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Babylon 5 Creator Pitches Trek

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the fanboy-drool dept.

Sci-Fi 868

pdawerks writes "According to Sci-Fi Wire, Babylon 5 creator J. Michael Straczynski told fans on a B5 Usenet group that he and Dark Skies creator Bryce Zabel have put together an idea for a new Star Trek series, which he said would revive the ailing franchise. 'I got together [with Zabel] and wrote a treatment earlier this year that specified how to save [Star Trek] and develop a series that would restore the series in a big way,' Straczynski wrote. 'I actually think it could be a hell of a show. Whether that ever goes anywhere with Paramount, who knows?'"

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What Star Trek needs (4, Insightful)

MoxCamel (20484) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486386) a rest. For about 10 years. I don't say that unkindly...I like Star Trek, but familiarity breeds contempt. Only time can make it fresh at this point. Well that and interesting characters, decent writing, and fewer solutions that involve reversing the polarity of something and shooting it out the deflector. But I digress.

Re:What Star Trek needs (1, Interesting)

Planesdragon (210349) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486552)

You obviously don't watch Enterprise.

Re:What Star Trek needs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9486562)

In tandem with the paranoid dilutions (tinfoil hat crowd) that make up your sig, your argument holds no water.

Consider changing your sig if you want to post anything remotely "insightful" in the future.

Re:What Star Trek needs (1)

l1gunman (463233) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486638)

Or... you could learn the difference between "paranoid dilutions" which means exactly shinola, or "paranoid delusions", which has a real meaning (which I'll guess you intended), though I'm still not sure how "insightful" or additive it would be even if used correctly.

Re:What Star Trek needs (5, Interesting)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486588) a rest. For about 10 years. I don't say that unkindly...I like Star Trek, but familiarity breeds contempt. Only time can make it fresh at this point.

BEEP! Wrong!

Think back to when ST:TNG came out. It was slick to look at, but the stories were very tame and seemed to dwell heavily on gizmos and soap opera moments. Time did the show no favors. After the first season I gave up on following it regularly, and checking in from time to time found it getting scarcely better (about 20 minutes of material stretched into 1 hour show most of the time.)

It needs to get back to its roots. Let the characters have flaws, let them make mistakes. Put irony and humor into it in difficult situations. Make the leaders make difficult choices. Make it interesting again with good stories, not practically perfect people and a lot of references to Shakespeare.

Heck, Klingons were a cold-war type adversary -- make up some nasty race like Al Qaeda and have the characters discuss how the federation got into a mess with them and try to find a way out of it.

Perhaps just a total re-engineering... (4, Insightful)

sterno (16320) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486602)

I think you might be right, but if anybody could salvage Star Trek, it's Straczynski. Babylon 5 is truly one of the best though out sci-fi programs to have aired on television. His focus on a defined and limited story arc really gave the show a sense of purpose from week to week that I think is totally lacking in most of the Star Trek spinoffs.

The biggest problem, I believe, with Star Trek is that they've tended to let the show ride on random events rather than running plots. The times when they have gone to more of a story arc they have made the shows far more worthwhile.

Enterprise has done this to some extent over the last season, tracking down the Xindi and it really helped give the show some energy. Deep Space nine had the same sort of thing happen when they had the shape shifter backed armada coming to wipe out their part of the galaxy. ST:TNG has the Borg and a few other running threads.

But overall, with Star Trek, these runing plots have always felt kinda tacked on. Something to drive a season finale, etc. I think starting a new series with a defined story arc over a fixed period like they did with Babylon 5 would really do well.

For example, perhaps do a series that's entirely focussed on the events that take place during the creation of a peace accord with the Klingons. Pick some key moment in federation history and depict it's course over a period of time. Project star trek out into the future and have some run in with a new species perhaps? What about a major civil war with the federation? There's a lot that can be done with this that could really make for an interesting show.

But anyhow, if they want to go that direction and really freshen the show, I think they can. If they try to crank out yet another bland spinoff, it's going to fail. So if they don't want to try something truly new with it, they need to mothball it for like 20 years. Then they can go back and do the same tired old concept again.

Re:What Star Trek needs (1)

proverbialcow (177020) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486644)

Which is why I only watch every other series now. :)

I loved TNG, couldn't stand DS9, Voyager had its moments, and now I don't even bother with Enterprise.

I'll give a Trek series by JMS a shot, though. Enough Rick berman and Brannon Braga already!

Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor not a scriptwriter! (5, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486387)

What is so tiring about Star Trek? Well, when I've watched it it's extremely dull in that the stories don't challenge me to think. The original series challenged a lot of commonly held social values, sometimes having a hard time getting past network Standards & Practices censors. If they make the episodes topical to today's world issues they should certainly stir more interest as people either think to themselves 'Yeah, that's right, that is unfair!' or 'No, that's better the way it is, we shouldn't change!' There are hot issues out there and if they take them on and use the set and actors as the method and galaxy as the vehicle, they should have no problem getting people fired up about the series. Viewers become more passionate about a show when there's something they have at stake being bandied about.

"Captain, it's a planet where they allow men to marry men and women to marry women!"
"Well, that's something Earth had to recognise as a fundamental human right..."
"But, Captain, they're doing it in polygamus unions!"
"WHAT!?!? Helm to starboard! Weapons officer, load all topedo tubes! Raze their capitol!!"

Re:Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor not a scriptwriter! (4, Interesting)

zombiestomper (228123) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486541)

On the topic of timliness of Trek, I'm reminded of a two-parter DS9 that seemed almost prophetic.

It's after the Dominion has started to make in-roads to the alpha quadrant that Cisco and Odo go back to earth to head up security.

During the course of events, it becomes clear that a high-ranking Starfleet official is using the paranoia surronding the possibility of 'changling' terrorist attacks to repeal rights and declare martial law on earth.

Seeing it on SpikeTV a month or so ago, it really struck a nerve with the current state of affairs and the 'Patriot' Act.

Re:Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor not a scriptwriter! (4, Informative)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486637)

During the course of events, it becomes clear that a high-ranking Starfleet official is using the paranoia surronding the possibility of 'changling' terrorist attacks to repeal rights and declare martial law on earth.

Similar to one of the Orig. Star Trek movies, the one where effectively a cabal of military and diplomats try to keep the Klingon - Federation rivalry going.

Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country

Re:Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor not a scriptwriter! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9486598)

"raze their capitol"? They'd be speaking this out loud, you know.

Re:Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor not a scriptwriter! (1)

rabel (531545) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486614)

Ok, so I know this is /., but I've found the best show on TV (to my knowledge) that challenges beliefs on a weekly basis is Joan of Arcadia [] .

Oh come on, don't flame the non-sci-fi aspect of this show. If you liked some of the challenges that Star Trek TOS gave to the viewer (ok, so a little ham-handedly and with horrible acting), you would probably enjoy JoA.

Hell, I'm a devout athiest and I really enjoy the show. Give it a viewing before you flame me!

Ok, if it helps, the main character is hot [] .

Re:Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor not a scriptwriter! (3, Insightful)

WarriorPoet42 (762455) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486645)

How about "The Outcast" (TNG 217), which features a unisexual race where angrogyny is manditory. Until one falls in love with Riker. 'She' makes a passionate speech about how what matters is not one's gender or lack thereof, but the emotion in ones heart.

Or "The Host" (TNG 97), where Dr. Crusher falls in love with a visiting ambassador. When he dies, it is revealed he is a Trill, part of a symbiotic species. The humanoid is merely the host for a worm-like creature that stores the memories and emotions of all previous hosts. The next host of her lover turns out to be a woman. A woman who still loves Beverly . . .

Or "Hide and Q" (TNG 111), where Riker is given the godlike power of the Q Continuum, and most realise for himself that "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absoloutly."

I could go on, but I don't think it's really necessary, as these are just the ones of the top of my head about a series that hasn't been first run in a decade.

This is great! (1, Interesting)

scumbucket (680352) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486389)

New title of series: Start Trek: ?

Re:This is great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9486435)

New title of series: Start Trek: ?

Star Wrek

BSD pitches gorgeous geek girlie! (-1, Troll)

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No shit! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9486396)


Heres a treatment (2, Interesting)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486398)

Put it in stasis for 20 years. It will be a lot fresher to a new generation when it come out.

Re:Heres a treatment (2, Funny)

CaptnMArk (9003) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486420)

And destroy all copies of Enterprise and Voyager, at least.

Re:Heres a treatment (1)

pezpunk (205653) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486619)

the first two seasons of enteriprise, i'll grant you weren't that great, but this third season i thought was really a big step up.

Wil Wheaton is very excited about this (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9486400)

As the series centers around Wesley's travels around the galaxy as a higher being.

-- Not Wil Wheaton

Re:Wil Wheaton is very excited about this (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486481)

As the series centers around Wesley's travels around the galaxy as a higher being.

That or a better looking for the next installment of Stone Trek []

Ya know... (3, Interesting)

MisanthropicProgram (763655) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486512)

you have an idea that I've been thinking of for a while.

That episode of ST:TNG was one of the most spiritual. Here's Wesley, trying to be like his Dad. He finally figures out that he's not his dad and his destiny is somewhere/something else. I'm kind of disappointed that he had to be turned into a demigod of sort, but the underlying(grammar?) theme is all the same - he has to become his own man.

Think about it, Star Trek is all about being in Star Fleet. What if you don't want to be in Star Fleet in the Star Trek universe? Do you go around and work for the Forangi(sp?)?

There's a lot to be done still with the ST Universe.

DS9 explored similar questions (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9486546)

Jake Sisko didn't want to be in Starfleet like his father, he wanted to be a news reporter/writer... and he was able to follow that, even staying on the station during Dominion occupation. The father/son thing has actually been a big part of a lot of characters.

An idea for the pilot... (5, Funny)

D-Cypell (446534) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486403)

If the writers are reading this I have an idea for the pilot.

Captain Archer of enterprise saves the life of a crew mate and SUDDENLY disappears in a flash of blue. He awakes to find himself trapped in the past, facing mirror images that are not his own...

I know what you guys are thinking...

"OH.... BOY"

Re:An idea for the pilot... (2, Funny)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486525)

Hey, "Shadow Out of Time" was one of my favorite HP Lovecraft stories, too! Good idea!

Re:An idea for the pilot... (1)

p0 (740290) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486527)

dude, pilot? or do you mean the plot?

Re:An idea for the pilot... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9486623)

No, he means pilot.

Re:An idea for the pilot... (3, Insightful)

dknight (202308) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486555)

that is precisely the reason I cant watch Enterprise.

I keep expecting Al to show up with his little tricorder dealie.

Also, WTF was up with the last episode of Quantum Leap? Worst series-ending EVER!

Re:An idea for the pilot... (1)

AviLazar (741826) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486646)

I missed it, what happend?

Re:An idea for the pilot... (1)

jjjolton (790173) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486647)

That's kinda what I thought would happen in the season finale - I mean, he wakes up and sees an alien Nazi. If that doesn't scream "Quantum Leap," and an "Oh boy" capper, I don't know what will. Suffice it to say, in that one moment, they lost me as a viewer.

I've got an idea to save Trek... (5, Insightful)

Hiro Antagonist (310179) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486408)

...have Rick Berman shot, drawn, quartered, and then really hurt. That man has done nothing but ride the noble stallion, passed on by Roddenberry, that was once Star Trek to death, and after the horse died, Berman has been beating the fucker with a stick for a few years.

Re:I've got an idea to save Trek... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9486499)

I don't know, do you think this goes far enough?

Re:I've got an idea to save Trek... (2, Insightful)

Jhon (241832) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486545)

In my opinion, Roddenberry was somewhat holding back what TNG could be -- it may have been a coincedence that TNG started to get good after Gene passed, but I'm not too sure.

That said, Berman and Bragga are the 'anti-roddenberries'.

Want to revive Trek? Get red of B&B. Do a well-done mini-series on Star Fleet academy -- hell, Scotty could be teaching an engineering class and finally REALLY retire. Run a series spinnoff from characters introduced there -- if it's popular.


Roddenberry should get some of the blame (5, Interesting)

Badam (222642) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486642)

Well, there's a limit to how much I'm going to build up the myth of Roddenberry. After all, his insistence that there were no sane villians or informed disagreements -- Roddenberry insisted all conflict was caused by insanity or ignorance -- meant that Next Generation was pretty dull in the first two seasons.

This belief of his is also why Star Trek is chock full of evil madmen, but has few interesting large scale conflicts.

It was only as Roddenberry gave up control of the series that the show became more dramatic. Roddenberry was deeply uncomfortable with the idea of the Borg, and presumably he would have hated the way Deep Space Nine went once the Dominion War began.

I've always thought it would be great if there were a Federation Civil War. After all, the Federation appears to have an incredibly weak central government (that Prime Directive has actually been invoked to describe why the central government can't interfere with a member planet) and the Federation is spread over a large area, with only slow travel between the edges (apparently, it would take years to cross the Federation).

But because of Roddenberry's guiding principles, that'll probably never happen. "Enlightened people of the future will never fight each other."


Oh Happy Day! (4, Insightful)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486409)

What irritated me the most about Berman ruining the Star Trek universe was that it had so much great potential. And he just pissed it away. This could be something very, very cool. I really think that these guys, for lacking of a better description, get it.

Current Catalog of Conservative Criminality (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9486416)

* There is a grand jury investigation into the leaking of the name of then-undercover CIA agent Valerie Plame's name to the media by "senior White House officials". John Ashcroft recused himself from the case, and the investigation has so far centered on the Office of the Vice-President.

* Bush's Medicare scam and the circumstances that led the administration to lie to Congress about the cost of that legislation is under investigation by the Health and Human Services Inspector General's office.

* Bribes offered on the House floor to Rep. Nick Smith (R-Mich.) in exchange for his vote on Bush's Medicare plan are under investigation by the House Ethics Committee and the Justice Department.

* Republican staffers on the Senate Judiciary Committee are being investigated for stealing thousands of confidential memos from Democratic staffer's computers, a matter that has now been referred to the Justice Department for a criminal probe.

* In 2000, now Attorney General John Ashcroft was found by the Federal Election Commission to have broken campaign finance laws when he accepted $110,000 in what were determined to be illegal contributions.

* An investigation into House Majority Leader Tom DeLay's criminal fundraising schemes in Texas -- which allegedly used corporate funds to help state GOP lawmakers -- is already before a Texas grand jury. DeLay has notified his colleagues that a grand jury indictment is possible, and that he may be forced to step down as Majority Leader.

* Republican Connecticut Gov. John Rowland resigned from office after facing a criminal investigation and an impeachment proceedings after he lied about prominent state contractors and several government aides paying for refurbishments to his lake-front cottage. He was also involved in a failed loan plan involving $220 million in state funds.

* California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger was found guilty of violating state campaign finance laws. The state has a $100,000 cap on candidate loans; Schwarzenegger loaned himself over $4 million in the closing days of his campaign.

* Former Rep. Bill Janklow (R-S.D.) was convicted of vehicular manslaughter after running a stop sign and killing a motorcylcist.

* There are several investigations into criminal activities by Halliburton Co., including:

- A Justice Department "inquiry into whether Halliburton Co. was involved in the payment of $180 million in possible kickbacks to obtain contracts to build a natural gas plant in Nigeria during a period in the late 1990's when Vice President Dick Cheney was chairman of the company". (Newsweek, Feb 4 2004)

- An SEC investigation is underway into $180 million worth of bribes paid by Halliburton subisidary Kellogg, Brown, and Root to the government of Nigeria for gas contracts also during a period when Dick Cheney was chairman.

* Also under Cheney's leadership, Halliburton was found by the Treasury Department to have done business with both Iran and Iraq during a period when both nations were under US and (in the case of Iraq) UN sanctions.

* The forged documents that led Bush to inaccurately claim that Iraq had sought to purchase uranium from Niger are under investigation by both a Senate committee and the FBI.

* John Korsmo, Bush's choice to chair the Federal Housing Finance Board, is the target of an ongoing Justice Department criminal probe related to his political fundraising activities and their subsequent cover-up. The scandal cost Korsmo his career; he was forced to resign from his position in March 2004.

* The Texas GOP's decision to seek assistance from the FAA to track down Democratic lawmakers fleeing the state to deny a legislative quorum was the subject of two formal inquiries -- one from the U.S. Department of Transportation, the other from the Department of Homeland Security.

* The General Accounting Office ruled that the White House broke two federal laws when they used $100 million in public funds to pay for the broadcast of "video news releases": fake news pieces which contained false information about the alleged benefits of Bush's Medicare plan.

* The Treasury Department's inspector general's office has launched a "preliminary" investigation into whether officials were misused to calculate data for GOP talking points on John Kerry's tax proposals.

* The Federal Election Commission fined the National Republican Congressional Committee after it determined that the GOP illegally transferred donations to outside independent groups for assistance in the 2000 campaign. The NRCC was fined $280,000.

* There are both Senatorial and military investigations into the torture and murder that occured at Abu Ghraib prison, in military prisons in Afghanistan, and the military base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. A legal memorandum drawn up in August of 2002 by White House legal counsel sought to provide a legal basis for the torture, effectively placing the president above the rule of law. More recently, two-star Army General George Fay requested that he be replaced with a more senior officer because he is not high enough in rank to interview everyone necessary (military procedures forbid lower ranking officers from interviewing more senior ones.)

Re:Current Catalog of Conservative Criminality (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9486561)

So what? It's our fucking country now. We'll do what we want with it. Get up against the wall and await your trial.

B5 (4, Insightful)

CmdrMooCow (213594) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486418)

If he has enough ideas to make another trek show, he might as well spend the time to create another series in the B5 universe - it will be better received.

The Crusade Recycling Project? (1)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486521)

well, JMS did try a Trek-like B5 followup that didnt quite pan out -- Babylon Project Crusade.

If he put as much planning for Crusade as he did for B5, there's a lot of ideas for him to recycle into a new ST series.

He is... (2, Informative)

jedijacket (614666) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486573)

"One oddity...constant readers will remember a while back when I was asked what TMoS was, and I provided a list of things it *wasn't*. The aforementioned oddity of those things has come up as an adjunct to TMoS."

Other clues he's posted tell us this is "The Memory of Shadows" a possible movie/miniseries/something.

1 of the relevant JMS News postings []

Also mentioned is info on Crusade DVDs and a new book series.

Re:B5 (1)

sql*kitten (1359) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486627)

series in the B5 universe

Who cares about B5? Bring back Firefly!!

PLEASE (0, Flamebait)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486431)

ANYTHING except this nonsense about history needing a DUMBASS. I mean really! Archer goes around, screwing up everything in his path, gets all "in-your-face" pissy over his stupid DOG, then somehow is a requirement to the founding of the FEDERATION? God! No wonder we haven't heard about Archer before! Everyone tried to forget the fact that HISTORY NEEDS A DUMBASS.

Enterprise... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9486433)

is a disgrace. I couldn't bear watching it - this from a die hard Trek Fan. I hear it has gotten better, but I'm not sure I believe it...

Scott Bakula should have started making Quantum Leap episodes again.

Re:Enterprise... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9486501)

I accidentally caught an episode the other day, and was absolutely amazed at how bad the show is - the thing that really caught me was how the ships "supply guy" is running around buying grocery bags of fruit for the crew - what, is he going to give everybody a single fucking orange slice as their share? Come on... If you can't even get something as simple as procuring fruit right, what are the chances of having a plot...???

May I be the first to ask (0, Troll)

kunudo (773239) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486436)

Why the fuck was this posted in science? :)

Star trek is just a soap series for geeks...

Re:May I be the first to ask (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9486509)

And wasn't there something else space-related that happened today, that's not fictional and not fifteen years past anyone caring?

If anyone can save Star Trek... (4, Insightful)

Conspiracy_Of_Doves (236787) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486438)

...from Berman, Straczynski can.

I second that. (1)

Faust7 (314817) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486613)

Straczynski can.

In-freaking-deed. The Babylon 5 storyline possesses breadth and depth that cement the show's place as a rare science-fiction treasure, on the level of anything concocted by Bradbury or Clarke. We are not likely to see anything of that level of accomplishment for a long time--at least on television.

That said, if Straczynski were to work with Paramount, and Paramount didn't get their stupid clumsy hands into his game... he would have a very, very good chance of pulling Star Trek out of the hellpit it's been in for the last several years. It might not be Babylon 5 caliber, and it definitely wouldn't be Star Trek the way anyone was expecting, but it would be a damned good story and a damned good show.

Just what I've been saying for ages (1)

fiannaFailMan (702447) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486641)

What Trek seems to suffer from is a lack of continuity, it strikes me as a show that was made up as it went along. Sure there was some continuity with series-long arcs and so on, but in general the overall story was not planned out because, well, there was no overall story. Except maybe for Voyager, but the plot of that overall story wasn't exactly a complex one.

No. What Trek needs is a writer of JMS's calibre to plan a five-year arc with all manner of arcs, loops, time-travel paradoxes, and an epic scope to blow the viewer's mind in the same way that B5 did.

Star Trek: Just another soap? (1)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486440)

I sure hope it goes someplace because the current incarnation is little more than recycled soap opera story lines in a pseudo-science fiction format.

change the reference (5, Funny)

SethJohnson (112166) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486444)

To ensure the survival of the Star Trek franchise, please stop referring to it as 'ailing'. Instead, use the word 'beleaguered'. Seems to have worked wonders for Apple.

Netcraft Confirms It! (1)

MuMart (537836) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486584)

... etc, etc

Holy shit, B5 always rocked ST (3, Interesting)

AmVidia HQ (572086) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486447)

I've watched every single ep of B5 (plus the mini movies), as well as Voyager (one of the ST series with consistently good eps). I must say the continuity and depth of the B5 storyline, as well as the most excellent script writing (entire dialog of "In the Beginning", a mini movie, are written and published as a novel).

I can't wait to see Straczynski take up a new ST series. He's one who can revive the ST franchise.

Are you on crack? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9486516)

Voyager (one of the ST series with consistently good eps)

Which Voyager were you watching?

Re:Holy shit, B5 always rocked ST (1)

DARKFORCE123 (525408) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486590)

as well as Voyager (one of the ST series with consistently good eps)

Did you watch those in the Mirror Universe by any chance ?

Re:Holy shit, B5 always rocked ST (1)

Sunspire (784352) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486621)

I suspect the reason I don't watch the new Star Treks is the same as many others. I simply don't care what happens, nothing seems to progress, they go places and kill people and I don't care! Everything is neatly wrapped up in a single episode, if we're lucky we get a two-parter. Whoopie...

The networks put out this lukewarm tripe because figure that's what their couchpotato public wants. But it's obviously not working, since the ratings are at an all time low. So give me epic adventure for a change. Don't plan your show to go on and on without direction, give it a clear beginning, a solid middle and most importantly, an kick-ass WOW end. If your crappy episode ends in the same state it began in, you've basically just wasted forty minutes of my time! Kill a few main characters, not because they want a different gig, but because it makes sense for the story arc. Blow up some planets, live a little. Whenever a scriptwriter suggest timetravel as a plot device, fire the bastard. And I totally agree with the poster above who said the original series was cool because it challenged conventions in its time. If you're not pissing someone off, you're doing it wrong.

Crew chemistry to win fan-base (4, Insightful)

geordi177 (732884) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486453)

Star Trek TNG was the best series by far. What made it great was the chemistry of the crew. Enterprise has lost ratings, in my opinion, due to the crew simply not having good's just not as believable a show because the interactions of the crew seem contrived at times. The captain, especially, puts too much effort into his acting. Patrick Stewart captured the fans because of his ability to convince the audience he wasn't faking it (like any good actor incidentally) Any new series would really have to focus on crew chemistry to gain a fan base

Re:Crew chemistry to win fan-base (2, Funny)

MisanthropicProgram (763655) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486580)

Pactrick Stewart has a lot of sex appeal - at least that's what women have told me!

Ok, I admit it! I'd like to be like Picard!

Re:Crew chemistry to win fan-base (1)

g0bshiTe (596213) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486650)

Look at the backgrounds Picard played by Stewart a Sheakespearean actor and Sam played by Scot Bakula of Quantam Leap fame.

Ok who wanted to compare apples and oranges?

Star Trek Died When McCoy Died (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9486456)

The show is dead! McCoy was the show and he's gone!

Give it up!

Why do I have a feeling... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9486457)

that this is going to ride the wave and give us:
Str Trek:CSI
I really need to sell my TV.

Re:Why do I have a feeling... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9486577)

Law and Order: Star Trek

Great... Just what Trek needs... (1)

cnelzie (451984) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486458)

...a really dry, drawn out storyline that doesn't get interesting until AFTER it scares away people that want a tad bit more excitement a little less exposition as well as a little less 'Look at the size of my ego' of Babylon 5... ...meshed with the remains of a decent premise, but poorly executed show about Alien Invaders in the 1960's and the young American Couple that works to stop them!


Re:Great... Just what Trek needs... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9486500)

well, it beats the snot out of current Star Trek ;)

Stuff that really matters is (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9486459)

this []

Re:Stuff that really matters is (1)

g0bshiTe (596213) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486599)

HAHA Teal'c with hair. YEAH right! And O'neil will stop with the one liners I bet. Though I guess they did bring Daniel Jackass back.

Although you should never (1)

Tax Boy (75507) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486460)

Apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem, apparently you can apply a Babylon 5 solution to a Star Trek problem!

old school (1)

2057 (600541) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486462)

Let's a have a Star Trek with the original crazy plots involving midgets and special powers...

The BIG Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9486466)

Which chick will be cast as the crewmember with large breasts? Maybe Lindsay Lohan is looking for Star Trek work.

Re:The BIG Question (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9486531)

Which chick will be cast as the crewmember with large breasts? Maybe Lindsay Lohan is looking for Star Trek work.

If he keeps letting himself go like he has the last few years we could bring back William Shatner for that role.

Star Trek: 90210 (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9486470)

This show will follow a group of friends in a well-to-do Starship, their trials and tribulations, and the problems they encounter in growing up. It will show the world that being young, beautiful, rich ensigns on a Starship is not all fun all the time.

let me try to remember (5, Interesting)

alphan (774661) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486471)

Correct me if I am wrong, but here is what I remember :

Bab5 guy first went to Star Trek guys with the idea of Babylon 5. But they didn't accept the "space station" suggestion at that time, so Bab5 was born independently.

Later Star Trek guys came up with DS9. (no comments here)

Now, I wonder what will be different.

Re:let me try to remember (1)

T-Kir (597145) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486651)

I was thinking the same thing... and the rumour (at least the one I've seen over the years) was that JMS was a teensy but peeved at Paramount/Viacom because of this issue. It also reared its head when the DS9 finale came out and the parallels with 'Sleeping In Light' (Bab5 finale), given that Bab5 went for 5 years and DS9 for 7 (Bab5 finishing before DS9)... although JMS had the whole of Bab5 planned before it started filming, and the Paramount pitch may have included it.

Mind, it would be a great coup (for JMS) if something he pitched got taken on... especially in light of these past events. Although I'm still of the opinion that Trek needs a break, a LONG break... I stopped watching Enterprise half way through season 2 episode 1 and I don't envisage going back to it.

Just my 2 pence.

How about a reality show? (1)

griffitts (739673) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486482)

High school Trekker nerds being harassed by bullies. I'd watch that.

Re:How about a reality show? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9486496)

You're posting on Slashdot. Are you sure you're not already living it?

Joe Straczynski attacked by the brain eater! (-1, Flamebait)

taustin (171655) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486487)

Film at 11.

Free hint, Joe: If it doesn't suck, it ain't Star Trek.

bleh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9486489)

Star Trek is dead!

netcraft confirms it...

All teh world needs now is (3, Interesting)

g0bshiTe (596213) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486497)

One more FEKKIN Star Trek spinoff! How bout doing something useful! Like getting Farscape back!

JMS doing trek (5, Insightful)

ajs (35943) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486505)

JMS once talked about his doing a trek series. It was back in the hieght of B5 and someone asked him what he would do if Paramount handed him a Trek series. He said something along the lines of (can't find it on Google Groups right now): I'd start by getting away from the federation. Kill off a few people so the fans know that this is not going to be the same-old and then start to tell some interesting stories.

It was funny because he said that before Voyager and Andromeda (which was originally a Trek series about the fall of the Federation as Rodenbury had pitched it) came out, and the good points of BOTH of those series were exactly that: getting away from the Federation and establishing their own stories. Woefully Voyager just entrenched itself in its own static mythos and Andromeda as plagued by execs that couldn't stand how dark it was.

Personally I don't see JMS being able to play ball with Paramount. I think he'd last 3-6 months tops before he blew up at them and walked. He's just not enough of a political animial (his detractors would say he's too much of one) to be able to put up with it.

JMS's tolerance... (4, Insightful)

Faust7 (314817) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486556)

Personally I don't see JMS being able to play ball with Paramount. I think he'd last 3-6 months tops before he blew up at them and walked.

Babylon 5 was extraordinary for two reasons:

(1) An astronomically talented writer
(2) Said writer having complete creative control over the show

That is why Babylon 5 was able to be what it was: an utterly fantastic story stretched over five seasons. JMS himself has said that he had the general structure and philosophy of the story laid down from day one.

I don't see item #2 having a hell's chance of survival at Paramount, do you?

Can we finally have a Star Trek topic icon now? (5, Insightful)

motown (178312) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486514)

Come on Malda, this is "News for Nerds"! Trek is large enough to deserve a separate category icon (even dispite of "Star Trek: Enterprise").

I suggest either a picture of the Original TOS Enterprise (NCC-1701 without any suffix) flying towards the user or a Starfleet Emblem.

You know it makes sense!

Yes...The Shadows vs Q (2, Funny)

FerretFrottage (714136) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486518)

Let's get ready to rumble......

The Shadows lose (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9486574)

The Q are basically omnipotent. The Shadows were not. The Shadows lose.

Trek with a Plot??? (5, Funny)

doublem (118724) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486524)


Does that mean he'll solve that pesky "The universe resets at the end of every episode" bug?

And will be get the "Non-trivial character development" patch?


My lord, this would be cool. A Trek Series with a plot.

We haven't seen that in ages.

Here's an idea (3, Insightful)

jabber01 (225154) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486528)

Why not leave Trek in it's dilapidated, polarity-inverted Universe, and instead create another series in the Babylon 5 one?

Re:Here's an idea (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9486653)

Somehow I don't think that'll go over so well, considering how the last time they tried that (Crusade) they didn't even go a full season before it was cancelled.

Premise (4, Funny)

cynic10508 (785816) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486529)

It's a totally fresh concept. They're merging Star Trek and Babylon 5. It's Star Trek only with a space station instead of a... oh, nevermind...

Finally! Someone with skill (5, Insightful)

PierceLabs (549351) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486532)

Unlike others who think that Star Trek needs to go on 'vacation' I don't agree. There is little value to bringing Trek back 10 years from now if its going to be the same as it is today. Berman and Braga are a plague on the Trek franchise that needs to be removed. It is clear that they are too burned out on this franchise do anything useful. For goodness sakes, they have reduced the process of the founding of the Federation into a romp through time. Yeah, creating this massive Federation 'empire' is just too damn boring. I mean all the species, conflicts and technologies that would have to be created would just be too bland to watch.

The problem is with the writing, not the franchise. Its just not interesting anymore - and this latest travesty (Enterprise) is just adding insult to injury. Blue alien nazis? Someone get these clowns outta here :)

Somebody needed to pitch it. (2, Insightful)

orthogonal (588627) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486542)

Babylon 5 Creator Pitches Trek

Somebody needed to pitch it.

It's been really stinking up the place for a while.

(I actually watched the last half of the "Search for Spock" movie last night. Man, that dog did not improve with age -- not to mention that Bones and Scotty looked pretty aged when it first came out.)

Star Trek is a Sci-Fi Soap (2, Interesting)

nuggz (69912) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486548)

Star trek is/was just a Sci-Fi Soap.
Most episodes were a simple science fiction idea, combined with lots of character interaction and development.
Good characters made people identify and stick around.
An interesting idea, or bit of action would get people to pay attention and potentially buy in.

DS9 payed too much attention to the characters and lacked the variety of different ideas.
Voyager I thought did a pretty good job moving back to ideas and characters.

Enterprise I don't know, kinda stopped watching TV, this whole "grown up" life thing gets in the way a lot.

It looks like Trek may be fixed yet... (2, Interesting)

foxtrot (14140) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486550)

According to the article, Manny Coto is being handed the reins of Enterprise as the executive producer/"show runner". This is a good thing.

Rick Berman can't do it. He's proven it. Trek started heading downhill once Michael Piller quit running the show. Bringing in some new blood can only help.

I'd like to see a JMS-run Trek. If the powers that be stand back and let him run the show, or, heck, anybody with a track record better than Berman's, things will get better.

That said, there's something about Enterprise. I still watch it, and I'm still not sure why...


I watched..."The Cooler" last night... (2, Insightful)

greymond (539980) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486558)

And I think a great (paraphrased) line from it was

"...Nostalgia belongs in a museum...and you have to decide if you're running a museum, or you're running a Casino..."

Star Trek with Captain Kirk was new original and fun. Star Trek with Captain Picard was a great remake of the original. Star Trek Deep Space Nine seemed like the UPN-Space-Ghetto show and not so much of a Star Trek...Star Trek Voyager had an interesting premise, but the characters seemed to fall apart with me giving barely a rats ass if anything bad would have happened to them. Star Trek Enterprise is again a remake, but done in an original way much like Generations, but prequils don't hold my interest nearly enough as (good) sequels.

I think we've done enough with Star Trek and i'd rather see the creativeness go somewhere else. I liked a lot of the ideas behind shows like Babylon5, Farscape and (very very little) of Lexx. But the calibur of acting and dialogue wasn't always there. Stargate seems to be the only sci-fi show of this era that really impresses and I think has the ability to continue for a while, but we'll see, they have a new spin off coming along and it could totally suck without Macgyver.

Possibilities (1)

AviLazar (741826) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486576)

I would be interested in seeing the posibilities this brings up. With luck, political climate will not take control and the guys from B5 will be given a shot.
While I am not a viewer of B5 (ducking the boo's and hisses), it seems very popular so maybe they could enhance Enterprise (can't really hurt).
It's a shame, I am a big fan of Star Trek (use to watch it with my father every saturday) but it has slid downhil - and I don't lose any sleep if I miss episodes (I missed almost this entire season).
Btw, I have never read such funny posts as I have today on this thread!!! I wish I had some mod points :)

It's easy to save Enterprise, at least (1)

eexlebots (203658) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486579)

Bring back Ziggy!

"Sam, you won't believe what I'm about to tell you..."

Re:It's easy to save Enterprise, at least (1)

kennedy (18142) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486624)


man, i wonder how many /.'ers got that one ;)

Licensing- Rick Berman (1)

MisanthropicProgram (763655) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486617)

I've seen a lot about getting rid of Rick Berman.

My question: Why is he in control? He may own/control the rights and there's nothing to be done about it - even by Majel Baret.

Please ,Please prove me wrong!!!

Star Trek need more what? (5, Funny)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486620)

When the Enterprise is facing yet another crisis and someone suggests rerouting the coffee machine output through a highly focused baryeon ray and then reverse polarizing it through the deflector dish, instead of the usual "Yes that might just work" whats really needed is for more of the other crew members to adopt completely bemused expessions and ask "What the Fuck are you babbling about????", "Is this another one of your loon ideas that involves writing a subroutine in less than 3 seconds with your left hand?", or "through the what dish?, will that affect Sky Sports reception?". Why does no one ever says "what?" on Star Trek, no matter how preposterous the proposed solution, enquiring minds want to know.

Is this the amatuers in trek deal? (1)

aixguru1 (671173) | more than 10 years ago | (#9486631)

A friend of mine told me about a series of Star Trek that just released a pilot episode and is being looked at. It seems to be a continuation of the original series and will use amatuers as the crew and everything.

The one I am referring to is the Star Trek - New Voyages [] site.

Even though I share the same name as one of the actors who played in Trek, I'm not much of a follower. Maybe some others on Slashdot who are in the know could validate this?
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