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Beastie Boys Respond to DRM Claims

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the didn't-do-nothin' dept.

Music 581

An anonymous reader notes that the Beastie Boys have responded to claims that their new album is DRM-crippled; their response is that the US and UK versions aren't crippled, and the DRM software is only installed in RAM, not on disk. See our previous story for background.

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Cognitive Dissonance? (5, Insightful)

Defiler (1693) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538618)

A) No software is permanently installed on your hard disk.
B) Check install.log on your hard disk for details.
Haha.
*weep*

Re:Cognitive Dissonance? (-1, Offtopic)

tracon5 (152442) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538628)

hey atleast theres no silverware or ladies ware installed.

Re:Cognitive Dissonance? (5, Insightful)

pimpin apollo (664314) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538677)

Yeah exactly, this is utterly insane. It's not about stopping internet 'piracy', it's pretty clear that ripping the disc is feasible; it's about making it a pain to put into itunes or whatever... so then you buy it off itunes instead of messing with it. It's like rebuying all of your records on CD. The record industry didn't forget that this is the only reason they stayed afloat in the 90s. Perhaps that's an indication that there's a bloated supply side?

Re:Cognitive Dissonance? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9538732)

I think they're referring to the system wide install .log, that it will be unchanged from before and after the CD is played on a computer. Not an install.log placed their by the copy protection software.

Re:Cognitive Dissonance? (4, Insightful)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538756)

"The copy protection system used for all EMI/Capitol releases including "To the 5 Boroughs" is Macrovision's CDS-200, which sets up an audio player into the users RAM" seems to contradict the statement that "CDS-200 does not install software applications of ANY KIND on a user's PC. All the copy protection in CDS-200 is hardware based, meaning that it is dependent on the physical properties and the format of the CD. None of the copy protection in CDS-200 requires software applications to be loaded onto a computer."

If none of the copy protection requires software applications to be loaded, why does the very same article say that it sets up an audio player in RAM?

Re:Cognitive Dissonance? (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9538760)

For all not versed in phycsobable the full term Cognitive Dissonance Reduction is Once two cognitions are held and there is a conflict of interests between them, the individual falls into a state of cognitive dissonance. This may be demonstrated by an individual purchasing a brand of washing machine, initially believing that it was the best product to buy. This person's cognition is that good washing machine has been bought. However, after the purchase, the individual may be exposed to another cognition that informs her that there is a better washing machine out on the market (for example, through an advertisement). This then leads to an imbalance between her cognitions and a psychological state which needs to seek consonance between the two cognitions.

Re:Cognitive Dissonance? (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538779)

So, check the install.log. Does it exist? If not then nothing was installed.

Re:Cognitive Dissonance? (5, Funny)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538801)

You've gotta FIGHT!
For your RIGHT!
To Ppprrrroooo-fit!

RAID meta-data ? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9538812)

I wonder if the beasties and company would pay for Ontrack to recover RAID table meta-data, as writing DRM information to hidden disk sectors will fail some RAID arrays. Remember TurboTax!

firefst post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9538621)

1st p0st!

Only in RAM? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9538622)

Oh, well that's fine then. Carry on with Beastie Boys jokes using their lyrics or song titles.

Yeah, but honey... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9538625)

... I didn't come in your mouth, I came around it!

Re:Yeah, but honey... (0, Offtopic)

ragecgi (694807) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538778)

Ok mod this funny as HELL!!!!!!!!! lol ! +20!

Sounds like a Jew response to me. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9538627)

Remember Rule #1 (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9538630)


salesmen lie (especially multi million dollar ones)

Because... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9538632)

We all know memory resident only *ware never caused any harm.

Great... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9538633)

So instead of wasting MY hard drive space, it's eating up RAM that I need to run the bloated memory hog of an OS WindowsXP.

Re:Great... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9538802)

It's only bloated if you don't know how to use it. I've only got 512mb of PC133 in this speed demon (slanted because it's going so fast) and XP runs very well. I have tons of memory free, too. Maybe you're the problem and not the OS?

So What? (5, Insightful)

cr0y (670718) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538637)

I don't care where its installed. If I am not notified when its installed. Its illegal. I think Symantec should start lumping this crap in with viruses and trojans.

Re:So What? (1)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538681)

Symantec should lump its OWN crap with viruses and trojans. Bloatware that has a virus scan function.

Re:So What? (1)

sqrt(2) (786011) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538697)

Stick with NAV 2002 or less, you can still get the latest definitions without all the added crap.

Re:So What? (4, Insightful)

Scoria (264473) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538687)

If computer viruses are released by a well-funded, "reputable" organization, then they become recognized as benevolent anti-piracy software.

Interesting.

Re:So What? (5, Insightful)

That's Unpossible! (722232) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538755)

I wasn't aware that this program installs itself, then replicates by copying itself into other programs.

Malware, maybe. Virus/Worm/Trojan? Nope.

Re:So What? (1)

WinterpegCanuck (731998) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538803)

I wasn't aware that this program installs itself, then replicates by copying itself into other programs.

That is the definition of worms, but virii can still be virii without duplicating itself. SDBot [symantec.com] is definatly a virus, but it does not replicate itself, it tricks folk into running it (well, the creator has to some how, simply emailing porn.scr should be simple enough)

Re:So What? (5, Informative)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538810)

Virus/Worm/Trojan? Nope.

Trojan, yes. All that is required for a trojan is that it masquerades as something else (music) and causes an undesired effect (enforcement of DRM).

This is definitely a trojan.

LK

Re:So What? (1)

mothz (788133) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538701)

[quote]I think Symantec should start lumping this crap in with viruses and trojans.[/quote] Right on. What happens when the next Windows virus spreads through a hole in IE/Outlook/etc. and then copies itself to any burned CDs to auto-install when it is inserted? You can be completely caught up on your security patches and have your system go boom once you want to look at a CD of family pictures or something. Hell, what happens when the RIAA has these copy-protection programs automatically copy themselves to burned CDs?

Re:So What? (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538703)

It's not installed!

It just runs an application.

Re:So What? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9538736)

Its illegal.

Care to tell us which law they're breaking? Or perhaps you meant to say "I think it should be illegal."

Re:So What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9538793)

I guess you could possibly squeeze some computer tresspass law to fit.

Norton isn't so innocent (3, Insightful)

WinterpegCanuck (731998) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538785)

I like my recycle bin the way it is, painfully microsoft, I don't need it painfully microsoft and horribly symantec at the same time. Try and walk the average home user through disabling it over the phone. . . well then, my mother has always been the hardest person for me to give tech support for. . .. too much swearing knocks me out of the will.

No "vaporware" is installed? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9538638)

Installing Vaporware? Good to know that the person who wrote that article has no clue what he/she is talking about.

Re:No "vaporware" is installed? (1)

WinterpegCanuck (731998) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538815)

WHat are talking about? I download programs onto my system all the time from cd. Just like I download my web page up to my server.

</satire>

Does it work on Linux? (5, Interesting)

thenextpresident (559469) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538639)

I live up in Montreal, Canada, and I was actually at a store yesterday, and went to buy their CD, until I noticed the big text on the CD saying it was copy-protected. Anyways, I looked on the back, and it said it only ran on Windows or Mac. So, in the end, I didn't buy the CD because of that big text saying it was copy-protected.

Will the CD play on Linux? I am all for buying their CD, but I will NOT buy a CD I can't play at work or at home.

Re:Does it work on Linux? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9538686)

Fuck off you anti-social "rebel".

Re:Does it work on Linux? (1)

kzinti (9651) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538715)

Fuck off you anti-social "rebel".

No, no, no... it's "Stay away from my house, you freak!" [cryptonomicon.com]

Re:Does it work on Linux? (1)

brandonY (575282) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538696)

While not being familiar with this particular CD, I imagine if it runs successfully in a CD player, a linux ripper will probably not notice that it is somehow protected, but I could be wrong.

Re:Does it work on Linux? (4, Interesting)

Pakaran2 (138209) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538757)

It depends if it relies on things that CD-ROM drives don't correct for, such as slightly invalid formats.

If it uses autoplay to install a driver, Linux, which doesn't support autoplay and couldn't run a windoze driver if it wanted to, will have no problem. It'd be like trying to use dutch elm disease against soldiers.

Also, keep in mind that (no duh) the Linux drivers for IDE devices are written completely separately from the Windows ones, and have different vulnerabilities (and if they have the same vunerabilities, then fine, I'll wait 3 days, emerge sync && emerge -uD world && genkernel all && emerge nvidia-kernel nvidia-glx hotplug emu10k1 and I'm all set).

It should... (1)

TWX (665546) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538699)

"Will the CD play on Linux? I am all for buying their CD, but I will NOT buy a CD I can't play at work or at home."

IIRC, it's just an autorun thing that installs the program from the data side of a mixed-mode CD. I'm not sure about the Macintosh side. I don't see why you couldn't read the audio side of the CD in Linux, and since the data side is irrelevant under Linux it shouldn't matter either way.

Re:It should... (1)

hunterx11 (778171) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538731)

Isn't mixed-mode where the data portion is track 1, but the whole disc is one session? Like all those games (Marathon 2, Warcraft II, Mechwarrior 2) that had the soundtrack if you put them into a CD player.

Re:It should... (4, Informative)

TWX (665546) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538764)

Yep. Other companies have released audio CDs with data portions, with stuff like music videos, games, info on the band, and the like on the data segment. The "soundtrack" just happens to be the bulk of the important content while the data portion is a "value added feature".

Re:Does it work on Linux? (5, Interesting)

Epistax (544591) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538720)

Did you know that you can take your CD Rom, only plug in the power supply (no IDE), and if the cd rom isn't crap (if it has more than one button, unlike my current one, and has a headphone jack) you can play the CD? Again, that's without the connect to the computer at all. I did this back home for fun since I had an extra power supply. (The supply didn't require a motherboard connection to turn on.)

Re:Does it work on Linux? (2, Informative)

fermion (181285) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538808)

A similiar thing happened to me about a year ago. I was at a house concert with an indie band. I was ready to buy thier CD until I say some crap about Windows compatibility on the back. I don't know if it was DRM, and didn't really waste my time asking. I put it back and saved my money for the indie bands that distribute standard compliant CD.

Take their word for it? (0, Offtopic)

MakoStorm (699968) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538640)

fight against the copyright machine. If you want to see old men making complete asses of themselves just go to the local nursing home. There is plenty of them, plus, admission is free, and you can tape record as much as you want. No DRM restrictions there.

No vaporware! (5, Funny)

Mold (136317) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538643)

This Macrovision technology does NOT install spyware or vaporware of any kind on a users PC.

I'm so glad they're not installing vaporware on my machine! Phew! I was worried for a bit there.

Re:yes (5, Funny)

Pakaran2 (138209) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538711)

Yeah, well, if you want to run HURD, you'll have to install it yourself, I guess. It's free software, so you'd think they could legally bundle it with a music CD, but must have decided not to.

Maybe the album couldn't be 13 years late?

Now when Macrovision starts incorporating tupperware, I'll be worried - imagine having to push the lid of the jewel case down to burp it before you can move the CD to another device.

Re:No vaporware! (1)

Dr Tall (685787) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538717)

But I want to play Duke Nukem so bad!!

So Duke Nukem Forever ISN'T installed?! (1)

mattbot 5000 (645961) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538794)

I bought that CD specifically for that vaporware!

You gotta fight for your right (0, Flamebait)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538646)

To simply be rid of bad music.

There is such a large collection of music out there that isn't mired in mediocrity. Sadly, most indies have that problem, but groups like the Indigo Girls and Outkast have shown what kind of artistic talent can be fostered when companies with some big bucks take a chance every now and then.

The Beastie Boys may have been pioneers back when rap was a blacks-only section of the record store, but these days their style is about as fresh as my underwear on Wednesday. About two days late and missing a crotch and waistband.

The real question is "who cares" about the beastie boys latest album? Who cares about 99% of the crap that comes out of the record labels. Who cares about 99.9% of the crap that comes out of the indie labels.

If you want some good music, go look for it on Kazaa where there isn't a problem with DRM. Then go out and support those bands you like.

You wanna send a message? Tell them what you like and don't support the crap you don't like.

Re:You gotta fight for your right (0, Flamebait)

Spoticus (610022) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538680)

You gotta fight
for your right
to jump the shark!

Re:You gotta fight for your right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9538726)

That's perfect man. I listen to internet radio, if I really want to support an artist, I buy the CD. I don't even have to use the cd, it can be my collectors version of the music. But I'm not going to buy some crap on the basis that it doesn't support the artist, it supports the industry. The industry is put together like they are dealing crack. It's on their terms. It has to change before anyone goes back to buying music with faith.

Damn Straight. (1, Troll)

Mark_MF-WN (678030) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538768)

I don't even care about the Beastie Boys music, but I'm downloading it right now so that I can share it out. If the artists and labels don't respect fair use, fair use will be thrust upon them.

Re:You gotta fight for your right (5, Interesting)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538773)

The problem is the people who take that same "who cares" attitude about the RIAA. People who take the "who cares" attitude about p2p or even their computers.

I was having a discussion at a family party just the other week, and was shocked to hear my GRANDMOTHER talking about how "EVIL the RIAA is" (her words). I asked her what she was talking about, and she said that the commercials where they force the children to admit to being criminals is wrong. That got my aunts asking me where to get music from. Some wanted a legal way of doing it (I got one aunt setup with iTunes) and some wanted a free way of doing it.

More and more people are noticing the RIAA and more and more people are getting sick and tired of it.

Re:You gotta fight for your right (4, Funny)

0racle (667029) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538776)

Fry: "Wow the Beastie Boys, a 1000 years ago i had all 5 of your albums."
Mike D: "Ya but that was a 1000 years ago..."
Adam Horovitz: "Now we have 7."

Vaporware? (2, Insightful)

DeepHurtn! (773713) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538649)

"This Macrovision technology does NOT install spyware or vaporware of any kind on a users PC."

Since when was anyone accusing them of using software that doesn't exist? Wouldn't we all be happy if all new spyware turned out to be vaporware?

So.. (5, Interesting)

t_allardyce (48447) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538651)

Are they admitting themselves that the DRM is totally crap and easily by-passed and that most rippers will easily be able to get this on the P2P networks thus defeating the entire purpose of the system because now only clue-less users will be stopped by it and its mainly these clue-less users who wish to honestly copy the CD for fair-use reasons?

Re:So.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9538824)

bypass and clueless are wo-rds.
fair-use is-n't

This is not a cd then (5, Insightful)

cove209 (681558) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538652)

Can they call this a cd then? Does it conform to red book standards?

Re:This is not a cd then (1)

Trillan (597339) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538688)

I don't have a copy, but from actually reading the original article -- yes, it conforms to red book standards. The issue is content (malware), not structure.

Re:This is not a cd then (2, Insightful)

Pakaran2 (138209) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538700)

I don't think you can trademark an abbreviation, or common noun - hence George Eastmasn couldn't trademark "film" and Intel couldn't trademark processor numbers.

As such, calling it a CD - compact disc - is fine, since it's a disc that's smaller than a record. I think the trademark is "CD-Audio" and the logo.

Re:This is not a cd then (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538741)

I think the trademark is "CD-Audio" and the logo.

I think you're right. I've heard that they aren't allowed to (and therefore don't) put the "compact disc audio" logo on CDs with this copy protection.

Re:This is not a cd then (1)

Pakaran2 (138209) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538818)

You *can* trademark a common noun in a novel context - "Apple Computer," "Big Mac," "Mandrake."

What you can't do is trademark it in a situation where others might very likely want to use it for reasons unrelated to pretending to be you.

Re:This is not a cd then (0, Troll)

Marshall Banana, Esq (791211) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538708)

According to this [realmedia.com] article, they sure don't.

Re:This is not a cd then (1)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538730)

The copy protection system used for all EMI/Capitol releases including "To the 5 Boroughs" is Macrovision's CDS-200, which sets up an audio player into the users RAM (not hard drive) to playback the RED book audio on the disk. It does absolutely NOT install any kind of spyware, shareware, silverware, or ladies wear onto the users system.

Which is it? (1)

Mark_MF-WN (678030) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538798)

I've read that the "RAM player" plays back the RED book audio, and also that it plays back "encrypted WMA files". Which is it? Can't these people even get their story straight?

Re:This is not a cd then (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9538799)

Can they call this a cd then? Does it conform to red book standards?

Can they call this music then? Or even rap? Does it meet anyone's standards?

Beastie Boys: -10 Hugely Overrated

Although, given that at least one of them sounds like a total nerd, it's a shame they're alienating a large proportion of Slashdotters.

haha (4, Insightful)

wankledot (712148) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538657)

"This Macrovision technology does NOT install spyware or vaporware of any kind on a users PC."

Uh... do they even know what vaporware means? I love press releases like this, they should just how little the PR goons know about anything related to this technology.

"Where did Duke Nukem Forever come from?!" (2, Funny)

loyalsonofrutgers (736778) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538658)

The newspost on the Beastie Boys website also includes the denial that the CD installs any vaporware on the user's PC. This has clueless manager written allllll over it.

Re:"Where did Duke Nukem Forever come from?!" (5, Funny)

tigress (48157) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538691)

Oh? I dare you to prove that it DOES install vaporware. :D

Hmm... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9538665)

"It does absolutely NOT install any kind of spyware, shareware, silverware, or ladies wear onto the users system."

I dunno, lonely men will pay a lot for certain types of "ladies wear" on the Internet. Maybe this could be a new RIAA marketing scheme...

Just Another Reason For News (1)

artlu (265391) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538668)

Like most security measures, there will always be some sort of method of bypassing the security. However, the recording industries must waste money trying to convince consumers and management that evil MP3s will not be created. Honestly, in the worst case scenario, I could always play the CD on my home stereo and connect the output into the audio-in on my PC and record the damn thing in SoundForge or the like.

I guess it is just people doing their jobs. :(

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Re:Just Another Reason For News (1)

Anml4ixoye (264762) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538706)

Honestly, in the worst case scenario, I could always play the CD on my home stereo and connect the output into the audio-in on my PC and record the damn thing in SoundForge or the like.

And that they understand. Becuase then you are making an analog copy that is degraded from the original. Same scenario if you try to make a copy of a cassette - your only basic option is to capture first in analog before you convert it to digital thereby reducing the sound quality.

Re:Just Another Reason For News (3, Insightful)

cens0r (655208) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538743)

But my CD player as spdif out, and my computer has spdif in. All it takes is one person like me to put it on the internet and then the cats out of the bag, and trust me when I say I'm not the only one with digital connections on my equipment.

Broadcast Flag (2, Insightful)

Mark_MF-WN (678030) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538811)

This is why "broadcast flag" technology is being added to digital media streams and to all media-player hardware. So that even that option wont be available.

Duh? (0, Redundant)

tigersaw (665217) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538670)

Phase 1: Hold Shift Key Phase 2: ??? Phase 3: Profit!!

Re:Duh? (1)

brandonY (575282) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538719)

Was that a question? Phase 2 was press the rip button in iTunes.

Vaporware on a Music CD? (0, Redundant)

davidmandle (758509) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538672)

This Macrovision technology does NOT install spyware or vaporware of any kind on a users PC

Vaporware? Something tells me the guy who wrote doesn't know what he's talking about.

Re:Vaporware on a Music CD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9538704)

The guy that wrote this knows a hell of a lot more about his occupation than you do. Stop being such a techno-prick, please!

Server is to Busy: Here is the Text (3, Informative)

thenextpresident (559469) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538676)

1. There is NO copy controlled software on US or UK releases of Beastie Boys' "To the 5 Boroughs."

2. The disk *IS* copy controlled in Europe - which is standard policy for all
Capitol/EMI titles (and a policy used by ALL major labels in Europe).

3. The copy protection system used for all EMI/Capitol releases including "To the 5 Boroughs" is Macrovision's CDS-200, which sets up an audio player into the users RAM (not hard drive) to playback the RED book audio on the disk. It does absolutely NOT install any kind of spyware, shareware, silverware, or ladies wear onto the users system.

You can find more information on the technology used here:
http://www.macrovision.com/products/cds/cds 200/ind ex.shtml

This is what EMI has to say about it:
Reports that "spyware" is being included on the Beastie Boy's CD, 'To The Five Boroughs' are absolutely untrue.

While the Beastie Boys CD does use copy control in some territories, there is no copy control on the Beasties Boys discs in the US or the UK. Where copy protection is used, it is Macrovision's CDS-200 technology; the same technology being used for the past several months around the world for all of EMI's releases in those territories. This Macrovision technology does NOT install spyware or vaporware of any kind on a users PC. In fact, CDS-200 does not install software applications of ANY KIND on a user's PC. All the copy protection in CDS-200 is hardware based, meaning that it is dependent on the physical properties and the format of the CD. None of the copy protection in CDS-200 requires software applications to be loaded onto a computer.

The technology does activate a proprietary Macrovision player in order to play the CD on a PC, and that player converts WMA compressed files to audio on the fly. It also temporarily installs a graphic "skin" for the player. Nothing is permanently installed on a hard drive. These details can be verified in the 'install.log' file in the computer's root directory.

Re:Server is to Busy: Here is the Text (1)

senzafine (630873) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538714)

It's unfortunate that it's come to this. Artists don't have as much say in wether or not DRM is on their cds or not. Their recording label and the RIAA control alot of that.

The last cd I had which was copy-protected wouldn't even play in my cdrom. And of course I couldn't return it. I was pissed...but what can ya do?

Re:Server is to Busy: Here is the Text (2, Insightful)

thenextpresident (559469) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538747)

Not buy the CD. I won't buy CD's that are copy-protected. Basically, if I see that it's copy-protected, I look for the CD logo. If it's not on there, why would I want to buy something that isn't a CD?

Oh, it sucks. I like the Beastie Boy's, and I was going to buy their CD. I picked it up, and started walking to the register. But as soon as I saw that it was protected, I put it back.

I will buy CD's. I won't buy things that look like CD's, but aren't.

Re:Server is to Busy: Here is the Text (1)

senzafine (630873) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538821)

True. After my experience I no longer buy DRM'ed cds. I do however wish the artist would provide alternative ways for their fans to support them. If it's "buy our DRM'ed cd or nothing"...I'll continue to look at soulseek.

Re:Server is to Busy: Here is the Text (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9538819)

Artists don't have as much say in wether or not DRM is on their cds or not. Their recording label and the RIAA control alot of that.

I hate to nitpick (what am I saying? no I don't!), but the RIAA has NOTHING to do with this one. The last A there stands for America. In case you didn't RTFA, this is happening in Europe. Were this to involve some DRM scheme on the US release, then yes, it would be involve the RIAA.

Re:Server is to Busy: Here is the Text (2, Insightful)

cpghost (719344) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538750)

These details can be verified in the 'install.log' file in the computer's root directory.

and

This Macrovision technology does NOT install spyware or vaporware of any kind on a users PC. In fact, CDS-200 does not install software applications of ANY KIND on a user's PC. All the copy protection in CDS-200 is hardware based,

So, if everything is hardware protection, why do they touch some "install.log" in the computer's root directory?

"This Macrovision technology does NOT install spyware or vaporwaere..." of course not. We call this mandatory DRM protection over here at EMI; not "spyware."

Re:Server is to Busy: Here is the Text (1)

ch3 (701440) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538786)

So, if I understand correctly, we (European minus UK) are considered as notorious pirates that rip everything passing by? Nice...

Google cache (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9538689)

Google cache [216.239.57.104]

You've got to fight... for your right.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9538693)

...to spy on yer cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh-stuh-merrrs!!!

mirror? (0, Redundant)

dan_sdot (721837) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538713)

Hey, does anyone have a mirror or can anyone copy/paste the news?
We slashdotted the Beastie Boys!! Thats awsome.
"You gotta fight...
for your right....
for bandwidth!!!"

Have we all forgotten about the SHIFT key? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9538718)

Much ado for nothing...

Ill Communication (4, Funny)

barcodez (580516) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538723)

Looks like their server has some Ill Communication they had better get their root down

Re:Ill Communication (2, Funny)

ideatrack (702667) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538766)

I don't know, that's gratitude for you. It could be sabotage, but I'm sure it'll be alive again soon. Let's hope they get it together.

Khuhuhuhuhuh.

It worked (1, Insightful)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538727)

The best thing about this was that the public outcry worked enough to demand a statement from the artists (or at least the artists' minders). It shows that the RIAA model of distrusting the customer is flawed, and that the people still have some power. Perhaps in the future, the awareness of this sort of malware will help prevent it from propagating further.

Damn fool DRM & how to circumvent it (-1)

Chris Tucker (302549) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538738)

(maybe. If anyone actually does successfully rip the DRMed CD by this method, please post the details so we can all benefit. I'd try it myself, but as I live in the US, I'm not about to waste my money ordering a CD from Europe of a group I don't particularly care for.)

I get the impression from what I've read, that the Mac DRM only works with OS X.

If so, may I suggest the following:

Get a cheap, used PowerMac with a working CD drive, the System 7.6.1 install disk, and a copy of SoundJam MP V.1.

Install System 7.6.1, install SoundJam MP, rip the fucking HELL out of the CD and share with ALL your friends, far and wide.

Oooopsss! I mean, make your backups of the tracks on the CD and store those backup safely offsite.

And then tell the "Boys" to fuck off and die until they tell their record company that they will not tolerate DRM on their CDs in future.

Re:Damn fool DRM & how to circumvent it (1)

BandwidthHog (257320) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538827)

I get the impression from what I've read, that the Mac DRM only works with OS X.

I heard that it only worked under Mac OS 9 and/or Classic, as Mac OS X doesn't have an analogous autoplay feature. Actually, I read recently that 10.0 and 10.1 did, but they removed it at 10.2 Not sure if that's really the case, though.

If so, may I suggest the following:

Don't buy that shit.

Torrent (5, Interesting)

barcodez (580516) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538759)

The first torrent of this album was uploaded to the most famous of the torrent sites on the 4th June. This DRM thing is obviously pointless. What's the point DRMing in one market and not another - the Internet doesn't respect physical boundaries.

If I was feeling cynical I would think they are just doing this for publicity.

Re:Torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9538807)

You wouldn't happen to be referring to SUPRNOVA.ORG , would you?

Not that I am suggesting that anyone go to that site...

Err, Redbook != WMA (5, Insightful)

murderlegendre (776042) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538765)

Am I the only one who sees a strange contradiction between the following lines in the press release?

The copy protection system used for all EMI/Capitol releases including "To the 5 Boroughs" is Macrovision's CDS-200, which sets up an audio player into the users RAM (not hard drive) to playback the RED book audio on the disk.

Vs.

The technology does activate a proprietary Macrovision player in order to play the CD on a PC, and that player converts WMA compressed files to audio on the fly.

So, which is it then? A Redbook audio cd, or a data CD with WMA compressed files? Am I reading this right?

don't be so hard on the Beasties (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9538770)

After all, this only affects 94% of the world. Besides, it's the poorest 94%, right (my apologies to W. Europe), and we all know you can't trust poor people.

Bought it, ripped it, stored it (3, Informative)

snillfisk (111062) | more than 10 years ago | (#9538774)

.. and all that were done in Europe (where the CD actually contains a "Copy Controlled"-marking, which I didn't see anything about when ordering it on the web), under Windows 2000 (with Auth-play disabled). The OGGs came out perfectly fine without any problems. Yes, the CD should be perfectly playable under linux (unless someone has implemented insertion notification and auto-run and automagical installation and implementation of windows drivers into the kernel. ;)

And this also goes for all other current protection systems that I've had my hands on during the last months.. No idea why they even try.

wem... "only" installed in ram (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9538806)

Yay. Now we have a way to legally crack windoze systems around the world. All we have to do is to make and burn an autorun.inf pointing to whatever backdoor, trojan or other malware we want to spread around, then pass it on to the clueless users who haven't disabled that "feature"
Should make for some interesting time ahead...

Thanks for the UK/US tip btw. I still want UB40 - Homegrown, but I'm only paying for errorfree goods.

Obligatory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9538809)

You gotta FIGHT for your RIGHT to PIIIIIIII-RATE!

Self-obligatory response:
Simpsons: It's been done.
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