

RTFC (1)

amstrad (60839) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446530)

You mean this picture #9 [nwsource.com] ?

The one with the caption that reads "The Spinner flying car from the movie "Blade Runner" (1982) hangs in the third-floor special events area."?

No Doctor Who? No Farscape? (3, Interesting)

spectecjr (31235) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446420)

Doctor Who - the longest running Sci Fi series ever.

Farscape - possibly one of the best Sci Fi series ever.

And NEITHER are represented in the museum, it seems.

What kind of crack are they smoking?

Oh right - silly me - if it ain't Robby the Effing Robot or Captain Kirk and Baldy Picard, it ain't Sci Fi.

Re:No Doctor Who? No Farscape? (3, Insightful)

Comte (138075) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446634)

Actually, Moya DOES appear in the "Space Dock" exhibit, and there are a couple of minor references to "Doctor Who" scattered throughout, but again the emphasis on U.S. s/f may simply be due to (as I stated in an earlier post) issues with licensing rights, or because memorabilia from these series aren't readily available. After all, it doesn't matter how much $$ Allen has, if there aren't items to be purchased, even he can't do much about it.

Re:No Doctor Who? No Farscape? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9446889)

Moya is in SpaceDock and so is the Nostromo from the first Alien. Watching the Moya footage has inspired me to chack out Farscape.

Re:No Doctor Who? No Farscape? (1)

Comte (138075) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446916)

I don't remember seeing "Nostromo", but then I did have the relatively minor distinction of being the first person to "crash" one of the Museum's consoles while I was scrolling through the Dock, so perhaps I just didn't get far enough into it!

No duh. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9446989)

Allow me to help you out. It's a Science Fiction Museum, not a sci-fi musueum.

There is a difference, glaringly apparent to SF fen, yet imperceptible to those who nurse at the Glass Teat.

You were correct in your assessment of Star Trek as sci-fi. It sure as hell ain't Science Fiction, which is a form of literature.

(Anyone mentioning Star Trek books written by anyone other than James Blish will be summarily and unceremoniously put out the airlock.)

Re:No duh. (1)

spectecjr (31235) | more than 10 years ago | (#9447162)

Allow me to help you out. It's a Science Fiction Museum, not a sci-fi musueum.

There is a difference, glaringly apparent to SF fen, yet imperceptible to those who nurse at the Glass Teat.


Ah yes. That difference is apparently that there are people who are not pedantically attached to unabbreviated words - such as me, who call it "SciFi" - and there are people who ARE pedantically attached to unabbreviated words, who also deride television as being a "Glass Teat". One wonders if they've ever sucked on a real teat to make the comparison. (Probably not).

You were correct in your assessment of Star Trek as sci-fi. It sure as hell ain't Science Fiction, which is a form of literature.


Science Fiction is NOT a form of literature. It's a genre of storytelling. Literature is only one single form of storytelling.

The Science Fiction museum, for example, features Robocop, Aliens, Terminators.... which certainly don't fit into your narrow worldview of what Sci Fi is.

By the way, anyone who calls themselves "fen", or calls others "mundanes", or who writes "filk" deserves to be taken out into the "forbidden zone", and disemboweled slowly using Ambrose Bierce's dictionary.

redhat (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9446442)

I FUCKING HATE REDHAT.

Who needs a sneek peek? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9446444)

I just need to imagine hundreds of CowboyNeal lookalikes snorting and making Prof. Frink noises and i'm halfway there.

MOD PARENT UP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9446540)

MOD PARENT UP
Is he really that far off from the truth????

Re:Who needs a sneek peek? (1)

Comte (138075) | more than 10 years ago | (#9447010)

Actually, think more along the lines of lots of Harry Knowles and Mary Katherine Gallagher clones, convention costume fetishists, and a surprisingly large number of elderly Richard Attenborough lookalikes, and you'd be even closer to the truth!

And NO, I don't fit into ANY of those categories!

OH DEAR GOD! (5, Funny)

clandaith (187570) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446453)

They took the action figures [nwsource.com] out of their original packaging!?!?!?!

Re:OH DEAR GOD! (1)

Comte (138075) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446660)

But of course, that just increases the value of the action figures IOP that Paul STILL owns!

Re:OH DEAR GOD! (3, Insightful)

kfg (145172) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446673)

A friend of mine who knows my fondness for 1950s and 60s Italian racing cars recently showed up at my door bearing gifts, two Hot Wheels cars, a 1961 Ferrari 156 F1 and a 1967 Ferrari P4, that he just happened to see while grocery shopping and thought I'd like them.

"Kewl!", says I, and start to open them.

"What are you doing!?", says he.

"Ummmmmmm, I'm opening them?", I respond.

"What for?", he asks with a slightly incredulous look on his face.

"So I can spend the next hour or two pushing them around my desk while making 'Vroom, vroom' noises with a big smile on my face. Thank you. You made today worth living."

I'm still not sure he gets it.

KFG

Stevecutus of borg! (2, Funny)

brainchill (611679) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446471)

I want to see a Stevecutus of borg exhibit! Resistance is FUTILE!@%#

paul's bank account (1)

meatbridge (443871) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446475)

i know this guy is rich, but can he afford to keep throwing away money?

Re:paul's bank account (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9446516)

Yes.

He could afford to build a castle out of 90-carrat friggin diamonds, with gold engraving, and 100 dollar bills for toilet paper.

But he still have the same amount of gluttony as his ex-worker Mr. Gates. And will start up a project if he thinks he can get an extra buck or two.

Re:paul's bank account (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9446894)

Just the kind of bitter commie loser bullshit you would expect here, from the kind of person forever saying "I could have done that..." but who never does.

(FYI: you don't know what "gluttony" means. Fix that; you will still appear to be an idiot when you post but in an infinitesimally smaller degree.)

Re:paul's bank account (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9446952)

Not like your fascist vitirol is uncommon in this right-wing fuckfest.

(FYI: "you will" should be written as "you'll". Learn to use contractions. Not that doing so would add to your depressingly low brain-cell count.)

Re:paul's bank account (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9447142)

You are both pitiable and mistaken - contractions in the English language are purely optional, and in written communication are usually not the preferred form. English is what you pretend to speak, isn't it (is it not)?

Now hurry along and register your new discovery, "vitirol". If you could make some money you might lose some of that crippling envy.

Re:paul's bank account (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446563)

"A man who has a million dollars is as well off as if he were rich." -John Jacob Astor, circa 1825

Please adjust for inflation.

I'm not sure you apprehend the true meaning of the word "rich."

KFG

Re:paul's bank account (1)

sinkywinky (756160) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446912)

Net Worth: $30.4 bil [forbes.com]
So yes, he can afford to keep throwing money away.

Yet another Allen project (2, Interesting)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446527)

That will no doubt go bankrupt on investors eventually. Wish I could form limited liability companies as quickly as that guy does.

Re:Yet another Allen project (2, Interesting)

Politicus (704035) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446820)

Which will undoubtedly save him money on income taxes. Can't think of a better way to rip off the public while appearing like a philanthropist.

For other schemes, check out Perfectly Legal [perfectlyl...hebook.com] by David Cay Johnston. The catch? Level of wealth required is not available to 99% of Americans.

Re:Yet another Allen project (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446984)

An excerpt from the book Perfectly Legal [perfectlyl...hebook.com] on the website (link goes directly to the PDF file) should be read by anybody who thinks they can have FREEDOM under CORPORATISM- and exactly why it's impossible for most people to come out with any sort of financial freedom.

Re:Yet another Allen project (1)

ezzzD55J (697465) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446956)

Yet another Allen project...

Would that be.... "The Allen Parsons Project!"
BA-pam! BAA-pam!!

Perhaps?

Re:Yet another Allen project (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 10 years ago | (#9447007)

I was thinking less humorous and more factual:

1. Oregon Arenas Incorporated- owned by Paul Allen, recently went bankrupt leaving bond holders on the Rose Garden in the lurch to the tune of $13 Million.
2. Trail Blazers- an NBA team on the verge of bankruptcy due to valuing talent over team morale and customer loyalty
3. Mentor Graphics- moving jobs offshore quickly in an effort to stay afloat.

And that's just the ones I'm aware of, I'm sure there are others.

I'm having unit troubles here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9446554)

Paul Allen's $22 mm Science Fiction Museum

So did it cost him $22 and is on a millimeter scale?

Allen is a Lucas hater! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9446575)

Not even a sidelong mention of Star Wars? They better let me sit in the cockpit of the Falcon, or there'll be hell to pay! Chewie! Set 271!

Re:Allen is a Lucas hater! (1)

capt.mellow (613863) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446698)

at http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/ there's evidence that the museum includes at least the Yoda puppet, a collection of action figures, and some SW posters.

Re:Allen is a Lucas hater! (3, Informative)

Comte (138075) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446704)

Actually, there's a fair amount of SW refences: an X-Wing fighter, the "Millenium Falcon" and a Star Destroyer in the "Space Dock"; interviews with Lucas in several of the video sgements; an R2-D2 model in the "Robots" section; one of Darth Vader's masks -- and that's just what I can recall off the top of my head.

Why no photography? (4, Interesting)

istewart (463887) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446593)

I notice that this new museum doesn't allow visitors to photograph the exhibits, much like Allen's Heritage Flight Museum or whatever the hell it's called that has a lot of vintage aircraft. This gives me the impression that Allen's being just a little vain with something he's ostenstibly putting on public display... and perhaps perpetuating the intellectual-property protection mantra of his old pals at Microsoft. Can anybody here give a valid reason for prohibiting photography?

Re:Why no photography? (2, Insightful)

Azrael Newtype (688138) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446648)

Isn't it obvious? The more you come back, the more he can shaft you for at the inevitable gift shop.

Re:Why no photography? (1)

bandy (99800) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446655)

Ever been to an event where they announce "no flash photography", especially when they say it's for the performer's safety...and then during the event, the flashes go off? That's likely because there are too many idjits who don't know how to use their cameras.

Re:Why no photography? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9446713)

Flashes are very hard on the exhibits. They'll bleach out things faster than sunshine.

And as another poster pointed out, too many cameras have stupid users and will flash whenever photographs are taken in dim light. Disposable cams don't even have a switch to disable the flash. It's easier to just prohibit photography altogether.

[S]

Re:Why no photography? (1)

sakshale (598643) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446763)

I also suspect there may be licensing issues with some of the exhibits... Just a suspicion mind you... no one would actually do such a thing... Would they? [grin, duck, run like h...]

Re:Why no photography? (1)

aka-ed (459608) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446757)

Best reason I can think of is, for $22 million, it may seem more than a little dinky.

And, while everyone is complaining about the grave ommissions, here's mine:

The greatest time-travel series ever made. [tvparty.com] Imogene Coca as Shad. Joe E. Ross as Gronk. Mike Mazursky as Clon.

One blessed season. The end of which leaves me, still, unconsolable.

Re:Why no photography? (1)

justforaday (560408) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446846)

Because when everyone sees pics posted online of just how lame the museum is, they won't want to bother going there themselves... [I keeeed....well, sort of...]

The scientific case for prohibiting photography (4, Informative)

westendgirl (680185) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446865)

Many museums ban photography. In some cases, intellectual property may be at stake. However, many museums have banned photography because flash lights damage artefacts.

In this MP3 clip on flash photography's effect on art [radio.cbc.ca] , CBC Radio's Quirks & Quarks interviews Dr. Tito Scaiano, professor of chemistry at the University of Ottawa.

Artefacts absorb light, and thus molecules. The molecules convert the energy to heat, but sometimes a molecule changes chemical structure, resulting in a visible change. When a photo is absorbed, it pushes the molecule to a higher energy state that breaks the bond. In other cases, it promotes oxidization. Organic pigments are more sensitive than inorganic pigments (which are already fairly oxidized). In other words, flash photography can lead to deterioration of an artefact, not to mention changes to the pigment.

Although aircraft may not be as sensitive as the Mona Lisa, it's still possible that flash photography could damage the artefact. An art student told me that his professor confided that one flash was equivalent to three days of natural light. I don't know if that's entirely true, but I've heard the warning repeated.

Although some people might not use flashes, even a small percentage of wrong-doers could eventually ruin an artefact. For example, when I saw the Mona Lisa, about 30% of the crowd was taking flash photos. The Mona Lisa is behind 3 inches of plexiglass, but the flashes do take their toll [globeandmail.com] .

The Straight Dope also answers a question about flash photography's damage to art [straightdope.com] .

Is it built... (0)

CelticLo (575344) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446705)

...out of old AOL discs?

Interesting architecture in Seattle (3, Interesting)

blamanj (253811) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446715)

The MS millionaires are making Seattle an interesting-looking place. In addition to the Gehry-designed rock museum [greatbuildings.com] , they just opened a very cool new public library [spl.org] .

Ah... (2, Funny)

Digitus1337 (671442) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446752)

The Joy of Making Love to Steve Allen. (See also: The Joy of a Naked Steven Allen and The Joy of Cooking Steven Allen

mo3 0p (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9446823)

time I'm done here, OF AMERICA irc over the same least I won't are there? Oh, deeper into the

Pretty Disappointing (1)

klausner (92204) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446840)

I was one of the few that got to attend the preview last night, and was mostly disappointed. See detailed review here [blogspot.com] .

Not everything in the museum is Paul Allen's: (3, Interesting)

Artifex (18308) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446848)

Before the opening, the museum's website [sciencefic...rience.com] had information on lending props and other materials to the museum. I suspect that a lot of the rotating "stock" will be moved in and out as people lend, then want their artifacts back.

I looked at this museum a while back, in fact, because I was considering lending out props I have from Battlestar Galactica, but as you can see [battlestar...caclub.com] , I decided not to do so, because I was concerned about their safety.

(If anyone else goes to the museum, I'd like to know if there's a BG section, and what it's like, etc.)

Enterprise-A (1)

istewart (463887) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446909)

Is the one on exhibit the fullsize, original filming model as detailed here [cloudster.com] ? If so, I'm somewhat sad that it's in Paul Allen's hands... someday I'll have to make him an offer he can't refuse. :)

Paul Allen's political donations... (1)

Jesus_McNazareth (783297) | more than 10 years ago | (#9446969)

donation list [newsmeat.com]

(the records from the dude at Holland America are obviously not from the real Paul Allen)

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