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GNOME 1.0 Released 1095

Posted by justin++ from the hurrah! dept.
The illustrious Elliot Lee writes "GNOME 1.0 is now available for download. Please peruse the press release and then download it via a convenient FTP mirror (as soon as they sync up). " Update: 03/04 08:36 by J : Whoops - forgot to plug my own program! If you've installed GNOME and want scrolling Slashdot headlines on your panel, check under Panel Applets ->Amusements->SlashApp. Thanks John, Chris, Fred, and everyone else!
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  • maybe if you werent such a fucking moron you could figure out how to compile it.

    go back to windows, its obviously where you belong
  • All this talk of panels reminds me of the greatest Windows utility/application to ever exist... Dashboard for Win3.1. This is the awesome utility that took the place of Program Manager and got me through those trying times. This was five years ago and it had things like:
    • virtual desktops
    • quick launch buttons
    • performance/system monitor
    • popup menus
    • folders in folders (impossible with Program Manager)
    • and more


    This was before I discovered they power of the penguin. It delayed my "upgrade" to Win95 for several months because the Win95 UI sucked compared to Dashboard. Dashboard (now owned by Starfish) for Win95 sucked becuase, unlike previous versions, it made things slower.

    Now, I use KDE, and I like kpanel. When I get back home, I will be trying Gnome 1.0 on one of my PCs. In the past it has not impressed me, but it has been a long time since I checked it out.

  • That's a great attitude.

    Though it is currently difficult for a computer illiterate to use a computer (regaurdless of OS) that doesn't mean that ease of use shouldn't be a goal. Right now most of the world runs a MS OS on their desktop. Do you think we should accept that? Or, should we try and build the best darn OS we can so people can have a truly great system? Damn straight we should!

    World Domination!

    Penguin Power!

  • jnik wrote:

    Federico works at RHAD, not Miguel (IIRC).

    Miguel works as a Network Administrator at UNAM, a huge University in Mexico City.

    Federico was hired by RHAD, but only after he had done huge amounts work on GNOME on his own time already.
  • Don't depend on debs or rpms! Arrrrrrggh!
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  • I know of 192 Sun SparcStation 10's that can be started in OpenLook mode. They even have OpenLook apps. Too bad OpenLook is the most horrible user interface ever designed, bar none.

  • ? (Score:1)

    by whoop ( 194 )
    Does GNOME require you to build a window manager that is compliant with it, the way KDE does? To use all the nifty features, that is. I'm sure some programs will work OK and all with any wm...
  • One person up above said this has been out since Monday. If that's the case, these are some sad mirrors. :) I've gone to probably 10 of them, and not a one has the files.

    Guess I'll just stick to KDE for a couple weeks for things to die down...
  • I had set up a 486/25 with 16mb ram for a relative with KDE. Worked fine for the 6 months or so before they bought a new computer. Aside from the kids always wanting to just shut it off and not properly shut down...
  • And then there's the classes of people that feel all people should use only one certain set of libs, be it KDE or GNOME.

    All the bickering will get us nowhere.
  • Actually, to anyone who's seen it, KDE looks waaaay more CDE-derived than it does Windows-derived. Windows just copied CDE... ;)
  • /me raises his hand carefully

    Where did the files go?!? They seem to be missing.. Even on ftp.gnome.org!! Oh well, I'm sure they'll appear soon ;-)
  • And I got the last one, right???
  • I'm NOT sorry to say that the KDE era is not even close to over. As long as there are people who support it (and there DEFINITELY are) KDE will continue to be the best. A 1.0 release of guh-noom doesn't automatically make it great.
  • I'll admit I haven't tried Gnome on a daily basis yet, but my KDE is very useable on my P133/48Megs RAM. I'm running multiple terminal, Netscape, wordprocessor, 3d software and always with some elaborate backgrounds. Never noticed a slowdown in any of these preceding combination; the system always responds quickly. Even my younger sisters (10-14) find it very nice...

    I guess I just haven't tasted the speed of a P2 yet...

  • Cool (Score:1)

    by drwiii ( 434 )
    Maybe I'll give it a try..
  • Gee, you're a nice fellow.

    Just a point: none of the statements in this thread (so far) cross the line into libel by US definitions.

    As for calling people stupid, I'd think that such an intelligent fellow as yourself could either rise above such name-calling or at least think of something original or entertaining.

    In other words, don't be a troll, smeghead.

    ----

  • facts. He is employed by a research institution in Mexico City and does work on GNOME on his time.
  • Bugs are inevitable. Checking `critical' bugs, I see none. If everyone waited until every single bug is gone, we'd never ever get any software. Debian has bugs. Even with known fixes. And it will still ship 2.1 with those bugs intact, because sometimes you just can't risk fixing one bug and breaking ten other things. Somewhere, a line has to be drawn.
  • that's because E is not written by the people who made GNOME, but by Raster and Mandrake. It just happens to be the most gnome-compliant window manager. If you don't like it, use Window Maker - that also obeys gnome hints.
  • All over I see people bashing GNOME for being 'not ready,' even if they haven't tried it yet. Those people don't realise that a major new release is nearly always quickly followed up with a patchlevel release. I didn't see you when it happened to samba 2.0 (.1,oops, .2, oops..) and I didn't see it happen when our beloved Linux kernel had its own brown-paper-bag bugs. It's always something - people have to bash or they can't have fun, or something.

    To be fair, it's my general thought that once you think a project is completely finished, you should release it (as -final, a la Linus) about a week before you dub it x.0. There are *always* bugs that will only show up when you're ready to move to a new major release - they wait for it, maliciously. Evil bugs. ;)

    In any case, if you're going to bash a product for not being ready at a .0 major release, don't limit yourself to GNOME. Otherwise you're showing yourself to be the hypocrate (sp?) that you are.

  • Because, most people don't want to have to learn anything... they just want to get their work done. With that said, I would like to add that most folk I know have to go through nine shades of holy h*ll to keep their Windows running. Think how easy it would be to have Linux preinstalled with no need for configuration. Maybe remote configuration by your service provider. Maybe autoconfiguration for a particular task etc..

    Linux has so many possibilities and GNOME is one of them. :)
  • There are too many variables to make a clear cut answer. WINE code is completely independant of GNOME as all it requires for display is X. GNOME provides the same kind of DnD, Cut-N-Paste, Networked Object Model(with advanced messaging) for application interoperability as COM/DCOM with some obvious overhead required. So, the less you have running on your system, the faster WINE will run.

    Hopefully, GNOME will make WINE obsolete then all the guys who do such a good job on WINE will be free to work on other projects - GNOME could benefit from such talent as it is the same kind of interface programming.

    I haven't tried to upgrade my GNOME lately but I'm definately interested - especially if tremendous speed improvements have been made and configuration details have been ironed out. If WINE runs faster under the newest version of GNOME than previous versions, then count me in!
  • Posted by Saurus:

    nah, they said 1.0 on wednesday.
  • Posted by Saurus:

    thanks Fizgig. i've copied his *rpms onto my website also. they're available at http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~staylor/gnome

    i recommend using wget for retrieval (e.g. wget -r -l2 http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~staylor/gnome)
  • Posted by Moritz Moeller - Herrmann:

    on technical merits and stability.

    GNOME has been a political project from the beginning. Unlike KDE that had the goal to provide an userfriendly desktop to all unixes.

    Maybe we will be able to compare Gnome and KDE on their technical merits.

    But as this post indicates there will always be people who like to convince others with their beliefs and morals.

    I am not surprised the gnomes chose linuxworld for their release. After all we can all learn from Microsoft that marketing is much more important than good programming.

    Still congratulations. Nice to have a second desktop ecnvironment.

    I hope Gnome will one day have features KDE doesn't have. That way KDE can copy from Gnome as well....
  • Posted by OGL:

    Exact same way

    -W.W.
  • Posted by OGL:

    It really is NOT that huge at 1280x1024!

    -W.W.
  • Posted by OGL:

    Sorry, I was hoping for an improvement as well, but unfortunetly it crashes anytime I close a file's property window. Oh well. I tried to set gnome-edit to nedit, but for some retarded reason it opens an xterm before opening nedit...pathetic. The menu editor is REALLY bad this time as well...it crashes all the time, when you do anything. Overall I'd say this was somewhat dissapointing. Some parts of it seem pretty finished, but others are just awful, not even worthy of a 0.2 release.

    -W.W.
  • Posted by FrodoLives:

    what?

  • I used to run KDE 1.0 on a P90 at work with excellent stability. I can only say that KDE got confused once in about 9 months of use. Who knows it may have recovered, but I just killed it.

    Also ran KDE on every desk top in the office, about 12 or so. Ran fine, all of them P75 to P133 w/ 32M of RAM.

  • Incorrect. Gnome does not aim at the uber-geeks; it's aimed at computer users everywhere. And if it makes *my* life easier, it will probably make the lives of people everywhere easier.

    Computers will never be as easy to use as toasters. And they don't have to be. Clerks, grandmas, and kids know a hell of a lot about computers, and as computers grow more ubiquitous, the level of expertise will also rise. Computers will become easier to use than they are now, but they will always require some skill.

    Reading is not an easy task-- yet most people are able to read. I maintain that learning how to use a computer is easier than learning to read. And I can prove it. My daughter could use the computer long before she could read. (Computer: 2.5 years. Books: 5 years.)

    Since Gnome allows you to make the best use of your computer (of all the desktops I've used, anyway), I don't see why it can't succeed.

    Plus, this isn't an all-or-nothing proposition. And since Corel doesn't even *have* a desktop, I don't see why you bring them up. (They may have one in the future. I wouldn't bet on it. Chances are they will just use KDE.) KDE and Gnome can co-exist with a command-line-only interface, and even with MS-Win2k/99/2001. I don't see why that can't continue.

    - Tony
  • Where can I find a listing of those Salaries?

    R2
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  • On the other hand, I think I'm still being haunted by by the Ghost of GNOME Past, since I downloaded everything in source, followed the instructions on www.gnome.org with the care of a Buddhist monk pronouncing a Vedic hymn, and libgnomeui still won't build for me (an undefined symbol having to do with gtk_imlib or something; I'm at the wrong machine now. It's in a routine loading a png into a canvas, if I recall). It's probably due to some old header files or libs lying around in the wrong place, but I've looked for them and can't find 'em.

    Over its history (and possibly still), GNOME stuff has lived in various places depending on when (0.2x vs now) and how (rpm vs tar.gz) it was installed. Does anybody have a script that will search and destroy all obsolete GNOME cruft everywhere?

    Craig
    still using KDE... and xfce, and wmx, and WM...

  • I was under the impression that although C calling conventions were tightly specified in their type conversions, argument order, and stack handling, the layout of the C++ object's internal structure -- in particular, its method vector table -- was left up to the compiler implementor.

    If I'm right about this, it would seem to me that adding language bindings to a C++ library would be substantially trickier than to a C library.

    Myself, I prefer to work in C++, but de gustibus non est disputandum (except of course that COBOL sucks and RPG is a joke...).

    Craig

  • ... you have to configure imlib --with-GMODULE
    or the piece of code libgnomeui needs doesn't get
    built.

    Also the intl/ directories in several of the
    source tarballs are missing a header file; just
    find it in one of the other tarballs and dump
    it in...

    Craig
  • That was a notoriously buggy redhat release. You should take this experience to be a bad impression of RH5.1, not gnome 1.0.
  • probably about the same time you get your capslock fixed.
  • Does 1.0 still use that funny looking G-shaped foot for the start menu? I'm thinking Red Hat will replace that with a pic of the red hat guy when they ship 6.0.

    TedC

  • Yes, some screenshots would be nice, especially "normal" looking screenshots showing the defaults. I've seen enough wacked out themes for at least the next 90 days or so...

    TedC

  • It's yet another Gnome/KDE article inciting a flame war! How original.

  • Wow (Score:1)

    by On Lawn ( 1073 )
    I don't want to read through 700+ comments, can someone just give me the gist?

    (btw, wheres Ivan, redwolf and bored in an intense discussion like this. At the time of this writing it is an 89% AC crowd. AC's are lame.)
    ^~~^~^^~~^~^~^~^^~^^~^~^~~^^^~^^~~^~~~^~~^ ~
  • Thanks you two, I guess that simply sums it up.

    Ahh I still remember the great KDE flame by Bruce Perens. It overloaded Robs little server in a most grotesque fashion.

    As far as KDE vs Gnome, I use neither. Although Windowmaker is compliant with both, its perfectly good on its own.
    ^~~^~^^~~^~^~^~^^~^^~^~^~~^^^~^^~~^~~~^~~^~
  • Do it again tomorrow?
    ^~~^~^^~~^~^~^~^^~^^~^~^~~^^^~^^~~^~~~^ ~~^~
  • first reply to first post!
  • you make kde look good
  • woohoo!!!
  • to get the last comment. I hope the debs come out soon.

  • WIMP (Score:1)

    by kfort ( 1132 )
    Windows, icons, menus, pointer
  • That cartoon ruled.

    Btw, last post.
  • so I can get last comment

  • I doubt (Score:1)

    by kfort ( 1132 )
    the fsf would sell you a proprietary licence for $1500. Would be interesting though. of course, thats just for the gnu libs

  • I want (Score:1)

    by kfort ( 1132 )
    debs and the last post

  • LAST! (Score:1)

    by kfort ( 1132 )
    I LIKE TEA

  • last (Score:1)

    by kfort ( 1132 )
    last
  • I want it bad
  • I'll second that.
  • Yeehah! GNOME 1.0 has now generated more comment traffic than that Iraq story a few months ago. Forget Clinton v. Sadaam, GNOME v. KDE is a real war.
  • And that across a VNC connection. Worked fine to me.
  • Um, click "Panel: This Panel Properties" -- Autohide is the first option there. Works quite nicely.

    Adam
  • I've been having the same probs, and now I got in on first try. not oly that, but its runnin at a good 60-80k off the t1 here at school...God Bless dorm inet connections :)

    -----
    If Bill Gates had a nickel for every time Windows crashed...
  • Actually, many of the components of GNOME fall under the GPL, rather than the LGPL. Run the following command against the GNOME 1.0 RPMs, for example:

    rpm -qip * |grep GPL |grep -v LGPL
    ...
    Size : 479065 License: GPL
    Size : 3931709 License: GPL
    Size : 424189 License: GPL
    Size : 188812 License: GPL
    ...

    I believe that GNOME is trying to follow the FSF philosophy of LGPLing things for which there are many or a common non-free alternative(s), and using the GPL where this isn't the case.

    Regards,
    Drel
  • sod.res.cmu.edu is up to date, as are several mirrors I tried (sod seemed the fastest, so that's the one I pulled most of the packages from).

    That said, there has been a history of what could be called premature announcements on Slashdot, which have overwhelmed the main server for something before the mirrors for the software had a chance to grab it.
  • I'm running GNOME 0.99.8 at the moment (will be upgrading to 1.0 later today), and have no problems. GNOME 0.99.8 included a package called GTK+10, which is a set of compatibility libraries to run apps linked against GTK / glib 1.0.x.

    I don't see gtk+10 in GNOME 1.0, which tells me something may have changed between GTK+ 1.1.x and GTK+ 1.2 in regards to backwards compatibility, so you may want to do some digging on www.gtk.org.

    AFAIK, GTK+ 1.2 can co-exist with GTK+ 1.0; however, you must make sure that you remove any existing development packages from 1.0 before installing 1.2 development packages.

    If anyone has a definitive answer on this issue, I'd love to hear it as well!

  • Mirror (Score:1)

    by Drel ( 1281 )
    man 5 ftpaccess

    (you're looking for the limit directive).

    Drel
  • Check the blackbox web site: http://blackbox.wiw.org/

    The latest version (0.50.3) is GNOME aware.
  • I had just the OPPOSITE.. My wife uses KDE regularly, without any problems at all.. I prefer Gnome myself, but I fear that KDE has beat the pants out of Gnome as far as a 1.0 release..
  • Derived from what? A small tasklist at the bottom of the screen, with a button to bring up a menu? How is panel even CLOSE to that?

    Ok, maybee they stole the idea of pushing a button, but I'm SURE that buttons are considered common use enough.. ;-P

    Have you ever tried to add a configurable launcher to the taskbar? How about a small application to display data? Resize your taskbar? Have SEVERAL of them on different edges and corners of your screen? Common..
  • Three.. But then again, if you have HUNDREDS of systems having problems, then they only have ONE common denominator.. You've got something going on funny.. Are you sure it's not X? What problems do you have..
  • You have an obsolete libdb, which has an incorrect implementation of snprintf, which masks the correct one in libc. Upgrade it; most distributions should have a fixed one out (even slackware), since it's also causing a security hole in sendmail, or something like that.
  • Please, grow up. Your arrogance and ignorance are annoying. You're the troll. Leave.
  • I don't know about anyone else, but I think it's too early. I know you can't wait forever, but there's one thing expected of point-oh releases - stability. Sure gnome is reasonably stable given its development time, but I can't imagine its improved _that_ much since 0.99.3 that I'm using.

    Let the flames begin...
  • ..and the problem is? I don't understand all this whining about support libraries. Code reuse is Good(tm).

    I rather see it like - "wow, I get all this stuff without having to pay for it and it includes the source code".

    Btw, with Debian apt will let you download it in a few steps.

    /mill
  • Keep it a secret, but GNOME 1.0 _is_ versioned 1.0.1, at least for many of the packages.
  • Umm, you can hide the pager.

    That's been in there as long as I can remember (before 0.13?)
  • yeah
  • Wow, that was a very witty and clever response.

    Anyway, did you read that the person said they were HAPPY with WM and an xterm? Why must you force KDE (or GNOME if you had said that) upon them? If that is what you use and prefer, that is great for you; use it.

    But don't try and tell someone, who at least gave GNOME a (small?) chance, that they should use KDE just because it is there. I am sure they have looked into it.
  • What in particular didn't compile? I know for a fact there is working code, since I am running it (and have been for months). Did you read some (of the little) documentation that is included with gnome? Maybe try checking the mailing list archives for people with a similar problem.
  • No, I am not a moron.

    I have been running GNOME for almost a year. The commenter said that NO code worked, and this isn't the case since many many people (including me) are using it every day.

    Sorry to dissappoint.
  • Do you really think people with such an agenda (originally to kill KDE) really care about usability from the perspective of a non-nerd who may want to use Linux to do the things most computer users want a desktop environment for?

    Yes, they do. Usability is discussed all of the time on mailing lists and irc.
  • ...as does GNOME.

    The press release [gnome.org] says so at least. Except for SCO; it might, might not.
  • qvwm is..saw it on Freshmeat recently..
  • I've been compiling Gnome from CVS for a couple of months. It takes my computer the better part of a day. He may want to use the program.. :-)
  • I've got CVS Gnome on my computer. It's incredibly stable...given where it was a month or so ago. But whose decision was it to go to 1.0.0? Was this just because we ran out of numbers? Hearing about it first on slashdot was also somewhat..amusing..it hasn't been announced on Gnome-List...

    I suspect the only thing at 1.0.0 is gnome-libs. Everything else is too flaky still. (in gmc: right-click on a file icon. Select "Properties". Click on "Cancel".) I'm already having enough trouble dealing with people who complain about Gnome's alphaness...

    (otoh..most components are almost as stable as the Microsoft equivalents and don't show any sign of ceasing to improve. So it's no less newbie-friendly than Windows and can't do anything but get better.. :-) )

    Daniel
  • Debian makes it hard to see the latest bug fixes? Have you seen the BTS [debian.org] or looked at the security section of the web pages or the proposed-updates packages?

    Daniel

  • ha... (Score:1)

    by Daniel ( 1678 )
    Actually, E isn't that bloated if you use a reasonable theme..I'm running the E-Mac theme right now and it takes up an incredibly small amount of memory. Like a meg or two.

    Daniel
  • I am very grateful; I think Gnome will be a really great suite of programs when it's finished. Let me repeat that last line, when it's finished. I personally use it all the time. BUT. I currently have half a dozen to a dozen bug reports on the BTS ranging from minor glitches to several reproducible segfaults from common actions. And I don't post every time I encounter a bug. I've been following CVS since last October, and I'm afraid--that they'll just make themselves look silly by releasing Gnome in the state it's in now as "1.0.0". Anyway, looking forward to the 'real' 1.0.0 release next month...

    (and yes, 1.0.0 often has bugs. But not nearly so blatant as these.)

    Daniel
  • I think. Being a Debian user, I said "oh, neat!" when they started using debbugs and I've been submitting bugs to it on a fairly regular basis ever since... (I said 6-12 earlier but I think it's more) I'm not even counting bug reports on gnome-list. Many.
    I think I've had 3-4 responses and maybe one of the bugs was fixed. In another case I was told that it was a feature (I still say mixers should read the settings from the sound card when they start up), I was told that a bug against the panel was fixed in CVS (it wasn't--I run CVS--and some other people submitted reports to gnome-list in the last 24 hours. No-one has responded yet). Several of these reports involved crashes from very simple actions: for example, right-click on an icon in gmc, select "Preferences", and click "Cancel". *boom*. segfault. I'd fix it myself but I don't have time to learn how gmc works internally on top of everything else... I also submitted a couple of (very) minor bugfixes. So am I qualified to complain that they're making us all look silly? I'm taking the position that it's just a version number...what they release next month will be the 'real' 1.0.0. :-)

    Daniel
  • I wish they'd made it clear that only gnome-libs is really stable though. :-( A full 1.0 release is just...silly. *sigh*. Hopefully not too much damage is done.

    Daniel
  • I'd like to see users using Gnome. Which is why I wish they had kept the lid on it for..say..a month..or two..or three...
    I originally thought this was just a nuisance..but I'm starting to wonder if it could be a catastrophe. What was Miguel thinking??? Can someone explain why he felt he had to rush the 1.0 release? And if you say "RedHat"...you lose. RedHat!=Gnome. (If that is true..why did Debianizing files go into CVS?)
    Oh well. Damage control time I guess. :-)

    Daniel
  • I think you are discovering how difficult it is to keep your system up-to-date if you compile everything yourself. :-) Seriously, as I've said before, 90% of the non-Gnome support libraries are available on any self-respecting recent system.
    By my count, you need the following 'Gnome' packages to have Gnome:
    • ORBit - a CORBA ORB. Written for Gnome but usable without it (AFAIK) as well. Therefore, a separate package.
    • gnome-libs - the only thing that's really 1.0 here, this provides tons of useful helper functions.
    • gnome-core - contains the panel and a few basic apps (terminal, editor, menu editor). Of course, you won't be able to do much with it. Would you prefer if Gnome had tied mc directly into the core libraries so you could never use another file manager? Integration! Easier to compile! Benefits the user!

      Daniel
  • Right now I'm in the process of switching from wmaker to E, having finally found a theme that's pretty and doesn't eat memory like crazy. Enlightenment takes around one or two megs of memory, and my X server takes up no more than usual, when I'm running it. (it's E-Mac, posted to e.themes.org recently) It doesn't have as many key/mousebindings as I'd like but I've sent the author some suggestions and it sounds like he'll incorporate them. It looks like the next release will be Very Good Indeed.
    Where was I? Oh yeah. E doesn't look like Win9x. :-)

    Daniel
  • Not that that's helped them.. :-( (the best BTS doesn't help if the developers and users ignore it..I submitted a pygtk program to gnome-list that gives a nice GUI to the process of bug-submission but it was ignored.. Only about a third of the developers seem to actually read the bugs, I've taken to cc'ing the list to make sure someone listens.. )

    Daniel

  • P166 (Score:1)

    by Daniel ( 1678 )
    Eh? I'm running Gnome and E with a pixmap theme on a P166 with 48 megabytes of RAM. Only have problems when I'm running Netscape or several instances of gcc. Neither of those are part of Gnome, so it's not Gnome's fault they take up 50% of my memory. :-)
  • Yes, your mother will just..um..use apt. Don't give your mother Debian until 2.2. :-)

    Daniel
  • There are not that many bug reports on the Gnome bugs page. Go to bugs.gnome.org [gnome.org] and look around. I generally expect to at least hear "you're an idiot, I'm closing this bug".

    What do you mean about providing a machine to run my PyGtk program on? It's very simple..just pops up a box asking for the package name, severity level, and bug information. Should I be letting people run it as an X client off my machine? I don't get your comment at all.

    (btw: I was complaining about the lack of reading as a comparison to Debian's BTS, where I usually get at least an answer within a few days. They get _many_ more bugs.

    Daniel

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