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Las Vegas Monorail Finally Ready To Open

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the whizzing-happily-along dept.

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doormat writes "The Las Vegas monorail is finally set to open to the public on July 15th! The project has had some problems - it was originally scheduled to open in March. The first part of the monorail, which uses Bombardier M-VI train vehicles, 'a derivative of the famous Walt Disney World Mark VI trains', is 4 miles long and connects several casinos on the east side of the Las Vegas Strip (see map, QT video), as well as the Las Vegas Convention Center (Home to CES, NAB, Networld+Interop and what was Comdex). Future phases seek to expand the monorail to downtown to the North, the west side of the strip, and eventually the University and the airport (which the taxicab and limo groups fight tooth and nail). I swear it's the strip's only choice... throw up your hands and raise your voice! Monorail, Monorail, Monorail! Mono... D'oh!"

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blue (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578472)

BUTT CHEZ

Simpsons jokes follow (0, Redundant)

sn0wman3030 (618319) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578478)

Monorail... Monorail....... Monorail!!!!

Re:Simpsons jokes follow (1)

RucasRiot (773111) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578606)

How is this redundant? It was the first time it was posted.... jesus christ you mods are fucking idiots.

Re:Simpsons jokes follow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578624)

cause it's in the fucking write-up.

Re:Simpsons jokes follow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578642)

Redundant only applies to other posts, idiot.

Re:Simpsons jokes follow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578664)

The Las Vegas monorail is finally set to open to the public on July 15th!

is that redundant? i'm the first poster to say so, asshole.

Re:Simpsons jokes follow (0, Offtopic)

nri (149893) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578633)

funny, we had the monrail episode on channel ten last night (sydney australia). No sh#t. I'd provide a link to prove it, but can't find an online tv guide that shows yesterdays programs. Anyone else in sydney want to verify it for me. Otherwise you can take my word for it.

got fp the other day first time ever. now gotta get a story submit accepted and then my lifes ambitions have been met.

http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04 /0 6/29/2223204&mode=nested&tid=106&tid=137&tid=185&t id=190

Re:Simpsons jokes follow (1)

Atrax (249401) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578673)

> Anyone else in sydney want to verify it for me.

here's a link for ya [ten.com.au]

Yipee!!!!! (-1, Troll)

l810c (551591) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578479)

Whooaaa. A little over zealous on this old technology aren't we? I got excited the first time I saw this thing at Disney World in the early 70's. Since then, ho-hum.

And with things like this:

The highest-profile problem to date was a Jan. 5 accident in which a drive shaft fell from one of the monorail cars. No one was hurt, but the accident shut down testing for three days.

I'll wait a bit before I try it out.

Also, they should Open Source this POS:

Most of the problems have involved computer software that controls the driverless trains along the 4.4-mile route between Sahara and Tropicana avenues, just east of Las Vegas Boulevard South.

Now if this was Maglev or something else as cool, I might get excited as the poster as seeing a 1970's tech Disney artifact that floats on, um Tires?

Re:Yipee!!!!! (3, Insightful)

SupaMegaBuffalo (717226) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578524)

Also, they should Open Source this POS

Ummm... huh?

I hope you mean only releasing the source code for those who would like to see it, and not that you want the code developed according to the usual open source models.
Developing a system to control a vehicle carrying people is one thing that, at least i for one think, should be done by a set of well coordinated group of professionals.

Re:Yipee!!!!! (5, Interesting)

faedle (114018) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578565)

Much like BART had all kinds of computer problems when it first went online. These things were not totally unanticipated. This is "new" tech, in the sense that Las Vegas Monorail will be the first mass-transit application of "driverless" rail systems anywhere in the United States (BART comes close, but somebody still pushes the "close door" button).

Yes, it's "old" 70's (well, really, 50's, as it differs very little from the original Alweg designs that run on Seattle and Anaheim trackage) technology. However, buses are, what, 30's technology? Light rail vehicles, also, are nothing more than the modern version of the 1910's streetcars.

In transit systems, very little changes.. because it dosen't have to. The fundamental job of getting people from one place to another across town is a simple one: it dosen't need maglev. The physics of rubber tires on a concrete "roadway" are well understood. Construction techniques required to build the Las Vegas Monorail are essentially no different than what was needed to build I-215: once you know how to pour concrete, it doesn't matter if you're building a highway for cars or a guideway for a monorail.

Personally, I can't wait. Monorail technology is a good transit solution: clean and quiet, with the potential to be cheap and easily maintained. Hopefully, Las Vegas Monorail will prove out as good as the monorail enthusiasts (like myself) have been saying it will.

Re:Yipee!!!!! (1, Troll)

l810c (551591) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578586)

$654 Million for 4 miles of track. $3 per ride. This is no solution to our mass transit needs.

This is a solution for getting people to and from Casino's to lose more money as quick as possible.

Re:Yipee!!!!! (4, Insightful)

faedle (114018) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578614)

Wasn't supposed to be a solution for everybody. It was, however, supposed to be a solution for the Strip and Convention Center.

Being as the vast majority of the Las Vegas economy seems to revolve around liberating cash from tourists, looks like a good thing to me.

Besides, that $654 million dollars came entirely from the private sector, through direct financial contributions and bonds. The taxpayers of Clark County aren't paying for it, so why the hell are you bitching?

& to add to that... (1)

eugene ts wong (231154) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578604)

...cars are essentially the same technology from almost 100 years ago [okay, I admit that I don't know my tech & history], but you still don't see people yawning & sighing about that. Instead they line up on freeways demanding wider roads.

Hey Las Vegas! I'm happy for you.

Re:Yipee!!!!! (1)

rdl (4744) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578657)

BART is not driverless.

The SFO airport airrail thing is driverless.

The London Docklands Light Rail is driverless.

Bart Driverless ? (2, Informative)

molo (94384) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578695)

Wikipedia on BART [wikipedia.org] :

The trains are computer-controlled and arrive on-time with regular accuracy. Drivers are present in case of unforeseen difficulties.

If you have other information, please correct the wikipedia entry.

-molo

Re:Yipee!!!!! (2, Interesting)

faedle (114018) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578699)

On BART, the "driver" does nothing more than push a "close door" button. They are not in control of the train, except when the automation system fails (which when I worked there in the 80's was "often"). However, part of BART's design was to have a 100% automated system. The "driver" is there solely because of a concession to the transit operator's unions. 99% of the time, the BART operator is just passively sitting in his chair.. bored out of his tiny little mind.

SFO Airport SkyTrain is not, technically, a "mass transit" system, it is an airport peoplemover. Many airport peoplemovers are "driverless", including Denver's. I was speaking strictly of mass transit systems.

Docklands Light Rail isn't in the US. At least, last time I checked England was still part of the United Kingdom. Has something changed?

Re:Yipee!!!!! (1)

rodgerd (402) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578671)

in the sense that Las Vegas Monorail will be the first mass-transit application of "driverless" rail systems anywhere in the United States

They could have asked the people who did the London Docklands Light Rail system. They seem to have a functioning driverless system.

But what could a bunch of Europeans teach Mighty America, right?

Re:Yipee!!!!! (2, Insightful)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578592)

Now if this was Maglev or something else as cool...

Do you even know how maglev works? Why on earth would you think that maglev would be

a: efficient
b: affordable
or c: even doable in a 4 mile stretch?

"Oooh!. Maglev! Let's do that!" Try to get beyond the buzzwords.

Re:Yipee!!!!! (0, Troll)

l810c (551591) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578622)

Do you even know how maglev works?

This is news for nerds, I'd rather read an article on just how maglev works(BTW, I do know a bit about it) rather than a 4 mile stretch of 30+ year old car on top of cement rail tech that's only purpose is to get people to Casino's a bit quicker.

The only thing mildly cool about this is it is driverless. But even that doesn't excite me much when you have grad students creating Volvo's that park themselves. [slashdot.org]

Re:Yipee!!!!! (1)

faedle (114018) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578652)

Yeah. God forbid somebody is actually interested in technology that happens to be older, but underdeveloped.

Ya know, for a 70's-era invention, this TCP/IP thing is sure getting a lot of attention on slashdot.

Re:Yipee!!!!! (2, Funny)

michaelhood (667393) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578620)

Also, they should Open Source this POS

Agreed. If this was OSS, we could all test this on our own Monorail test beds we have at home!

I guess you never been in Vegas... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578656)

He's not excited about the technology but by the fact that they are finally addressing the traffic problem on the strip. The cab companies have been fighting this because well, to get anywhere in Vegas you usually have to get a cab, and the traffic gets quite nasty on weekends.

wee simpsons (2, Funny)

spacerodent (790183) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578488)

I wonder if they broke into song and dance at the annoucment of its construction

Re:wee simpsons (1)

gotr00t (563828) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578665)

Yeah, thanks to that sketch, I can't help but laugh when hearing news about a "monorail"

What happens in Brockway, stays in Brockway (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578492)

They just better have a damn good conductor.

hmmm (1)

the_unknown_soldier (675161) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578493)

Lets hope there are plenty of huge donuts in las Vegas

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Lay off the drugs! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578500)

> I swear it's the strip's only choice... throw up your hands and raise your voice! Monorail, Monorail, Monorail! Mono... D'oh!"

Whaaa...?

P.S. there's also a "train" that goes from Mandalay Bay - Luxor - Excalibur.

Re:Lay off the drugs! (1)

PhoenixOne (674466) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578561)

Either a Troll or you need to get out from under that rock you live in. :)

$$$ according to Zagat (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578503)

Wow, could it cost a little bit more? $3 a ride! $40 for 3 days? No week pass? Mono d'oh indeed.

Re:$$$ according to Zagat (4, Informative)

Hans Lehmann (571625) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578570)

Wow, could it cost a little bit more? $3 a ride! $40 for 3 days? No week pass?

It's clearly marketed to the weekend tourists, rather than the local commuters. Tourists, many of whom fly in for the weekend, like to travel around town (no point in giving all your money to one casino when there are so many needy casino's in town). Now you've got a choice of a quick $3 monorail ride, a $8 cab fare through grid-locked streets, or hoofing it in the 100+ degree sun. It's a no-brainer.
Once they do get it to the airport (around 2007 or so), it'll be the best thing to hit Vegas since the machine-gun shooting range.

Not that uncommon (3, Interesting)

gotr00t (563828) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578687)

The BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) system in the SF/Bay Area costs just about the same to use, the only difference is that its not a flat rate, but rather, a calculated fare from station to station, averaging around $3 a ride, one way. The discounts if bought in bulk are minimal (only $4 savings when $60 worth of fare is bought), and I don't think there is an "all day pass" or anything of that sort.

I think it goes to show that when you think of this kind of rapid transit system, don't think "bus fare," which is usually cheaper. It may also be because these systems are not subsidized by local or state authorities, forcing them to charge higher fare. (though I'm not sure if this is true in either of these cases)

I hope (2, Funny)

odano (735445) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578505)

I hope they use a little more discression in hiring the operator than the springfield monorail.

Re:I hope (1)

faedle (114018) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578530)

No operators. System is 100% computer controlled.

Re:I hope (1)

Atrax (249401) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578597)

> No operators. System is 100% computer controlled.

Westworld [imdb.com] , anyone?

Oblig. (4, Funny)

G-funk (22712) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578658)

Since this was on last night, here of course is the song!

Lyle Lanley: Well, sir, there's nothing on earth Like a genuine, Bona fide, Electrified, Six-car Monorail! ... What'd I say?

Ned Flanders: Monorail!

Lyle Lanley: What's it called?

Patty+Selma: Monorail!

Lyle Lanley: That's right! Monorail!

[crowd chants `Monorail' softly and rhythmically]

Miss Hoover: I hear those things are awfully loud...

Lyle Lanley: It glides as softly as a cloud.

Apu: Is there a chance the track could bend?

Lyle Lanley: Not on your life, my Hindu friend.

Barney: What about us brain-dead slobs?

Lyle Lanley: You'll all be given cushy jobs.

Abe: Were you sent here by the devil?

Lyle Lanley: No, good sir, I'm on the level.

Wiggum: The ring came off my pudding can.

Lyle Lanley: Take my pen knife, my good man.

I swear it's Springfield's only choice...

Throw up your hands and raise your voice!

All: [singing] Monorail!

Lyle Lanley: What's it called?

All: Monorail!

Lyle Lanley: Once again...

All: Monorail!

Marge: But Main Street's still all cracked and broken...

Bart: Sorry, Mom, the mob has spoken!

All: [singing] Monorail! Monorail! Monorail! [big finish] Monorail!

Homer: Mono... D'oh!

Wow, that's a big train! (2, Funny)

Sampizcat (669770) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578508)

The first part of the monorail, which uses Bombardier M-VI train vehicles, 'a derivative of the famous Walt Disney World Mark VI trains', is 4 miles long


I had to do a double-take when I read this the first time. I thought it said the train itself was 4 miles long...

Re:Wow, that's a big train! (1)

Basehart (633304) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578519)

No, the train is actually 400 miles long and the track is four inches long. Amazing really.

i've always wondered... (5, Interesting)

spacerodent (790183) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578509)

I've always wondered why the US hasn't built up their mass transit abilities on the national level. We have subways in various towns but none of them link together and we don't have any of the long rail lines like they do in Germany or Japan. I also feel safe in saying the rail road is pretty shitty in compairson to other countries. I wonder if this is because as Americans we demand the right and excuse to use cars or if we have no other option right now.

Re:i've always wondered... (1)

dieman (4814) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578528)

We tried to do that in Minnesota between St. Cloud and Minneapolis and the republican controlled state house shot it down.

The midwest high speed rail stuff is farily cool too, but still a pipe dream.

Re:i've always wondered... (1)

dieman (4814) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578538)

(well, it got 'reduced' to between big lake and minneapolis, not totally shot down yet.)

Re:i've always wondered... (3, Informative)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578541)

WTF dude. I've lived in countries with excellent public transportation, and it still sucks. It's expensive; the train goes when it wants to, not when you want to; the other passengers on the train sometimes smell really bad; and trains stop running after a certain hour; and it takes a long time to get to where you're going. It used to take me an hour to go 5 miles by train. I could make the same trip in 10 minutes by car.

Other countries also lack the outstanding Interstate Highway System.

Re:i've always wondered... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578554)

Didn't Germany's Autobahn inspire Eisenhower to create the IHS?

Re:i've always wondered... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578551)

Where cities are close together, the mass transit systems are integrated. One can take non-Amtrak trains from Philadelphia to New Haven, Connecticut. Baltimore and Washington are connected by MARC trains, and Oakland and San Francisco are connected by Bart and S.F. and San Jose are connected by CalTrain.
And we do have some long lines, but as you say, they are pretty shitty. But those other countries are much more densely populated and smaller. In the Northeast Amtrak, the commuter railroads and subways make a pretty good approximation of what exists in Europe.

Re:i've always wondered... (1)

sjwaste (780063) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578577)

Yeah, I'd say Amtrak is pretty good here (Philly/NJ) and the other lines make up for where it lacks. NJ Transit goes into Philadelphia and into Manhattan (PATH train). DC and Boston are well connected, basically a train per hour going to either of those cities from Philadelphia. The only drawback is the price: $45 each way from Phila. to DC or Boston. It's about an hour and 45 minute ride, but you could never use it to commute on a daily basis.

Re:i've always wondered... (3, Interesting)

Mycroft_VIII (572950) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578552)

It's simple. The US is phyiscally to big for this sort of thing to go nation wide. Now mind you they could do a couple or so on each coast. And just maybee somthing connecting a city or two in texas through Kansas city to St. Louis to Chicago, but even that may be stretching it.
Look at it as if each US state where a single european country, then make a comparison.

Mycroft

High-speed rail (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578617)

The full text of this article from The Economist [economist.com] follows. The original content is subscriber-only; it is reproduced here in the hope and expectation that you will find it useful.

----

High-speed rail

Trop peu, trop tard, trop Amtrak

Aug 9th 2001 | CHICAGO
From The Economist print edition

Fast trains may be coming to the mid-west--and stopping too often

THE roads are clogged. The airports are worse. Might fast trains provide relief for America's frustrated travellers? A coalition of nine mid-western states has plans for a rail system that would whisk travellers between the region's big cities at high speeds and connect them to points beyond with a network of slower trains and buses. Strangely enough, Congress, which would have to pay much of the cost, is warming to the idea.

The Midwest Regional Rail Initiative (MWRRI) is a joint venture between nine state transport agencies, the Amtrak rail system and the Federal Railroad Administration. The coalition has unveiled detailed plans and cost estimates for a 3,000-mile rail system with Chicago as its hub that would connect cities such as Detroit, Milwaukee, St Louis and Minneapolis at speeds of up to 110 miles per hour (some 50-75mph slower than French or Japanese trains, but enough to wow the mid-west).

[Image] [economist.com]

Randy Wade at Wisconsin's Department of Transportation claims that the region is ideally suited for high-speed rail. Over distances of several hundred miles, such as the 280-mile trip from Chicago to Detroit, rail is potentially faster, more comfortable and more productive than car travel. It should be cheaper than flying and delivers passengers into the city centre, rather than to distant airports. And cities in the mid-west are already connected by freight rail lines that can be upgraded to accommodate faster trains. MWRRI thinks that a well-run system could attract nearly 10m riders a year by 2010.

Such transport visions are two a penny and often worth as much (ask any Eurotunnel shareholder). The General Accounting Office recently estimated the cost of a national high-speed system to be $50 billion-70 billion. But both the Senate and the House are considering bills that would enable Amtrak, America's quasi-public passenger rail agency, to issue up to $12 billion in bonds to pay for capital improvements in 11 designated high-speed rail corridors. The bonds would not pay interest; bondholders would receive federal income-tax credits instead.

Such stealth subsidies are unlikely to irritate voters, impatient with traffic jams and cancelled flights. "You can't imagine congestion getting better anywhere--ever," says Mr Wade. Tom Daschle and Trent Lott, the Democratic and Republican leaders, are among the bill's 51 co-sponsors in the Senate. The White House has not taken a position yet; but, while he was governor of Texas, George Bush cut the ribbon when Amtrak began running the Texas Eagle from San Antonio to Chicago.

The bill making its way through Congress would provide a down-payment on the MWRRI plan, which can be built step by step. The full system will need lots more money, to pay among other things for the trains and improved infrastructure. Even supporters concede that high-speed rail would do well to cover its operating costs, never mind the capital investment. Politicians will have to be sold on the social benefits of getting Americans off the highways and runways.

Which they might be, except for the most potent enemy of passenger rail in America: Amtrak itself. Critics of federal spending for high-speed rail do not oppose the idea in principle; they just think that giving Amtrak control over something like $12 billion in capital spending is insane.

America's passenger rail system, which was deregulated in 1997, is supposed to cover its operating costs by December 2002. It won't. Amtrak has done little to trim inefficient routes or reduce bloated labour costs. It loses an average of $20 on every ticket it sells and several hundred dollars a ticket on some routes, says Senator John McCain. In June, Amtrak mortgaged a portion of New York's Penn Station in exchange for a $300m loan to cover costs through to the end of its fiscal year.

The politicians themselves are partly to blame. One reason why Amtrak is so lousy is its penchant for stopping its trains at every city on its route that has an influential politician just in case he (or one of his voters) happens to be standing on the platform. "Most senators treat Amtrak as a low-grade entitlement programme," says one congressional staff member. There will be nothing high-speed about an express from Chicago to St Louis that stops nine times in between. This is one industry where people in America badly need to talk to the French.

::: the economist troll

Re:i've always wondered... (1)

ksheff (2406) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578590)

We used to have lots of different passenger rail lines at one point. However, given the subsidies that the highway system received and the lack of convenience when compared to driving. People only put up with that BS with airports because it's usually a lot faster. However, given the current check-in and security procedures, I know a few people that decided that the extra time driving was worth not having to endure the airport. If you compare the US to those countries, you'll also notice that outside of the NorthEast, the population density is a LOT less.

Given Amtrak's prices, I think the only people who bother are those who want to take a 'land cruise' vacation and not actually use it to just get from point A to point B.

Re:i've always wondered... (1)

Slayk (691976) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578594)

Because the US is a large place.

Considering that Texas alone is larger than Germany, and that the US only has...what....3 times the population base to draw funds from? Thanks to that, it would make a large scale transit project rather difficult to get acceptance/funding for, when there is no burning desire in the public eye to get it going since there are other means of transport (air travel and hopping in one's own car as I do). When making that comparison to Germany, people often don't cosider the amazingly low population density of the United States west of the Mississippi. It's very far from being a similar situation.

cool lets start a mass transit company and call it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578605)

Amtrak?

theres a concept.

Re:cool lets start a mass transit company and call (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578623)

I think that's what he was referring to when he said:

I also feel safe in saying the rail road is pretty shitty in compairson to other countries.

Genius.

Re:i've always wondered... (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578705)

Well, the State of Texas is about 2.5 - 3.5 times bigger than the UK...

We are a large country and the pop density just isn't there to make it work.

In other news, new trains in Minnesota (4, Informative)

dieman (4814) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578510)

We also got our first light rail line in Minnesota, the Hiawatha Line [metrocouncil.org] . Also driven with Bombardier trains of an original design.

I took some pictures of the opening here [ringworld.org] .

96,000 people tried out the line last weekend during its debut!

Re:In other news, new trains in Minnesota (1)

Mycroft_VIII (572950) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578568)

You do realize you just linked to 80+ pictures in an early post in a front page slashdot story don't you.
Well I guess that's one way to test a systems load handling capacity, and as a bonus your smoke detectors.

Mycroft

Re:In other news, new trains in Minnesota (2, Interesting)

dieman (4814) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578576)

Yeah, I'm thinking about moving the .mov file. :)

Apache::Gallery does caching, so really my box isn't doing too bad. Its all about the B/W though, but my webserver is configured as QBSS queuing on the link -- it should be the 'last' packets out on the pipe.

Re:In other news, new trains in Minnesota (1)

Mycroft_VIII (572950) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578583)

And a MPG! good grief I'd mod you +5 brave if it existed. Fourtunately (or not, depends on whether your paying for bandwith) Your already at +5informative.

Mycroft

Re:In other news, new trains in Minnesota (1)

dieman (4814) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578611)

All for the cause... :)

Re:In other news, new trains in Minnesota (1)

wheresmysocks (546231) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578702)

Now, if only it went somewhere where the rest of us could use it. Until then, I guess the next time I'm near the VA I can ogle it with my eyes while waiting for the traffic signal to change.

That line has seriously screwed up traffic around there.

CSI (5, Funny)

mrpuffypants (444598) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578514)

Until some guys gets run over by the Monorail in CSI I'm not even going to acknowledge it.

Re:CSI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578644)

Since its impossible for someone to be run over a monorail - I guess that will never happen. Yea for Light Rail that kills people!

Does it take you OUT of Las Vegas? (0, Troll)

kaltkalt (620110) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578515)

If not, why bother? The only vehicles in Vegas I'm interested in getting in are ones leaving that hellhole as soon as freakin' possible. Yes, I hate that city.

That being said, I was just there (for the 4th time in 5 years... yeah I know) a month ago and the new monorail looked like it would sure beat walking down the strip in the 110 degree heat.

Re:Does it take you OUT of Las Vegas? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578603)

but it's a dry heat, so you don't notice that you're sweating at least a gallon an hour.

Now we have a monorail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578520)

It's time to build an elevator to nowhere

oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578523)

OH FUCK!!!

University (4, Funny)

Fooby (10436) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578525)

There's a university in Las Vegas? And I thought UPenn was a party school...

Re:University (1)

RadioTV (173312) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578613)

UNLV [unlv.edu]

Re:University (1)

doormat (63648) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578625)

Yes, all those strippers that strip at night and go to school during the day. When its 100 degrees (F) in May and all the girls wear skimpy clothing, you realize its nice to live in a desert.

En Espanol (1)

ePIsOdEOnline (711249) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578533)

!Por favor man tenga se alejado de las puertas!

*ahem* (2)

bgeiger (42769) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578635)

"Please stand clear of the doors. Por favor, mantenganse alejados de las puertas."

hah! I was just in vegas and asked why the delay (1)

trolluscressida (564353) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578539)

Best answer I heard was from an old guy at a poker table at the palms. His take on the people in charge of the project: "They're morons! MORONS!!!" Viva las vegas!

Since it's Vegas.... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578563)

Will there be slot machines on the trains?

Limousines and the free market (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578567)

It's interesting that the taxi cab and limousine services are fighting the monorail tooth and nail.


When I went to Florida, I had to catch a plane from Orlando airport, so I caught a bus to 'airport boulevard' - having been told it was near the airport. It was in the middle of nowhere and there was no chance of hailing a cab (even if as a poor student, I could have afforded one), so I walked for 90 minutes in the midday sun until I got to my flight - with 15 minutes to spare.


I had been told I was on the right bus, but there didn't seem to be a bus stop in the entire airport. I was completely incredulous. Is this the reason why?


So much for the free market and consumer choice.

Viva la Monorail!!!!! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578569)

Ogdenville, North Haverbrook, and Brockway enjoy the same monorail service Las Vegas is gonna get. You go Vegas!!!!.

Of course any mishaps around the monorail will remain secret cause what happens in vegas stays in vegas.

Anyone who has been to Vegas knows (5, Funny)

swagr (244747) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578571)

that this monorail will take you directly from the center of a casino, to the center of many other casinos, via routes that pass through casinos.
In order to get to any of the stations, you'll need to walk through 3 miles of casinos. In order to buy tickets, you'll need to walk through 4 miles of casinos. If you're drunk and gambling, tickets are free.

Re:Anyone who has been to Vegas knows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578596)

Yeah, but there's a Star Trek station.

Useless (5, Interesting)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578573)

Like most public transportation projects I've been on, this one is pretty useless. You can't go from the airport to the hotel...what's the point? The system is similarly useless to anyone who actually *lives* in Vegas. Los Angeles authorities thought it would be a good idea to build some trains...they don't go anywhere that you'd ever want to go. It doesn't connect to the airport because the taxicab union lobbied against it. The Houston rail "system" is similarly pointless. Atlanta's isn't bad, mostly because union opposition was overcome and it actually connects to the airport.

Re:Useless (1)

Atrax (249401) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578631)

Here in Sydney we're more or less the same. The Monorail doesn't go anywhere useful to those of us that live and work here, and barely useful to the tourists.

A loop round Darling Harbour and a small chunk of the CBD. Great if you want to go from the Entertainment Centre [sydentcent.com.au] to the Maritime Museum [anmm.gov.au] . not a lot of use to anyone else. I don't even think the view's up to much. (A monorail over the harbour bridge, though, THAT would be good)

I walk past it twice a day on the way to work. If I felt like it, I could catch it one stop on the way back, but what would be the point? unless it was raining REALLY badly and I wanted to skip that 200 yard stretch in the dry for, like, $4

Re:Useless (1)

DrMrLordX (559371) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578646)

The point is that stupid tourists with money to throw away will like it. I'm sure plenty of the tourists do arrive at the airport, but plenty more show up in tour busses or in automobiles.

Who cares about the people that actually live in Vegas? They aren't the cash cows. The tourists are.

Re:Useless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578650)

Just as long as I can get to North Haverbrook, I will be all set.

Re:Useless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578675)

what you don't know is how the energy crisis will hit, It would be so hard that riding a car would be something left for the 4 kings of europe.

Re:Useless (1)

awful (227543) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578685)

Well, I use the "public transportation system" known as the 109 Port Melbourne tram and I find it incredibly useful - it takes me to and from work every day, there's only a 3 minute walk at either end, and it's much cheaper than paying for parking.

I've had similar experiences with many other "public transportation systems" including trains and buses in Melbourne, subways in Tokyo, bullet trains in Japan, trains in Sydney, and buses and trains in Adelaide. All of these services took me where I wanted to go, for a reasonable price, and within an acceptable time. The only dud experience I've had is a monorail in Sydney.

Re:Useless (1)

ad0gg (594412) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578701)

You ever been to vegas? Doesn't seem like you have. If you been there, you would know there is usually 30 minute wait for taxis after 7pm. You also know the strip is very congested and impossible to drive anywhere. Most people take taxis from casino to casino. If you been there you'd also know getting to the convention center is the pain in the ass from farther out casino's like mgm, mandlay. Once this project is done, it will link downtown to strip. I personally like staying on strip because of the nicer hotels but downtown the odds are lot beter to gamble but its a $15 cab fare one way!

warail is born (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578582)

Now I'll make others bite my dust while I do my wardriving contest riding the monorail during defcon 12.

"finally" (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578593)

How can you say "finally"? I was there like 2 years ago and they haven't even started.

Its a miracle.

How quaint. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578595)

I'm glad I live in a real city: Chicago.

Well, this is a first.... (3, Funny)

lortho (700090) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578602)

The obligatory Simpsons reference/joke made in the the actual story, before the first comment is even posted? Thought I'd never see the day... ;)

What about us brain-dead slobs??? (0, Offtopic)

Tuffsnake (767507) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578608)

You'll be given cushy jobs!

Sheesh. (1, Funny)

c0dedude (587568) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578618)

Finally, something to put Las Vegas on the maps! :-)

True or false? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578627)

You can get mono from riding the monorail.

escalator to nowhere still pending (1)

jeffehobbs (419930) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578636)


MONO = ONE [snpp.com]
RAIL = RAIL [snpp.com]

~jeff

Just wondering (1)

klep (26544) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578637)

Will Blaine control this Mono as well?

All you need to know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578641)

MONO = ONE
RAIL = RAIL

Semi-OT (1)

graveyhead (210996) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578647)

Semi offtopic, but I just wanted to point out how cool it was that San Francisco has been buying up old classic trains from the early 20th century, refurbishing them, and actually have a great many of these near-antiques actually in service.

I've seen some really cool classic cars from Italy, Germany, and a great old one from the Chicago 'el' train.

Very cool. Great history and better for the environment! Get rid of that awful SUV today!

It's reminding me of my old train set in my parent's basement. Ooh, must resist urge to fire up RR Tycoon ;)

Don't like the LVMonorail? Build your own! (3, Informative)

evacuate_the_bull (517290) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578648)

Just like Kim Pedersen. Wired did a nice story on him a few months ago [wired.com] and now he's started the Monorail Society. [monorails.org]

Cool!

Re:Don't like the LVMonorail? Build your own! (1)

faedle (114018) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578659)

Actually, Kim started the Monorail Society some years ago. The home-built monorail came well after.

I'd say this vessel could do at least Warp Five. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578649)

And let me say, "May the Force Be With You!"

what are the odds (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9578660)

To be scammed on your way to the casinos riding the monorail.

There would be a car where those who loose their shirts could stay for the night/day.

How casinos are gonna avoid high roller jumping from one casino to the other and miss the chance to take everything from them.

Those poles in the cars would be for more than hanging on.

There is gonna be a car for getting married and other to dissolve the marriage, would the train driver have a license to do matrimonies?.

An Elvis look alike on every car.

The magic tricks they are gonna play on you, here is your wallet now is not!!!.

Tom Jones playing what new pussy cat and let all the city hear it.

Instead of using guarding dogs, the tigers from Siegfried and Roy could make a living out of that and eat an asian tourist every now and then.

Distributing drugs along all the casinos, you just throw them out of the window with just one riding ticket.

Being poked in the eye with one of those exotic custumes.

Connects to the Convention Center (1)

doormat (63648) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578666)

This is perhaps one of the biggest positive aspects. A two-ride pass is less than $6, about the cab fare to go from, say, Caesars to the LVCC. I really see it as a tool for conventioneers. The only downside is that it goes right by the Sands Convention Center, but doesnt stop there.

Re:Connects to the Convention Center (1)

faedle (114018) | more than 10 years ago | (#9578679)

The Sands Hotel and Convention Center refused to pay into the Monorail Corporation fund. Therefore, they were bypassed by the system.
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