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Transgaming releases "WineX" 4.0 "Cedega"

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the now-thats-a-strange-name dept.

Games 475

visy writes "Transgaming has opened a new site at today and are announcing WineX 4.0, now dubbed Cedega after a unique variety of grape. Transgaming claims Cedega allows "Windows ® games to seamlessly and transparently run under Linux, out-of-the-box, with outstanding performance and equivalent game-play". Will we see a new era of game compatibilty?"

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WINE (4, Funny)

ChupaThePirate (752263) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493674)

does that mean that wine is now an emulator? ;-O

New era (4, Insightful)

PhilippeT (697931) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493679)

Will we see a new era of game compatibilty

Or a new era of litigation

Re:New era (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493691)

Emulation aint illegal.... yet.

Re:New era (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493891)

No, but it COULD be considered a circumvention device.

"We made this game to play on Windows and X-boxen... now these Linux geeks have, totally without anyone's permission, made them play on everything including E-Z-Bake ovens! Which, in addition to being totally contrary to our intent, is in breach of the law!"

And so, as the grandparent says, a new era of lawsuits must ensue.

Re:New era (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493993)

Not really. For one thing you still need to own the original to install the game. Its not their doing nor its intent if someone uses a burnt copy. Secondly this program doesnt break anything thats encrypted so its not circumvating anything

Re:New era (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493867)

Your == second person posessive
You're == you are

Please, please read and memorize this.

City of Heroes? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493680)

Anyone care to discuss how well City of Heroes runs under Wine and it's offspring?

Some friends have been trying to get me to get a PC for this game, and I'd rather run Linux on it as opposed to Windows.

Re:City of Heroes? (1)

BJH (11355) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493955)

Mods: The parent post was not offtopic. Please remod appropriately.

BTW, I am also interested in how well City of Heroes may or may not run under Crossweavers, Wine, and/or WineX.

Support Codeweavers (2, Informative)

digitaltraveller (167469) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493682)

I buy Codeweavers [codeweavers.com] products. They give back to the community, unlike Transgaming.

Re:Support Codeweavers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493696)

Yeah, They should definately be punished for trying to turn a profit!

Re:Support Codeweavers (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493702)

"The issue of contributing back to the community always shadows every open-source project. Transgaming does contribute back, but there are restrictions. You can see them in the statement from Transgaming's webpage:

"The source code to TransGaming WineX (minus copy protection related code, for now) is available through VA Linux's SourceForge website. You can examine and modify it to your heart's content, you can watch the changes we make as we go, and you can participate in detailed development discussions on our mailing list. The only thing you can't do is redistribute WineX code for any commercial purpose. The WineX code is licensed under the Aladdin Free Public License, which prohibits commercial use of our work. If you wish to use WineX commercially, please contact our sales team to arrange for alternative licensing arrangements.

Once we have reached our subscription goals, we plan to release all of the WineX source code under the Wine license, which will allow it to be directly integrated with the core Wine project code hosted at www.winehq.com. Until then, we will periodically submit selected portions of our code for integration with the Wine project.""

Re:Support Codeweavers (5, Insightful)

etymxris (121288) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493736)

The only thing you can't do is redistribute WineX code for any commercial purpose.
That's not software libre.

Once we have reached our subscription goals, we plan to release all of the WineX source code under the Wine license, which will allow it to be directly integrated with the core Wine project code hosted at www.winehq.com.
Yeah, they've been saying that they were going to release everything from the beginning. Remember the beginning? As soon as they got enough money, they were going to distribute it for free for everyone. Well, after many bought into that, the promise changed. They liked making a profit. Nothing wrong with that, but people don't like being deceived, even when the initial promises are so ill conceived.

Re:Support Codeweavers (4, Informative)

mahdi13 (660205) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493884)

Are you saying that the CVS is incomplete? The only code that is 'removed' from the CVS is the CD-Copy-Protection code that is licensed and they are not allowed to distribute in a 'free source code' manner...

Only the binaries that they distribute under their subscription includes this code. Is it so bad that
A) they are trying to make ends meet (pay the bills)
and
B) keeping themselves from getting sued out of exisitance?

Re:Support Codeweavers (0, Redundant)

FuzzieNorn (203503) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493945)

CVS WineX is *not* under a Free Software license.

Re:Support Codeweavers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493979)

SO WHAT

Re:Support Codeweavers (1)

ospirata (565063) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493925)

"Once we have reached our subscription goals, we plan to release all of the WineX source code under the Wine license"

One of the main excuses at USSR to suppress individual rights was to "consolidate" the Soviet Union, against capitalism. They said all individual rights would be given back when they were safe of the any "western" threats.

As we all know, the individual rights came back only with the fall of USSR, about eighty years later.

My point: do not thurst these promisses like "when the right time comes". There will never be the rigth time to Transgaming. If they reach "subscriptio goals", their goals will get bigger.

Re:Support Codeweavers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493936)

My bet is that Transgaming defined "our subscription goals" as "our current # of subscribers + 1,000".

Don't hold your breath for that source code release.

Re:Support Codeweavers (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493707)

Troll

Re:Support Codeweavers (1)

datadriven (699893) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493737)

Does anyone know if crossover will/does run with X.org on slack. Photoshop stopped working on wine when I upgraded to slack 10 rc1.

Re:Support Codeweavers (1)

Dave2 Wickham (600202) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493901)

Works fine for me on Xorg, Slack 9.0 (CXOffice 3).

Support Wine (3, Informative)

ospirata (565063) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493774)

Codewearves gives back to community as much as Trasgaming: almost nothing.

Don't forget that Codeweavers products are closed source, different from Transgaming.

OK, Winex CVS version is not that compatible as commercial, but it is because of the proprietary parts.

The only true OS project is Wine.

Re:Support Wine (5, Informative)

Dave2 Wickham (600202) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493926)

They have to release all of their changes to the WINE tree (under the LGPL - they use the current tree), and they do. They also hire developers to work on WINE, and this can get merged back into the public tree (depending on whether it's accepted into CVS).

Just buy Windows you cheap asses ! (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493693)

Seriously, instead of trying to get a buggy emulator to work why don't you just install the games on a Windows partition.

Re:Just buy Windows you cheap asses ! (4, Interesting)

etymxris (121288) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493818)

Seriously, instead of trying to get a buggy emulator to work why don't you just install the games on a Windows partition.
I know this is a troll, but it is a question many ask in earnest. The answer is simple. Some people wish to enjoy at least a small portion of the cornucopia of applications developed for the Windows platform without supporting what they see as an evil company.

Even if TransGaming is not software libre, those who would use it have already made the choice to give up some of their freedom of use in exchange for enjoyment--very few games that would require WineX are themselves libre. However, one may wish to support the developer of a game without supporting an evil organization that they are associated with.

An analogous situation might be, for example, going to a live performance of a band rather than buying their CD in a store, as, presumably, the live performance gives a minimal amount, if anything, to the RIAA, while giving plenty to the band.

Re:Just buy Windows you cheap asses ! (3, Insightful)

carnivore302 (708545) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493990)

I know this is a troll, but it is a question many ask in earnest

Why would it be a troll? I think the original poster is raising a valid question.

Some people wish to enjoy at least a small portion of the cornucopia of applications developed for the Windows platform without supporting what they see as an evil company

I get so sick and tired of this anti Microsoft lobby. Microsoft is not an evil company, it's a company. Period.

But to answer the original posters question: there are reasons why someone would insist on running anything in linux:

It's the place where you might do most of your work. Maybe you have only one computer and rebooting frustrates you because it is slow.

You might feel safer from viruses etc.

But really, that's all I can think of. Me, I have four computers. Most run linux exclusively, but one is reserved for the few things I do in windows. Crossover and Transgaming or really no issues to me. I have a much better chance of getting windows programs and games working on windows than on linux, so why bother? Because I am supporting an evil company this way? Get real.

Too bad (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493697)

It's really a shame I won't ever get to use this, since Transgaming forced Gentoo to pull the packages for WineX from their distro.

Will Transgaming ever learn to work with the open source community instead of mearly tolerating its existance as an annoying necessity to business?

Re:Too bad (5, Insightful)

strange_harlequin (633866) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493722)

To be entirely fair, Transgaming didn't force gentoo to pull the packages, they asked them to pull the packages and gave their reasons. The gentoo developers respected that and complied.

You (and I) may disagree with Transgaming's reasons, but saying that they "forced" gentoo to pull the packages is unfairly implying harsh measures on Transgaming's part.

Re:Too bad (5, Insightful)

jarrettwold2002 (601633) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493821)

I just have this feeling of eerie double standard when it comes to open source. Microsoft sends a cease and desist letter (which is corporate for 'would you kindly remove 'x'') and the mighty winds of geek fury are raised. An open source developer does functionally the same thing, and it is laid in the 'it was justified' category.

Am I the only one that thinks that many corporate giants are not evil's kinsmen and don't ride a pale horse, and occasionally get things correct?

This is my observation and is only tangentially related to the parent.

Re:Too bad (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493886)

Too bad they didn't do "functionally the same thing" - if you'd taken the trouble to have a browse through Wine's source code, you'd see a slew of contributions from Transgaming.

This is *my* observation, and *directly* related to the parent in the interests of clearing up an instant judgement/misconception.

Re:Too bad (3, Insightful)

xoran99 (745620) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493733)

Just because you can't emerge it doesn't mean it can't be installed the old fashioned way, right?

Re:Too bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493765)

Transgaming asked Gentoo to remove WineX from their portage tree because it was defeating the purpose of having a free cvs version (for developers and experienced users) and then a fully supported commercial version. The Gentoo ebuild allowed people to install the a working cvs version with one command for free... which definately was not the intentent of the CVS version. If you really dont feel like paying for the software just use CVS... it may not be as easy as emerging it but it is still pretty dang easy

Re:Too bad (4, Informative)

gspr (602968) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493741)

I understand what you're saying, but Gentoo hasn't pulled all WineX packages from Portage. Transgaming forced them to remove the packages that fetched the open part of WineX from CVS and built it. If you are a Transgaming subscriber and use their binaries, there are still ebuilds for you.
I see your point though.

Re:Too bad (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493753)

It's trivially easy to grab the WineX CVS sources with a custom ebuild. Just search forums.gentoo.org and it'll be in your face in less time than it took you to write that gimmie, gimmie, gimmmieeeee MOOMMMY message *sighs*.

Re:Too bad (5, Informative)

srwalter (39999) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493754)

Transgaming only forced Gentoo to remove links to their CVS archive, which is publicly accessible. Their business model is based upon selling subscriptions to end users who want their product. The CVS repository is only there for developers, and they encourage developers to use it. Transgaming's argument is that having an ebuild that pulls from their CVS undermines their business model by giving end-users a free (as in beer) option to get releases.

Now, if they really wanted to be jerks, they could have just shut down their public CVS access. Seems to me, however, that politely asking (they didn't sue or anything) Gentoo to remove the ebuilds in question was a much nicer alternative. Could you explain what's wrong with this, exactly?

Re:Too bad (2, Insightful)

Dark Lord Seth (584963) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493780)

I've been wondering... IF Wine is a LGPL-ed product, then how can WineX exist without source code? I might be horribly wrong here, but doesn't the LGPL, like the GPL, force the creators of derivative works to make the source code available? I know they can just sod it all and only include sources with every CD they sell, that'd their right. But the person receiving that source code has the right to distribute it then, iirc.

Then again, it's the LGPL, so there might be something involved here that I'm not aware of. Mainly dealing with libraries. But I don't know if WineX uses just the Wine libraries or not. If they'd actually use a single line of Wine code ( instead of just using the libraries ) in their own sources, though, it'd be a LGPL-ed work, right?

Re:Too bad (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493795)

The original wine licence was more like the bsds, so when they got pissed off with people not contributing back they changed it.

WineX is a fork of the old code.

Re:Too bad (0, Troll)

Jacek Poplawski (223457) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493878)

IF Wine is a LGPL-ed product, then how can WineX exist without source code?

Ask BSD people. And also ask them why BSD is much better than GPL :->

Re:Too bad (2, Interesting)

Ender Ryan (79406) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493860)

Yeah, many people agree with you about Transgaming, and I understand and mostly agree. However, the original Wine license allowed them to do this, so there's really no point in complaining.

Transgaming has chosen a business-model that requires them to keep their source closed. I'm not sure they have a viable alternative for running a for-profit business.

So, I think the answer is absolutely no, they will never work with the open source community. They will continue to sell useful software to those willing to buy it.

Personally, I see Transgaming as a necessary evil, for a lot of people. They are helping many ditch Windows completely, while enabling them to still enjoy their #1 hobby.

But I still don't particularly like them :-/

Re:Too bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9494018)

ebuilds are trivial to write.
If you can't then find an old copy of the winex ebuild and modify it.

For those wondering how to pronounce it... (2, Informative)

dark-br (473115) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493700)



Cedega (Se-day-gah) - [noun] - a unique variety of grape used to make some of the finest Port Wines in the world;

Re:For those wondering how to pronounce it... (1)

twoslice (457793) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493727)

Cedega (Se-day-gah) - [noun] - a unique variety of grape used to make some of the finest Port Wines in the world;

So what they are saying is that it is the finest port of wine in the World...

Re:For those wondering how to pronounce it... (1)

FauxPasIII (75900) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493791)

>>Cedega (Se-day-gah) - [noun] - a unique variety of grape used to make some of the finest Port Wines in the world;

>So what they are saying is that it is the finest port of wine in the World...

Sokath, his eyes uncovered !

Re:For those wondering how to pronounce it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493959)

>>Sokath, his eyes uncovered !

I should unleash the Beast of Tanagra on your ass for such a reference. :-)

Sean Mondavi? (1)

bangular (736791) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493730)

Isn't that what Sean Mondavi wines used to produce their fine line of wines?

Re:For those wondering how to pronounce it... (5, Funny)

iapetus (24050) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493807)

Ironic, really, since WineX makes Ports less likely...

Re:For those wondering how to pronounce it... (4, Funny)

CdBee (742846) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493836)

So we're porting to wine instead of whining for ports?

Will we see a new era of game compatibilty? (-1, Redundant)

FrivolousPig (602133) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493703)

If so I'll be happy to ditch Windows, the only reason I use it at all is for gaming. Once Linux can run games and other programs that previously could only be run on Windows it will only be a matter of time before Linux becomes the dominant desktop OS.

Re:Will we see a new era of game compatibilty? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493894)

Is there a mod for stating the blatantly obvious or towing the slashdot line. This guy said absolutely nothing new, interesting or insightful. He might as well have copied his post from 16,000,000 other posts just like it.

Im confused. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493704)

So it supports games "under Linux, out-of-the-box, with outstanding performance and equivalent game-play." Wow, thats news. Oh wait, I installed CoD out of the box, and got better fps than on my XP box. How exactly is that news?

Maybe more games with more features (like shaders), but overall compatability is just the same, isn't it? Am I missing something?

You keep using that word... (-1, Troll)

sporty (27564) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493710)

Outstanding performance, eh?

Definition of outstanding...

1. Standing out among others of its kind; prominent. See Synonyms at noticeable.
2. Superior to others of its kind; distinguished.
3. Projecting upward or outward; standing out.
4. Still in existence; not settled or resolved: outstanding debts; a long outstanding problem.
5. Publicly issued and sold: outstanding stocks and bonds.

So is it 1, 2 or 4? :) Better use more accurate words there.

MIA after before 5 replies (2, Funny)

Astadar (591470) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493723)

I got here with only 4 postings and transgaming was already /.ed... good work team!

Re:MIA after before 5 replies (1)

mahdi13 (660205) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493935)

I managed to see the newsletter and check it out before Slashdot posted it...phew!

Of course, they are probably not down...most likely too many people clicked at once cloging their pipe.
They should be fine by now or soon
If I offered $50 to whoever asks, I sure as hell know that I'd physically get Slashdotted in seconds!

Saw it yesterday (3, Funny)

ktulu1115 (567549) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493729)

I was curious as to what was going on at Transgaming - they had a large banner on their site yesterday with today's date on it and "Where will you be?". Had a funny feeling something was brewing. :)

Will we see a new era of game compatibilty? (4, Insightful)

neilmoore67 (682829) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493732)

Will we see a new era of game compatibilty?

Yes, as soon as games are compatible with platforms other than Windows, not before.

Impressive, but... (3, Insightful)

91degrees (207121) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493734)

How seamless is it?

My main problem with games in X is that I have to change the screen resolution myself. Most applications I'm quite happy with seeing in a window, but games I want full screen, often at a much lower resolution. I also want cutscenes to be displayed fullscreen.

Does this solve that problem?

Re:Impressive, but... (4, Informative)

noselasd (594905) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493762)

Just about any game I've run using winex starts fullscreen, and
the games usually allows one to set the resolution.

Re:Impressive, but... (1)

mahdi13 (660205) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493960)

Works fine, just make sure you have the resolution option in your /etc/X11/XF86Config(-4) otherwise you will have problems.
Most games default to 800x600 when they start, but cover all the bases and add all the common resolutions

Shared Wineserver (3, Interesting)

meridian (16189) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493745)

When are we going to see a shared memory wineserver. This would be the best way to see a significant speed increase in Wine, rather than it having to launch a new Wineserver process for each application run. Transgaming were working on this some time ago but seem to have ditched the idea.

Re:Shared Wineserver (5, Informative)

Papineau (527159) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493794)

Currently, there's only one wineserver process launched to serve all Wine threads for a given user. What happens though, is that there are at least two context switches for each request to the wineserver. A shared memory wineserver architecture allow a Wine thread to access some data without any context switch, by only reading part of the shared memory of the wineserver. Thus the speed increase.

At the last Wineconf in January, Gavriel State (of Transgaming) showed a short demo of American McGee's Alice with a partial shared memory wineserver, and the increase in the fps was about two fold (yes, double of what it was with the current design).

Re:Shared Wineserver (4, Informative)

Joel Carr (693662) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493907)

At the last Wineconf in January, Gavriel State (of Transgaming) showed a short demo of American McGee's Alice with a partial shared memory wineserver, and the increase in the fps was about two fold (yes, double of what it was with the current design).

Just thought I'd mention that this game is one of the corner cases that is drastically affected by reducing the number of context switches. A shared memory wineserver would not automatically give this sort of performance boost to any game/application. Not that you were implying it would, but just so people know.

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Re:Shared Wineserver (1)

Papineau (527159) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493951)

Right, I should have mentioned it.

Re:Shared Wineserver (1)

crazney (194622) | more than 10 years ago | (#9494007)

Well what you are saying is sort of wrong.

Wine[X]/Cedega uses only one wineserver for a single user (under normal situations) no matter how many wine programs are running. That has always been the case.

What TransGaming have been working on is a shared memory wineserver, so there isn't so much overhead with context switching and stuff like that.

Anyhow, it has been done, and is now available/active in Cedega 4.0

From the release notes:
* The previously slow path for client to server communication
has been redesigned for more speed. By improving on the
previous prototype design, we have been able to get a 5 fold
speed up on certain operations. We call this functionality
Accelerated Interprocess Communication and it allows some
games such as American McGee's Alice to achieve much higher
performance.


(get them here [transgaming.com] ).

David

Sour grapes (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493746)

I'll believe it when I see it.

You'd have to be a donkey-raping shit-eater to play games on Linux when it is sooo easy to bittorrent a warez copy of WindowsXP Pro and just play gamez on that. Then you can get a cracked trial version of VMWare and run SuSE linux 9.1 Pro on that. (you can get SuSE from bittorrent network as well). That's what I do.

I'm sure some geekazoid will have issues with my use of software, but hey software wants to be free so i'm just freeing it.

New Era? Probably Not (4, Insightful)

illuminata (668963) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493752)

The only way that we'll see a new era of Linux gaming is with direct support from all of the big boys. As long as Linux users have to jump through hoops to get their game running, as long as those games are less than 100% compatible, you won't see much changing.

People want their games to work, not to pay for something (or deal with cvs) to get their stuff to partially work. Most people with a computer good enough to play DX9 games have a Windows disc anyways and a hd big enough to keep both. Transgaming will never be anything more than a niche company servicing a very small niche.

why troll? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493848)

i find it perfectly reasonable

Not necessarily... (2, Interesting)

StressGuy (472374) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493879)

Right now, I'm looking at building a new computer and taking my existing one and making it into a computer for the kids. My children are very young so I'm kinda waiting for KDE to do some more work on this "Kiosk" mode. It would be great if Transgaming's software would support thier windows games "Finding Nemo", "Freddy the Fish", "Blues Clues", "Hot Wheels", etc. My son also likes TuxKart, TuxRacer, Frozen Bubble, Tux Pinball, and Pingus. He's kinda into penguins nowadays....I'm sure that's just a coincidence ;)

Anyway, a KDE-Based Linux box with the ability to run thier Windows games as well would be an ideal solution for me.

Native GNU/Linux gaming versus WINE (2, Insightful)

swerk (675797) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493888)

Does "cedega" sound like a Final Fantasy spell to anyone else? Stronger than Cede and Ceda...

But anyway, I used to think things like WINE would hinder "true" GNU/Linux game development, and while that may be true, the games are going to be proprietary anyway, so really what's the difference between running a locked-up native binary and a locked-up WINE-translated one? And in the case of WineX, even the program doing the emulation/translation is non-Free. Folks who don't care that PC games aren't open-source shouldn't complain that the closed binary is for the wrong platform.

A couple of questions... (3, Interesting)

StressGuy (472374) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493756)

X-gamings site seems to be more fluff than substance. Having a hard time determining what games they support. I've got a couple of little ones and, if I can get games like "Freddy the Fish", "Reader Rabbit", "Blues Clues", that would make it worth looking into for me.

However, I'm also looking at Crossover Office (or the SuSe "Wine Rack") for office compatability. Can I install both this and Transgaming's software or will they stomp on each other?

Thanks,

Re:A couple of questions... (1)

nunofgs (636910) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493804)

nah, they play nice together. Go ahead and install them both

Re:A couple of questions... (1)

pmjordan (745016) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493830)

As far as I know, WineX is completely independent of any Wine installed, so you should be fine.

Re:A couple of questions... (2, Informative)

Joel Carr (693662) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493847)

You can install both. Infact, you can install and run multiple revisions of the WineHQ Wine at the same time.

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Re:A couple of questions... (4, Informative)

adam.skinner (721432) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493857)

I set up MDK10 w/ cvswinex for my daughter's computer. She was able to run Pajama Sam, but not a couple of her other games. So it's pretty much a crap shoot when seeing if a game is going to work with winex or not. However, that's not to say that we haven't seen significant improvements with Winex 4.

Btw, if you want to get cvswinex up and running, follow the instructions at linuX-gamers.net [linux-gamers.net]

Re:A couple of questions... (4, Informative)

ecliptik (160746) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493943)

I run (and pay) for both of these, and they do work well together. Transgaming wine's binary is 'winex3', soon to be winex4 more than likey, and Codeweavers Crossover's binary is just plain 'wine'.

I am using Debian unstable, and installed winex with their provided .deb and Crossover with ther install sh/rpm package.

Both wonderful projects and make my GNU/Linux use almost seamless with windows progs.

Re:A couple of questions... (1)

mahdi13 (660205) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493989)

I have Wine, WineX (3 different versions), CrossOver Office and CrossOver Plugin
They were smart enough to give each directory their own path and commands in /usr/bin/ so nothing stomps on each other at all

They forgot to mention... (3, Informative)

MarsDude (74832) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493763)

"Windows ® games to seamlessly and transparently run under Linux, out-of-the-box, with outstanding performance and equivalent game-play"
They forgot to mention that small detail about all the bleeding-edge hardware you need to run the latest games.... THAT will give you the biggest part of the oustanding performance....

.torrent ? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493779)

So, where's the .torrent ?

Re:.torrent ? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493908)

So, where's the .torrent ?

Here [redcoat.net] !

Is it ok? (4, Interesting)

Apreche (239272) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493784)

I'm still torn as to whether or not to pay for winex. I tried using the free/cvs version and it kind of worked. Of course, I didn't actually get any games to work correctly, not even simple ones, so it didn't work at all. First off, if I pay for winex and I get version 4.0 can I just never pay again and keep using 4 forever? I mean, as long as there aren't any games that come out for windows that I want (very very few lately) it shouldn't be a problem right? Also, is there a computer limit on winex? If I pay for version 4 once can I install it on 3 linux boxes without paying 3 times?

All I really want to do is to play Steam and all of the mods and stuff that go along with it, in linux. If I can do it for a really low one time fee and never pay again, then I think this is a good deal.

Re:Is it ok? (1)

pmjordan (745016) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493841)

If you're lucky, you can. Trouble is, Valve keep changing Steam, as far as I know, so sometimes it breaks, and you need a new version of WineX.

Re:Is it ok? (4, Informative)

mahdi13 (660205) | more than 10 years ago | (#9494019)

Yes, it $15 for the first 3 months (minimum) and $5/month afterwards.

You are free to cancel after those first 3 months anytime

You are free to browse and download as often as needed during that time. I don't have a copy of the license available, but I believe it is a per-user license. But I'm not sure...I have it on two of my machines at least

How well does this work? (1)

Deag (250823) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493786)

The site isn't responding but i have a few questions.


Has anyone used this product in the past? Do all games run seamlessly or is it restricted to certain ones? Will it allow me to get rid of my dual boot? Are they offering full directx compatability?


It is impressive if it works. But I fear for how well it could work. I remember downloading a game demo from EA recently that required a certain version of Internet Explorer.

Re:How well does this work? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493940)

Come on now. Find/make/edit a nice little browser, w/ no fanciness, and just forge the http header or whatever. It's not hard to convince sites you're running iexplore. But then again, I'm not sure exactly how EA set up the demo (I didn't download it), so I could be wrong.

Re:How well does this work? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493963)

I only know WineX 3.x: very few games run, but those few games tend to run very well, sometimes with 1-2 restrictions. for instance in GTA3+4 the intro video sequences dont work, otherwise it's 100% like Windows. WineX is not restricted to a limited number of games, you can try any game, but you wont have much success with trying out random titles. Only those games that Transgaming worked on will work really well.

Concerning DirectX: they dont have the newest Direct3d version yet, and no DirectPlay.

If the site is back, there's a database with ratings for each game.

Re:How well does this work? (1)

Captain_Loser (601474) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493977)

well, I am a transgaming subscriber and I have been using winex for some time. Today I got cedega and my first impressions are that this works remarkebly well. Cedega isn't perfect though, I still had some installer problems with older games. But battlefield 1942, galaxies and battlefield vietnam ran flawlessly. Will this let you get rid of your dual boot? That all depends on what you play and how far you are willing to go to dump windows. I have been running linux only for almost 6 years now (running gentoo for the past 2) and I couldn't imagine going back to windows. I had to cut back on the amount of gaming I do and make sacrifices in other areas (like cut and paste), but over time linux has grown to the point where I don't feel that windows can do anything I want to do better than linux. I am not the biggest gamer in the world, most of the games that I play already have linux binaries (ut2k4, quake3 mostly) so I don't have very many dx9 games to try, but so far, all the ones I do have work very well, not flawlessly, but close enough for me.

What I don't get is... (-1, Flamebait)

agraupe (769778) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493796)

Why is it necessary for Linux to play Windows games? Linux games will come out when people are good and ready for them. In the meantime, frustrated linux users can use one of the many fine gaming consoles (PS2, XBOX, GameCube, even PSOne to some degree).

If computer gaming is something you can't do without, use Windows. Unless you build your own computer (yes, I know this is /. this probably sounds stupid), Windows comes pre-loaded. Why not devote a small partition to Windows/games, and use the rest for linux? I chose to purchase a whole new computer for linux. It was pretty cheap, because I wasn't planning on doing any gaming with it, ergo I didn't need a good graphics card or those millions of other upgrades.

Another point to consider: do you think tech support will help you, in the eventuality that the game has random problems? They have enough trouble with Windows!

I might consider this product if it were open-source, but if I have to pay for it (or at least not use it with Portage), then I will keep with windows for gaming.

Re:What I don't get is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493916)

I can only answer for me: I have only Linux on my machine, and I don't want to install windows. Not even because of the usual zealot reasons, I just dont want the trouble of maintaining a second OS. I also tend to play for a short time, often only 10-20 minutes, between more serious work. Rebooting costs too much time then.

WineX (i am a subscriber) allows me play for 15 min, and then go on working immediately.

Re:What I don't get is... (2, Interesting)

gothzilla (676407) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493931)

It isn't "necessary" for linux to play games, just as it isn't necessary for an apple or windows to play games. It is what some people want to do though.
Basically what you're saying is that if I want to run linux AND play games, I should spend more money on more computers and more consoles so that I can have 500 different pieces of hardware to do all the things I want to do. If my computer can do linux and games and I don't have to buy anything else, thats more economical and more money for beer later.

Re:What I don't get is... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493944)

Why is it necessary for Linux to play Windows games? Linux games will come out when people are good and ready for them. In the meantime, frustrated linux users can use one of the many fine gaming consoles (PS2, XBOX, GameCube, even PSOne to some degree).

I already have thousands of dollars' worth of Windows games. I can't play them on any of the "many fine gaming consoles" you enumerate, and I don't know why I'd want to buy another machine when I already have a perfectly good PC, anyway. Are you suggesting I just throw them all away now I've switched to Linux, or will you concede that I might have a legitimate reason to be interested in something like WineX?

If computer gaming is something you can't do without, use Windows. Why not devote a small partition to Windows/games, and use the rest for linux?

Because I might only want to play for ten minutes in my coffee break, and constantly rebooting is really rather a drag?

If you don't want to play Windows games in Linux, good for you - don't use WineX then. For the rest of us, this is one more step towards making a permanent migration possible. That's a Good Thing, in case you didn't realise.

Re:What I don't get is... (1)

Doogie5526 (737968) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493954)

Well, as you mentioned it saves the $299 (or $199 for Home) but also the more than 1GB an install takes up

Also, game's loading times are long enough without the time to shut down Linux, close all your applications, and boot Windows.

Lastly, lots of times I play single player games while doing something in the background (downloading, as one example). Following that basic example, youd have to move the download link (torrent or whatnot) to Windows, then copy the file back it back to Linux... sounds like pain in the butt.

Adding a whole new Operating System just to play games becomes rather annoying. I'm sure setting up Linux for playing a game is as well. The difference is, you only have to configure WineX once while you'd have to boot to Windows everytime you wanted to play a game.

Re:What I don't get is... (1)

YOU LIKEWISE FAIL IT (651184) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493969)

I agree, to a point. In this house we have OSX boxes ( another game impoverished platform... ) as well as an Xbox, a Gamecube, a PS1, a Dreamcast, an N64, a SNES and an NES, as well as a GBA or two depending on who is home. And they're great fun.

The remaining problem can be eloquently summed up in one word - Counterstrike ( and don't suggest the XBox version, I need keys and mouse ). Sadly, to totally rewrite Herbert, he who controls the Counterstrike controls the multiplayer gaming world.

Re:What I don't get is... (1)

vadim_t (324782) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493996)

Booting windows is just a pain in the arse.

I've got a perfectly comfortable environment in Windows already. It does everything I need to do. But when I want to play a game with a friend, I have to boot Win2K, and hope it loads because sometimes for an unknown reason it will BSOD on startup. Then I find I'm in a rather foreign environment, where the browser is not set up the way I like it, the IM works worse...

That's why I prefer games that can run on Linux. They make playing so much easier. For example, Neverwinter Nights.

Re:What I don't get is... (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 10 years ago | (#9494015)

Another point to consider: do you think tech support will help you, in the eventuality that the game has random problems?

Sure, why not? I'll just call up Looking Glass, Dynamix, Papyrus. . .

Oh, well. Looks like I'm on my own anyway.

I must admit that I did actually call Microsoft for game support once and they quite pleasantly told me to reboot and if that didn't work reinstall, have a nice day.

KFG

Will we see a new era of game compatibilty? (2, Insightful)

CrosseyedPainless (27978) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493805)

Based on my experiences with winex, not fcking likely. I suppose if you bought games you knew worked with winex, you'd be happy. Picking games you like, and trying to get them to work with winex is another problem altogether.

Of course, I haven't tried this grape thing yet, but I have a month left on my Transgaming membership. Maybe I will be bitchslapped by reality, but I am low on optimism....

Nice Work, But.... (1, Interesting)

blueZhift (652272) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493814)

Nice work, but hasn't Transgaming heard that PC gaming is dead? :-) Call me back when I can play XBox and PS2 games under Linux!

Seriously, if Transgaming can make money with WineX, then more power to them. They may only be serving a small niche, but if Apple has taught us anything, it's that niches can be profitable if you're smart. Go Transgaming!

Re:Nice Work, But.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493942)

Are you saying that there is an Xbox game that is not available on the PC?

Games are the only reason I still have Windows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493851)

...so anything that helps remove that dependence is a Good Thing(tm). Once I can play every game I want under Linux, my ol' XP hard drive is going to be formatted and turned into another type 83, and I for one won't miss having to run an AV program and two spyware killers all the time.

fp spOn6e (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9493862)

Too bad it's not (1)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493864)

Well I suppose we can't complain.... much.
I suppose the transgaming crowd put a lot of work into this.

I have noticed though, that games are the one area where open source/FSF hasn't really made inroads. They're aren't a lot of high quaility games for linux and the emulators on it seem to be almost always inferior to the win32 application from whence they came?

I suppose this is due to the high cost and workload associated with making a modern game. Makes you wonder though? How long until the cost and workload of 'regular' apps strays outside the domain of open source?

Though I propbobly just whinging because I have to pay. Not something a fedora user like me is used to!! :E

Re:Too bad it's not (3, Informative)

Chris_Jefferson (581445) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493930)

The problem with designing most styles of games is that they don't lend themselves to open source tactics.

Having worked in a few betas, often a 90% finished game is still quite unplayable. Also for a good game you really need a group of people to decide what the goals are for the game and then reach these and release.

Open source does lend itself to simpler more open ended games like nethack, but games more than anything really aren't much good until they are almost totally finished, and also most people won't play a game through more than a couple of times no matter how good it is

Got it (5, Informative)

Dreadlord (671979) | more than 10 years ago | (#9493889)

I was lucky enough to grab the new version before the /.'ing, TG says that this version adds support for some DirectX 9 features, like Pixel Shaders.

I've tried a couple of new DirectX 9 games, and so far I'm quite happy with the results, first game is Far Cry, it used to work with the previous version, but now the performance is much better, with less artifacts and more effects.

The other game is PainKiller, it runs quite well too, I had all kinds of problems trying to get this game running with the previous version.

I know I'm going to be flamed for this post, but I wiped my Windows partition a while ago, and WineX (Cedega whatever) is doing a very good job giving me my gaming needs, it's still much better than having a Windows gaming partition.
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