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Dept. of Homeland Security Says to Stop Using IE

CowboyNeal posted about 10 years ago | from the warning-is-years-late-in-coming dept.

Internet Explorer 1069

LWATCDR writes "I have been saying this for a long time but now it is offical. From Yahoo News: 'The Department of Homeland Security's U.S. Computer Emergency Readiness Team touched off a storm this week when it recommended for security reasons using browsers other than Microsoft's Internet Explorer.'" In related news, rocketjam writes "According to Wired, the widespread Internet Explorer security exploit last week and CERT's subsequent recommendation that IE users should consider switching to another browser has resulted in a large spike in downloads of the Mozilla Organization's Mozilla and Firefox web browsers."

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first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9592465)

don't fail it don't fail it bloop bloop pl0p bloop bloop fart bloop pl0p bloop boop

HELP!MY FLAHS DOES NOT WOKR WITH THE FIREFOX (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9592561)

plz hlp me, how 2 get flash working with the firefox my XP Profesionel?

Re:HELP!MY FLAHS DOES NOT WOKR WITH THE FIREFOX (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9592610)

Did you install the Greased Up Yoda Doll module? I called Mozilla.org's tech support and the friendly tech (I think her name was Mary-Kate Olsen, I'd ask for her) showed me how to get everything working.

Re:HELP!MY FLAHS DOES NOT WOKR WITH THE FIREFOX (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9592644)

oh tahts graet .cud u plz post her phone numb. hear?

thnkx!!!!

btw: r u also a gnetoo usar?

If it's broke...well....we'll fix it later (5, Insightful)

erick99 (743982) | about 10 years ago | (#9592466)

Rather than come right out and say that their I.E. browser is not yet up to snuff in terms of security issues, Microsoft issues this absolutely delicious serving of corporate double-speak:

"In the meantime, we have provided customers with prescriptive guidance to help mitigate these issues."

This translates to a set of instructions for making changes in I.E. settings since the default settings are not terribly good for security. THe MS spokesperson said that a "comprehensive" security pack for I.E. will be out later this summer. You gotta love this. You just cannot make stuff up like this!

Cheers!

Erick

Re:If it's broke...well....we'll fix it later (5, Informative)

jo42 (227475) | about 10 years ago | (#9592562)


Repeat after me: Global Class Action Lawsuit against Microsoft. Bunch of bumbling fubars. And that ain't the only whole they haven't plugged in months...

Translation for the Layman (5, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | about 10 years ago | (#9592590)

Original: "In the meantime, we have provided customers with prescriptive guidance to help mitigate these issues."

This translates to a set of instructions for making changes in I.E. settings since the default settings are not terribly good for security. THe MS spokesperson said that a "comprehensive" security pack for I.E. will be out later this summer.

Translation: After all those horses get out of the way, we'll have your barn door fixed in a jiffy.

Bad Bureaucrat! Naughty! (4, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | about 10 years ago | (#9592467)

Bad, bad, bad! No more bribes for you!

What's next, a recommendation that everyone stop using Microsoft Windows?

New: Microsox Windlls FU SP7 w/Ubernet Exploiter (a free pile of bugs in each release!)

I have been saying this for a long time but now it is offical.

<Shakespeare mode=Hamlet>: There needs no ghost, my lord, come from the grave to tell us this.</Shakespeare>

Really. How long before the Whitehouse figuratively grabs Tom Ridge by the lapels and tries to throttle him. Such harsh treatment for a huge dono^H^H^H^Hemployer. Oddsbodkins, what next, the GWB DoJ was soft in pursuing the danger of monopoly exploitation of the browser market?

Re:Bad Bureaucrat! Naughty! (4, Funny)

ScottGant (642590) | about 10 years ago | (#9592525)

Billy G. is looking through his bribe-book and is making a big cross-out in it.

Now he's trying to find John Kerry's phone number to tell him "hey, wanna be President? No problem, you're in...the stuff that happens in November is just a formality, but trust me, my next call is to Diebold to finally tell them who I want to win...just remember to have your guy tell everyone that IE and Windows is the OS of choice now...buh bye"

Re:Bad Bureaucrat! Naughty! (3, Funny)

xlyz (695304) | about 10 years ago | (#9592625)

why should he call them up? they are running their stuff on winCE

he just need to update some dll and that's it ;)

Re:Bad Bureaucrat! Naughty! (1)

OECD (639690) | about 10 years ago | (#9592637)

my next call is to Diebold to finally tell them who I want to win...

<TINFOILHAT>And what OS do Diebold machines run? He may not even have to make that call--just release an update on, say, November 1st...<TINFOILHAT>

Re:Bad Bureaucrat! Naughty! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9592601)

> Bad, bad, bad! No more bribes for you!

Bill has been a dirty boy.
Dirty! Dirty boy!

(Ob Futurama reference;-])

Its About time (5, Interesting)

arieswind (789699) | about 10 years ago | (#9592468)

Horray for the Department of Homeland Security! LWATCDR is not the only person that has been saying "get off of IE" for a long time.

Now the pressure is on Microsoft to get their shit together and make IE more secure, or risk losing their commanding lead in the web browser department. Even my dad, who would rather not use a computer than have to start using different programs, has asked me to put FireFox on his system. And my dad's boss, who is quite possibly one of the most computer illiterate people in the world, has expressed interest to him in moving the whole office off of IE onto another browser.

It really says something for how widespread this news is. If I was MicroSoft, I would be scared at this point.

Re:Its About time (5, Funny)

mike77 (519751) | about 10 years ago | (#9592622)

Horray for the Department of Homeland Security!


I feel so....conflicted.

They say IE is bad, which is good, but they're big brother which is bad. My brain 'splode now, thank you.

Re:Its About time (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | about 10 years ago | (#9592624)

It appears that CERT is officially under DoHS - at least that is what Yahoo implies.

Keep in mind that this is the same DoHS that got a D+ in computer security a few months ago.

Re:Its About time (4, Interesting)

plj (673710) | about 10 years ago | (#9592642)

If I was MicroSoft, I would be scared at this point.

Well, they are. According to wired (emphasis mine):

Gary Schare, director of the Windows Client Division at Microsoft, said that CERT's advice had been misrepresented in much of the press coverage.

"Microsoft certainly respects the work CERT does to help protect the Internet and users. Regarding the consideration that users switch browsers, it is unfortunate that the published articles have misrepresented CERT's suggestions, and we are working with CERT to clarify their advice," Schare said.


In other words, Ballmer has probably already contacted Bush to remind him about the terms of his re-election campaign funding by MS...

DUPE!... well, mostly. (3, Informative)

LostCluster (625375) | about 10 years ago | (#9592471)

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
We did this story on Sunday... [slashdot.org]

However, in CowboyNeal's defense, both articles cited here were published after that story on Sunday, and we now have the news of Microsoft's rather weak reaction claiming that CERT didn't mean what we all saw them say and Mozilla's reaction that downloads are up since the first reports. Still, that's a Slashback, not a new story.

Re:DUPE!... well, mostly. (5, Informative)

arieswind (789699) | about 10 years ago | (#9592511)

That was CERT's announcement, this is actually the Department of Homeland Security making this recoomendation. 2 different orginizations, same recommendation.

Re:DUPE!... well, mostly. (1)

xbrownx (459399) | about 10 years ago | (#9592544)

Um...

Department of Homeland Security's U.S. Computer Emergency Readiness Team

I know there are some weird US CERT vs CERT issues, but this is really the same announcement twice.

Re:DUPE!... well, mostly. (2, Insightful)

arieswind (789699) | about 10 years ago | (#9592672)

I realize this, but if I went up to my mom and said, "Hey mom, the CERT recommends you stop using IE" she would just be like "Who is that, why should I care?" but if I said, "Hey mom, the Department of Homeland Security recommends you stop using IE" she would instantly know who I am talking about. Its all about the names "normal" people would recognize.

Re:DUPE!... well, mostly. (4, Interesting)

LostCluster (625375) | about 10 years ago | (#9592634)

Not really. This is the original source document... [networks.org]

Notice that it's the Department of Homeland Security seal at the top of the document. For our purposes, CERT is a subset of DoHS... it's just that the media is now picking up on the more known name of the larger organization to bring the story to the masses.

frost passed (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9592476)

yee haw baby! beat that!

warning: failure alert (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9592520)

farq no, baby! FAIL THAT!

Of course (4, Funny)

savagedome (742194) | about 10 years ago | (#9592483)

resulted in a large spike in downloads of the Mozilla Organization's Mozilla and Firefox web browsers

Duh. All our friends at Microsoft need it too.

*grin*
*grin*

Re:Of course (1)

ackthpt (218170) | about 10 years ago | (#9592522)

Duh. All our friends at Microsoft need it too.

Do they have Firestones on their Explorers?

Enquiring minds want to know.

Yup, they sure did! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9592486)

I didn't listen to them when they asked me to duct tape and plastic wrap my house, I didn't listen to them when they raised the alert level 5 different times, I didn't listen to them when they told me to trust them, but I am glad that other people do... Perhaps this will do double duty! It will fix websites that cater to IE only so that they work with the currently "broken" Firefox so that I don't have to refresh or cross my fingers to get it to work.

Great News (5, Interesting)

devphaeton (695736) | about 10 years ago | (#9592487)

"According to Wired, the widespread Internet Explorer security exploit last week and CERT's subsequent recommendation that IE users should consider switching to another browser has resulted in a large spike in downloads of the Mozilla Organization's Mozilla and Firefox web browsers."

I hope that this also translates into a large spike of donations to the mozilla organization. Firefox and T-bird are teh moh scheezi, and i started using mozilla years ago.

I've donated about $150 over the years, how bout y'all?

Re:Great News (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9592540)

$0 and I plan to keep it that way.

Re:Great News (2, Insightful)

ChozSun (49528) | about 10 years ago | (#9592545)

I donated to Trillian when they were in Beta... I felt that my little bit went a long way.

I have purchased Opera and I have never regretted that decision.

I will wait until Firefox is as smooth as Opera then I will donate.

Re:Great News (1)

stinkyfingers (588428) | about 10 years ago | (#9592550)

I hope that this also translates into a large spike of donations to the mozilla organization.

Unfortunately, not likely. Using the dangerous tool we call "broad generalization", it's easier for *most people* to get off their asses and download Firefox than it is for *most people* to start thinking they need to give up money for a browser.

Re:Great News (1)

Chase (8036) | about 10 years ago | (#9592639)

> do() || do_not(); !try();

Shouldn't it be:

do() || do_not(); try=null;

Re:Great News (1)

ViolentGreen (704134) | about 10 years ago | (#9592661)

I suppose this spike in downloads is not at all related to the fact that a new version of firefox just came out. Perhaps IE security did play a part. My guess is that any part would have been very small.

Half the windows users don't even patch their systems. Why should they worry about an insecure browser?

And yet from the justice dept (5, Insightful)

ch-chuck (9622) | about 10 years ago | (#9592493)

the courts have ruled that Msft's bundling and pushing IE with every OS purchase is good for the consumer. Let business be free to manipulate their customers! It's good for the economy.

Opera (1, Insightful)

brilinux (255400) | about 10 years ago | (#9592497)

Now that everyone and his brother are using Mozilla Firefox, I guess that I will have to go back to using Opera again. At least the ads do not take up as much space as they used to.

Re:Opera (1)

tibike77 (611880) | about 10 years ago | (#9592602)

I use Opera (the non-java edition) for 99% of my browsing, I get on IE only when something is displayed "very fishy" in Opera (or when I have to use two browsers at once to *gasp* cheat *gasp* in free online games... anonymous proxies rule, lol).

Rambling aside, this should be the BIGGEST slap on M$'s cheek since they got slapped with the anti-trust DoJ thingy (or heck, even bigger than that).

Wow (2, Funny)

Osgyth (790644) | about 10 years ago | (#9592499)

Who would have thought it? The government saying something intelligent; about 5 years too late, but better later then never.....

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9592574)

got to give them credit. this announcement was made due to info released recently. :)

if they suddenly said it due to a bug 5 years old.

so acutally im nearly impressed for the govt to issue a report that quickly about something as "mundane" as IE.

Man, this'll be just liek when video games normed (5, Funny)

laigle (614390) | about 10 years ago | (#9592500)

Now all us computer nerds will lose our counter culture edge. Plus you'll no longer be able to detect a fellow geek merely by his browsing choice. I guess we'll have to go back to tossing off random Kevin Smith quotes and seeing who catches on.

Re:Man, this'll be just liek when video games norm (5, Funny)

arieswind (789699) | about 10 years ago | (#9592629)

Well, if you really want to be counter culture, just wait a few months, then start using IE again after the bulk of computer using Americans move over, that will really shock your friends, it can be like a cult

Amazing...BTW, if you haven't used.. (4, Informative)

Dagny Taggert (785517) | about 10 years ago | (#9592501)

Firefox, you need to do yourself a favor. Flawless pop-up blocking, the beauty of tabbed browsing...real standards implementation...the list goes on and on. Now, if only Windows would be declared a national security risk...

Re:Amazing...BTW, if you haven't used.. (2, Interesting)

garcia (6573) | about 10 years ago | (#9592534)

Real standards implementation is worthless in a world where people don't follow them.

Re:Amazing...BTW, if you haven't used.. (1)

at_kernel_99 (659988) | about 10 years ago | (#9592657)

Just a note about your choice of style. For those readers that aren't in the habit of reading subjects, your post looks like a recommendation that Firefox do itself a favor & block popups flawlessly, follow standards, implement tabbed browsing, etc. A little misleading, to say the least.

The Kikes Hate Marlon Brando. We Love Him. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9592505)

The kikes hated Brando [resist.com] . Why? Because Brando spoke the truth:
"We've seen the nigger, and the greaseball. We've seen the chink. We've seen the slit-eyed dangerous Jap. We have seen the wily Filipino. We've seen everything. But we never saw the kike because they knew perfectly well that that's where you draw the wagons around."
Sorry kikeboys, we love Marlon. We will always love him. Stuff it up your ass kikeboys.

Profit (5, Funny)

richdun (672214) | about 10 years ago | (#9592506)

1) Create product that a smaller portion of the population uses, thus keeping the effectiveness of attacks on your product less desirable than the other 2) Give your product away for free, open sourced, and up to date with all the latest standards, oh, and make it more secure (novel idea, really) 3) ??? (wait about five or six years for a government agency to declare your competitor's product unsafe enough to get the CERT all riled up) 4) Profit, or How Mozilla Pays M$ Back for The Whole Killing of Netscape Thing

Marlon Brando dead (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9592508)

I just read some sad news on cnn.com. Actor/horror writer Marlon Brando was found dead in his home this morning at age 80. There weren't any more details. Even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to American film culture. Truly a Hollywood icon.

Just yesterday night, (2)

dupper (470576) | about 10 years ago | (#9592512)

reccommended it to some friends of friends when they complained about having to reformat due to adware and viruses, every few months. They seriously took it to heart.

Viva la revolutione!

Who cares about security, (0, Troll)

imstanny (722685) | about 10 years ago | (#9592514)

A more important question is, do Firefox and Mozilla format the webpages correctly?

Re:Who cares about security, (3, Informative)

daringone (710585) | about 10 years ago | (#9592614)

A more important question is, do Firefox and Mozilla format the webpages correctly?
As long as the people writing the pages aren't intentionally hosing your browser... [com.com]

Re:Who cares about security, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9592630)

yes actually they do, because they follow the recommendations of the w3c.

100K downloads a day... (0, Offtopic)

tcopeland (32225) | about 10 years ago | (#9592515)

...whew. That's as much as the most popular SourceForge project [sourceforge.net] .

And I thought my charts [cougaar.org] spiked after I started mirroring CVS... crikey.

Re:100K downloads a day... (1)

Papineau (527159) | about 10 years ago | (#9592592)

Yea, that's what caught my eye too. 100k a day is about 3M per month, or 36M per year. That's a lot! I'm sure some part of that is never installed and another is downloaded over and over again (because it doesn't stay installed on shared Uni computers or such), but it's still a big number of downloads per day.

Re:100K downloads a day... (1)

tcopeland (32225) | about 10 years ago | (#9592648)

> another is downloaded over and over again

Yup, true, for each new release, too. So the numbers are diluted a bit.

On the other hand, someone could download it once and mirror it internally for 100 users to grab, so maybe it all works out...

switch (5, Insightful)

damballah (691477) | about 10 years ago | (#9592517)

Hopefully people switching to FF will mean that more bugs will be squatched from it. Perfect timing for that 1.0 release.

Re:switch (1)

Mr. Sketch (111112) | about 10 years ago | (#9592612)

Not necessarily. The people using it will be 'average joes' and won't know to submit a bug report, they'll just see 'it doesn't work', 'it crashes more than ie', or something to that effect and not be proactive in helping the community fix bugs. This will of course lead to the impression that non-microsoft products really are inferior and they should just stick with microsoft. They should really be recommending something more stable like mozilla or netscape.

Firefox's Gestures (4, Informative)

Ruonkrak (788831) | about 10 years ago | (#9592618)

After making the switch to Mozilla Firefox and using it for two days, I'm hooked. I downloaded the All-in-One Gestures extension, and I can't for the life of me figure out how I ever lived without it. It's a whole new paradigm in browsing. This is another milestone in the MS exodus towards open source and Linux. Disclaimer: I do not work for Mozilla... just a satisfied user.

Re:switch (1)

stinkyfingers (588428) | about 10 years ago | (#9592670)

It's unfortunate that Firefox had to put out a minor release so soon (a week?) after their new release. Didn't bother me none, but might have bothered new users. Call me a Firefox apologist.

But there's always the old argument that there's no security problems with netscape/mozilla/mac/linux/whatever because no one uses it. I hope that if Firefox ever did gain the market share (highly doubtful), it's ready for the scrutiny.

Homeland Security actualy works!!! (5, Funny)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | about 10 years ago | (#9592519)

wow!!

Heh, oops... (5, Funny)

Malor (3658) | about 10 years ago | (#9592521)

From the Yahoo article:

Alternative browsers such as Mozilla or Netscape may not protect users, the agency warned, if those browsers invoke ActiveX control or HTML rendering engines.
Phew, thank goodness the open source coders are smart enough to leave those nasty HTML rendering engines out of web browsers!

Lynx (4, Funny)

nizo (81281) | about 10 years ago | (#9592582)

The only really safe browser! Not so good for browsing porn sites, but since you want to download the images anyway, maybe lynx is good for that too!

Re:Heh, oops... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9592676)

I'm pretty sure what he meant was is it invokes ActiveX controls or MS's HTML rendering engine

(which many apps do, Halflife for one)

funny all the same though.

Homeland Security Be Damned (5, Funny)

RabidChicken (684107) | about 10 years ago | (#9592528)

Recently I was cleaning rather obnoxious spyware off of my sister's laptop. To prevent further infection, I was asking her to install Firefox. I said it'll block popups. Still reluctant. Tabbed browsing? Nope. More secure? Nu uh, still stubborn. Stop the spyware? No. (She's getting irritated at this point). CERT Recommended to stop using IE? Still won't let me install it.
*pause*
She then asks if our mother uses it. I said yes (thanks to me).
"Ok, install it."

Homeland security be damned, it's the MOTHERS we need to convert.

by that logic (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9592565)

It's vibrators next.

For you as well as her.

Re:Homeland Security Be Damned (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9592583)

God, man. Interesting story. Your sister must be some nigger.

Re:Homeland Security Be Damned (0)

strictnein (318940) | about 10 years ago | (#9592662)

Yes you are correct. I mean... I "converted" your mother just last night.

Bada bing!

Re:Homeland Security Be Damned (5, Insightful)

Groucho (1038) | about 10 years ago | (#9592669)

I've got a better way to convince users.

We need to stand up and tell all the family members and friends we're supporting for free - we are, after all, unpaid Microsoft technical support, without whom the users might as well be using command-line Unix - that they can either stop using IE, stop calling us for support, or expect a $200.00 per hour charge, with a one hour minimum per call.

Enough is enough. No more unpaid work cleaning up after Bill. It's like walking behind an elephant with a dustpan and a broom.

Firefox will install with 'power user' access (4, Informative)

tabdelgawad (590061) | about 10 years ago | (#9592541)

For those considering installing Firefox on Win2k PCs they don't have 'administrator' accounts on, I can report that it installs and works perfectly well from a 'power user' account. Perfect for those considering an installation on a work PC.

You should probably find out if IE uses any work-related proxy-server and change that setting manually in Firefox once the install is complete.

Happy browsing!

Re:Firefox will install with 'power user' access (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9592628)

I installed Firefox at work. I don't have "administrator" access to computer in question, and what happened was that FireFox installed ok, and runs great. But Java didn't want to install, so I can not access all functions on our intranet :(

Sun, why can't you be more like Mozilla? :)

Re:Firefox will install with 'power user' access (2, Insightful)

MntlChaos (602380) | about 10 years ago | (#9592654)

Actually, I believe any account that can execute code in its home directory should work. Firefox is downloadable as a zip (or was about a year ago).

Re:Firefox will install with 'power user' access (2, Informative)

bheer (633842) | about 10 years ago | (#9592682)

Here's your Win32 zip [mozilla.org] - IIRC you can run this even on a guest account as long as you have access to some unzip software.

Yeah Right (5, Interesting)

BigDork1001 (683341) | about 10 years ago | (#9592543)

Homeland Security says to stop using IE but in the Air Force we're still using it and I haven't heard any plans to switch to something else. It's good to know that the DoD is listening to the security measures of the other departments.

Yahoo = Dumboo (1)

TechnologyX (743745) | about 10 years ago | (#9592549)

"...inserts Java scripts into certain websites.."

Java is scriptable now? I thought it was dying?

Get ready Mozilla developers. (1)

natefaerber (143261) | about 10 years ago | (#9592553)

I guess this means we'll start seeing more exploits for Firefox (or attempted exploits; ie, bugs).

I thought... (1)

javelinco (652113) | about 10 years ago | (#9592556)

that the Department of Homeland defense was evil and wrong in everything it does and says? ;)

Kinda funny... (4, Interesting)

devphaeton (695736) | about 10 years ago | (#9592560)

Not 4 months ago MSN.com (obviously slanted) was trumpeting around "BROWSER WAR IS OVER!!!" and proclaiming that IE was the clear victor (though they never gave the conditions that made it a victor, they just sensationalized and re-iterated the same shit over and over in different wording in True Fox News Style(tm))

MS to "win the browser war" just in time to have their browser shot down every time they turn.

They had better wake up to this, too... These days, "internet" is about 85% of what computing is about. MS with all their attempts to blur the lines between your computer and the internet, and their flagship web application is poo.

webserver logs (1)

hey (83763) | about 10 years ago | (#9592564)

I'll beleive it when I see a decrease in IE use on my webserver logs. Or maybe on netcraft. Would be a sweeet thing to see!

I believe it's time for a cliche... (2, Funny)

Pollux (102520) | about 10 years ago | (#9592568)

The Department of Homeland Security...recommended for security reasons using browsers other than Microsoft's Internet Explorer.

Well, no shit sherlock.

This just means.. (2, Insightful)

Pranjal (624521) | about 10 years ago | (#9592569)

..that the hackers will start targetting Mozilla/FireFox now as it might become the dominant browser out there.

They will always target the browser having the most user base as the probablity of exploit becoming successfull increases.

Firefox, Mozilla and performance (3, Informative)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | about 10 years ago | (#9592570)

I use Mozilla for most things, though on my Mac I increasingly use Safari, for the simple reason that I feel that Mozilla's rendering engine needs work. Gecko is slower at rendering pages than the engine powering Safari. Maybe had I a more recent computer I wouldn't notice the difference so much, but for many people this could be a sticking point. Some people I have spoken to still feel Mozilla and Firebird lose out against IE for just this reason. Other than that, I like the browser (Mozilla that is), and I am using the most recent release.

Re:Firefox, Mozilla and performance (1)

Threni (635302) | about 10 years ago | (#9592607)

I think you need to get a new PC, if actually rendering web-pages causes you a problem. Are you sure it's not your graphics card, or system in general?

Yay... (1)

Dozix007 (690662) | about 10 years ago | (#9592573)

Finally they have the Homeland Security has smarted up about something. I have read several articles that IE has yet to patch holes in their software they have known about for several years, and those holes are not the ones exploited by the recent trojan. Hmm... can anyone say "Recompile your browser in Windows and give it the IE identification (when you go to websites) and install Mono"

tough to get employers to listen (5, Insightful)

bodrell (665409) | about 10 years ago | (#9592575)

Where I work, the new management is enamored of IE. Although our current IT dept. installed Mozilla on all our computers (and REMOVED IE) I hear we'll be forced to use Outlook for email in the near future. It makes me want to vomit. Whenever family or friends tell me about their computer problems, whether viruses or adware or whatever, my main advice is 1) stop using Internet Explorer and 2) stop using Outlook.

I've been posting news articles like this one around the workplace, but man, is it hard to get anyone to listen. If HQ won't even listen to this headquarters's own IT department, why should they listen to someone in R&D?

Bah. Anyone have any advice on this?

sad to say that ... (1)

xlyz (695304) | about 10 years ago | (#9592587)

as mozilla numbers go up, couple of days ago I found a download request for a very suspect xpi file while browsing a ****z site

time for some security headache?

A fix for IE?? (4, Informative)

Sergeant Beavis (558225) | about 10 years ago | (#9592588)

Microsoft [microsoft.com] released a fix for this issue today. Basically it disables the ADODB.Stream object. However, it requires a regedit to implement. I imagine a hotfix is forthcomming. Still, Firefox and Mozilla don't suck at all, so people should at least use this as an excuse to give them a try IMO.

Which browser is secure to use? (1)

JDRipper (610930) | about 10 years ago | (#9592593)

Should I pick one from this list? http://secunia.com/advisories/11978/ Hmmmm....

Give advice to alternative browser newbies! (2, Interesting)

2Flower (216318) | about 10 years ago | (#9592594)

I've been interested in switching browsers for awhile now -- particularly since my windows is borked and despite owning it legitimately (won in a contest) it think it's pirated and refuses to get any IE security patches.

But a few confusion points are holding me back. Likely holding back a lot of folks who might switch, so if you know, dive in and lay down some evidence...

1. Which of the two browsers is simpler / less bulky, Mozilla, or Firebox? I don't want something slow loading, bloated with features, and overcomplicated. You know, IE.

2. Can either of them merge with Windows the way IE does? Running URLs from the Run box, for instance. I don't want to accidentally launch IE by the old methods.

3. Does Mozilla still have that stupid "download manager"? How do I turn it off? Every time I wanted to save a file that thing would pop up when I just wanted the simple windows of an IE download that go away when done.

Obviously, I am t3h n00b. But that means I'm the audience you need to sell on the idea of ditching Microsoft the most -- and I plan to pass it on to friends, coworkers, etc.

You are all idiots (1)

NessusRed (710227) | about 10 years ago | (#9592595)

GIVE ME MONEY NOW!!

Another recommendation ... (4, Funny)

orangeguru (411012) | about 10 years ago | (#9592599)

The Department of Homeland Security recommends not to use George Bush anymore - because of serious security leaks and erratic behaviour.

Let's turn this around, shall we (0, Troll)

broothal (186066) | about 10 years ago | (#9592603)

People in this thread keeps saying that M$ is under pressure and this is the best news since sliced bread. Well, I see this a wee bit different. Now, Mozilla is under pressure!

Once Mozilla gains sufficiently market shares, we will see exploits for that browser more and more often. And yes - there will be exploits. IE is not compromised so often just because it's poorly written, but because it's so popular that hordes of script kiddies are trying out every possible hack.

In other news, DHS says Stop Using Airplanes. (2, Funny)

gfecyk (117430) | about 10 years ago | (#9592609)

Not that it stopped hordes of travellers anyway.

Maybe people will choose to take charge of their own computer security like I've ranted about for years now.

But monopolies are good! (2, Interesting)

chia_monkey (593501) | about 10 years ago | (#9592611)

Yeah...monopolies are great! See...you can um, build a browser that doesn't really follow any w3c standards. But since you're a monopoly, it doesn't matter and it forces everyone to code for your browser instead of by the standards. And then...you don't have to worry about that pesky competition and the innovation that is created by competition. That silly innovation could lead to very secure browsers all around.

Oh wait...now it's all tumbling down. Who would have guessed being a monopoly and then not even following any standards but marching to the beat of your own drum would end up hurting you?

Yet...I still wonder how this will affect Microsoft. Do they even care?

don't click on links in IE (5, Funny)

mgoss (790921) | about 10 years ago | (#9592617)

A support article [microsoft.com] by Microsoft suggests a solution to the holes in their product, specifically the one where an address can be spoofed and displays a different url than the one you're actually at. Solution: Don't click on links! :)

"The most effective step that you can take to help protect yourself from malicious hyperlinks is not to click them. Rather, type the URL of your intended destination in the address bar yourself."

We Need (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9592635)

Ralph Nader to get on National Television and Proclaim that "Internet Explorer is unsafe at any speed"

Congratulations Mozilla Team. (2)

GillBates0 (664202) | about 10 years ago | (#9592640)

I think I speak for everybody here when I say: Thanks for the great browser Mozilla team! Great Work!.

This comment proudly posted through Firefox.

Serious for MS (4, Interesting)

Decaff (42676) | about 10 years ago | (#9592650)

This kind of thing could be serious for Microsoft. Their strategy is 'thick client' - the browser and other features are integrated into the operating system. If security issues remain while the browser becomes a fundamental part of future Windows use, their are in trouble.

Keep using Internet Explorer! (4, Funny)

bubba451 (779167) | about 10 years ago | (#9592665)

If we all stop using Internet Explorer, the terrorists have won!

Closed captioned for the PR impared (5, Insightful)

LostCluster (625375) | about 10 years ago | (#9592666)

"Microsoft certainly respects the work CERT does to help protect the Internet and users. Regarding the consideration that users switch browsers, it is unfortunate that the published articles have misrepresented CERT's suggestions, and we are working with CERT to clarify their advice," Schare said.

Let's see what we have here.
- First sentance tells us that Microsoft isn't going to try to attack the credibility of CERT because that'd be unlikely to get anywhere.
- Second sentance is trying to blame "the media" for misreporting the story, but the media's working from a primary source that has a section heading called "Use a different web browser". I don't know how you're "misrepresenting" that when you take that as a suggesting to download any browser that isn't Internet Explorer which means Mozzila, Opera, Netscape or any other compeitor out there. They want CERT to take back the recomendation to just stop using IE... that's the only kind of "clarification" that's possible here.

Microsoft clearly wants a CERT retraction. But do they stand any chance at getting one?

Now if only Mozilla (or FireFox) was faster!!! (1, Insightful)

green pizza (159161) | about 10 years ago | (#9592678)

I use IE on most of my PCs because it's fast. Not just fast to launch (that's obvious) but faster at loading pages and faster at scrolling.

In the Real World, Pentium II systems are the norm. Not everyone has a watercooled P4 monster. Heck, in most of the machines I see and work with, you're lucky to have a real video card. There's nothing like a PII/350 with onboard video using shared PC100 RAM. Sooo slooow.

Back to IE, it's *much* faster than even the latest builds of Mozilla and FireFox. With config tweaking and other incantations, the gap narrows a bit, but IE still wins.

I would love Mozilla, *IF* it was faster.

Take this one seriously? (1)

Solar Limb (673519) | about 10 years ago | (#9592679)

I didn't listen to them when they asked me to duct tape and plastic wrap my house, I didn't listen to them when they raised the alert level and color five different times, I didn't listen to them when they told me to trust them, but I am glad that other people do... Perhaps this will do double duty! It will fix websites that cater to IE only so that they work with the currently "broken" Firefox so that I don't have to refresh or cross my fingers to get it to work.

'Bout time a message of this magnitude got pushed out into mainstream visibility.

Cert Advisory (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9592685)

The CERT advisory specifies:"Such a decision (remove IE) may, however, reduce the functionality of sites that require IE-specific features such as DHTML, VBScript, and ActiveX."

OK, tranlation, less popup, less flashing colors, less annoying mouse cursor with trailing text, and no more auto-install of spyware. hmmm, I don't see a problem here.
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