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Hotmail Blocks Gmail Emails (and Invites)

Hemos posted more than 10 years ago | from the intereting-tests dept.

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bonhomme_de_neige writes "Emails and invitations sent to Hotmail from Gmail accounts do not bounce, but nor do they arrive in the recipient's Inbox - they vanish mysteriously into the aether. Joel Johnson writes in his Gizmodo weblog that invitations he sent to a Hotmail address bounced (this even received coverage from ZDNet). Search Engine Roundtable writes that several ISPs are blocking Gmail. It's already well-documented that Yahoo moves Gmail invites into the Bulk Mail folder. I've personally confirmed the Hotmail and Yahoo blocking." Please note: I've not been able to verify this one way or another.

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I hate liberals (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9483349)

And since I'm on slashdot, I guess that means I hate you.

Love Always,
News For Turds

Re:I hate liberals (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9483380)

Can't we all just get along?

Stunning (5, Funny)

Marxist Commentary (461279) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483353)

Mega-corporations don't play nice? Really? I'm absolutely flabbergasted!

Re:Stunning (4, Interesting)

Bricklets (703061) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483403)

Mega-corporations don't play nice? Really? I'm absolutely flabbergasted!

An email service blocking emails from a competing email service is surprising. Has this ever happened before? Is this even legal?

Re:Stunning (4, Insightful)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483472)

I don't know if it's legal, but it's certainly unethical.

I don't understand why ISPs would block gmail mail anyway. (I understand the invites, though.)

Re:Stunning (4, Insightful)

Bricklets (703061) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483538)

I don't understand why ISPs would block gmail mail anyway. (I understand the invites, though.)

Well, the articles mentions that some email providers are blocking GMail due to privacy concerns. Seems like a bunch of hogwash to me.

Re:Stunning (3, Informative)

gazbo (517111) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483506)

Rubbish. I use Hotmail, a friend of mine uses gmail. I've not had any problems getting his mails, and I've not even had to whitelist him for the spam filter.

This story is the biggest pile of turd I've read on Slashdot - and I've read some pretty strong contenders.

Re:Stunning (-1, Troll)

GregChant (305127) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483570)

Rubbish. I use Hotmail, a friend of mine uses gmail. I've not had any problems getting his mails, and I've not even had to whitelist him for the spam filter.

Well, if you had read the fscking post, you'd realize that there is no mention of normal mail between hotmail and gmail: it's referring specifically to gmail invites.

Unable to verify... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9483355)

Please note: I've not been able to verify this one way or another.

But I won't let that stop me from posting it! ;)

Re:Unable to verify... (5, Interesting)

tssm0n0 (200200) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483442)

But this was such a well researched posting. I like how it contradicts itself:
Emails and invitations sent to Hotmail from Gmail accounts do not bounce...invitations he sent to a Hotmail address bounced

FP (0, Offtopic)

frogsarefriendly (723785) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483356)

FP!!! woot

MS & Google (3, Interesting)

mfh (56) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483358)

I would expect this from Microsoft. They can blame the spam filters, to try and save face, but the simple fact is, they are simply taking a page from their own rulebook; they don't want to lose advertising revenue from people switching to Gmail, so they are breaking the law and interfering with email. If Microsoft had successfully bought Google to trash it [theinquirer.net] , Gmail would not have existed at all. For those of you just tuning in, Hotmail is owned and operated by Microsoft, after they bought the service [com.com] in 1998. I was a Hotmail member prior to Microsoft being involved and the service has declined significantly since the old days. Although many of the features have improved since then, the bulk of the Hotmail service is becoming increasingly unreliable for email that just "has to get there".

In other news, we've got lots of Gmail invites for military folks here [gmailforthetroops.com] , so if you want Gmail for large files and you are a soldier, or if you want to donate your invites to soldiers, check us out. This is not just for American military, but any democratic military, such as Canada or the UK.

Well gee, it works fine for me.... (5, Informative)

arcite (661011) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483388)

I got an invite from my buddy, he even sent it to me using his gmail address. me thinks this story is FUD.

Re:Well gee, it works fine for me.... (5, Informative)

blowdart (31458) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483486)

Same here. A gmail invite sent to google arrived quite happily in my inbox, and I have hotmail's spam filter set to high. Test emails sent from my gmail account to hotmail did arrive.

But hey, lets not let the facts get in way of a knee jerk reaction <g>

Re:Well gee, it works fine for me.... (1)

wo1verin3 (473094) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483563)

I've sent a few people invites to their hotmail accounts and they've had no problems recieving them.

Re:MS & Google (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9483402)

gmail for the troops- sending all those torture picture home to momma

Re:MS & Google (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9483409)

Either that or the Gmail invite reads like:

LIMITED TIME OFFER!

NATURAL ENHANCEMENT!

ABOUT YOUR EMAIL ACCOUNT

FREE FREE FREE FREE

SIGN UP NOW!

http://gmail.com

For more info, I send you this file in order to have your advice.

Re:MS & Google (4, Interesting)

Tet (2721) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483414)

Although many of the features have improved since then, the bulk of the Hotmail service is becoming increasingly unreliable for email that just "has to get there".

If it "just has to get there", you wouldn't be using email in the first place. But even if you are using email, why on earth would you be using Hotmail? If it's that important, you should be using your own SMTP server over which you have control. Instead, you're relying on a third party, that you're not paying, and with whom you have no service level agreement. Not a smart move for data you care about...

your own SMTP server? ha! (5, Insightful)

kalpol (714519) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483569)

I tried that. Yes, I have my own SMTP server. It was nice, fast, and super reliable until AOL/Comcast/Time Warner/pretty much everyone began blocking email from everyone except megacorp SMTP servers.

Re:MS & Google (1)

mfh (56) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483573)

> If it "just has to get there", you wouldn't be using email in the first place.
I have to fully agree with you. But, if it has to be there immediately, and can't wait for a courier or if you don't happen to have a good SMTP server, Gmail is at this point, a great service. One reason, I think, I would trust Gmail over something I had whipped together, is the sheer human resources factor at Google, that they have at any given moment hundreds of folks working toward keeping things active, that these same folks are some of the best and brightest in the world, and I have just myself, or my small ISP. I guess what I'm saying is that I would trust Google over any small ISP in the land, because it goes without saying that Google has the edge at this point.

Re:MS & Google (4, Informative)

DaHat (247651) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483421)

so they are breaking the law and interfering with email

Do tell, what law are they breaking? I must have missed the one which says that ISP's and other electronic mail carriers must deliver all e-mails passing through their systems.

Hotmail, like Gmail are run on private networks and anyone using said networks are bound by the whims of their owners and operators.

Re:MS & Google (1)

mfh (56) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483480)

> Do tell, what law are they breaking?
It's against federal laws to interfere with the mail service, so I think someone *could* make a case for companies interfering with email, by extension of that law.

What if I saw a package going to your house from my competitor, and I was a Fed-ex agent? Would I be able to simply throw the package out so that you wouldn't use, say, UPS? Irregardless of whether money is involved or any contracts were involved; the act of arbitrary email delivery, to suit corporate needs over the needs of their clients, does transgress the law, one way or another. (Wiggham jokes can ensue now)

Re:MS & Google (2, Insightful)

dinivin (444905) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483517)

The act of arbitrary email delivery, to suit corporate needs over the needs of their clients, does transgress the law, one way or another.

Then can you cite a legal case to back this statement up?

Dinivin

Re:MS & Google (2, Insightful)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483525)

But if you extend that law, you'll give protection to spammers as well. At that point, only client-side solutions would work.

Re:MS & Google (1)

black mariah (654971) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483531)

So you're okay with spam then?

Re:MS & Google (4, Informative)

runlvl0 (198575) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483559)

> so they are breaking the law and interfering with email

Do tell, what law are they breaking? I must have missed the one which says that ISP's and other electronic mail carriers must deliver all e-mails passing through their systems.


I think that you're right, but I think that the confusion exists because of existing laws concerning common carriers [atis.org] .

Re:MS & Google (3, Insightful)

afidel (530433) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483424)

I just want to say that that is a VERY cool thing to do for the men and women who devote their lives to defending their countries. It's an often thankless job, and being away from loved ones with crappy communications makes it that much harder. Personally I think that the military needs to spend a little bit of cash on forward deployed servers so that things like that aren't needed. Why shouldn't soldiers away from home have unlimited size email boxes, if google can support it with ad revenue I think the military with their Billions and Billions can afford something that would significantly improve the moral and good will of the troops.

Breaking the law!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9483435)

so they are breaking the law and interfering with email.

How exactly is filtering incoming e-mail against the law?

Re:MS & Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9483464)

Does this mean they'll get targeted ads?

PAYG Funeral Services
International Lawyer Services
Cheaprates on CompactFlash cards

Re:MS & Google (1, Insightful)

Hassman (320786) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483473)

Ya, this might be the case if the story was actually true.

Unfortunatly, you interesting comment has gone to waste. :(

Sorry man.

Re:MS & Google (0, Offtopic)

Lozzer (141543) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483513)

Deomocratic Military? Surely an oxymoron.

Re:MS & Google (2, Insightful)

Tony-A (29931) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483548)

I would expect this from Microsoft. They can blame the spam filters, to try and save face, but the simple fact is, they are simply taking a page from their own rulebook; they don't want to lose advertising revenue from people switching to Gmail, so they are breaking the law and interfering with email.

That Microsoft would even consider doing any such thing.
Consider how safe your data is in a Microsoft proprietary format.

Is hotmail blocking first posts? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9483359)

sorry - couldnt resist.

No world record there (2, Funny)

Moblaster (521614) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483360)

Hotmail is still not as efficient at blocking Gmail as Internet Explorer is efficient at unblocking pop-ups.

Mountains (5, Insightful)

Jhawkeye83 (615484) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483362)

Mountains out of mole hiles. It's just a spam filter blocking bot mail.

Re:Mountains (1)

inkedmn (462994) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483383)

Or long-time email fat cats sensing their impending doom, either one...

Re:Mountains (-1, Troll)

black mariah (654971) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483562)

Because we all know MS is on the verge of bankruptcy and that everyone that has a Hotmail account is willing to drop it immediately and transfer to Gmail. Seriously, wake the fuck up and join the real world.

I don't want to be nasty, but ... (5, Funny)

ezzzD55J (697465) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483365)

Please note: I've not been able to verify this one way or another.
Did anyone expect you to ;) ?

lame (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9483366)

sounds like jealousy ..

seventh post! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9483368)

haha!!!

Dunno about you lot but... (4, Informative)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483369)

I just tested to three hotmail accounts, invites and standard emails get through fine. Not sure about yahoo tho.

Re:Dunno about you lot but... (3, Informative)

hottoh (540941) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483401)

Hotmail is how my invite arrived.

Is the article author positive they do not have one of hotmails spam filters turned on?

Re:Dunno about you lot but... (1)

sik0fewl (561285) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483438)

Yep. I sent an invitation to my sister (hotmail) this weekend and it worked fine for her (was in her Inbox). I've also sent out about 2-3 more invitations over the last couple weeks to hotmail addresses and they all got them.

By the way, I'm not sure what my sister's junk mail settings are set to.

Re:Dunno about you lot but... (2, Interesting)

Otter (3800) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483466)

I just received one on Yahoo, straight to the Inbox. Perhaps there's a country-specific issue? They may well use different filters. Or maybe some Bayesian thing where users have different criteria?

Article not accurate (1)

Slowtreme (701746) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483491)

I Concur with parent. My hotmail account accepted a Gmail invite not more than 20 min ago. I had no issues, other than Gmail being down/slow, probably being slashdotted...

Richard

Re:Dunno about you lot but... (3, Funny)

orin (113079) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483504)

I tested this also. No problem. Gmail to Hotmail took the same time as my ISP to Hotmail.

When this story was sitting in the queue, didn't is just sound a bit "too good to be true" (from the conspiracy side of things)?

Finally - should we be getting a Gmail icon with all of these Gmail stories?

1. Make Slashdot Joke.
2. ?????
3. Get Gmail Invite!!!!

Re:Dunno about you lot but... (3, Interesting)

hendridm (302246) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483516)

Well, this is old news first reported the middle of last week. Perhaps they fixed it now and configured their spam filters to allow the Gmail invite.

jumping the gun on MS bashing (1)

tracon5 (152442) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483575)

yeah someone might want to check a few more facts before they make blind statments like this. seems to me like someone wanted to bash MS alittle more with out actualy bothering to see if it was true or check there email again or wait 20 minutes.

Its not that i actualy like MS its just the actual truth.

I got my invite just fine and so did my brother.
both of us got the invites through hotmail.

Really? (4, Informative)

asveepay (323579) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483371)

I've invited two people on their Hotmail accounts, and both received the emails just fine.

Hmm, better test my account then (1, Funny)

SnappingTurtle (688331) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483423)

Send an invitation to miko at rescuemission dot net. We need to make sure this problem gets cleared up.

Re:Really? (1)

deadmongrel (621467) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483535)

same here but something has changed now. I sent myself an invitation but still haven't received it. well they might have started to do this after you had sent your friends the invitations. Hotmail hasn't increased their storage space yet so it figures.

Microsoft acts anticompetitive... (1)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483372)

Someone insert the "hello, you must be new here" joke here for me, wouldya?

The sad thing is that I'm not really surprised... disappointed, perhaps, but not surprised.

Honestly... (3, Insightful)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483373)

... if I were a spam filter, I would have seen the gmail email as spam too... I mean LOOK at it.

My Gmail invite got put into my spam folder... (4, Interesting)

Phil John (576633) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483488)

...by spam bayes outlook plugin, almost missed the three week window too, so yeah, it does look very spammy.

Re:Honestly... (1)

endx7 (706884) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483536)

Your friend offers to hook you up with a gmail address, so you give them your email address so that they can send an invite.

How is this spam?

Dodgy (-1, Troll)

panxerox (575545) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483375)

If this is true this is the END of hotmail. just outragous even for M$

Re:Dodgy (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9483451)

YAY! YOU WON THE M$ TROLL AWARD!

Please collect your prize by playing in traffic on the nearest freeway.

A New Era? (4, Funny)

illuminata (668963) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483376)

Please note: I've not been able to verify this one way or another.

Are the editors finally trying to verify things around here?

If that's the case, I commend them.

Re:A New Era? (1)

blowdart (31458) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483543)

No, they're really asking for gmail invites to be sent to their "test" hotmail account. Just to check of course ...

So thats why! (2, Funny)

Braingoo (771241) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483381)

So thats why my G-mail invite never showed up!!

Re:So thats why! (-1, Troll)

Ieshan (409693) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483443)

Want one? Leave your email. =)

Re:So thats why! (1)

Braingoo (771241) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483518)

umm no I dont need more spam thank you

testing 1,2,3 (3, Informative)

jdallien (564954) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483389)

To test, I sent two messages from GMail: one directly to my Hotmail account and one which I only CC'ed to my Hotmail account. The CC'd message arrived immediately but the direct message (sent first) arrived about 5 minutes later.

It's just the Billy Club (-1, Offtopic)

spidergoat2 (715962) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483394)

Join, or get beaten!

I did receive one (3, Informative)

DJ Rubbie (621940) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483395)

I have an hotmail account, and my cousin was able to send me a Gmail invite to that account a week ago. Perhaps the situation changed, I don't know.

Re:I did receive one (1)

Fruny (194844) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483530)

Perhaps the situation changed, I don't know.

Nope, I received one today.

Bullshit. (2, Informative)

Dark Lord Seth (584963) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483399)

Just sent my hotmail account a mail from my gmail account. The message didn't bounce and arrived in my hotmail account just fine.

So at least hotmail isn't using dirty tactics.

blocking invites only? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9483408)

I just sent a test message from my gmail account to my hotmail address and got it right away.

/dev/null (2, Funny)

dimss (457848) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483412)

It looks like Hotmail staff finelly discovered procmail and /dev/null.

Re:/dev/null (1)

djwavelength (398555) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483494)

... or after their "upgrade" from BSD to 2000, the recycle bin!

Re:/dev/null (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9483574)

No, no, just unset HOST because that is more efficient.

Who cares about G-Mail? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9483415)

When am I gonna get my invite to meet G-man?

That party's been delayed for ages now.

Re:Who cares about G-Mail? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9483465)

When am I gonna get my invite to meet G-man? That party's been delayed for ages now.

Don't you mean G-spot? I mean, you're posting to Slashdot. Let's be realistic.

Rubbish (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9483422)


i recieved all of mine perfectly, i have no greedy filters set either

PEBKAC

It's happened to me! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9483425)

Sending my gf a sexy email no less!

(Oh, I probably should not have mentioned Viagra).

got mine (1)

eng69 (618859) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483430)

I just got my invite on saturday and it went into the bulk folder, but I have it specified that way. That night i sent out several emails to people all with hotmail accounts and they all recieved theirs

Unfortunate legal names (4, Funny)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483441)

It's possible that the blocking is happening because of some poor sap's unfortunate legal name. He might actually be named "Instant Winner", or "Free Vacation". Crazy hippies.

Been there, done that (1)

Horizon_99 (58767) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483452)

Had some problems sending to hotmail for a few hours last week but that's about it. I guess it's just hotmails spam filters trying to adapt to a new email domain sending thousands of email to its customers.

Growing pains are to be expected.

it's true (-1, Offtopic)

Moblaster (521614) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483457)

Apparently Microsoft developed a very powerful pop-up blocking technology (NOCOM) that they could not integrate into Internet Explorer due to anti-trust concerns (after all, SOMETHING had to be NOT integrated into the operating system). Thankfully, they managed to repurpose it into Hotmail, thereby avoiding a total loss of their investment.

Well.. hold on... (2, Interesting)

Mz6 (741941) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483459)

After reading most of these links (I know.. I actually RTFA), these blogs and other articles were posted months ago (back in April!). Perhaps they have since changed their ways after numerous postings about it?

Is this something new? (5, Insightful)

jrand (539209) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483461)

I invited someone with a hotmail address about a week ago, and they accepted with no problem. So unless they've suddenly changed their policy after the first several thousand invites went out, this is an isolated email problem reported on one person's weblog. Spam filters moving the invite into a bulk mail folder is to be expected - it is an automatically generated email sent out in bulk, after all.

Blog crap (5, Informative)

JohnGrahamCumming (684871) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483477)

So the core of this Slashdot "article" is some posting on one guy's blog about losing a invitation he sent to his girlfriend. And that's been extrapolated into "Hotmail blocks Gmail".

If you read the blog article the writer blows all credibility when he reveals that someone just told him about the "Sent Folder":

Update: Thanks to everyone telling me to check the Sent folder. I can at least retrieve the invites now.

When are people going to realize that blogs are the equivalent of public urination on the web. People post stream of consciousness bullshit dressed up as "information" or even "facts" and because it's on a blog, well then, it must be true.

John.

Maybe, maybe not (2, Informative)

cemaco (665884) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483479)

Not that I would put it beyond Microsoft to block a competitor, but if you RTFA you see that a possible reason for the invites being bounced is that they are being picked up by the spam filters.

http://www.gizmodo.com/archives/is-hotmail-block in g-gmail-invitations-015942.php

OMG CENSORSHIP! (2, Interesting)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483482)

Sorry but this came right out the box of Microsoft's dirty tricks. If you can't get your e-mail then you can't switch services, microsoft already has to deal with Linux, why not shut out Gmail while we're at it? At least this time it won't cost a small company millions because Microsoft didn't like them. I just wonder how many people will sue when they lose money through Ebay when buying one and it never arriving.

Re:OMG CENSORSHIP! (1)

duffbeer703 (177751) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483578)

Sit very still and slowly turn around. The Microsoft gremlins are monitoring you right now!

The only protection from their mind-control rays is a tinfoil hat. Get one while you still can!

Hogwash (1, Informative)

RestiffBard (110729) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483489)

I just sent an invite to my niece last night. Went through fine. Put away the tinfoil.

Making a big deal out of nothing... (5, Insightful)

404 Clue Not Found (763556) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483501)

I got an gmail invite sent to my Hotmail account the other day. I couldn't see it in my inbox, so what did I do? Went to the Bulk Mail folder, and there it was.

The lesson is simple: Hotmail's spam filter sucks. Legitimate mail gets tagged as spam all the time, and real spam gets through to the inbox even more often.

It's not some great anti-gmail conspiracy, just another sensationalist Slashdot story.

Please note: I've not been able to verify this one (2, Funny)

jotaeleemeese (303437) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483510)

Or in other words, you are practicing the old time honoured passtime of spreading a rumour.

Great work.

Worked for me... (1)

Otto (17870) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483514)

As recently as last week. I got a g-mail invite to my hotmail account, signed up, and am now using gmail. Works fine.

Take off your tinfoil hats (5, Informative)

orthogonal (588627) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483527)

It's already well-documented that Yahoo moves Gmail invites into the Bulk Mail folder. I've personally confirmed the Hotmail and Yahoo blocking.

Much as I enjoy wearing my tinfoil hat, I think it can be dispensed with here.

Both Hotmail and Yahoo mail have been plagued with spam, and with users demanding they do something about that spam. Indeed, that's one reason people are interested in GMail.

Since almost all spam -- anything we think of spam, anyway -- arrives in mass quantities, and a logical way to reduce spam is simply to look for many addresses receiving the same email.

So a decent first cut at filtering bulk spam (and recall that both Yahoo and Hotmail use "bulk mail" folders) would be to take an MD5 sum of each email (not including the "To" address header lines, of course), stick the sum in hash table or other database, and increment a counter for each email with that MD5 sum. Once the counter reached some arbitrary large-ish number, you'd mark all copies of that emails spam.

Since the GMial invite varies slightly, it's clear that something fuzzier than an MD5 sum is being used, but the principle remains the same.

The first N GMail invites weren't marked as "bulk email"; after the counter threshold was reached, all the rest have been.

So all we've learned from this is that, even during this invite-only beta test, GMail must be sending out a hell of a lot of invites, and that, yes indeed, Hotmail and Yahoo customers demanded and got "bulk email" filtering.

So take off the tinfoil hats -- you'll have a real reason to wear them soon enough [usdoj.gov] .

my hotmail/gmail experiences (2, Informative)

quintesson (118019) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483532)

I had an invite sent to my Hotmail address yesterday, and it arrived safely in my inbox within seconds. However, a message I sent from my Gmail account to somebody else's Hotmail went into their 'Junk Mail' folder.

Either way, I'm sure Microsoft will rectify this situation, or risk losing customers.

Riddler (1)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483545)

Mr. Brin is becoming Mr. BrinNigma, or the Riddler. I can imagine him sitting in a huge throne, with GOOGLE carved into the throne's back and a stream of green binary data flowing from a CISCO switch right into his head, while Serge is laughing demonically. After all, information is what makes one powerfull.

Maybe M$ sees itself as a Batman of some sort ;)

BS (1)

op00to (219949) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483551)

Nothing like a little /. FUD, eh?

Just sent emails from gmail to Yahoo and gmail to Hotmail, both went through almost immediately.

Next!

2 month correspondence (1)

zpiderz (646360) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483552)

I've been corresponding through my gmail account with a distant friend who has a hotmail address for about 2 months. He has had no trouble receiving any of my e-mails. The submitter's situation, however, seems legitimate.

Just tested it out... (1, Redundant)

fr0z (658466) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483554)

...and it worked perfectly. I was able to get the invite in my Hotmail Inbox. So unless there are people with differing experiences, I'd say this is an over-reaction :)

I don't know about everyone else... (0, Redundant)

gilxa1226 (464588) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483564)

but it worked just fine for me today.

btw this:
You are currently using 0 MB (0%) of your 1000 MB.

is a lot nicer to see than 10% used in hotmail for 6 e-mails, none of which are html or have pics.

Can anyone login to gmail currently? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9483566)

Can anyone login to gmail currently? I got my invite in hotmail this morning, signed up, but gmail keeps saying: " Gmail is temporarily unavailable. Cross your fingers and try again in a few minutes. We're sorry for the inconvenience."

Sucks :(

They don't do even these things right now X-( (1)

vijaya_chandra (618284) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483567)

What's happening to Microsoft? Where is its aggressiveness going?

I am disappointed that MS is not doing even this one properly. I just copy pasted the link from a second gmail invitation that I received and sent to my brother's hotmail account and he received it just fine

A gmail invitation mail would include a link that'd be like
http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-1a2b3c4d5e-1 a2b3c4 d5e
(No this one wouldn't work unless I am god or you are)
Till /gmail/ it would be common; then a character (I have seen only 'a's till now), followed by a '-', then 10 characters and then again a '-' and 10 characters

Damn!!! Is it that difficult to search for such a pattern in a mail and hijack it??

I am disappointed MS, I am seriously disappointed

(Opera or GMail!?! I cho(o)se Opera)

Gmail invite (4, Informative)

Dracolytch (714699) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483576)

A Gmail invite came to my Yahoo account just fine.

Just so y'all know: I used http://www.gmailswap.com to get the invite. Thanks guys!

~D

not the first time (1)

phreakv6 (760152) | more than 10 years ago | (#9483577)

This is not the first time Micro$oft does something stupid to counter competetors.Search for XFree86 in msn search used to result in pr0n links.

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