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suck a cock J^raxis (-1, Offtopic)

penis fish (671987) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447624)

i love you incivism

Re:suck a cock J^raxis (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447662)

Sorry, but I don't suck cocks, and I never have in the past, nor do I plan to in the future. However, I do enjoy using your mother and sisters as cocksockets--daily, in fact--and will continue doing so for the foreseeable future.

Sincerely,
J. Raxis

fist posse!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447626)

fp!

Nice. (1)

chewy_2000 (618148) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447635)

New version of my favourite email client, always a good thing. Keep up the good work Moz team.

Re:Nice. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447650)

You have added nothing interesting to the discussion. Your post is a waste of disk space. Good job.

Re:Nice. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447677)

Disk space? Who cares about disk space? Bandwidth, now thats an issue... idiot.

Re:Nice. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447690)

la la la

Re:Nice. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447703)

Word.

Re:Nice. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447699)

Bandwidth will only be an issue until it gets modded down into oblivion. You need to work on your trolling insight.

Re:Nice. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447694)

Thanks. I always like to achieve something, even if it is a waste of disk space.

Re:Nice. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447818)

Which is why we should all type in smaller fonts... to save disk space.

A really impressive browser. (-1, Offtopic)

DP (11614) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447636)

I remember when Mozilla would make my computer choke, but now it's quite speedy. Almost as fast as IE, but without the constant MSN hocking.

I have to admit, though. I never liked Firebird. The lack of proper MIME handling made the thing virtually useless to me, but Firefox is *much* better in that respect. Way to go, guys!

Re:A really impressive browser. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447672)

I think you're posting in the wrong story. Perhaps you wanted this one [slashdot.org]?

MOD PARENT DOWN (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447673)

-1: Doesn't know what he's talking about.

The problem with Firebird was that it had proper MIME handling. If the server sent .wmv files with mime-type text/plain, it would treat it as a text file.

MOD PARENT UP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447873)

Proper MIME handling was quite the bane to my semi-dedicated small business support team. Firefox is a true heaven send!

HOW DOES THIS BASH MICRO$LOTH OR WORSHIP APPLE? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447639)

in other words, WHO CARES?

I'm giving away 5 gmail accounts... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447647)

Google keeps on throwing invitations at me...

Send an email to wallclimber33-gmail@yahoo.com if you want one...

Thunderbird Rocks. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447657)

I have been using Thunderbird for quite sometime now. It is EXCELLENT. The spam filter works well after you train it.

Re:Thunderbird Rocks. (4, Interesting)

Araxen (561411) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447767)

Aye, the spam filter sets this email client above all the rest.

Re:Thunderbird Rocks. (3, Interesting)

Erwos (553607) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447965)

I agree, too. One of Evolution's big mistakes was not integrating with SpamAssassin more heavily. I mean, OK, it's pretty stupidly simple to set up right now, but I really would like better integration so I don't have to do _any_ set up.

Well, maybe next version.

-Erwos

Re:Thunderbird Rocks. (5, Interesting)

darien (180561) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447885)

I disagree entirely. I used to use Outlook, with SpamBayes [sourceforge.net] as my spam filter. The Thunderbird spam filter is far, far less effective. I have a suspicion it doesn't read email headers or something. All I can say for sure is that after training SpamBayes for two weeks I used to get maybe one email a week in my "suspected spam" folder. Then I moved to TB's built-in spam filter, and since then I get more like three spams a day delivered straight to my inbox. Not good. If this new version doesn't fix that I'm just going to go back to SpamBayes, even though I'll have to run it as a separate process.

Warning: Release Candidate status still... (-1)

david_reese (460043) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447660)

so I won't be recommending it to my sister, for example.

More information here [mozillazine.org]

Re:Warning: Release Candidate status still... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447693)

Actually, this is a separate release that has left release candidate status. (Yes, that's 2 releases in 3 days, but open source always says to release often...)

Re:Warning: Release Candidate status still... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447732)

You know, if you go to page 9 of that thread you linked to, you'll notice that they're talking about the 0.7 final release today.

NOT A Release Candidate! (4, Informative)

jark (115136) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447746)

The correct thread by mscott, pointing out the 0.7 release is right here [mozillazine.org]. This is not a release candidate but an actual point release.

Re:Warning: Release Candidate status still... (3, Informative)

Jack Comics (631233) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447752)

Totally incorrect. While the Release Candidate was released on Monday, which is what you linked to, the new 0.7 is the official release two days later as no major problems were found with the Release Candidate. For more information, see here [mozillazine.org].

Re:Warning: Release Candidate status still... (1)

david_reese (460043) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447795)

Sorry...

my bad. Apparently this is not the case. Please mod parent post down. Good work on the TBird team to get an RC into general release so quickly!

In atonement, I plan on spamming my family to upgrade from their current versions (0.3 on up) :-)

Talkback should help out the many eyes/shallow bugs situation, and apparently the extension/themes will be a bit more stable from now.

Actually... (5, Informative)

Ender Ryan (79406) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447839)

Actually, at my (admittedly small) company, we have already standardized on Mozilla Thunderbird for email. There _are_ some bugs, but they are easier to live with than the shortcomings of other, lesser email software.

We even use it on the Macs, which came with... Mail.app? iMail.app? whatever... We use it on the Macs, because it just does IMAP better. It still amazes me how poorly most email clients handle IMAP.

Thunderbird also supports TLS for all mail communications, which is very nice to have out of the box support for in free software.

YMMV.

Great (3, Informative)

$calar (590356) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447661)

This is great for my parents' computer because they are still using Windows. But I really like Evolution better on the Linux side of things. Thunderbird is very good overall and I recommend it to all existing users of Outlook and Outlook Express. Get out now while you can!

Difference between Firefox and Thunderbird? (-1, Redundant)

jarich (733129) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447665)

Can someone run the differences down for me? Sorry but I haven't kept up with the two projects? Any killer features in one and not the other?

Thanks

Re:Difference between Firefox and Thunderbird? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447682)

Yes. One checks your mail. The other lets you browse the web. As for killer features, it depends whether you like getting your porn in your inbox or downloading from websites.

Re:Difference between Firefox and Thunderbird? (3, Informative)

gnatman64 (688246) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447684)

Firefox is a webrowser, and Thunderbird is an email client.

Re:Difference between Firefox and Thunderbird? (1)

juglugs (652924) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447701)

Yeah, Thunderbird allows you to get pop3 email...Firefox doesn't ;-)

Re:Difference between Firefox and Thunderbird? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447702)

A couple of BIG differences.
Firefox lets you view webpages, thunderbird doesn't unless they are in a message.

Thunderbird lets your download, read, and send email, but Firefox doesn't let you do that.

Enjoy!

Re:Difference between Firefox and Thunderbird? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447717)

The release notes are linked right out of the summary.

This is a new low. Not bothering to RTFA and instead asking for TFA to be posted in the comments when slashdotting isn't even a problem.

Pardon the Ignorance... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447666)

but what exactly is/are the difference(s) between Firefox and Thunderbird??

Re:Pardon the Ignorance... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447707)

Name changes.

One always changes, the other occasionally stays the same.

blah (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447681)

what? Jeff Tracy hasn't finished Thunderbird 1 yet? jeez...

Fedora? (3, Interesting)

rleibman (622895) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447686)

Same questions as for firefox, when can we expect it in the Fedora updates?

Re:Fedora? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447714)

Same questions as for firefox, when can we expect it in the Fedora updates?

Use a source-based distro and you wouldn't have to "wait" for dependency-burdened updates.

Re:Fedora? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447909)

Use a source-based distro and you wouldn't have to "wait" for dependency-burdened updates.

Yeah. You just have to "wait" for it to compile instead.

Still Room for Improvement (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447700)

I used Outlook for a long time before getting fed up with it, and now I'm going through the same thing with Thunderbird. In fact, I still can't seem to switch between HTML and plaintext email composition without changing my overall composition preferences, which is buried at least four or five clicks away from the composition window.

I'm not sure if it's a config design issue as much as it is a familiarity issue. I dumped Outlook because of its history with security, and Outlook 2002's poor compatibility with Windows XP. Thunderbird is better in some ways, but it definitely has its downsides, not the least of which is the painful configuration of multiple accounts and general preferences.

Firefox and Thunderbird are incredible aps but Thunderbird especially has a lot of room for improvement. When Thunderbird can piece together split usenet files and handle Y-EN/C then it will probably truly have arived for many of us. After that you need to out-exchange exchange :) and realize email is a centeral pda application and to that end we need scheduling, adress books that sync with our newtons, and help us manage our lives. Indeed, do Thunderbird right and you can really shake up the world because there's a real hunger and need for an ultra powerful email/usenet/scheduler/contact/pda manager.

Re:Still Room for Improvement (1)

vena (318873) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447786)

in outlook 2003, i have my composition settings set to always convert to plaintext. at the top of each email it converts, it has a little notify pane that tells me it's converted from html. if i click that, it forms a dropdown from where i can select "convert back to HTML."

might be time to give it another look?

i too switched to thunderbird for a while. that is, up until it started folding in on itself. one day i'd load it up, and it had decided to duplicate every email in my store. a week later, it corrupted the entire store and rendered every email blank. the files themselves were blank. there was no real reason for this to happen, it just goes to point - thunderbird is not a release-ready application and is still very much beta software.

Re:Still Room for Improvement (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447793)

Why would you want to send html email in the first place? It's bad etiquette.

Re:Still Room for Improvement (1)

OverlordQ (264228) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447806)

Write an Y-EN/C extension then.

Re:Still Room for Improvement (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447977)

Ah, the wonderful world of OSS fanatics, where everyone, geek and Joe Sixpack alike, can program as well as Linux himself, and is eager to fix and improve your favorite fringe software rather than just use what already works.

Re:Still Room for Improvement (5, Informative)

psylent (638032) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447841)

"In fact, I still can't seem to switch between HTML and plaintext email composition without changing my overall composition preferences, which is buried at least four or five clicks away from the composition window."

Doesn't [shift]-Write work for you?

Re:Still Room for Improvement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447876)

After that you need to out-exchange exchange :) and realize email is a centeral pda application and to that end we need scheduling, adress books that sync with our newtons, and help us manage our lives.

Argh. No way.

I don't have a PDA, and use a separate scheduler program. Leave the PDA stuff for extensions, I don't want it cluttering up my mail client. If Thunderbird wants to interact with separate scheduler applications, then that is no problem either, but turning Thunderbird into a Mail Client/PDA Synchronizer/Scheduler/Life Manager/Java IDE/Tetris Game monolithic application sort of defeats the "do one thing well" ethos that it began with.

vs. Opera (1)

ogewo (652234) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447704)

Being an Opera fanboy and having no experience with Mozilla, could somebody point out some advantages of one over the other?

Re:vs. Opera (5, Informative)

Punboy (737239) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447728)

Opera, AFAIK, is not open-source. Firefox and Thunderbird are. Firefox and Thunderbird IMO are more stable and have more/easier to use features. Also, they look better. And in some cases are faster than Opera. Go try them out, they won't bite :-p

Sure thing (4, Funny)

billybob (18401) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447744)

Here you go. [fuckinggoogleit.com]

Hope that helps out.

Re:Sure thing (2, Funny)

ogewo (652234) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447897)

Well I searched google and found the thunderbird information on other news sites and an opera/m2 comparison on other forums, so I guess I see your point. Google has made Slashdot obsolete! =O

Re:vs. Opera (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447755)

could somebody point out some advantages of one over the other?

Yeah, one sucks the other doesn't.

Oh, sorry, I thought you were asking the difference between Mozilla and IE.

Re:vs. Opera (1)

rasz (788512) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447853)

Operas M1 or M2 or how else it's called 'email client' crap .. well, its a crap. Dont know about Thunderbird, but The Bat works for me.

Re:vs. Opera (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447857)

Being an Opera fanboy and having no experience with Mozilla, could somebody point out some advantages of one over the other?

Why must someone always post a question like this? Can't we all just agree on not to use Microsoft software (whether it be a web browser, word processor, or operating system) and not worry about which alternative we use?

So advanced... (4, Funny)

MSBob (307239) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447706)

yet still without multipart MIME support in newsgroups. Sorry guys but if you want your news client to have any sort of market share better make sure it is more porn friendly!

Re:So advanced... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447740)

Sorry guys but if you want your news client to have any sort of market share better make sure it is more porn friendly!

I'm a big fan of Thunderbird. It's lack of porn friendly features (yEnc anyone? Yeah, it's not really a true standard, but who cares when it comes to porn?) forced me outside to meet real women, and so now I don't need porn anymore.. so Thunderbird is now feature complete for me.

Re:So advanced... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447953)

All that got you was a restraining order, so what now?

Numbers (1)

Fullmetal Edward (720590) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447715)

I wish they would get to 1.0 and unite all the client release numbers. Having Mozilla A at 0.7 and B at 0.9 then C at 2.500000 is just annoyed, would it be so difficult to make the next releases all the same? At least you would know when something needed updating (something else would be a higher number)

Mozilla (5, Insightful)

Sandman1971 (516283) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447724)

My question is.... When will Firefox and Thunderbird be packaged together in a new full blown Mozilla release? Can't seem to find any info on the website regarding it.

Re:Mozilla (5, Informative)

neverkevin (601884) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447759)

From the FireFox FAQ:

What's happening with the Firefox development?

Firefox will be used as the default browser in Mozilla. The current Mozilla suite will be replaced by stand-alone applications.


Link [texturizer.net]

Re:Mozilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447824)

actually, he asked WHEN, not what

Re:Mozilla (1)

jamatfu (246848) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447760)

Doesn't that defeat the purpose? They split the Mozilla project and used various parts of the trunk to develop more streamlined stand-alone products. Now you want them to marry them [again]?

They won't (1)

billybob (18401) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447763)

The point of these apps is that they're SMALL and designed to do ONE THING ONLY (browse the web or check your email) so they're not bloated.

If you want firefox and thunderbird in one app, then use mozilla. :)

I like it this way.

Re:They won't (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447809)

The only problem is that they load two copies of gecko into memory, two copies of XUL, etc.

Some way of sharing memory between them would be nice. It doesn't matter if they use 40% less memory than Mozilla if there are two copies open.

Another question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447920)

Along those same thoughts I have a similar question: When will Mozilla have an application bundle available for download containing the separate Firefox, Thunderbird, and Nvu applications?

IMAP has regression bugs (0, Troll)

Schmucky The Cat (687075) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447730)

I installed it this afternoon and it marked everything as read. *!*!&&! POS.

Geuss the lesson is don't install Release Candidates of OSS.

Re:IMAP has regression bugs (1)

GenSolo (444636) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447952)

No, the lesson is don't install Release Candidates of anything in a production environment.

Mozilla 1.7? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447750)

Where's Mozilla 1.7?

Yes but. . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447757)

Will it let me keep my kick ass [aqua-soft.org] theme [troppobellissimo.it].

I don't really care about the radical changes in how it lets me download my mail, as there can't be that many revolutionary things left to add.

Speed? (4, Informative)

skinfitz (564041) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447761)

*slight* increase in speed? I saw that Firefox allegedly had a "3% increase" - Bollocks! - it's CRAP LOADS faster than the old version! If TBird has a similar speed increase I'm looking forward to it.

Linux URL handling. (1)

normal_guy (676813) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447769)

Am I missing something critical about Mozilla's handling of multiple instances? It displays the profile prompt if the program is launched again. The other annoyance is Thunderbird/Firefox interaction. Unless I'm wrong, a custom script is required to have Thunderbird launch URLs in a new Firefox tab. Any suggestions?

Web browser overload!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447771)

Why does Mozilla have THREE different browsers in development? Mozilla, Firefox and now Thunderbird? What's up with that?

Re:Web browser overload!! (1)

jamatfu (246848) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447800)

Don't be a doofus. Read the posts before you comment and you might notice that it's an email client.

Wait, is that your IE calling?

Not happy. (1, Informative)

Wig (778245) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447780)

I wasnt overly happy with Thunderbird 0.7. I downloaded, installed, and found out that it doesn't seem to want to work for me. This is interesting, considering Last night I tried to get Thunderbird 0.6 and the .tar.gz was corrupted, it only showed the "components" folder (which is hardly enough to send mail.). So, I think I'll just stick to KMail and hope Thunderbird 0.8 is better.

A once in a lifetime offer (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447828)

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Love it (1)

CrypticSpawn (719164) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447830)

Actually was having a hard time finding an IMAP client that worked well, until I found Thunderbird and now that is all I use.

I've gotten a much higher quality of spam (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447848)

with the new Thunderbird client.

More seriously, I've used Thunderbird both at home and at work for quite a while and prefer it to the other mail programs. I just installed the new version even though I was happy with the previous one just because I wanted to see what new features are in it.

Compared to web-based e-mails? (4, Interesting)

line.at.infinity (707997) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447879)

In the past I've used First Class Client, pine, and currently I'm satisfied with web-based e-mail. What's the benefit of using mail clients such as Thunderbird or Outlook over web-based e-mail? For my web-based e-mail I get

* no ads
* at least 1 GB per mail account
* spam filtering
* impossible to download infected attachments
* etc

I also edited the .forward file for my pine account so I can read those e-mails on my web mail account.

Threaded messaging (4, Informative)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447954)

Anyone who uses email frequently cannot live without threaded messaging once exposed to it. This and this alone will keep me off of webmail forever (sure, you *could* thread in webmail, but it would either result in many trips back / forth to the server to expand / collapse the threads, or it would need fancy JS and DHTML magic which I have never seen in a webmail app.).

I access my email solely through IMAP, and while I *do* occasionally use my webmail access while away from the desk, it is far from my first choice.

Other things client side email can give you
- Better spam filtering than webmail, since you can run your own and fine tune it
- Don't have to worry about your email account suddenly being terminated due to the whim of a company
- Privacy issues
- Infinite GB per email account (in theory)
- Better integration with your desktop calendar and addressbook
- Ability to easily sync with your PDA / Cell phone
- Ability to click "mailto:" in your web browser and have it work
etc...

The mozilla project: dead as a doornail (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447883)

It is official; Netcraft confirms: Mozilla is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Mozilla community when IDC confirmed that Mozilla market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all web browsers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that Mozilla has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Mozilla is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict Mozilla's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Mozilla faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Mozilla because Mozilla is dying. Things are looking very bad for Mozilla. As many of us are already aware, Mozilla continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

Netscape 7 is the most endangered of them all, having lost 100% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant firing of all 50 Netscape developers [mozillazine.org] by AOL only serves to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: Mozilla is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

Mozilla.org leader Mitchell Baker states that there are 7000 users of Mozilla. How many users of Firefox are there? Let's see. The number of Mozilla versus Firefox posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Firefox users. Camino posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of Firefox posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of Camino. A recent article put Netscape 7 at about 80 percent of the Mozilla market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Netscape 7 users. This is consistent with the number of Netscape 7 usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Mozilla, abysmal sales and so on, Netscape went out of business and will probably be taken over by AOL who sell another troubled browser. Now AOL is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that Mozilla has steadily declined in market share. Mozilla is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Mozilla is to survive at all it will be among browser dilettante dabblers. Mozilla continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Mozilla is dead.

Fact: Mozilla is dying

No solaris build (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447908)

When will these bitches make a solaris build available?

Warning to Mac OS X users (4, Informative)

gwoodrow (753388) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447910)

So, it could just be that I'm a moron, but I thought I'd share anyway.

Virtually every program I use in Mac OS X Panther allows me to overwrite an old program with the newer version without screwing up any of the settings. Thunderbird, however, screwed up big time. It copied perfectly, and opened smoothly, but it did NOT keep any of my settings. I'm having to go through and reconfigure all my email accounts and settings from scratch. I like thunderbird, but this little feature is a big enough pain in the ass that I may have to stick with Mail just so I don't have to worry about wasting time with this again. Proceed with caution, Mac users.

app refuses to start ? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447937)

I am sorry to rain on the parade and I will start my (anonymous) rant with kudos for the Mozilla developers.

Having said that, I just tried to upgrade my existing Thunderbird installation and I get an error that refuses to go away till I kill the fricking Thunderbird instance. Yes, clean profile, yadda,yadda,yadda.. I know all about it. The reality that the Mozilla developers steadfastly seem to deny is this.. (in bold text, since I am somewhat annoyed).

Though you say that your products are not release ready, people actually USE them as if they were .

Ask me how many times I've agonized and read forums and moaned and wrung my hands over Firefox ? Many, many hours. The move from 0.7 to 0.8 was traumatic and the move from 0.8 to 0.9 was less so, but still took several hours of time before things were back to normal. Yes, I understand the use of profiles, why it is important, why having the same profile from one version to another is a bad idea.. But face facts. We are now (in the case of Thunderbird) 3 point releases away from a 1.0 Is going from fully functioning mail client to something that won't even start even remotely acceptable ? My view is that it is not.

Add to that the attitude of some (again, I apologize for waving a very general tar brush in the direction of the hardworking and unrecognized Mozilla developers) responsible for core development and you wonder ... are you an open source project worthy of the name ? I personally would LOVE to help. But what's the point ? There has been public rejection or ignoring of my attempts to get involved. I know I am not alone in this plight. I will just mention in passing that some of the Mozilla developers come off as having a slight attitude problem and leave it at that. If you have had the misfortune at being on the receiving end of their tirades, you know what I mean here.

I like Mozilla, I like the idea of choice, I like the idea of an alternate mail client and browser. I am willing to help, as are so many others. But if we're delegated to the role of consumers and consumers alone, then at least listen. Your installer sucks in terms of migrating existing profiles and users. I am sorry, but it doesn't matter how many bells and whistles your application has.. if it doesn't start, it's all moot anyway. Maybe THIS post will get through to some person who is responsible for decision making in Mozilla. If not, thanks Slashdot. You let me vent and let off steam.

wow (0, Offtopic)

tisme (414989) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447957)

I just figured it out... it came to me so clearly and instinctively that it is frightning. Here is the revelation: MY PURPOSE IN LIFE WAS TO DOWNLOAD THIS VERSION OF FIREFOX!!! Anything from now on is icing on the cake... I am now complete. :P

Question for OS X thunderbird users... (1)

Xyde (415798) | more than 9 years ago | (#9447968)

I'm an OS 10.3 user and use Mail.app which comes with OS X.

I've used an older build of thunderbird before and it was okay but honestly I wasn't terribly impressed with it. I just use standard POP3 for all my accounts...is there any compelling reason why I should use it on OS X instead of Mail.app?

I can see how it would be preferable over Outlook on Windows with all the viruses going around and the general bloat/suckiness of MS crapware but does it do anything that Apple's Mail doesn't? I'm not trolling or anything, I really want to know. Mail.app used to get really sluggish in previous versions when you had a lot of messages, but that seems to be fixed nowadays.

Mozilla is awesome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9447986)



What a cool ass group of programmers.

You can be too [mozilla.org]!

p.s. open source forever.
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