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Torrentocracy = RSS + Bit Torrent + Your TV

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the clairvoygence dept.

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lerhaupt writes "I've started a project called Torrentocracy which is the combination of RSS, Bit Torrent and your Television. It's written as a plugin for MythTV (the homebrew Linux PVR project). This means you can not only easily find out about new torrents from various enclosure enabled blogs, but you can also start the torrent download process with the click of your TV remote control. Are RSS aggregators which support torrent downloads the next greatest thing since web browsers? What is the significance of hooking this directly to your TV? Here's a screenshot."

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Imagine... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9482872)

This post was brought to you by the letters f,i,r,s,t and p,o,s,t.

Automatically posted by F.i.r.s.t.p.o.s.t , on your screen soon !

Re:Imagine... uh ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9482906)

Where can I find this ? Is it a program ?

w00t! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9482873)

Get fucked homos! :P

Consider this (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9482960)

Consider this:

An inarticulate, politically inexperienced man with family links to a previous national regime comes to provincial leadership. Subsequently he gains the highest national office without winning the popular vote. The election in which he was declared the victor is considered compromised by his brother's province. He appoints a chief law enforcement officer who has repeatedly called for constitutional revisions. Regulatory agencies are filled with those previously regulated. Soldiers patrol transportation centers. International treaties are abrogated. International legal organizations are shunned. Roles of police and military are blurred. Law enforcement agencies are centralized. Individual civil rights are reduced. A "shadow" government is created.

Domestic surveillance is increased. People are encouraged to spy on each other. Military budgets are increased. The military establishes a disinformation program. Media access to government is limited. Consultations with the legislative branch decline. Connections to corrupt corporate sponsors are disavowed. Efforts to further plunder natural resources for profit are initiated. Access to past administrations' documents is limited. A war mentality is established with imprecise enemies. Nebulous fear-inducing alerts are periodically released. National level profiling is introduced. People are imprisoned without public charges and unknown others are "disappeared."

Does the word "coup" come to mind?

Re:Consider this (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9483121)


Consider this:

if the real "bad guys" did get into your goverment, how would you know ?

WTF? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9483279)

how is that at all on topic? yet it was modded 'informative', while the dude saying he didnt know what an RSS feed was was modded offtopic? only on /.

Sounds Wonderful (4, Funny)

Moblaster (521614) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482875)

Except for the fact that I'll need to keep my television on 24 hours a day to seed.

Obligatory pr0n joke (2, Insightful)

ultrabot (200914) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482886)

Except for the fact that I'll need to keep my television on 24 hours a day to seed.

Aren't you doing that anyway?

Re:Obligatory pr0n joke (1)

martingunnarsson (590268) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482949)

I switch my TV on when I feel like watching it, then switch it off again when I get bored with it. No point in keeping it running all day.

Re:Obligatory pr0n joke (0, Offtopic)

shish (588640) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483092)

Troll? WTF? I was just about to make that joke myself :/

Re:Sounds Wonderful (4, Insightful)

MeanE (469971) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482890)

Mmm perhaps not.

You would have to leave your PVR/whatever on to seed, but as you might of noticed, your computer continues to function with your monitor off.

Re:Sounds Wonderful (5, Funny)

Rob_Warwick (789939) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482923)

No! Turning off your monitor and turning off your computer are the same thing. Anyone who's ever worked phone tech support can tell you that.

Plus, if you use the switch on your monitor, you can get some awesome boot times!

Re:Sounds Wonderful (4, Funny)

martingunnarsson (590268) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482963)

Oh yeah, the monitor is the computer, and the computer case is the hard drive. Once you learn the language of the users, they aren't that stupid!

Re:Sounds Wonderful (1)

Moblaster (521614) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483084)

Are those the same ones who call pop-up ads "free software?"

Re:Sounds Wonderful (4, Funny)

I confirm I'm not a (720413) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483626)

Sad but true: we have a client who prints out emails so he can fax back the reply...

Re:Sounds Wonderful (1)

MacGod (320762) | more than 10 years ago | (#9484043)

No! Turning off your monitor and turning off your computer are the same thing. Anyone who's ever worked phone tech support can tell you that.
Plus, if you use the switch on your monitor, you can get some awesome boot times!

Ironically, this isn't far from true in the case of some monitors. I have an Apple 20" Cinema Display [apple.com] , and the computer's power switch if the monitor's switch, since it connects via the Apple Display Connector.

Furthermore, there is no power switch on the monitor! The only way I can turn the monitor off is to shut the computer off, put it to sleep or tell the Energy Saver System Preference to shut it down after x minutes.

So, yes, I do get good boot times using the button on my monitor.

Re:Sounds Wonderful (1)

dealsites (746817) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482945)

The site is slashdotted right now so I can't read the article. Does this mean that if you forget to download a show, you can do a couple clicks in MythTV and find the show as a torrent to download?

--
7 Gmail accounts availiable. [dealsites.net]

Re:Sounds Wonderful (1)

-O.ster_66 (753778) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483642)

your television isn't on 24 hours a day?

odd...

Re:Sounds Wonderful (1)

-O.ster_66 (753778) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483686)

sorry about that last post....it was really dumb.

this sounds FFT. (fan-f**king-tastic)

FP? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9482878)

fp?

frist psoast (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9482880)

only got this cos' I didn't bother reading the article!
suck it down.

Psst. Buddy. (5, Funny)

numbski (515011) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482884)

You really should've torrented that .jpg.

Just a thought.

Kthx. ;)

From "The Matrix" (5, Funny)

numbski (515011) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482915)

"I think we can handle one little jpg."

"No Lieutenant, your webserver is already dead."

Re:From "The Matrix" (0, Offtopic)

Zegnar (704768) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483093)

Your sig is so funny that were you to post a troll I would still be forced to mod it funny.

Respect, sir.

Re:Psst. Buddy. (0, Offtopic)

Alexis de Torquemada (785848) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483071)

Could somebody please post an ASCII art version of it?

Interface (4, Interesting)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482891)

The Interface needs to be as easy as digital cable. Otherwise i'd never use it. When I sit down in front of the TV I become a veg. Anything not easy is just plain to hard to do.

Can't look at the screen shot though. been /.ed

Re:Interface (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9483186)

I doubt this is made for you. If you veg as soon as you sit in front of the TV, how often do you even manage to get it turned on?

Re:Interface (4, Funny)

I confirm I'm not a (720413) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483652)

When I sit down in front of the TV I become a veg. Anything not easy is just plain to hard to do.

Damn, that's true. Why is it that I can write shell scripts and debug Perl, but have never been able to program my VCR? Selective stupidity - or lack of tin-foil hat? ;)

Webserver go boom (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9482892)

You should have set up a torrent and had people mirror the site.

Too fast (-1, Redundant)

coooly (631420) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482893)

Already ./ed ? Damn, i'ven't saw the screenshot :-(

Bad rep (2, Insightful)

random_culchie (759439) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482895)

Its a really good idea. But when your dealing with programs like bit torrent with its reputation for illicit downloads you're fighting an uphill battle to get any sort of mainstream interest.

Re:Bad rep (4, Insightful)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482962)

Not nessesarily, as far as p2p apps go, this has the best reputation in my opinion. For example, when mandrake released their ISOs of mandrake 10 to the club members, they distributed it over torrent. Another plus for bit torrent is you need to use a secondary method of finding the torrent files so unlike kazaa, there is no "search for music" option. Being open source also helps in that you can ensure there is no spyware. I think bit torrent can succeed as a reputable p2p app because it was not designed to steal music and divx movies, it just happens to do it well.

Re:Bad rep (5, Interesting)

spezz (150943) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483063)

Absolutely. It's been fastest way for me to get Red Orchestra and several other huge Unreal mods. The "make something unreal" contest has created a whole mini release cycle for mods, with it's deadlines and lure of cash prizes. So all of a sudden there's 4-5gb of files worth downloading all at once and all manner of choked up servers.

Bit torrent, however can serve up the 400+ mb file within an hour and the developers can just set up the link to the seed from their site. It carries an air of legitimacy greater than you can achieve by saying "or look for the file on eMule".

Comparatively little use of BT for Warez (4, Interesting)

reality-bytes (119275) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483010)

With the vast amount of legitimate downloads made available using BitTorrent, I wouldn't say it has a 'bad reputation' at all.

BitTorrent has successfully been used to provide everything from ISOs for distros to large commercial game demos.

The use of BT for transmitting illegal warez etc has been minimal mainly because BT requires a larger number of people to be interested in the particular warez than most P2P software for a download to work.

Its worth remembering that the primary use of BT is to get large files out to large numbers of people as soon after a given date as possible (while using the minimum of initial bandwidth).

What the article is actually getting at tho is that the PVR can be used to easily start a BT download on another (perhaps headless) machine to which the TV/PVR is networked.

Its convenient and useful but hardly revolutionary in this case.

Re:Bad rep (1)

icejai (214906) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483391)

I think it's quite the opposite.
Michael Moore's going to release Fahrenheit 9/11 with bittorrent.

http://www.denounce.com/archives/000055.html

Re:Bad rep (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9483603)

not true. there is a disclaimer that the article is false. denounce.com is a satire website.

Re:Bad rep (1)

Spazholio (314843) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483605)

Yes, because no one uses any P2P apps like KaZaA or Grokster since they're all linked with illegal activities.

suicide (-1, Redundant)

Dayflowers (729580) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482898)

I think the man wanted to kill its website. Why would anyone in his right mind put up a direct link to a screenshot on slashdot?!

Smirk (3, Funny)

mfh (56) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482904)

Guy: Here's my new cool project on torrents and TV.
Slashdotters: Cool. (Click)(Click)(Click)
Slashdot: Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh!!!! [[[[Crush]]]]
Server: (Dies)
Guy: Well now that you've killed my server... I guess my project can't continue. :(
Slashdot: Thanks for letting us know about your project.

Re:Smirk (0, Offtopic)

bakawally (637407) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483026)

You must be new--*looks at UID*... Um...Nevermind.

Computer + TV card (5, Insightful)

freeduke (786783) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482905)

A lot of people take the problem from the other side, while trying to download movies on your TV, we prefer to watch tv on our PCs.

Re:Computer + TV card (1)

millahtime (710421) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482919)

This would probubally be the better way to go. I leave my computer on all the time not my tv.

Shutting off the TV != Shutting off the PVR (n/t) (0)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482942)

Filter bypass...

Filter bypass..

Re:Computer + TV card (1)

mikrorechner (621077) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482972)

Perhaps there are some people in the world that can't receive shows they'd like to watch via TV where they are living.
Non-dubbed Futurama, for example. Have you ever seen the German version? It's horrible.

i love the idea of torrents but ... (1, Insightful)

buro9 (633210) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482925)

have always failed to get complete large files.

if this is to work on a television, maybe torrents should start to be paired with PAR files to create a far more robust method of fetching large files.

sure these might need to be seeded and torrent files too, but as the PAR files could be dramatically smaller (i.e. 15% of size depending on size of parity) than the full torrent file, they could be published on the sites of the copyright owner (in the case of legit works where the company is using torrents to save bandwidth).

simply put, user expectations when they use simple devices like a TV is that it just works... how many times have you NOT got a complete torrent and /or had trouble getting torrent working efficiently. PAR's could help bring in the robustness that dumb users would need.

just my 2c!

Re:i love the idea of torrents but ... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9482941)

PEBKAC

Re:i love the idea of torrents but ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9482998)

"have always failed to get complete large files."

You're obviously doing something wrong, or you're just trolling.

Re:i love the idea of torrents but ... (3, Informative)

pointwood (14018) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483013)

I use torrents quite often and I don't have a problem fetching large files. In fact, fetching large files are exactly what bittorrent is all about.

Re:i love the idea of torrents but ... (5, Informative)

laird (2705) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483025)

"torrents should start to be paired with PAR files to create a far more robust method of fetching large files"

This doesn't make any sense. Torrents are completely reliable -- they already have block and file level hashing and automatic re-downloading of blocks in case of transmission errors, etc. The only time you won't get a complete torrent is if there are no complete copies of the file being served. Adding error correcting codes (e.g. PAR files) would make the total file larger, and only recover from incomplete torrents that are _almost_ complete (i.e. would have been complete if the PAR file hadn't made it 15% larger). Just make sure that anything you're downloading has a couple of seeds before starting the download. ;-)

Re:i love the idea of torrents but ... (2, Insightful)

slashjames (789070) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483820)

Just make sure that anything you're downloading has a couple of seeds before starting the download. ;-)
And THAT is why this is unsuitable for your average user. They want to download it and expect it to work, regardless of how many other people are sharing it at the time. When's the last time you had a large file you were getting from an FTP site just disappear mid-download (except in the case of /. effect)?

Re:i love the idea of torrents but ... (4, Informative)

ctr2sprt (574731) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483103)

Well, basically what BT does is treat all torrents as single files (even if one torrent includes many files). It then splits this pseudo-file up into many chunks of configurable size. Each chunk gets a checksum which is, I believe, included in the .torrent file - this is why some .torrent files are much larger than others (smaller chunk size, more chunks, more checksums to include in the file). I think BT uses SHA1, but I'm not sure. As each chunk arrives, it's checked by your BT client. If it fails - i.e. the checksums don't match - it redownloads the chunk. Most clients will also check the entire file when you go to resume a download, so it can determine what pieces it needs to (re-)download. Some clients will also check the file after you download it, just to make sure it's been written to disk properly.

What this has to do with PAR2s are obvious: the entire effective functionality of PAR2s is already integrated into BT, automatically. It's not something that users can turn on or off, it's an integral part of the protocol.

The cause of your problem is likely that your torrent ran out of seeds before you finished downloading. Look at the "distributed copies" number your client gives you. That represents how many effective copies there are of a torrent. (Say client A has the first 50% of a torrent, and client B has the second 50%. Those are the only two peers. That's 1.0 distributed copies, since even though neither peer has a full copy, the two of them together do.) If the number is below zero, you will never be able to download the entire torrent unless a seed pops in.

As BT clients advance, this is becoming rarer. There's a "super-seeding" option of some clients which helps get out sparsely-seeded torrents as fast as possible by refusing to send the same chunk more than once.

If this is a problem for you - trying to get poorly-seeded torrents - you might want to try out Azureus. It preferentially grabs complete files inside a torrent first, and you can tell it which files to try for.

Re:i love the idea of torrents but ... (1)

buro9 (633210) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483339)

Thank you VERY much for this explanation :)

I think this is precisely what the problem may be... I generally am downloading what people call 'world music' and it's not as widely seeded as your usual porn, bootlegged britney and what not and troublesome to find.

Hence I've seldom managed to retrieve an entire file.

I only persevere because you lot keep raving about it :)

I'll look into Azureus :)

Cheers

Re:i love the idea of torrents but ... (3, Interesting)

kryptkpr (180196) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483794)

If this is a problem for you - trying to get poorly-seeded torrents - you might want to try out Azureus. It preferentially grabs complete files inside a torrent first, and you can tell it which files to try for.

Conincidentally, being able to prefer one file over another is one of the reasons that we have poorly-seeded torrents to begin with.

The mainline BT client does not support this becuase it interferes with it's rarest-first algorithms. It will download the pieces that are in danger of falling off the network before it will download a more common piece.

I agree that preferring files may be a useful feature from the user's point of view, but it's still a selfish thing to do, and makes the 99%-and-no-seed problems worse and more frequent with it's use.

Re:i love the idea of torrents but ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9483117)

I'm convinced anything that messes with the original files will only deteriorate the distribution.

When I download something that turns out to be one big RAR file which contains 50 RAR files volumes which combine into a big RAR file which finally produces the ISO I was after, it means:

1. I can't preview the file during download to see whether it's really what I want. ( www.videolan.org for previewing unfinished movie files)
2. I'm wasting a lot of time and harddisc space to unpack the crap.
3. I'm very sure to delete all the temporary RAR files ASAP, never to seed them again.

The beauty of BT is that it can produce the files you want in the normal usable format.

"have always failed to get complete large files." is just plain nonsense, clearly you haven't seriously tried it.

MOD PARENT DOWN: FUCKING IDIOT POSTER (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9483210)

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
I can't believe you typed that, you idiot.

Re:i love the idea of torrents but ... (1)

FictionPimp (712802) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483288)

My problem is I just can't get large files to download over bittorrent because of my linksys cable modem. For some reason when I use bittorrent for more then a few hours it crashes the cablemodem and I loose all internet access till I reboot the modem. This only happens with bittorrent. So far I havn't needed to download anything that large yet that I can't get via ftp, but if I did, I guess I'd have to debug this problem.

Re:i love the idea of torrents but ... (1)

robnauta (716284) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483295)

I tried to download 70 MB of mp3's as a torrent. It downloaded 70 MB until it reached 99%. Since then it has downloaded 50 MB more, but keeps on 99%. It's been running for over a week now, taunting me with 'time remaining 0 min 45 sec' or similar, but never actually finishing.

Re:i love the idea of torrents but ... (1)

Buzz_Litebeer (539463) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483446)

let it get as "close" to finished as you can, then stop the torrent.

I do not know what causes this problem, but what I let it do is start downloading until it get right up to the last bit letf, then I stop the torrent.

it is usually good at this point and you can use it.

Dangerous New Bomb (5, Funny)

Moblaster (521614) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482927)

Next thing you know, Orrin Hatch will be introducing a bill to blow up your television every time you watch some bootleg show.

RSS aggregators which support torrent downloads (0, Offtopic)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482931)

I don't even know what that means.

Re:RSS aggregators which support torrent downloads (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9482950)

FGI. http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/

Wait... (5, Funny)

MonkeyOfRage (779297) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482936)

They still make TV's?

what's the ocracy? (3, Funny)

Grummet (161532) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482938)

If its from democracy then Slashdot just voted you out of office.

Advantage? (1)

Agret (752467) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482957)

I don't see the advantage to this as torrents take a long time to download, unless you had a really fast Internet2 or similar connection to leech the files off then you wouldn't find this practical. It's probarbly better to just download on your PC and then FTP it to your MythTV box (or XBOX in my case)

Whats with the RSS part? Who publishes torrent links over RSS anyway?

searching the rss feed ! (1)

phreakv6 (760152) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482966)

have you ever tried to search for ur favorite movie or distribution torrent on suprnova or torrentz.com? It always takes a long time to do and i dont know how easy it would be to search the RSS feeds for ur stuff using the remote and the tv.The click to download can happen later.

Re:searching the rss feed ! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9483032)

That would be 'your', not 'ur'.

Easily Tracked? (4, Interesting)

artlu (265391) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482967)

In my understanding, ISPs are able to easily track torrent downloads do to the seeding algorithms. If torrents become more mainstream, people will have more protection in downloading them as there will be more for the governments to regulate.

Thoughts?

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Re:Easily Tracked? (4, Informative)

laird (2705) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483001)

I can't say that it's "do to the seeding algorithms" but it's true that there's no encryption or hiding in BitTorrent -- it's pretty fundamental to the protocol's efficiency that everyone downloading a given torrent is given everyone else's IP address so that they can exchange data. This is why BitTorrent is great for moving large _legitimate_ files, and not so clever to use for "piracy". You might as well wear a red shirt on (original) Star Trek. :-)

A good advancement, but not a totally new trick (4, Informative)

tinla (120858) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482974)

Torrents.co.uk [torrents.co.uk] also publishes an RSS feed of new shows, and has several links to auto-downloaders. These other downloaders don't bolt onto a PVR, which is a nice feature, but it is worth remembering that many trackers already have RSS feeds and there is _some_ software already out there.

Now you've done it, Thanks for all the work Isaac. (4, Insightful)

Fapestniegd (34586) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482981)

I kept hoping no one would do this. I'd seen requests for something like it on mythtv-users. Now that MythTV will be indistinguishable from "Movie Pirates" in the MPAA's eyes. It's probably only a matter of time before the whole project gets litigated, albeit unjustly, into oblivion. Well I hope Isaac can file legal paperwork and code at the same time, but I'm guessing not. And don't bother telling me this is a separate plug-in for MythTV, I know that. What I'm saying here is that the MPAA's lawyers don't know or won't care.

Re:Now you've done it, Thanks for all the work Isa (3, Insightful)

davidu (18) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483170)


Actually James, this could be a good thing.

There are plenty of fair-use cases for this sort of application and if MythTV were to get sued over something like this than it would potentially not only be a good case for the EFF to stand behind but also a bunch of consumer electronics companies.

We know Orrin Hatch just created that new INDUCE bill he's going to try to pass and this is the sort of development it would try to suppress. Groups like the EFF and CE companies like Phillips, Sony, Sanyo, etc should all stand behind things like this that are creative in advancing fair-use rights in the digital space and that have clear non-infringing benefits.


-davidu

Re:Now you've done it, Thanks for all the work Isa (1)

Fapestniegd (34586) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483255)

True, But in many of these cases, winning a suit can be every bit as damaging as losing, as it's the trial itself theat delays work and drains the developer will to code. So I'm worried about it going to trial not losing. I am pretty certain the MPAA wouldn't win. But that won't stop them from making Isaac's, and anyone else associated with mythtv, life miserable.

Re:Now you've done it, Thanks for all the work Isa (1)

davidu (18) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483342)


Code is law...

Sometimes that's the weight that has to be carried.

-davidu

Re:Now you've done it, Thanks for all the work Isa (4, Funny)

fwitness (195565) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483396)

"...MythTV will be indistinguishable from "Movie Pirates" in the MPAA's eyes..."

Ahem. They prefer to be called [dieselsweeties.com] buccaneer americans. [dieselsweeties.com]

I mean honestly, the insensitivity of some people.

Great plan (not) (2, Funny)

Sanity (1431) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483618)

I kept hoping no one would do this.
Yeah, great plan. Let's avoid any innovation that might conceivably upset the copyright cartel.

They have a word for that, its called appeasement [reference.com] .

They tried it with Hitler before World War II. It didn't work.

Re:Now you've done it, Thanks for all the work Isa (1)

zBoD (86938) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483883)

GREAT! They didn't notice anything, but now you've posted that, they realized it's a pirate thing. THANK YOU :((

Caught on google (2, Informative)

Ceriel Nosforit (682174) | more than 10 years ago | (#9482996)

Google has the front page of the site cached, in case no one sets up a mirror.

Appropriateness of torrents for this, and legals (3, Interesting)

gorim (700913) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483003)


1. I thought torrents randomly sent chunks from all over the file, rather than as a stream. Wouldn't this make no sense unless you wanted to wait forever for the program to be completely downloaded ?

2. Given the large amount of copyrighted programs made available on torrent networks, isn't this an effort to make mainstream what might be otherwise illegal ? Does it make sense to put this amount of effort into support of what might be intended to be an illegal activity for most ?

I would have RTFA but its slashdotted, so I couldn't confirm for myself how torrents are an appropriate medium, and whether the issues of widespread support for copyright violations are addressed.

Re:Appropriateness of torrents for this, and legal (0)

Singletoned (619322) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483067)


  1. No, they start from the beginning and work their way through. That's why they can be hard to finish sometimes. As soon as people have finished downloading they close the connection, so there are fewer sources for the last part of the file than there are for the beginning.
  2. Yes, and yes. A lot of people do want to make mainstream what is currently illegal.

Re:Appropriateness of torrents for this, and legal (4, Informative)

flend (9133) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483114)

1) is not correct. When receiving a torrent you receive random packages of data from all over the file. Hence you can often watch movies when they are ~80% downloaded and you happen to have got the indexing block.

If you think about it, if torrents were purely sequential they would be very slow since if say 10 people started torrenting from 1 seed they would all be fighting over the same blocks and couldn't help each other.

Re:Appropriateness of torrents for this, and legal (1)

Singletoned (619322) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483781)

So what's the difference between the way torrents work and eDonkey?

Re:Appropriateness of torrents for this, and legal (4, Insightful)

mjh (57755) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483458)

Wouldn't this make no sense unless you wanted to wait forever for the program to be completely downloaded?

In a previous post [slashdot.org] I talked about a similar problem when TiVo suggested a similar feature. I think this would apply here too. This doesn't change the DVR recording model, which is schedule something and watch it later. The only thing that this adds is that it makes the Internet a like a TV channel, from which you can set up something to record, and then watch it later. It's not *exactly* like a TV channel, but it still fits the DVR model.

Does it make sense to put this amount of effort into support of what might be intended to be an illegal activity for most?

The person/people who are creating this tech have got to pull off a trick. They've got to figure out how to make sure that the only content available is distributed with the permission of the copyright holder. If they can do that, then they have a much more credible case that this is not intended to be a tool which is intended for copyright violation.

I don't mean to suggest that copyright is a good thing. But it exists in today's world. It never ceases to amaze me when we (the slashdot crowd) get up in arms when someone violates the GPL (i.e. violates copyright) and then we turn around and violate copyright when it comes to music or movies or ... The point is that we can't ride whatever side of the fence is most convenient. Either copyright should be enforceable and we support others rights to enforce their copyrights or copyright should not be enforceable and we allow GPL violations without restriction. Which means that if we want a solid GPL, then we should also ensure that this tech does everything to respect other's copyrights.

$.02.

Re:Appropriateness of torrents for this, and legal (1)

Erasmus Darwin (183180) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483572)

"I thought torrents randomly sent chunks from all over the file, rather than as a stream. Wouldn't this make no sense unless you wanted to wait forever for the program to be completely downloaded ?"

Step 1: Pick a program to record.
Step 2: Wait for the program to become available.
Step 3: Watch the program.

Those 3 steps both describe the way this system would presumably work and the way a PVR already works with traditional broadcast TV. The only difference is whether step 2 represents waiting for the next episode to be broadcast or if it represents waiting for the file to be transferred via bit torrent. So the system's fine as long as you don't try and equate it to a utopian video on demand service.

Also, as a minor technical nitpick, it's not that the chunks are sent in random order, but rather that they're requested in random order. I know with BitTornado, there's a half-hidden option that lets you prioritize the files within a torrent to get the client to try and complete certain files first. So if you've got a multi-gig torrent containing several videos in a series, you can start watching the first video much more quickly than if you let things occur in the default, random order.

http torrent (0)

sethadam1 (530629) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483015)

I'm waiting for someone to develop a way to distribute the load of web pages via bittorrent. Wouldn't it be great if when a webserver hit a certain load, it was served by another server?

Think about it: no more Slashdotting - just set your site up on a tracker the first time, and it's automagically covered under high load.

Re:http torrent (3, Informative)

Ceriel Nosforit (682174) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483077)

http://freenet.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]

Completely anonymous too. Albeit slow as a snail on valium.
An increase of users is supposed to equal an increase in speed. Unconfirmed.

Re:http torrent (0)

user no. 590291 (590291) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483316)

And not really all that anonymous. Do you really think the feds will buy "but I wasn't requesting that kiddie porn your sting node grabbed from my IP--I was just passing it along for someone else's request. Honest!"

Re:http torrent (1)

NumbThumb (468496) | more than 10 years ago | (#9484014)

tell me if i'm wrong, but i thought all freenet traffic was encrypted, so only the recipient could actually read it? The feds would have a hard time dealing with that...

Re:http torrent (1)

phreakv6 (760152) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483110)

Thats asking too much.Web pages are served under a Client-Server architechture and torrents work with a p2p arch.Torrents do not work well behind firewalls.How can u expect someone behind a firewall allowing only port 80 to serve u a page from his cache?.The only way could be mirroring or doing some caching to speed up things.

Re:http torrent (0)

ozelis (776764) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483426)

No more slashdoting?? Life would be BORING then

the name, man, the name (1)

WenisMonger (787750) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483039)

Does the name Torrentocracy really work here? Sounds like a bad form of government to me. But cool idea, even though none of us can check it out because it's /.'ed.

I, for one... (1, Funny)

pjt33 (739471) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483319)

I, for one, welcome our new Torrent leaders.

Re:the name, man, the name (1)

uberchicken (121048) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483556)

shorten it to Tocracy, perhaps. Maybe not. :)

Freecache! (2, Informative)

asgeirn (126441) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483075)

You really should have submitted the screenshot link using Freecache [freecache.org] ..

Only now it's too late, ofcourse..

Torrents + RSS + Readers (1)

blogmatrix (790073) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483433)

I suppose this is a good time to mention that BlogMatrix Jäger (http://jaeger.blogmatrix.com) now has pretty good support for Torrents attached as RSS enclosures. I just finished coding this up last week for the Windows version and released a Mac (beta) version that supports it on the weekend.

Now if there only was more feeds supporting torrents....

yikes (0)

lerhaupt (231905) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483469)

i'd been slashdotted once before and didnt go down. hopefully i can this back up pronto...

Re:yikes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9483592)

get IT up pr0nto?

problem w/idea of a massive PVR/torrent system (3, Insightful)

psmyylie (741794) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483471)

As neat as it would be to live in a world where everyone has PVR's integrated into their TV's, and anyone interested connects to a .torrent for the file through a web interface on their TV/media pc/whatever, I can't see it likely in any near future.
1. The inconvenience. As another poster indicated, BT downloads RANDOM chunks, so you'd have to wait until the entire file is downloaded until you can watch it.
2. The bandwidth. If this BT concept became as ubiquitous as PVR's will be in the future, the home ISPs would collectively have a heart attack. Now, I don't own my own ISP, but from what I understand just about all of them could never put up with every, or a significant amount, of their subscribers utilizing their upload amounts. They sell you those great 3mbit/1mbit (or whatever) lines, but if you consistently use the 1mbit line for WHATEVER reason, many ISPs (comcast anyone?) will automatically flag and cap you once you cross a data transfer amount (an amount they refuse to disclose to you). Granted, torrents are a great idea for spreading popular files, but it is a system that requires (or at least thrives on) people kicking back whatever they can into the system.
Anyone else see that as a serious problem?

Re:problem w/idea of a massive PVR/torrent system (1)

FrEaK7782 (588564) | more than 10 years ago | (#9484032)

1. As another user pointed out, most people use a PVR to Record shows(hence the R). If they were there to watch it when it aired, why would they need the PVR? Normal users(myself included) schedule a recording and sometime after the recording has finished, we watch it. Same concept for the BT download. We aren't expecting it to be on-demand video service.
2. DSL bypasses the problem entirely since you truely have the upload bandwidth already allocated as promised. As far as cable, perhaps if more people actually demanded the bandwidth they were paying for, the cable companies would have to stop this false advertising. If they sell you a link that promises 1 mbit upload, you should be able to use all 1 mbit the entire time!

Large-Scale Distribution System for Indie TV (2, Interesting)

McChump (218559) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483785)

There's another reason besides copyright infringement that the powers that be aren't gonna like this much -- this looks a hell of a lot like an early backbone for truly independent television. This could allow distribution of student films, public-access tv, homemade movies and shows to a much wider audience than might be otherwise available. If some company starts marketing a plug-n-go set top box with this feature enabled and pointing to an RSS feed site that contains exclusively (or even primarily) legal video, there's might be a measurable number people changing channels away from bad reality TV.

wow.... (1)

enrico_suave (179651) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483940)

with bittorrent functionality this close to your PVR content... and RSS action, one could see where if enough mythTV boxen where onlin with this (and seeded), a true "on demand" programming that would beat the pants of what certain cable companies are offering currently.

*this* is why OSS and open standards and community/hacking innovation is soooo cool.

e.
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