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First Playstation 2 Screenshots

CmdrTaco posted more than 15 years ago | from the stuff-to-see dept.

Games 133

Catgut sent us a collection of early screenshots from the playstation 2. Another generation forward... remember intellivision? Wow we've come a ways. Update: 03/02 07:28 by S : RPGamer is reporting that the development OS for the PSX2 will be Linux. That doesn't mean the PSX will run Linux though, just that the tools will run on Linux.

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I want Linux, BeOS Playstation 2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999051)

Please

PS First

Darn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999052)

/.-ed already

Intellivision (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999053)

Intellivision still rules - and I still play mine.

You can keep all those *yawn* drawn-out role playing games, been-done shoot 'em ups, and brain-dead 2-player fighting games. They require little real skill. Now Vectron - now THERE's a REAL GAME.

-Josh
22 and already a grissled old gamer

Damn, nice shots... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999054)

Is that 32-bit color or 16-bit?
What's the resolution? Anyone know?

Ship date? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999055)

"...system will hit sometime in Winter 99 (meaning between January and March)..."

Isn't it march already?

Mirrors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999056)

Anybody have a mirror up?

(The Slashdot Effect has taken hold...)

No Games?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999057)

I thought the whole point of the playstation's standard libraries was that most games could be run directly on the playstation 2 hardware. That means that playstation 2 has thousands of titles and a great many top-notch developers.

Yawwwwwn. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999058)

Yeah, right, sure.

What every mother wants to buy her kid for christmas is a $399 PC against a $100+ console. It's not as if the console has 0 set-up time. No need to worry about frigging the HD up. No worries about it being out of date quite so quick.

Come on. The consoles are cheap, reliable, fun, easy to use. They're very fit for a purpose.

Official PSX 2 Tech Specs from Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999059)

Go here to see what this puppy is all about:

http://www.psxnation.com/news/030299c.html

When's this puppy coming out? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999060)

It's coming out in Japan this winter (around March 2000) and it will be on this side of the ocean by Fall 2000. Development systems will begin shipping to developers this spring.

/. Effect? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999061)

www.gaming-edge.com got slashdoted ? :_)

Yes. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999062)

Yeah, I also have to agree that you're the only one. I'm just to tired to go into the myriad reasons why yet again. Try dejanews.


--
Jason Eric Pierce

Re : Yawwwwwn. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999063)


Yay. Just what the world needs - another closed, proprietary, non-upgradeable, worthless hunk of plastic. Yawn. Wake me when I can run Linux and do TCPIP
networking on it...zzzzzzzz


Well, it's got a USB and FireWire, so there is some interconnectivity, and with the developer's kit for the PS (Net Yaroze) you *could* port Linux to it. Since the PS2's backward compatible, you'd just need to burn a CD with your PSLinux and load it up.

And the Net Yaroze comes with programming specs for the PS, too, not just DLL-like interfaces. You could finally get sound and 3d support from Linux.

Hey, there's even parallel/serial ports on the PS, so you could network the original platform, too.
Assuming you wake up.

Am I the only one that sees console gaming slowly riding off into the sunset, in the face of today's $399 PCs?


Yeah. Try pulling 75M polys/sec on a $400 PC.
Try to imagine not having to mess with HD failure, surly resellers, etc, etc, etc...

Maybe we could dress up Crash Bandicoot like Obi Wan Kenobi for you. :)

FF8 preview face again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999064)

Um, try reading the text.


--
Jason Eric Pierce

Cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999065)

What's interesting is that these shots were manipulated in real-time. As for mirrors, you can visit the numerous gaming websites for pics. Luckily I've viewed these ones before posting them :-) The Gran Turismo demo looks amazing.

http://www.gamefan.com/
http://www.videogames.com/
http://www.next-generation.com/
http://www.gaming-age.com/
http://psx.ign.com/

Winter 99 == Jan - Mar 2000 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999066)

These japanese guys have the strange custom of starting the
year in april...

Wohoo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999067)

Lets all run out and waste some more money on something that we can only play games on. Sure they might be cool games and graphics but I'll take a good computer game over one made for a dedicated machine anyday!
hey...anybody wanna buy a playstation? lol

Its only good if it has linux, yeah right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999068)

This is getting quite annoying. Linux is good, but it's getting fucking out of hand with all these l33t wanna be linux hax0rs. Lets put linux in my toaster, maybe it'll work better, how about linux on my watch, maybe it'll show the time faster.

Consoles are designed for games, although all this talk about putting a modem and net access all in the new consoles is dumb.

Playstation2 will Play Playstation games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999069)

Check out this news link: http://www.w-gamez.com [e-gamez.com]

beowulf (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999070)

Imagine the kickass Beowulf cluster you could make with these things...

Intellivision -> PlayStation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999071)

Show me something as fun or cool as Grand Tourismo on your Intellistation.

Sorry, bud, but with the right combination of good hardware and good software you can't beat this system.

"PlayStation 2 To Use Linux OS"---REALLY! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999072)

http://www.psxnation.com/news/030299a.html

Looks like everyones dream has come true! WOW!

Yaaaaaaaaaaaah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999073)

Not nearly a yawn. Tell me a 486dx33 w/ 1mb virge, 2mb of ram, a double speed drive and NO hard drive can play final fantasy 7 or gran turisimo. Thats about what hardware the psx has. It has set hardware that _always_ works with the game. The developer can eek the most out the hardware. Its an easy way for kids to have games. w/o nintendo so long ago, I wouldn't have to come to computers so soon. Its a good game machine. Not a hacking/admining machine. Also, working with limited hardware, forces developers to make better gameplay rather than graphics. You'd never see unreal or quake2 in their release states get shipped on a console.

sony to use linux for ps2 development?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999074)

http://www.psxnation.com/news/030299a.html

love those screenshots...keep the consoles coming

Somewhere in the middle. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999075)

The truth as usual is probably somewhere in the middle. There actually is hardware running that stuff, and Sony is showing it to a lot of major gamedevelopers sometime this week.

But on the other side, most of the actual numbers they give you are not very realistic, and don't have much value. That thing is really NOT going to render 50 million triangles a second. And is never going to achieve it's theoratical FPU performance. But ofcourse, that doesn't make it any less cool.

Looking forward to receiving a devboard :)
(Hopefully not on Linux. Which seems very unlikely though, more likely is that they are still using GNU tools (mainly gcc), as they always have, and will continue to do so.)

Sony would be very stupid to push thousands of developers used to Windows environments, and who often develop ALSO for windows, into Linux.

new mirror (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999076)

i mirrored it on my fortunecity site. FC should have the bandwidth to handle y'all. Besides: this looks sooo cool. http://www.fortunecity.com/s kyscraper/solomon/579/ps2/ [fortunecity.com]

Yawwwwwn. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999077)


What do you mean? The PS/2 has a full line of microchannel expansion products available for it. Look down at your local flea market for some 16/4 Token Ring cards, they oughta work.

TCP/IP may be somewhat more of a problem. I believe IBM sells a TCP/IP add-on for the OS/2 1.2 operating system, but it runs about $300.

Playstation 2 to use LINUX OS, Not very likely (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999078)

This isn't very likely. They are probably just still using the GNU tools. Forcing developers into a new dev environment would be a very bad idea. 99% of the current playstation devevelopers develop in Windows, and use Win editors and tools like CodeWright,MS-DevStudio, and SourceSafe. Most of them are also very happy with that, and would just hope that Sony would sort out their tools so they would work on NT.

PS2 requiring Linux for development would piss most of them of, and just a bit. Suddenly you'd have to leave the platform you are used to, and happy with. (Yes we reboot once a day, big deal.)

So nope, doubtful that Sony will do this.

Playstation 2 to use LINUX OS **NO** (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999079)

Are we sure this doesn't mean they use Linux as a development platform, from which they do cross-compiling? This is more common than you think.

Somewhere in the middle. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999080)

Actually almost all PlayStation development right now is done on Win9x. Most of the Sony Tools do not work in NT. (Essentially most of it are DOS tools.)

By swithing to Linux we'd probably win:

- A bit of stability. (Whatever that is worth. Never had my machine crashing when I was just compiling/uploading to PSX/running.)

And we'd lose:

- The basic environment we work in. (Win)
- The development environment we are used to. (CodeWright, Devstudio).
- We'd LOSE to sourcecontrol system we are used to, and works great for us. (SourceSafe).
- We'd lose the ability to run the programs our artists use, or write programs for our artists to use, on our main dev machine. (3DSMax, Photoshop, etc)
- Our artists would lose the ability to run the development tools as well, so they can do quick visual testing.

EtcEtc

Really, it's a bad idea.

Damn, nice shots... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999081)

Old PSX has 1M of video memory for double buffer and texture maps(2M for arcade version), and is usually set to 320x240. It has a color depth of 16 bits, not 24.

The pictures on that page are probably actual size, given that televisions are terrible for high quality display. There's not much reason to go above 320x240, and your colors will bleed so much that 16 bit color depth looks fine. Then again, memory has gotten cheaper so they're probably 24 or 32 bits now, and maybe even have a zbuffer finally.

Games? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999082)

Just to let people know, SDony has had developers
making games for this platform for some time now.

Playstation 2 to use LINUX OS sounds good... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999083)

If WinNT 5.0 beta 2 was any indication of what Win2k will be like, no, we won't have much of a switch. We'd still have the same development environment, with the same tools, with same programs which the artists use. Just the basic environment in which we can have the full team functioning well and produce quality software.

Win2K will probably be are horrible resource hog, yeah, ok, get me that 512Megs of RAM and 16gig harddrive. Big deal.

Stability? Whow, so I wouldn't have to reboot my machine again each morning. Big deal.

Sony FUD, Fact and Fiction? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999084)

FUD????? Where is the Fear? Where is the Uncertainy? Where is the Doubt? This isn't FUD, it's just misleading!

Games? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999085)

But the first real asynchronous systems may appear first in your kids' room. Imagine a battery-powered, handheld Sony Playstation with 10 times the performance of today's unit that plugs in the wall. That's the 3-D graphics equivalent of a $30,000 SGI workstation for $100. I am not making this up.

From PBS.org

copying PSX-2 games w/ CDRWin and 80-minute media (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999086)

Will this be possible? Will we need to overburn the 80-minute media to copy PSX2 games?

Yawwwwwn. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999087)

No, they're saying it has to be a lot less than $800, because that's how much the average PC costs in Japan these days.

Yeah, probably.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999088)

My computer is an Indigo2. Now that is beautiful.

Sony FUD, Fact and Fiction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999089)

1> Uses a graphic chip with integrated DRAM and Logic... Much like IBMs recent announcements this really does enhance performance. However, as the Graphics Processor (Graphics Synthesizer) only has 4MB of RAM, I think the 46GB/s internal bandwidth it's got ain't worth kaka.

Sony said they use some kind of texture compresion and I'm sure this graphics chip
has a _very_ fast connection to main memory;
something like AGP 4x or more likely what SGI
uses in their NT workstations...

Nostalgia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999090)


Of course you don't get the same thrill from games now as you did back in. Like any experience, you get less excited and more sophisticated about it as time goes on.

I can assure you twenty or so years from now, people will be saying the same thing. Only it will be:

"I remember back before we had full 3d virtual reality with tactile feedback. They were crude polygonal models projected onto a flat tv screen. We had to control them with a little stick and some buttons. But oh, those were the best games I ever played."

--
Jason Eric Pierce

Hmm, killer PERIPHERAL! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999091)

Maybe we need to start thinking of this thing as less of a full-function computer replacement in its own right, and more of a killer peripheral that does the expensive PC bits very well and cheaply.

Really, think about it - this thing will be pretty cheap, and provides killer performance for all the things that make a good 3D/gaming/multimedia PC prohibitively expensive (at least for me...)

With a firewire port, using it as a peripheral is not as crazy an idea as it might seem at first. I think I could get to like something like a Corel Netwinder or stripped-down Sony Slimtop(hint) with this thing handling the MM processing!

Dub Dublin
dub@psw.com

I want Linux, BeOS Playstation 2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999092)

Frankly, I don't understand why anyone would choose linux over beos for intense games. Linux sucks when it comes to 3d. BeOS rocks and rules...

Intellivision (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999093)

Intelevision rocked, i played Tron Deadly Disk and AD&D for hours! then B-17 bomber some! Flack Flack! target below! never forget the speach in that game :)

Consoles will kill M$ consumer market in 10 years (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999094)

If the PSX2 is even AS GOOD as the Dreamcast, Microsoft is screwed. WinCE is loosing to PalmOS on the PDA front, and nobody in thier right mind trusts it for embeded apps. And hey, we all know what kind of "problems" M$ is having with Win2K:)

The Dreamcast is M$ one significant high visibility shot at fame on Computing Appliances. With backwards compatability to origional PSX titles, what current US Playstation owner would bother with a Dreamcast when they will be able to get the PSX2 10 months later?!?!

Just look at those specs people! 32MB of RAM, 4MB Video ram, USB, FireWire, modem... If the "Average" US consumer wants a PC for Games, E-Mail and Web, and perhaps some light word processing, something even close to this could do it. Throw on a USB keyboard, mouse, printer and a USB ZIP or LS120 drive for storage. All that it needs is some small footprint OS + GUI for running the Web Browser software and some Wordproc app. Mr & Mrs joe sixpac of America and thier 1.6 kids are now more than happy. Consistant architecture for sound, video, modem (perhaps even "supported" USB keyboards, mice, etc?) and bye-bye PC hardware conflics and TECH SUPPORT COSTS!!!

Hey Sony, if you're reading, make nice with the system specs once the PSX2 gets released. In return, we promise we'll help sink the Dreamcast faster than the Saturn bombed on it's own:)

Will it have S-VIDEO out? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999095)

Current Playstations, yes. But if you're lucky enough to have an early japanese unit (or an early blue developer's station, not the Yarouze machines, IIRC), you might have S-Video jacks on the rear -- no friggin adapter necessary.

There's an easy solution to your blurring problem -- turn the sharpness controls of your TV/monitor all the way down. People always turn the sharpness all the way up, but that doesn't enhance clarity, it just displays noise that would have otherwise been blurred out. This advice is especially true for high-resolution video devices and low- to mid-range monitors. (If your TV can't be NTSC color-tuned, you know you have a low- to mid-range monitor.) OTOH, if your monitor has a better comb filter than the Playstation does, by all means use composite video.

Firewire seems damn awesome for video, but until I have a monitor with Firewire-ins, I want to see component video outs. Mmm...home theater-y...

pppffffttttt, That "thing" sucks my dick! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999096)

BAH, more doom2 spoofed SHIT! I am sick of 3D garbage. Lets see a good old side-scrolling game.

Heh? You stupid? too? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999097)

It's not actually all that cheap when you factor in the cost of a television that is worth using it on then you have to add in the controllers and the memory cards....and of course an s-video connector will probably be sold seperatly as well. All in all it's not that much cheaper than buying a computer these days, and computers can be used as your tv as well. Games are better on them, they are endlessly more versitile. The only thing sp2k will be better for is playing multiplayer games with your buddies while sitting back on your couch. I'd rather have a good computer anyday.

Who cares? It's low-res! and not really cheaper! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1999098)

yah 400 dollars for the machine itself but then add in the cost of the television that is worth playing it on and it's not all that much cheaper than a decent computer. Get yourself a Celery/a 300+ based system for that cost or less once you add in the tv. Throw in a Voodoo2 or TnT card (go with the TnT) and a tv tuner and you got yourself a tv and a better game machine that can do more than just play. I'm not knockin sony they make gr8 stuff but computers are the better deal.

/.'d (1)

Shiska (131) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999111)

Already. pooh.
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YAMS: Yet Another Mirror Site (1)

drwiii (434) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999112)

Just the JPEGs, ma'am..

foobar [min.net]

Mirror Site! (1)

drwiii (434) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999113)

foo [min.net]

Original (1)

Chris Johnson (580) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999114)

So sign up for mailing lists at golgotha.org! I doubt we are going to be doing 4 bit graphics, but I can tell you that I for one am trying very hard to avoid the instinctive diving for various cliched easy gamedesign options. It'd be great to have more iconoclastic flakes on board ;)
I know that I've spoken at times (sometimes raising eyebrows from Golgotha people) about how the stuff I'm trying to bring to the table will also play into '_my_ game ideas'. It sounds like I'm holding out on Golgotha, but the fact is, I have certain goals involving severely noncommercial games. I can't go into too much detail, call 'em hacker games or serious geek games, or check out Robotwar (dunno how many platforms it is, there is a Mac game of this name and there was an Apple II game of the same design). And I don't care if it's totally crazed and nobody will ever want to play it (as some marketroids would quite justifiably claim), I have been germinating ideas for such uncommercial exploits for a long time now, and am moving steadily closer to the reality of writing 'em.
Naturally, as soon as I'm technically able to release Linux binaries or to make it possible for better pure-coders to port the stuff I'm playing with, it'll be dedicated Linux games, in a very serious way. Until that time I gotta just soldier on with nothing but determination, but damn- I _so_ sympathize, I _so_ agree with this very bleak view of the creativity gap in the game industry. One thing about it, people are learning how to do lovely graphics- guess you gotta work on one thing at a time- the graphics are just marvellous, one day we'll have entertainment beyond just pretty pictures. Current gaming is very much like _cinematography_ as visual impact is increasingly important.

Yeah, probably.. (1)

gavinhall (33) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999115)

Posted by Charles Bronson:

Nothing beats a console system for gaming. When you buy a console you're guarenteed that any games will work, regardless of how old it is. You don't need to upgrade, etc. Also, since console systems are usually plugged into a TV, and since the TV is usually in a convenient comfortable place, console systems have an edge over a computer, which is hideously ugly and sits on top of a desk, usually uncomfortably.

Yawwwwwn. (1)

gavinhall (33) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999116)

Posted by stodge:

yes you are. Sorry! :)

Official PSX 2 Tech Specs from Sony (1)

Altus (1034) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999118)

Im not sure if you noticed but sony is at the forfront of this whole firewire thing... they are sort of pushing REALY hard for it to be included in absolutely everything

there is no way that it wont be in this.

besides, it may be usefull for expansion and add ons and since they are on the origional firewire licence its probably not that expensive for them to put it in a consumer device like this

Music (1)

Tim Macinta (1052) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999119)

Anybody know what the music from that clip is from (or if it was created just for the clip)? Yeah, the graphics were pretty awesome too.

I remember Pong (1)

Iffy Bonzoolie (1621) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999120)

My dad worked for Pong for a bit. I remember when I was a little bitty kid, he brought home this big white box and we hooked it up to our 13" Black and white television.

Pong didn't have much of a future, though, they were pretty much a one-trick pony.

When's this puppy coming out? (1)

Brian Kendig (1959) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999121)

"Sony has stated that the system will hit sometime in Winter 99 (meaning between January and March)."

Huh? No way is this coming out by March 99, and probably not even by March 2000; there hasn't even been any news yet about third-party companies signing on to make games for it. I want this as bad as the next glassy-eyed joystick junkie, but I'd say that Christmas 2000 is a much more likely timeframe for it.

And what's this about "Sony has stated"? As far as I know, they haven't even acknowledged the existence of the thing yet, have they?

Will it have S-VIDEO out? (1)

timur (2029) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999122)

Does the current Playstation have S-VIDEO out? Will the new PS2 have it? I just noticed my Mac has an S-VIDEO in - I could just plug a playstation into there, fire up Apple Video Player, and use my monitor instead of a TV!

--
Timur "too sexy for my code" Tabi, timur@tabi.org, http://www.tabi.org

Sony FUD, Fact and Fiction? (1)

GreenPickles (2275) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999123)

Buddy, the word "FUD" is actually an acronym for "Fear Uncertainty (and) Doubt". A campaign idea that was supposedly developed by Microsoft.

ha good idea. A 399# pc thats 100 times slower (1)

winnt386 (2942) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999125)

hmm the vodoo 3 can pump 8 million polyons/sec on on a 2500 pentium3 and a 155$ ps/2 can pump 55 million polygons a second. Which is better? I feel disgusted that the stupid computer engineers can even make a system as fast a childs video game system. Thats sad. Hey! could this $399 pc even compete agaisnt the playstation1. Also their is an emotional chip that makes special effect and beautifull graphics for the graphics chip to pump out. 500 mips! OOOh I am getting a hard on just thinking about it. We need a ps2 with a hardrive and linux and a dsl modem or cable modem and pure paradise will come.

Agreed! DEATH TO DIRECTX! (1)

winnt386 (2942) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999126)

I started getting into computers because the graphics and games were alot better. It was easier to develop a game in those days then a regular nintendo. IF i was born 10 years later, I would have never gotten into computers because the price of what these developers go thru to make any game run on widnows sucks. How many hoops have you all jumped to make a simple triangle that you can move around in a 360 degree enviroment in derectx. I can do this alot easier with the development version of the playstation for programers. ITs very sad. I blame this on MICROSOFT 100%! Oh and I jsut rmembered that microsoft purposely crippled visual c so only the $1300 version could be compiled tightly. Al.so microsoft's api's are secrets that only visual C can access. THis sucks! I hape to pay 1300 for a fast game and end up with a slow performer because microsoft believes in overlly engineered pc's because they can sell windows at a higher price! I hate them and intel. ALso sony has liberal licensing compared to sega and nintendo so part of the problem is with nintendo but I want my games back on my pc. I like customizable pc games. I wish those days would come back. Anyone know what happened to the performance of todays pc's and why are they so far behing consules when they are soo much more expensive? This would be unthinkable back in 93 or 94. Someone mentioned that the n64 was as fast as a 10,000$ sgi workstation and we laughed at him. Its now true :-(! what the (&&^. It seems to me that cisc is finally strangling the desktop market and having bus speed only a fith as fast as the cpu with slow memory aren't helping either. Especially if that old hardware has windows choking it and slowing it down even more.

Will it have S-VIDEO out? (1)

Keith Russell (4440) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999127)

I doubt that they would take PS2 backwards, so I would guess S-Video Out will stay.

According to GameSpot [gamespot.com] , Playstation 2 will also be "digital TV ready." Whatever that means.

Keith Russell

I remember Pong (1)

ed_the_unready (5193) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999128)

See title. Enough said.
Signed,
An Old Fart

Sony FUD, Fact and Fiction (1)

Woodie (8139) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999130)

Hey,

I've been looking over some of the specs that have been released at the playstation-europe site in PDF format on the Playstation2. All in all, I'm sure it will be very impressive hardware.

1> Uses a graphic chip with integrated DRAM and Logic... Much like IBMs recent announcements this really does enhance performance. However, as the Graphics Processor (Graphics Synthesizer) only has 4MB of RAM, I think the 46GB/s internal bandwidth it's got ain't worth kaka.

2> Uses RAMBUS technology for the main CPU to achieve 4.3GB/s access to system RAM. That's pretty cool, and is a lot faster than my current system's PC100 RAM. However, keep in mind that I think Intel owns the company that designed RamBus, and several PC makers and CPU makers are adopting it for PCs.

So - yeah, they talk a good storm in terms of performance, and it really will be a good performer - but nowhere near the maximums and peak performances they are talking about. Yeah - it'll render 12 million polys/sec with z buffer, alphablending, and textures - if those polys only cover 48 pixels of screen area each - and all the data for them fits in that 4MB RAM of the graphics chip.... How many PC games even fit in that limit now - I think Unreal uses on the order of 200MBs of textures per level for texture maps, and light maps....

So yeah - it's a Sony FUD campaign.

- porter

Who cares? It's low-res! (1)

Sethb (9355) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999131)

I personally don't care for playing games at 640x480 interlaced that I can play at 1280x1024 non-interlaced on my PC. Until the days of HDTV are upon us, consoles can't compete in that area. Oh, and IMHO N64 has games that are more fun than playstation, with more replay value, with the exception of FF7, which is better on my PC :)

Yeah but... (1)

Dast (10275) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999132)

will it run linu.... oh. ;-)

I still *have* SpaceWar O:) (1)

Christopher Thomas (11717) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999133)

...On a floppy, somewhere among the thousands in boxes on the floor of my room. Star Control in team vs. team mode is pretty much SpaceWar only better, though :/. I still have that on floppies somewhere, too.

FF8 preview face again? (1)

StimpyBoy (11864) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999139)

In the 2nd pic (the one with a realtime demo of an old man's face in the top-left corner) does anyone think that looks strikingly familiar? It looks like the FF8 movie preview that was out a while ago.

Wow, that would be impressive if the FF8 animation could be done on the PSX2.

Then again, it's a console. ehhh......

Never mind (1)

StimpyBoy (11864) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999140)

I'm a dumbass, rpgamer.com confirms it right in the article. Sorry.

Answer (1)

Augusto (12068) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999141)

1) HDTV - yes
2) widescreen - maybe

According to
http://www.psxpower.com/news/7135.html

" It will also be completely compatible with the HDTV standard, but games will run at a standard resolution of 640x480 out of the gate. It is unclear if the system will have built-in 16:9 modes for televisions with that aspect ratio, but since some PlayStation and N64 games include this feature, it's almost a definite. "

This is the *REAL* thing (1)

Augusto (12068) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999142)

Go to
http://www.psxpower.com

They have screen shots, and people that went
to see the demos. Tekken was being played
real-time , and Grand Turismo (check out the screenshot) was ported and played real time.

FUD, Vaporware, and High Hopes.... (1)

rdewalt (13105) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999143)

Good to see the marketing hype of the game industry is still going strong. One page touts "Exclusive Screenshots" Another spouts "We're the first with this information!!" meanwhile all they say in hindsight is "Well, it was a rumor, and we wanted to jack up our page hits" I disbelieve the screen shots, as much as I would -love- to believe them. Those are very nice images, however at NTSC resolutions, that's not as impressive.. Information from source x, states that Sony is still deciding chip designs, another states differing and conflicting hardware specifications from all the rest, yet a third has what appears to be screen shots of "final beta" stage games... Who to believe?

I don't care. I'm not going to change my life for a -GAME- system.

I've seen the Dreamcast. I've played on one extensively, and I have my own on order. Yes, it's a nice system, but the world didn't change when it was released.

How many of you are more "into" these 32bit games now, than say, when you bought your first 2600? I don't mean "more of a game fan" I mean "how much more absorbed are you into the game?" not a whole lot, when you think about it right?

I remember many a night huddled over my 2600, playing "battlezone" or "asteroids", seen the wrong side of dawn once too many from "Mario Brothers" or "excitebike" I didn't care that mario was a chincy little sprite, or that excitebike didn't have "real" motorcycle sounds, or a custom motorcycle handlebar controller with force feeback and vibrations.

I remember when games were played for the sake of enjoying the game, not how many polygons per second you could shove into your eyes...

I could care less if Linux is used for the development OS. That's called "Baiting a targeted audience" I dont' care if it could play games from the "old" playstation, sega cd, saturn, and dreamcast COMBINED. That's why I still have those systems. I'm not going to toss them out because I bought a new toy. I don't give a flying fig how many polygons per second you can display... Takes more than that to impress me.

You want to know what will get my interest? Original Ideas. I'll take 4 bit graphics and beep sound effects, if you give me a game that is original. I'm SICK AND TIRED of all these "street fighter" clones, racing clones, "final fantasy" rpg's, platform jumping clones and doom clones.. how many times can you "run down a corridor, if it moves, shoot it" before you get tired of it? How long until a "Game Shark" is created for it because 'Joe Gamer' wants the easy way out? (but -of course- nobody who reads /. uses a gameshark. of course not.. especially me.. yeah, that's it *hidehidehide*)

You want to know what I want Sony? How about a new idea.. instead of this "Let's stick with a known genre, it's safer than trying something original, the gamers will buy everything" decision paradigm that is stagnating the game industry.

Will I get a PSX2? maybe.. maybe not. I'm waiting until I see what's released before I decide. See what the console -really- is before I plonk my money down on it.

save this one under "probable vapourware" and let's see what turns up.

As always, this opinion is mine. Your opinion will vary, after all, you are not me. If you were me, you would be wondering where you put your coffee right now.

Ah yes... (1)

rdewalt (13105) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999144)

> Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn!

Thank you sir, for your well thought out, poignant, and wistfully worded diatribe on my posted comment. Your elegance and skill with words has persuaded me to change my ways, and never post again! Amazing that you did it using only 4 letters and a punctuation! Such oratorial skill! I bow before your intellect kind sir, I shal run off and ask that my original comment be stricken from the record, and my posting priveledges perpetually revoked! A pox on me!

*plonk*

It is replies like these, that make me wonder why I don't have my threshold permanently set >0.

Intellivision -> PlayStation (1)

Augie De Blieck Jr. (13716) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999145)

remember intellivision? Wow we've come a ways.

Yeah, from playable fun games to high-speed razzle dazzle which require a help book so you can have any hopes of beating the game. And, er, "beating the game"!?!? I just want to play a game. What's so wrong with that?

Give me my comfortable disc controller anyday. . .

-Augie, cranky at 22 yrs. 364 days

mirror (1)

Zebulun (14800) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999146)

mirror [fortunecity.com]

-Z

smells like sony FUD to me (1)

webslacker (15723) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999147)

Seeing as how fishy the 50 million trianges/second announcement sounded, this could easily have been rendered on computers and sent out to kill any leftover excitement about Sega's Dreamcast. Until I see a picture of a prototype Playstation2 connected to a TV and rendering these graphics on its own, I'm not falling for this smoke-and-mirrors campaign.

VIDEO OF THE PSX2!!!! (1)

webslacker (15723) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999148)

http://www.gaming-age.com/news2/march99/030299h.ht m

they look damn good!

still, like i said before, i'm not gonna believe it until i see a PS2 connected to the display that's outputting these movies. They could've been rendered on "special development version" PS2's for all we know. After a while you learn not to bite the bait too quickly. I still recall Intel demonstrating bogus high-speed Pentium Pro's a few years back... they were in special refrigeration units under a table!!!

Who cares? It's low-res! (1)

webslacker (15723) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999149)

friend, on a TV, 640x480 looks as about as good as 1600x1200

I'll ask again (1)

Fizgig (16368) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999151)

I asked on the last PS2 thread, but it was dying, so no one responded. Will the PS2/Dreamcast take advantage of HDTV? Will they support the higher resolutions or even the widescreen aspect?

Yawwwwwn. (1)

jwriney (16598) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999152)

Yay. Just what the world needs - another closed, proprietary, non-upgradeable, worthless hunk of plastic. Yawn. Wake me when I can run Linux and do TCPIP networking on it...zzzzzzzz

Am I the only one that sees console gaming slowly riding off into the sunset, in the face of today's $399 PCs?

--jwriney
John Riney III
jwriney@awod.com

Not quite. (1)

jwriney (16598) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999153)

Nothing beats a console system for gaming.

Speaking only about the console I have any experience with(the n64), I have yet to find a game that are even close to being as entertaining as the majority of titles on the PC. Some friends and I tried last weekend to play 007 multiplayer. After spending 45 minutes piddling with the awful controllers, the microscopic screen area, and the wonderful framerate that would dip everytime somebody fired a weapon, we brought the game back and got Mario Cart. At least that's somewhat playable. I guess we're all spoiled from playing weekly LAN games of Quake and Shogo.

When you buy a console you're guarenteed that any games will work, regardless of how old it is.

I can play Kroz(Apogee's ancient clone of Zork), Scorched Earth, F117a Stealth Fighter, Wolfenstein, Heretic, etc, etc, etc, on my brand new PC. What does that prove?

I suppose consoles are fine, as long as you don't mind forcing yourself into obsolence. Your only hope of extending the functionality of the box is through manufacturer-approved upgrades- rumble paks, memory cards, extra controllers - that are only add-ons. Once the next better console comes out, the only option is to plunk! - throw it away. Wasteful.

Another scenario: The SegSonyTendoVisionPro 2000(tm) is about to come out. All the game mags promote it-gorgeous screenshots come out-promises of massive developer support are made. The console comes out, and everybody buys one. Oddly though, the promised flood of games at rollout is only a trickle of 5-10...most are new revs of older stuff. More promises are made, deadlines slip, developer support falls apart - and you're stuck with a $250 paperweight. Oops. Now what? It happened to me and a couple hundred thousand other people with Atari's last gasp(Jaguar).

Anyway, thank God we live in a free country so opinionated buttheads like me can freely spout.

Peace

--jwriney
John Riney III

Its only good if it has linux, yeah right. (1)

jwriney (16598) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999154)

Um, the part about running Linux and TCP is called humor. I'm trying to express frustration with the closed, unupgradable nature of console boxes. It would take a bigger nut than me to try to run Linux on one of these...

--jwriney
John Riney III
jwriney@awod.com

VGS 2? (1)

Snibor Eoj (16725) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999156)

Now, the real question is, how long will it take for Connectix to come out with Virtual Game Station 2? :-)

Whatever (1)

Gumber (17306) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999157)

Yeah, right. A game console is an appliance, you plug it in and it goes. There is little you can do to make it not go that a power cycle won't fix. A PC, any PC, whether it is running linux, windows or whatnot is not in the same league.

If you can not see the difference between the two, or its value, then I think you are either horribly naive.

Rather than seeing the console riding off into the sunset in the face of $399/pcs, I see the low end of the PC market, or at least the bulk of it, going to multifunction computing appliances which provide some combination of game console, Internet access, DVD player, Satelite/Digital Cable decoder and perhaps even video recorder functionality.

There is a great deal of overlap in the componentry needed for each of these tasks.

A game console will likely support DVD media.
The graphics subsystem of a console will likely support DVD decoding.
DVD decoding has a lot in common with Digital TV decoding.
Support for Internet access makes sense in a game console anyway, if only for gaming and support for web browsing and e-mail isn't particularly demanding.

These will be supplimented by various mobile computing devices and various home server devices.

There will still be a place for general purpose computing, and it is inevitable that prices will continue to drop in this space.

Official PSX 2 Tech Specs from Sony (1)

Anonymous Shepherd (17338) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999158)

Who said anything about set-top box?

Sony just wants to keep their options open for future use. Perhaps removeable media, or linking 2 PSX2k together, or something else remarkably brilliant.

It is already more than a games console; its a full entertainment center, what with PSX support, PSX2k support, DVD playback, CD playback, and quite possibly 3d sound and AC3 digital dolby surround sound...

AS
AS

Doubtful (1)

Anonymous Shepherd (17338) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999159)

So far Linux has been mentioned as a development platform, and not any sort of OS for the PS2k

AS
AS

FUD, Vaporware, and High Hopes.... (1)

Anonymous Shepherd (17338) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999160)

Probable vaporware? =)
Sony would be losing a lot of money if they didn't follow up their commanding presence of the PSX with a PSX2, so its more probable than vapor, I think... It's like calling the Merced probabale vaporware, or Win2k probably vaporware...

I'm not interested in original ideas; I just want the system so I can play my FFVIII, my FFVII, my anime DVD collection, my Metal Gear Solid, my Parasite Eve, and maybe even Square's new racing game...

What's there to be impressed about? I'm already impressed with FFVIII on a current generation PSX; It will be nice to see what magic Square and Sony can cook up with the new power of the PSX2k, what with DVD as well(Whee! Single disc games again, well, at least for a month or two...)

AS
AS

Games? (1)

Anonymous Shepherd (17338) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999161)

Why should he back it up? Go read some of the articles on the web...
http://www.rpgamer.com/news/030299a.html

It even explictly mentions backwards compatibility for the PS collection of games for the PS2k, as well as DVD support, and Linux development OS...

AS
AS

Official PSX 2 Tech Specs from Sony (1)

Anonymous Shepherd (17338) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999162)

Okay =)
I've heard it called PlayStation2000 in earlier posts...
Playstation=PSX
2000=2k...

If Sony has officially called it Playstation2, then yeah, PSX2...

AS
AS

FUD, Vaporware, and High Hopes.... (1)

Anonymous Shepherd (17338) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999163)

I value fun over innovation...

Hey, FFVIII, FFVII and Parasite Eve are fun! If the PSX2 didn't have backwards compatability, I doubt I would buy one, unless FFIX comes out for it.

I never said anything about looks being why I played or liked the games. They are really nice bonuses, but its the games first. So it seems we don't agree on the same games. You value innovation, whatever that is. Can you quantify it? Or is it just 'whatever isn't popular right now'? If the FF series of games were all text based, I would still enjoy them.

Otherwise why would I bother to buy books and read?

AS
AS

Yawwwwwn. (1)

SchoopDog (18223) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999165)

I think if you like playing with yourself... i mean by yourself.. you would love the playstation.. or if you were a hardcore gamer...
but for those of us who have seen multiplayer games... why would you want to do anything else???

U.S. ZDNet info about PSX2 (1)

zachary (18432) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999167)

ZDNet has posted a lot of information [gamespot.com] about the new console.

Intellivision (1)

davek (18465) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999168)

you do realize that the blue sky rangers programmed vectron to be unbeatable, right? Intelivision RULES!!! classicgaming [classicgaming.com]
blue sky rangers [webcom.com]
-davek

FF8 preview face again? (1)

PosPix (19728) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999177)

I was wondering the same thing. Here is the FF8 image [gaming-intelligence.com] , and the PSX2 image [gaming-age.com] .

Could these be fake, with the PSX2 image being "borrowed" from FF8?

Playstation 2 to use LINUX OS (1)

chammel (19734) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999178)

Check this out.
[psxnation.com]
http://www.psxnation.com/news/030299a.html

According to The Japanese site Gamespot it has been reported that the PlayStation 2 will use the operating environment of Linux for development! As Linux prepares to host its first huge convention this week at Linux World, this is huge news and pits Dreamcast with Windows against PlayStation with Linux. Gamespot also revealed that the specs for the CPU have been bumped up from the 250Mhz announced at the IEEE conference to 300Mhz. PSX Nation will have much more tomorrow and throughout the week


Forget Linux, I just want a JVM. (1)

Pt78 (19781) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999179)

All this baby needs now is a Java VM on it. Just think you could use Jini to connect it to your 486 server so that you can save games and Son on.

Damn you nintendo for "making" buy that piece of shit N64(a cdrom is all that was needed and Sony playstation would be dead you fools).

oh my god... (1)

dangerboy (95056) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999181)

i have to wipe the monitor off now.

Mirror Site? (1)

chiapet (122502) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999182)

I know I'll regret this but ... My mirror [149.159.45.92] . Please don't beat my computer up too much ;)

Will it have S-VIDEO out? (1)

chiapet (122502) | more than 15 years ago | (#1999183)

You can buy an S-Video out for the current Playstation. They sale for around $10. You can get one online at probably any game dealer, but I know Ebworld [ebworld.com] has them.
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