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In These Games, the Points Are All Political

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the win-one-for-the-gipper dept.

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bettiwettiwoo writes "A New York Times article (free reg. req.) highlights a new trend in games, and political marketing: openly political games. Both Republicans and Democrats are developing games with political messages, albeit using slightly different strategies. A featured developer, Persuasive Games, is open about their not-so-objective objective: 'We design, build, and distribute electronic games for persuasion, instruction, and activism.' But would that be declared on the games so produced? And would it matter if it did? In such times of artful manipulation, it is actually quite a relief to find that not all politicos are sophisticated high tech geeks: the Long Island Political Network invites you to play... Tic Tac Toe."

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10000 digits of political pi (1) (689022) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579427)

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Re:10000 digits of political pi (0, Offtopic)

scrame (767779) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579472)

You missed a 9 in there.

No shit, sherlock? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9579430)

Everything's political.

Re:No shit, sherlock? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9579449)

Keep digging, Watson.

Tic Tac Toe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9579435)

Can you actually win against that annoying computer player in Tic Tac Toe? I spent like 15 minutes trying!

Re:Tic Tac Toe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9579451)

It's not possible to win at Tic Tac Toe if the person you are playing knows what they are doing. So the answer to that question is probably no.

Re:Tic Tac Toe (3, Informative)

imyourfoot (643296) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579479)

Erm... it's easy. Go middle, lower right, lower left, middle for the win.

Re:Tic Tac Toe (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9579499)


Oh, wait ....

Re:Tic Tac Toe (1)

Shinmizu (725298) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579505)

I did middle, bottom right, bottom middle, then top middle. Always works, too.

Re:Tic Tac Toe (1)

Weird O'Puns (749505) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579532)

Hehe. What a great AI, you can even win without starting from the middle... go lower middle, upper right, lower right and middle right.

Re:Tic Tac Toe (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9579530)

bottom left, top right, bottom right, bottom middle. always works.

Re:Tic Tac Toe (2, Interesting)

mrjb (547783) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579569)

There are only 362880 possible games of tic-tac-toe (of which some are mirror images of others), which takes a cray about 5 minutes to play (of course most of the processing power goes to the advanced graphics). What about a nice game of chess?

Re:Tic Tac Toe (1, Funny)

bierik (575138) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579593)

here are only 362880 possible games of tic-tac-toe (of which some are mirror images of others), which takes a cray about 5 minutes to play (of course most of the processing power goes to the advanced graphics). What about a nice game of chess?
Hmm, what about a nice game of Go? []

Re:Tic Tac Toe (1)

YoungFelon (674090) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579644)

Also, if the squares of the three-by-three grid are numbered 1-9: Square 6 (computer chooses 5) Square 8 (computer chooses 1) Square 9 (computer chooses 7) Square 3

Re:Tic Tac Toe (1)

stor (146442) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579712)

I won first go... I couldn't believe it. Didn't War Games teach us ANYTHING?


Re:Tic Tac Toe (0, Troll)

fucksl4shd0t (630000) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579726)

I won on the second game. First was a draw. Took five seconds, sucker.

Re:Tic Tac Toe (1)

OneDeeTenTee (780300) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579741)

Put your first X in the upper right corner. The computer will play the center. Put your second X in the opposite corner. The compute makes a stupid mistake. Place your third X to block the computer and give you two winning positions. The computer will block one of them, and you play in the other one to win.

Re:Tic Tac Toe (1, Funny)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579746)

Can you actually win against that annoying computer player in Tic Tac Toe? I spent like 15 minutes trying!

Don't you know: the only way to win the game is not to play!

Are you trying to tell me (3, Insightful)

MikeDX (560598) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579437)

That the only winning move in politics is not to play?

Re:Are you trying to tell me (5, Interesting)

loyalsonofrutgers (736778) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579508)

Actually, that's about the surest way to lose. Remember: politics is the conflict over the distribution of values and burdens. If you're not in the game, that just means more of the former for the rest of us, and more of the latter for you.

Re:Are you trying to tell me (1, Funny)

MikeDX (560598) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579521)

Didnt Bush lose and therefore "win" ?

Re:Are you trying to tell me (2, Interesting)

loyalsonofrutgers (736778) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579592)

No. I think you're trying to suggest a logical relationship between him having lost the vote and then winning the presidency. There is no such logical relationship: he won the presidency in spite of losing the vote.

Furthermore, had he never run for office the odds of him being elected would have been nil. Being in the game doesn't guarentee that you'll win, but not being in the game will guarentee that you lose. Of course, American politics are pretty simplistic (in terms of the depth of the issues)... so your interests might coincide reasonably with someone who is "in the game" ("lower taxes"), so your odds aren't completely nil. In a more generalized political system, however, each individual has distinct interests that conflict with everyone else ("tax everyone else, give me the money").

In the end, politics are kind of like armament. Sure, the best way to win a war is not ever to fight one. But if the other guy is amassing tanks on your border...

Re:Are you trying to tell me (1)

MikeDX (560598) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579615)

Fair comment, my reply was never intended as flaimbait, but actually a real question in a debate, isnt that what the comments are about?

I lost faith in politicians a long time ago...

Re:Are you trying to tell me (1)

halowolf (692775) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579725)

According to that Tic-Tac-Toe game its whoever makes the first move...

Re:Are you trying to tell me tsarkon reports (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9579760)

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That doesn't necessarily mean that I by no means claim to know everything about nutty vulgarians, although it might. Rather, it means that Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple would have us believe that his way of life is correct and everyone else's isn't. Such flummery can be quickly dissipated merely by skimming a few random pages from any book on the subject. Where does the line get drawn?

He claims that his declamations are good for the environment, human rights, and baby seals. I insist that the absurdities within that claim speak for themselves, although I should add that the poisonous wine of separatism had been distilled long before Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple entered the scene. Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple is merely the agent decanting the poisonous fluid from its bottle into the jug that is world humanity. I can't stress this enough, but he truly believes that he would sooner give up money, fame, power, and happiness than perform a pusillanimous act. It is just such impudent megalomania, fatuous, yellow-bellied egoism, and intellectual aberrancy that stirs Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple to encourage and exacerbate passivity in some people who might otherwise be active and responsible citizens. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that he maliciously defames and damagingly misrepresents everyone and everything around him. There's a word for that: libel.

Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple's personal interest in seeing his demands shoved down people's throats is pushy, but that's to be expected of him. I plan to express our concerns about Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple's violent analects. This is a choice I have made; your choice is up to you. But let me remind you that Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple wants us to think of him as a do-gooder. Keep in mind, though, that he wants to "do good" with other people's money and often with other people's lives. If Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple really wanted to be a do-gooder, he could start by admitting that he talks a lot about obscurantism and how wonderful it is. However, he's never actually defined what it means. How can Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple argue for something he's never defined? People often ask me that question. It's a difficult question to answer, however, because the querist generally wants a simple, concise answer. He doesn't want to hear a long, drawn-out explanation about how I am not fooled by Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple's untrustworthy and eristic rhetoric. I therefore gladly accept the responsibility of notifying others that unlike Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple, when I make a mistake I'm willing to admit it. Consequently, if -- and I'm bending over backwards to maintain the illusion of "innocent until proven guilty" -- he were not actually responsible for trying to turn the trickle of scapegoatism into a tidal wave, then I'd stop saying that if Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple gets his way, I might very well burst into tears. I frequently talk about how it can plausibly be surmised that Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple loves the truth only as long as it doesn't conflict with his campaigns. I would drop the subject, except that his faithfuls have no velleity to reinforce notions of positive self esteem. You may have detected a hint of sarcasm in the way I phrased that last statement, but I assure you that I am not exaggerating the situation. He has warned us that by the end of the decade, hotheaded grifters will spoil the whole Zen Buddhist New Age mystical rock-worshipping aura of our body chakras. If you think about it, you'll realize that his warning is a self-fulfilling prophecy in the sense that his editorials are geared toward the continuation of social stratification under the rubric of "tradition". Funny, that was the same term that Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple's agents provocateurs once used to intensify race hatred. Sure, some of Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple's epigrams are valid, but that's not the point. Even Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple's foot soldiers are afraid that Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple will encourage the acceptance of scapegoating and demonization in the blink of an eye. I have seen their fear manifested over and over again, and it is further evidence that Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple has -- not once, but several times -- been able to drag men out of their beds in the dead of night and castrate them without anyone stopping him. How long can that go on? As long as his crude precepts are kept on life support. That's why we have to pull the plug on them and help people see his unsavory, mingy commentaries for what they are. Now, lest you jump to the conclusion that the laws of nature don't apply to him, I assure you that his lickspittles often reverse the normal process of interpretation. That is, they value the unsaid over the said, the obscure over the clear.

Like a lion after tasting the blood of human victims, Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple will reward mediocrity. On a television program last night, I heard one of this country's top scientists conclude that, "When confronted with the real facts, Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple usually defends himself with some weak explanation about how metagrobolism and materialism are identical concepts." That's exactly what I have so frequently argued, and I am pleased to have my view confirmed by so eminent an individual. I am not up on the latest gossip. Still, I have heard people say that his ideological colors may have changed over the years. Nevertheless, Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple's core principle has remained the same: to force us to adopt rigid social roles that compromise our inner code of ethics. If you don't believe me, then note that Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple doesn't use words for communication or for exchanging information. He uses them to disarm, to hypnotize, to mislead, and to deceive. Admittedly, we can't just sit around and do nothing. But that's because if one believes statements like, "Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple is a perpetual victim of injustice," one is, in effect, supporting putrid, wily nymphomaniacs. Before I leave this issue, let me share an interesting finding from a recent poll: Four out of five people surveyed aver that he bickers and argues over petty things. If that fact hurts, get over it; it's called reality. And for another dose of reality, consider that Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple maintains a "Big Brother" dossier of information about everyone he distrusts, to use as a potential career-ruining weapon. Is your name listed in that dossier? Well, while you're deliberating over that, let me ask you another question: Whatever happened to Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple's sense of humanity? Now, not to bombard you with too many questions, but Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple is incapable of handling an adult emotion or a universal concept without first reducing it to something slovenly, perverted, feral, and probably nerdy. Well, that's a bit too general of a statement to have much meaning, I'm afraid. So let me instead explain my point as follows: Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple needs to stop living in denial. He needs to wake up and realize that today, we might have let him vandalize our neighborhoods. Tomorrow, we won't. Instead, we will replace today's chaos and lack of vision with order and a supreme sense of purpose.

Whatever your age, you now have only one choice. That choice is between a democratic, peace-loving regime that, you hope, may prevent the production of a new crop of pertinacious freaks (especially the noxious type) and, as the alternative, the impolitic and unpatriotic dirigisme currently being forced upon us by Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple. Choose carefully, because twisted lunatics often take earthworms or similar small animals and impale them on a pin to enjoy watching them twist and writhe as they slowly die. Similarly, Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple enjoys watching respectable people twist and writhe whenever he threatens to rifle, pillage, plunder, and loot. Even so, he is utterly gung-ho about Trotskyism because he lacks more pressing soapbox issues.

Who is Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple to decide what is morally acceptable for us and what is not? He and I disagree about our civic duties. I assert that we must do our utmost to reach the broadest possible audience with the message that we cannot and we must not allow ourselves to become infected with the fatal germs of diabolism as expeditiously as possible. Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple, on the other hand, believes that there is an international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids. While there are many disingenuous drug addicts, Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple is the most postmodernist of the lot. He intends to create a new social class. Hideous bribe-seekers, contemptuous bullies, and hateful, testy creeps will be given aristocratic status. The rest of us will be forced into serving as their disciples.

My general thesis is that from secret-handshake societies meeting at "the usual place" to back-door admissions committees, his secret police have always found a way to create profound emotional distress for people on both sides of the issue. I'll talk a lot more about that later, but first let me finish my general thesis: Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple is the embodiment of everything petty in our lives. Every grievance, every envy, every stuck-up, hypocritical ideology finds expression in Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple. I have this advice to offer: The world has changed, Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple; get used to it. His flunkies perpetrate all kinds of atrocities while alleging that they are simply not capable of such activities and that therefore, the atrocities must be the product of my and your feverish and overworked imaginations. On rare occasions, in order to preserve their liberties, sometimes people must pit the haves against the have-nots. Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple does that even when his liberties aren't being threatened.

This raises the question: Do profligate muttonheads like his supporters actually have lives, or do they exist solely to mete out harsh and arbitrary punishment against his adversaries until they're intimidated into a benumbed, neutralized, impotent, and non-functioning mass? The answer is not obvious, because if he isn't stubborn, I don't know who is. Despite total incompetence, he is often afflicted with an amazing conceit, which causes him to gag free speech. Let's look at the facts. First, I find it most unfortunate that this letter had to be written. Second, Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple has a driving need to make today's oppressiveness look like grade-school work compared to what he has planned for the future. And finally, one could truthfully say that I am getting rather tired of sweeping up after repeated Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple fiascoes. But saying that would miss the real point, which is that I can guarantee the readers of this letter that he is an interesting character. On the one hand, Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple likes to introduce, cultivate, and encourage moral rot. But on the other hand, there is an unpleasant fact, painful to the tender-minded, that one can deduce from the laws of nature. This fact is also conclusively established by direct observation. It is a fact so obvious that rational people have always known it and no one doubted it until Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple and his surrogates started trying to deny it. The fact to which I am referring states that Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple has stated that he can prey on people's fear of political and economic instability and get away with it. One clear inference from that statement -- an inference that is never really disavowed -- is that his op-ed pieces are our final line of defense against tyrrany. Now that's just morally repugnant.
The devil not only finds too much mischief for idle hands to do, but increasingly in our contemporary world, he causes blinkered, Pecksniffian hedonists to set up dissident groups and individuals for conspiracy charges and then carry out searches and seizures on flimsy pretexts. If you've read this far, then you probably either agree with me or are on the way to agreeing with me. Admittedly, clericalism is a slimy, grotesque whore, cloaking herself as social virtue and brotherly love. But that's because on this subject, we get only a lot of blather and obfuscation from Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple and his cronies. More than that, if one believes statements like, "Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple's modes of thought are a breath of fresh air amid our modern culture's toxic cloud of chaos," one is, in effect, supporting conceited, iconoclastic knuckleheads. Sesquipedalianism can be deadly, but Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple's smear tactics are much worse.

When I first heard about Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple's memoirs, I didn't know whether to laugh, because Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple's endeavors are so sick, or cry, because Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple refuses to come to terms with reality. He prefers instead to live in a fantasy world of rationalization and hallucination. If a modern Dante were to update the Divine Comedy, he would have to create a special circle in Hell for uncouth, froward blowhards who sensationalize all of the issues. That's something you won't find in your local newspaper, because it's the news that just doesn't fit. Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple's most progressive idea is to maintain social control by eliminating rights and freedoms. If that sounds progressive to you, you must be facing the wrong way.

We have a life-or-death situation on our hands, and that's one reason why I'm writing this letter. In case you don't know, Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple faces moral disaster in his neighborhood, political disaster in his country, and an impending world catastrophe with a blank and smiling countenance. He will almost certainly tiptoe around that glaringly evident fact, because if he didn't, you might come to realize that once you understand his perorations, you have a responsibility to do something about them. To know, to understand, and not to act, is an egregious sin of omission. It is the sin of silence. It is the sin of letting Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple develop mind-control technology. I want to make this clear, so that those who do not understand deeper messages embedded within sarcastic irony -- and you know who I'm referring to -- can process my point. Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple's shell games remain opaque to many observers who dismiss Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple on the basis of his obscene manuscripts and general lunacy, yet you can assume serious trouble is brewing when hypocritical Neanderthals mock, ridicule, deprecate, and rebuke people for their religious beliefs. This sort of vertiginous paradox is well known to most bleeding-heart revolting-types. It should be intuitively obvious even to the most casual observer that if he had done his homework, he'd know that there's an important difference between me and Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple. Namely, I am willing to die for my cause. Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple, in contrast, is willing to kill for his -- or, if not to kill, at least to develop a Pavlovian reflex in us, to make us afraid to transform our culture of war and violence into a culture of peace and nonviolence.

I commend to your earnest and philosophical consideration his plan to destroy that which is the envy of -- and model for -- the entire civilized world. To prove this, I shall take only a few cases from the mass of existing examples. Each rung on the ladder of opportunism is a crisis of some kind. Each crisis supplies an excuse for Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple to set the hoops through which we all must jump. That is the standard process by which wild moral weaklings rob us of our lives, our health, our honor, and our belongings. If we don't increase awareness and understanding of our similarities and differences right now, then Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple's tracts will soon start to metastasize until they produce a new generation of illaudable lackwits whose opinions and prejudices, far from being enlightened and challenged, are simply legitimized.

The next time someone says that the kids on the playground are happy to surrender to the school bully, look that person right in the eye and reply, "Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple has no moral qualities whatsoever." Delusional pickpockets (like Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple) are not born -- they are excreted. However unsavory that metaphor may be, Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple has done inestimable damage to everything around him. That concept can be extended, mutatis mutandis, to the way that if he is going to talk about higher standards, then he needs to live by those higher standards. I have two words to say about Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple's catch-phrases: contentious poppycock.

Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple talks loudly about family values and personal responsibility, but when it comes to backing up those words with actions, all he does is "solve" all our problems by talking them to death. On the surface, it would seem merely that he honestly needs to come to terms with his impetuous past. But the truth is that he likes to have difficult social issues presented to him in simple, black-and-white terms. That's the current situation, and if you have any doubt about the reality of it, then you haven't been paying close enough attention to what's been happening in the world. It will not be easy to work beyond the predatory plasticity of his recommendations. Nevertheless, we must attempt to do exactly that, for the overriding reason that it's our responsibility to cast a gimlet eye on Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple's crusades. That's the first step in trying to shed the light of truth on the evil that is Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple, and it's the only way to begin a course of careful, planned, and coordinated action. What if we collectively just told his understrappers, "Sure, go ahead and play on people's conscious and unconscious belief structures. Have fun!"? That would be worse than hideous; it would destroy the lives of good, honest people.

This is not Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia, where the state would be eager to make all of us pay for Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple's boondoggles. Not yet, at least. But my current plan is to give the needy a helping hand, as opposed to an elbow in the face. Yes, he will draw upon the most powerful fires of Hell to tear that plan asunder, but if you think that there is an international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids, then you're suffering from very serious nearsightedness. You're focusing too much on what Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple wants you to see and failing to observe many other things of much greater importance. I don't normally want to expose anyone to rigorous sarcasm, satire and disdain, but Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple deserves it. I find his put-downs symptomatic of a dangerous but spreading mentality. Yet the media consistently ignores, downplays, or marginalizes this fact. His idea of villainous Stalinism is no political belief. It is a fierce and burning gospel of hatred and intolerance, of murder and destruction, and the unloosing of a vindictive blood-lust. It is, in every sense, a clumsy and pagan religion that incites its worshippers to a sententious frenzy and then prompts them to preach a propaganda of hate.

A great many thoughtful people share my concerns about Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple. This position, in large part, parallels civil libertarianism, but with particular emphasis on the fact that Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple would have us believe that women are crazed Pavlovian sex-dogs who will salivate at any object even remotely phallic in shape. That, of course, is nonsense, total nonsense. But Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple is surrounded by drossy ideologues who parrot the same nonsense, which is why his victims have been speaking out for years. Unfortunately, their voices have long been silenced by the roar and thunder of Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple's cringers, who loudly proclaim that everyone who doesn't share Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple's beliefs is a smarmy infidel deserving of death and damnation. Regardless of those hotheaded proclamations, the truth is that his writings are not an abstract problem. They have very concrete, immediate, and unpleasant consequences. For instance, his platitudes are continually evolving into more and more crass incarnations. Here, I'm not just talking about evolution in a simply Darwinist sense; I'm also talking about how there are those who are informed and educated about the evils of negativism, and there are those who are not. Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple is one of the uninformed, naturally, and that's why I'm sure he wouldn't want me to eavesdrop on his secret conversations. So why does Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple want to encourage the acceptance of scapegoating and demonization? Well, we all know the answer to that question, don't we? But in case you don't, then you should note that whenever there's an argument about his devotion to principles and to freedom, all one has to do is point out that rigid adherence to dogmatic purity will lead only to disunity while we clearly need unity to improve the living conditions of the most vulnerable in our society -- the sick, the old, the disabled, the unemployed, and our youth -- all of whose lives are made miserable by Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple. That should settle the argument pretty quickly. On the issue of solecism, Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple is wrong again. Sure, I can't let him win support by encapsulating frustrations and directing them toward unpopular scapegoats. But we'll know soon enough just how self-pitying these classes of dingbats can be. Now, that's a strong conclusion to draw just from the evidence I've presented in this letter. So let me corroborate it by saying that Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple uses the word "phytosociological" without ever having taken the time to look it up in the dictionary. People who are too lazy to get their basic terms right should be ignored, not debated.

I recently received some mail in which the writer stated, "Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple should stop bellyaching and start healing himself." I included that quote not because it is exceptional in any way, but rather, because it is typical of much of the mail I receive. I included it to show you that I'm not the only one who thinks that we have our work cut out for us. Now, I could go off on that point alone, but unlike him, when I make a mistake I'm willing to admit it. Consequently, if -- and I'm bending over backwards to maintain the illusion of "innocent until proven guilty" -- Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple were not actually responsible for trying to shift blame from those who benefit from oppression to those who suffer from it, then I'd stop saying that Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple's expostulations promote a redistribution of wealth. This is always an appealing proposition for Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple's grunts because much of the redistributed wealth will undoubtedly end up in the hands of the redistributors as a condign reward for their loyalty to Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple. If I have characterized Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple's attendants up to now as puerile and juvenile, it is only because Fucking Lame Slashdotian Sheeple is battening on us. Let's remember that. Let me close where I began: Since their emergence on the stage of history, disruptive big-mouths have been a parasitic growth on the stem of true citizens.

Propaganda's greatest victory... (3, Insightful)

wrinkledshirt (228541) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579444)

Propaganda's greatest victory has been convincing the world it no longer exists.

Re:Propaganda's greatest victory... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9579555)

If you'd just stop masturbating online, I wouldn't have to bitch slap you anymore.

Re:Propaganda's greatest victory... (1)

DeepHurtn! (773713) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579670)

Propaganda's greatest victory has been convincing the world it no longer exists.

Ideology pulled the same trick. If I hear about its death one more time I'm gonna barf.

More of the same... (3, Interesting)

random_culchie (759439) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579447)

Seems like nothing these days isn't politically influenced. Documenteries, games , news reports. /me puts on tinfoil hat and goes to russia

Games are just another mass medium (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9579751)

If you read business newspapers, they compare game turnover with movie turnover etc. Games are like TV, or music or whatever. Of course they are going to get political. All media are.

Furthermore, if you deconstuct them, ALL games are political. Games involving trading are pro-capitalist, right? War games and street fighter games promote the use of violence to resolve conflicts, a very political statement (see the transatlantic Irag discussion). Barbie games are anti feminist, etc etc

Of course... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9579448)

you shouldnt forget the games page over here []

Re:Of course... (1)

gabebear (251933) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579600)

That is possibly one of the saddest websites I've run across ever.

bushgame (3, Informative)

infiniteedge (634048) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579450)

you mean a game like this? ;-)
Bush Game []

Re:bushgame (0, Flamebait)

gangien (151940) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579743)

wow what a game. It's like michael moore's films, much easier to get a point accross when you ignore facts that go contrary to what you want everyone else to believe.

Re:bushgame (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9579777)

it doesn't matter what facts you present that support the other side in this case. the truth is scary enough. no facts in that game were distorted or exaggerated. all were gleaned from the public record. no government should be above checks-and-balances from its own people, and this administration has completely abused our faith and apathy.

Tic Tac Toe (3, Funny)

tomknight (190939) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579457)

Well, I guess it's one way to get people to put a cross in a box. More people need to vote..... ;-)


Re:Tic Tac Toe (1)

Patrik_AKA_RedX (624423) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579766)

Now if they would replace the red pencil with a painball gun and use the candidates as targets...

a slippery slope (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9579461)


Next thing you know they'll try to invade the movies!!!

nice (3, Insightful)

_newwave_ (265061) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579473)

Tic-Tac-Toe...I guess that's appropriate for the intelligence level of most of our politicians of today.

Re:nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9579525)

Unfortunately Tic-Tac-Toe is way too complicated for voters in Florida.

They can't even manage to make a single mark so nine squares with two different marks possible would probably cause them to have a mental meltdown.

Re:nice (1)

Sethus (609631) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579538)

Ok, I'm not bashing YOU man, but I don't think that deserved a 5 Insightful :O Definatly a 5 funny, but the current mod might be a bit off ^^

Re:nice (4, Funny)

JuggleGeek (665620) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579601)

Tic-Tac-Toe...I guess that's appropriate for the intelligence level of most of our politicians of today.

You're a bit overly optimistic, IMO.

The 2nd one is nice too (1)

eldacan (726222) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579602)

I'm even more impressed with the other game, just below Tic Tac Toe: "Guess the number". Very nice game. I like the old-school spirit of your politicians.

Re:nice (1)

Flyboy Connor (741764) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579628)

Even worse, it plays the game stupidly. You can defeat it because it always plays the middle cell if it has the chance.

People are bored (5, Insightful)

suzerain (245705) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579475)

I think I've worked at enough failed dot-coms to know why this is happening. Basically, they've got budget X, to maintain the Web site for these political nitwits, and they have to spend it somehow, so that the Corporate Man will keep the greenbacks flowing next time around.

So, they have to piss it away somehow, but can you piss away a great big budget just creating some CMS to handle the candidate's boring "news alerts" and other shit that no one reads? Hence, here comes the "brainstorm", and they all come up with the same bunch of tired old ideas to waste the money and justify their jobs that we've all implemented in the past. You know, polls, "online communities", and Flash games! "Young people like games. We need to lure young voters. Our game will be so kewl that they will all like flock to polling booths and totally elect us!"

And then these stupid little wastes of hard disk space serve to preach to their already converted Beavises and/or Buttheads who are all like "this is so cool...i can like...shoot money with president bush's head...heh heh, heh heh".

Or maybe not. Maybe it's brilliant political strategy.

Mind control for the masses (-1, Offtopic)

sshtome (771249) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579477)

I'd like to point out that the tic tack toe game doesn't work on the mac (using explorer) Does this mean that apple might become a rebel stronghold?

Re:Mind control for the masses (-1, Offtopic)

gabebear (251933) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579590)

works fine in mozilla. What are you doing still using IE?

Political games (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9579480)

You can find links to several political games here. []

Political Asylum (1)

timealterer (772638) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579486)

I've developed a web-based multiplayer politics game called Political Asylum [] . It focusses on the campaigning to get elected rather than running the country.

Slashdot walkthrough for LI's Tic Tac Toe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9579489)

Slashdot walkthrough for LI's Tic Tac Toe []

Don't start the game by playing in the center square. (That's too obvious-- and it doesn't work.)

Play on the center right square, then the lower center square, then the lower-right square.

Oddly, two of the other center-edge combinations are fully protected against.

It seems particularly pathetic to karma whore as an Anonymous Coward, no?

Oh please... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9579492)

A new trend in games? It's been there for ages. Like there's no politics in Civilization.

Obligatory... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9579500)

New York Times Link []

At least they are upfront about it (4, Insightful)

velo_mike (666386) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579511)

There's no hiding the leanings of Persuasive Games when the goal is "Strategically place campaigners on a virtual map to reach out to more Dean supporters". In the same vein, there's no hidden agenda with that movie that came out last week, it seems pretty up front in the advertising. It's the messages weaved into the story lines of games, movies and tv shows, the preaching under the guise of entertainment, that gets my hackles up.

Re:At least they are upfront about it (2, Insightful)

fucksl4shd0t (630000) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579739)

It's the messages weaved into the story lines of games, movies and tv shows, the preaching under the guise of entertainment, that gets my hackles up.

Hmm, isn't that called 'theme'? Isn't it, like, let's see, a requirement? Otherwise what's the point of the entertainment? I'd be interested if you could dig up a few books/movies/whatever that completely lack a theme of some sort.

Maybe I've just been reading too many classics lately, but I'm happy to finally be reading 20k Leagues under the sea! ;)

Re:At least they are upfront about it (2, Insightful)

_Ludwig (86077) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579754)

Yeah, god forbid they pollute our Entertainment with meaning and relevance.

Tic-Tac-Toe (2, Interesting)

Beolach (518512) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579516)

Back in my first High School CS class, my end of the year project was an unbeatable tic-tac-toe game. It had nifty features: Save & load (for those long tic-tac-toe games you can't fit into one session). And I could created save files by hand, so I could load games where the whole board was Xs (or Os), or some such impossible combination. Also this allowed me to be the only person that could beat it (create a save file by hand that was at a point that I could force a win). That was a fun project.

What is the difference between... (4, Funny)

keoghp (457883) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579522)

Q> What is the difference between a board game and a politician?

A> The board game doesn't lie to you.

Nothing new under the sun (5, Insightful)

Young Master Ploppy (729877) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579523)

.....what, you mean America's Army [] ISN'T political?

With tinfoil hat on, it could certainly be argued that every game based on a real-life situation is political, at least subliminally - think about it, how many games have you seen where you play a US Army / Secret Service / CIA / NSA / whatever operative, on a secret mission to stop those evil nasty gooks who are hell-bent on destroying freedom (aka USA) at all costs?

Couldn't it also be argued that every single one of these games contributes on some level to the message "America is great - it's those foreigners you should fear and hate. Stay at home son, and join the US Army!" ?

Just out of interest, how many games have you heard about where you have to stop domestic terrorists?

I'm not trying to claim a deliberate attempt to indoctrinate, just that if you take a step back and view it from the outside (confession:I'm a Brit) then market forces have dictated an unnerving consensus.

OK, OK, I'll take my tinfoil hat off now. Here, I'll even give you a start : -1 Troll


Re:Nothing new under the sun (4, Interesting)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579621)

Couldn't it also be argued that every single one of these games contributes on some level to the message "America is great - it's those foreigners you should fear and hate. Stay at home son, and join the US Army!" ?

But then again, everyone I knew who ever had a copy of Command & Conquer always preferred to play as the Soviets. I played an in-store demo of Medal of Honour - the Pacific war game - and was terribly disappointed that in the excellent Pearl Harbour sequence I could only play as the Americans. I WANT TO BOMB PEARL HARBOUR, DAMMIT!

Much of the fun of historical war games is what might have been. I want to march into Rome with a thousand elephants. I want to lead the Golden Horde to Paris. I want to hang Washington for treason. I want to land Spanish troops in England and dethrone the heretic queen.

Games in which you can only follow the glorious patriotic line are just not complete. You've got to have the chance to be the bad guy once in a while.

Re:Nothing new under the sun (4, Insightful)

CGP314 (672613) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579687)

Grandparent: Couldn't it also be argued that every single one of these games contributes on some level to the message "America is great - it's those foreigners you should fear and hate. Stay at home son, and join the US Army!" ?

Parent: Games in which you can only follow the glorious patriotic line are just not complete. You've got to have the chance to be the bad guy once in a while.

I think your use of the phrase 'bad guy' serves to reinforce the grandparent's comment, not contradict it.

-Colin []

Mod Parent Up ! - but parent valid... (1)

fantomas (94850) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579738)

well said. "US Army" or "Bad Guy". Hmmm, and people wonder why some countries are nervous of the USA? ...
Mind you the parent post does make the good point that a valid point of games is try out alternate scenarios within a historical context, "what if's".

Re:Nothing new under the sun (4, Interesting)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579753)

I think your use of the phrase 'bad guy' serves to reinforce the grandparent's comment, not contradict it.

Possibly - though since history is written by the winners, any counterfactual campaign would probably be 'being the bad guy'. One scenario I mentioned that I'd like to play out was the Spanish invasion of England in 1588: it could certainly be argued that England at that time was a rogue state openly sponsoring terrorist attacks, and Spain was quite justified in acting against Elizabeth's illegitimate regime. But the Armada was defeated, and in English minds to this day King Philip was undoubtedly the bad guy...

Re:Nothing new under the sun (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579697)

Just out of interest, how many games have you heard about where you have to stop domestic terrorists?

A further note to my previous post: Deus Ex.

Of course, halfway through you see the light and join the terrorists. Again, though, I'd like to have had the choice to be the bad guy, to stay with UNATCO - eliminate my treasonous brother, hunt down his terrorist backers and maybe just get something going with the hot cyborg girl...

Developing a political game (5, Insightful)

timealterer (772638) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579540)

One of the main challenges I came across in developing a political game [] was that politics aren't inherently very fun. A racing game or hockey game that leans to the simulation side can still be really enjoyable, but an accurate political simulation tends to be slow-paced and not scale well to large numbers of players. Of course the easy way out is to add fun stuff like assassinations, the mafia, etc....

Re:Developing a political game (1)

sholden (12227) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579633)

There's The Political Machine [] which seems to be a modifcation of "The Corporate Machine" (by the same company), but it's only about the election campaign and is as boring as The Corporate Machine was.

Re:Developing a political game (2, Insightful)

loyalsonofrutgers (736778) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579664)

What about corporate sponsorship.... Pepsi presents "Electoral Math!"

The "problem" with politics is that, on a national level, they're more akin to those hardcore war games than anything that's really mainstream fun. Command and Conquer was a lot more popular than whatever the ultra realistic World War 2 battle simulation of its day was. Not that there's anything wrong with that, though. No one wants to need a degree from the Kennedy School of Government in order to do well in a game. The key is just to seek out the parts that ARE fun and discard the rest.

Re:Developing a political game (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9579745)

Like central planning in Civ?

Turnabout is fair play (4, Interesting)

Space Coyote (413320) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579558)

So a few weeks ago the Republican National Committee comes out with Kerryopoly [] , apparently criticizing John Kerry for being rich. Yes, that's right, republicans criticizing someone for being rich. The response? Contractopoly [] from the Centre for American Progress [] , where you get to collect no-bid Iraqi rebuilding contracts. There's an expression to do with pointing out the splinter in your neighbour's eye while not noticing the plank in your own, I think it might apply here.

Re:Turnabout is fair play (2, Informative)

javaman83 (144935) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579630)

If you haven't figured it out yet, it was Your lord and savior Bill "Does my finger smell like pussy" Clinton that signed the contract with Halliburton.

The Dems' Enemy
Smearing Halliburton.

The Democrats have discovered the enemy in the ongoing Iraq war. And it is Halliburton.

Nothing quite so angers Democrats about the current situation in Iraq than that Halliburton is making money there. Dennis Kucinich, the out-to-lunch leftist who sounds ever more mainstream given the leftward drift of the rest of the Democratic field, wants the United Nations in Iraq so there will be "no more Halliburton sweetheart deals." Bob Graham huffs, "I will not support a dime to protect the profits of Halliburton in Iraq." John Edwards vows "to stop this president from giving billions of dollars in American taxpayer money to companies like Halliburton in unbid contracts."

The Texas oil-services giant formerly headed by Dick Cheney, who still gets deferred compensation from the firm, has achieved iconic status. Halliburton is the equivalent of Dow, the maker of a key ingredient to napalm, during the Vietnam War -- the focus of supposed corporate evil during wartime. It is the equivalent of Mena Airport, the Arkansas site that obsessed anti-Clinton conspiracy theorists during the 1990s -- the focus of dark speculation about the mercenary scheming of a U.S. president.

Behind the Democratic outrage is the implicit, and sometimes explicit, charge that Bush waged war in Iraq to fatten the bottom line of one corporation. As the New York Times has put it, Halliburton's Iraq contract "undermines the Bush administration's portrayal of the war as a campaign for disarmament and democracy, not lucre." But to have risked his presidency -- not mention American lives -- on the war in order to benefit Halliburton, Bush would have to be a psychopath. That the Halliburton charge has become a chief Democratic critique of the war is another sign of the party's descent into unhinged ravings.

As NR's Byron York has reported, it's not really true that the company got its work without competitive bidding. In the 1990s, the military looked for ways to get outside help handling the logistics associated with foreign interventions. It came up with the U.S. Army Logistics Civil Augmentation Program, or LOGCAP. The program is a multiyear contract for a corporation to be on call to provide whatever services might be needed quickly.

Halliburton won a competitive bidding process for LOGCAP in 2001. So it was natural to turn to it (actually, to its wholly owned subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root) for prewar planning about handling oil fires in Iraq. "To invite other contractors to compete to perform a highly classified requirement that Kellogg Brown & Root was already under a competitively awarded contract to perform would have been a wasteful duplication of effort," the Army Corps of Engineers commander has written.

Then, in February 2003, the Corps of Engineers gave Halliburton a temporary no-bid contract to implement its classified oil-fire plan. The thinking was it would be absurd to undertake the drawn-out contracting process on the verge of war. If the administration had done that and there had been catastrophic fires, it would now be considered evidence of insufficient postwar planning. And Halliburton was an obvious choice, since it put out 350 oil-well fires in Kuwait after the first Gulf War.

The Clinton administration made the same calculation in its own dealings with Halliburton. The company had won the LOGCAP in 1992, then lost it in 1997. The Clinton administration nonetheless awarded a no-bid contract to Halliburton to continue its work in the Balkans supporting the U.S. peacekeeping mission there because it made little sense to change midstream. According to Byron York, Al Gore's reinventing-government panel even singled out Halliburton for praise for its military logistics work.

So, did Clinton and Gore involve the United States in the Balkans to benefit Halliburton? That charge makes as much sense as the one that Democrats are hurling at Bush now. Would that they directed more of their outrage at the people in Iraq who want to sabotage the country's oil infrastructure, rather than at the U.S. corporation charged with helping repair it.

(c)2003 King Features Syndicate

Re:Turnabout is fair play (1)

javaman83 (144935) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579672)

Gah I meant to say also signed with Halliburton.

Could it possibly mean that they are the best people for the job?

Bushgame (5, Interesting)

SanGrail (472847) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579560)

Example: []

I've played it to the end, and the most annoying thing was how long it took to kill the Bosses.

It's meant to have a ridiculous plot, does have kinda cool graphics, and it got just a bit too preachy towards the end - but the reason I actually finished it was *for* the little info snippets.

E.g. the presentations on the Death Tax, and the percentage of tax breaks going towards the top 20% & 1% earners in the US.

The political bias is pretty open right from the start, but what I found really worrying is I'm not seeing how someone else could come up with a more positive spin on some of those stats - other than covering them up, of course. :(

And last note, the most disturbing thing about the Voltron sequences for me was - the balls move...

I did it to try out all the different characters. (1)

PanDuh (56522) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579714)

The character cut-scenes were hilarious and so are their super-powers. The Howard Dean scream attack and the Hulk Hogan attacks had me rolling. The Republican Evil-Boss caricatures were funny as well.

Word of advice to you all (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9579564)

There's a flash game out there that's basically just an advertisement for the "punk" clothing store that hosts it. It has "bushgame" in the name. If anyone links something in this discussion containing "bushgame" in the name, DO NOT FOLLOW THE LINK. REALLY. TRUST ME. IT'S ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE. The graphics are ok but the game is awful and the message.. just... ugh. It has about the maturity level and persuasion of a decal of Calvin peeing on a picture of George W Bush.

Again: I'm not warning you against this game because it attacks GWB, I'm strongly in favor of attacking GWB. I'm warning you against this game because it attacks GWB and *does a bad job of it.*

- Super Ugly Ultraman

Stardock's The Political Machine (1)

svzurich (524785) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579565)

Be sure to check out Stardock's The Political Machine! It's free to their Drengin Network subscribers. The Corporate Machine and Galactic Civilizations were big hits, so they decided to make a political sim! Check it out!

Re:Stardock's The Political Machine (1)

greenreaper (205818) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579772)

Agreed, I've tried it out [] and it's pretty smooth stuff. Also it doesn't take itself overly seriously, which is always a good thing in a game. :-)

I'm too lazy to register to read the article... (2, Interesting)

brett42 (79648) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579572)

but this [] is an anti-bush side scroller. The gameplay is pretty boring, but the intro is hilarious.

Games have always been political. (5, Insightful)

91degrees (207121) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579585)

Ever since Space invaders. This was a Japanese game, so the imagery is a little difficult for westerners to comrehend, but the metaphors are there for those who take the trouble to look.

More recently we've had Tomb Raider, which is an ironic campaign against the objectification of Women, (ironically, the irony backfired), and Grand Theft Auto, protesting against the innefectiveness of the criminal justice system.

Re:Games have always been political. (1, Funny)

AliasTheRoot (171859) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579649)

And who could forget the message in Pac Man?

Stuff your face with pills and chase the ghosts away, it was no accident they turned blue when on the run (blue = police geddit?) But even when you were tripping your nuts of you should remember to eat fresh fruit for the Vitamin C.

Tombraider as ironic campaign against the objectification of women my arse, cynical cash in on "Girl Power" more like.

Re:Games have always been political. (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579653)

Ever since Space invaders. This was a Japanese game, so the imagery is a little difficult for westerners to comrehend, but the metaphors are there for those who take the trouble to look.

I read Space Invaders as a metaphor for nuclear war. Hiding behind the defences is futile: your only hope is an all-out aggressive strategy, wiping out the enemy before they hit you. And if that means destroying your own defences to get a clear line of sight then so be it.

Re:Games have always been political. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9579677)

I don't buy it.

Re:Games have always been political. (1)

NeuroManson (214835) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579705)

And lest we forget the valuable anti-drug statements of Pac Man.

Re:Games have always been political. (1, Funny)

91degrees (207121) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579730)

Pacman was anti-prohibition.

Think ABOUT YOUR Breathing (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9579594)

Think ABOUT YOUR Breathing

Isn't that wierd????

Is this... (1)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579606)

... one of the Republican [] games???

Political Data Gathering (2, Insightful)

ooze (307871) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579613)

We all know, that today even the process of getting "pure" facts is political.

I mean, there is nothing wrong with manipulating the process of aquiring and distributing data. I just think it's funny, that those same people manipulating the data, believe in their own manipulated data and base their decisions on that. And even funnier, are wondering why things are not working the way they want. (Weapons of Mass destruction anyone? Or manipulated corporate accounting?)

how to beat tic-tac-toe game at (1)

YoungFelon (674090) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579636)

If the squares three-by-three grid are numbered 1-9:

Square 6 (computer chooses 5)
Square 8 (computer chooses 1)
Square 9 (computer chooses 7)
Square 3, game over

As far as I can tell, this is the only way to win, because of the priority the game appears to give to square 1. I haven't looked at the script, though.

Deja Vu (1)

Clay201 (766249) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579639)

I followed one of the links, clicked around a bit and ended up bearing witness to this travesty [] .

It reminded me of a game that never quite made it to market. You can read about it at this highly educational site [] . [NOTE: Once you get to the page, please do a text search of the page for the words "cheers me up." Sorry for the inconvenience, but it's a long page and I can't figure out a way to link directly to the material.]


I'm sorry, I'm just not clever enough to come up with a signature line.

Who cares (3, Interesting)

sholden (12227) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579643)

People often write a book in order to convince others to agree with them about something.

See religious books, textbooks, "popular science" books, travel guides, etc. for examples.

A lot of fictional works also exist in part so that the author can try to convince others of something (you know the "moral of the story"...)

In fact I suspect most works of art (using the term art generally) do this. Sure some paintings exist solely so that the painter could try a technique out, but many of them are also making a point be it political, social, philosophical, or just an observation.

In fact lots of works of art were created with the main goal being the "preaching of a message". See those hollywood films of WWII vintage that were made in order to "raise moralle" and inspire the populace to fight against the forces of evil.

Simcity says something about the costs and benefits of various power generation techniques (whether it is vaguely correct or not), and "the environment" is certainly a political issue these days. Simearth did so (the environment not power generation) to an even greater degree.

Making a game in which the "message" is the primary motivator isn't an issue to me, lots of other things are made that way...

Re:Who cares (1)

DeepHurtn! (773713) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579703)

Making a game in which the "message" is the primary motivator isn't an issue to me, lots of other things are made that way...

Yup. I actually prefer it when somebody/thing wears their bias on their sleeves -- at least that way you can try to make a judgement as to how self serving what they're telling you is. It's when they try to convince you that what they're telling you is objectively the only rational approach that you need to be on your toes...

At least its not a fake Blueescreen. (1)

DigitalWill (676385) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579651)

'Mr. Blaser considers the game to have been a success. "The bang for the buck was worth it," he says, pointing out that $20,000 buys little television time, which is fleeting anyway.'

I probably would to, if I had that sort of advertising budget, but the games are not a new idea, putting a message in them, not really.

Example: Elf Bowling
Theres millions of people looking for cheap, easy, short term entertainment and relaxation. These are games that have piratically no learning curve. (maybe read what keys do what, after guessing a few common options) and can be easily put away when the boss is walking down the hall, or to take care of whatever home matters that need intimidate attention when they arise.

People happen to be browsing a website, theres something entertaining to do, if only for a few seconds (even I'm guilty of netting the monkey in the banner add for whatever product it was, to see if it was somewhat interactive) It was a few seconds more, that the longer 'impression' was there. If nothing else,it's less time that they have to spend on their competitors website.

If they can get someone to listen to their point, in an unobtrusive, truthful manner. Deceptive advertising is bad advertising. All the better.

The real question would be, what message are they preaching?

How to win : (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9579658)

This Tic-Tac-Toe seems to have a problem : You can win
|7|8| 9|
Play 5, 9, 7, 8

Games are higly manipulative... (-1, Offtopic)

ooze (307871) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579668)

You know you are playing too much CounterStrike, when you are in the LA Getty Museum and can't help but thinking what a great map that would be!

Maybe that's a nice mod for the upcoming Doom3.

Art Robbery.

Goal for the robber team (with specialized classes of course)is to steal any randomly selected painting/artifact.

And the fat security guys team of course has to try to survive.

Both can buy different equipment with their funds,
install alarm systems, carry lockpicking sets etc..

That idea is for free ;)

The most brilliant political game ever (-1, Redundant)

A Merry Finn (598645) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579673)

Bushgame []

Doom and Quake are pro War! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9579688)

Why can't we just try to negotiate with the spawn from another dimmesion. If they can't be communicated with at least they deserve to be protected as endangered species. Shooting something with a nailgun simply because it has several rows of teeth and is charging is pure military industrial facism.

hmm... (5, Funny)

(1)down (749897) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579704)

Cue the debate on if mrs. pacman was a front for womens liberation...

get your (2, Informative)

Organism (457220) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579710)

anti-republican fix at [] . Requires flash, but quite hilarious.

To: Anthony Manetta, President Roosevelt Strategy (3, Funny)

Snaapy (753650) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579717)


Your tic tac toe game is too difficult. I cannot win.


but.. (1)

dj245 (732906) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579750)

Do they refuse to hire coders, graphics people, sound people etc, if they disagree with them politically? These people put their heart and soul into the game. I don't suppose the easter eggs from a different-minded employee would go over well.

Right (-1)

woosoki (38215) | more than 10 years ago | (#9579763)

In Soviet America, the game plays YOU!!!

Sorry, I couldn't resist...

The Points Are All Political (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9579774)

Also, the points don't matter. That's right - the points are like writing letters to your congressman.

We're gonna start this election with a hoedown...
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