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Comparing Internet Cafe Rates Worldwide

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the eating-out-sometimes-expensive dept.

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tcd004 writes "I recently began compiling the hourly rates from Internet cafes around the world into a map. The result reveals wildly different prices, even in countries with similar economic conditions and technological development. This often puts access out of reach for large populations in developing countries who live on less than $1 per day. It seems government policies and telecom deregulation (in countries like Nigeria) are often the strongest forces determining a cafe's hourly rates. If you want to do some of your own rate hunting, take a look at sites like Cybercafes.com."

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Government Subsidies (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594221)

What's interesting is that internet cafes in a number of the countries with low rates (Pakistan $0.60, Ghana $0.60, Indonesia $0.66, and Turkey $0.50) use government subsidies [iicd.org] to keep their rates down. Ghana, in particular, has done this as they believe that increased exposure to the outside world will help encourage its citizens to become literate.

Re:Government Subsidies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594262)

There's also been some talk of this in my county in California. Unfortunately they can't seem to come up with the cash.

Re:Government Subsidies (5, Funny)

daveo0331 (469843) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594263)

Ghana, in particular, has done this as they believe that increased exposure to the outside world will help encourage its citizens to become literate.

I take it Ghana has never heard of AOL.

Re:Government Subsidies (1)

tool462 (677306) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594383)

wh47 ru ta1kin6 4b0ut? im fr0m gh4n4 n am c0mpl3t1y 1it3r4t3. A0L t4u6ht m3 2 r33d!

Re:Government Subsidies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594433)

>I take it Ghana has never heard of AOL.

It looks like the mods have heard of LOL.

Re:Government Subsidies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594490)

Afghanistan is $1.00
Although I suspect they use a lot of wirelss
*duck and cover*

Re:Government Subsidies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594365)

It's amazing how easy it is to pull complete bullshit out of your ass and get modded up for it.

Re:Government Subsidies (1)

Kjuib (584451) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594371)

This would explain all the unlegible blogs hanging around. Literacy can be a dangerous weapon in the hands of fools. (I am not point fingers - Hence no trolling)

Re:Government Subsidies (1)

djtripp (468558) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594438)

Me illeterate? That's unpossible!

Re:Government Subsidies (3, Interesting)

base3 (539820) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594413)

And the nice thing about subsidies, from the government's point of view, is that it makes an easy segway to regulation and monitoring.

Re:Government Subsidies (1)

Sarhosh Amiral (772139) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594553)

As far as I know, government does not subsidize net cafes in Turkey. The price which is around 0.60 USD is not actually very cheap for Turkey.

that's not completely true (3, Informative)

alphan (774661) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594583)

I don't know about other countries, but I have a friend who owns an internet cafe in Turkey. I can say for sure there is no such direct support from the goverment.

The reasons for low prices, however maybe related to the fact that minors go to internet cafes a lot to play Counter Strike, GTA etc. Obviously this is because, in Turkey, many houses don't have computer. As the minors are the main customer group, and they cannot effort expensive prices, I think math is clear.

I should also mention that, my friend's internet cafe is always full during the summer. I don't know much about the school period though.

Re:Government Subsidies (1)

nizo (81281) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594599)

I suppose government subsidies are better than the cafe sniffing traffic and using keyboard logging to subsidize the cost in other ways...

ALLOW ME TO INTRODUCE MYSELF (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594228)

I AM THE SON OF A WEALTHY INTERNET CAFE GENERAL...i have a vast fortune that needs to be transfered out of the country...

Speaking of which (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594307)

Why do some ISPs etc. block e-mails sent from IPs of cybercafes that have been sent using the webmail service of a completely different website? It's fustrating when being on holiday and sending an e-mail to a friend, only to have it bounce because it was mistaken for spam. Sometimes, the e-mails don't even bounce, so you're not sure if your friend got it. ARGH!

Yes, I know that spammers use Internet cafes to do their dirty deeds, but the spam-filters should somehow have the ability to detect a genuine e-mail sent using the webmail service.

Why not compare the food? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594237)

I can get good internet service at home, but if I go out to a cafe I want good food and drink.

Hm.. (0, Redundant)

arieswind (789699) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594243)

I guess the point is that if you live in Nigeria and want to go on the internet, you should make a quick trip to Ghana, so you dont spend 5 days worth of wages in 1 hour

Re:Hm.. (4, Funny)

Dimensio (311070) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594487)

Good lord, no wonder they're scamming. They're not trying to get rich, they just don't have any other way to afford Internet connectivity!

On the other hand, it does make me feel even better about baiting the scammers. Every minute wasted sending me email (even more when they send me silly pictures of themselves dumping water on their heads) is money that they've lost.

Internet Cafes are dying (1, Insightful)

jZnat (793348) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594248)

Now that broadband is a cheap commodity and it isn't hard to get a high-end PC that can run pretty much any game as of now, Internet Cafes are becoming more and more useless. Sure, they are sometimes helpful when you're on the go, but that is also solved by notebooks, PDAs, and cell phones.

Who remembers the good ol' days hanging out at Internet Cafes, playing LAN games with friends, browsing with "super-fast" internet speeds, and just overall hanging out at those places? It was great!

Re:Internet Cafes are dying (1, Insightful)

arieswind (789699) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594273)

they might be dying in america, but they are still majorly profitable in place like korea and other places where the normal people cant afford a computer

South Korea (4, Interesting)

tuxette (731067) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594348)

I was told by someone who had been in South Korea that Internet cafés there are what bookstores were in the 90s. Pickup/meeting places. Not sure if that's true or not.

Over here in Oslo, I see lots of Internet cafés and they're almost always empty.

Re:South Korea (2, Funny)

rocket_d00d (744666) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594444)

Over here in Oslo, I see lots of Internet cafés and they're almost always empty.

The "porn booths" some of them have installed seems to be frequently visited, though :-)

Re:Internet Cafes are dying (1)

nayigeta (792068) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594443)

...profitable in place like korea....

I think you should qualify Korea further - South or North Korea. Anyway, I think both North and South Korea is a bad example for your statement - where the normal people cant afford a computer.

South Korea is actually one of the most connected place on earth. Read here :South Korea: Broadband blues [ebusinessforum.com]

North Korea, on the other hand, is a very closed and restricted place, where internet access is likely controlled - even if it is affordable.

Re:Internet Cafes are dying (1)

arieswind (789699) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594512)

indeed i did mean south korea.. and i also did not mean to include south korea in the where the normal people cant afford a computer. statement, i was more referring to some of the countries in africa

Re:Internet Cafes are dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594333)

they're turning to cheap VoIP you only have to visit any cybercafe in paris to see that.

BTW average 2euro/hr in tourist districts, cheapest sofar 1euro/hr, certaintly cheaper mobile phone rates and less hassle than lugging a notebook.

Re:Internet Cafes are dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594370)

EasyInternetCafe [easyinternetcafe.com] branches charge about 1 euro per hour. They are located in various cities throughout Europe, but there's also eight in the USA (all of which happen to be in New York).

Finally (4, Funny)

otisaardvark (587437) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594251)

We can start compiling better (and statistically, better 'weighted') indicators of PPP than the incredibly successful (but somewhat outdated) Big Mac Index [economist.com] .

Re:Finally (1)

nayigeta (792068) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594559)

Interesting that the parent is mod funny.

When we think about PPP (Purchasing Power Parity), this hourly rate internet access is definitely a poorer form of comparison than Big Mac.

The Big Mac everywhere is the same (in content, in shape, etc) - so Big Mac is a good indicator for PPP, ceteris paribus.

But hourly rate across different type of internet cafe, different type of service, is well definitely not ceteris paribus.

Turkey (2, Funny)

birdwax2k (787311) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594258)

Looks like i'm heading to Turkey. But seriously, do people even use Cyber Cafes? I find that most of their policies about pr0n render them useless, especially with public indecency laws.

Do these countries have any idea what other countries are being charged? I think they are just making up numbers that sound good, while making the most money off of it.

Re:Turkey (1)

RazzleFrog (537054) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594377)

I would hope that the businesses are just calculating their prices based on their cost to provide the service plus whatever markup they feel the market will bear. It would be rather odd for them to base their prices on what other countries charge. Do you think that rent, employee wages, bandwidth, and other overhead costs are the same in Ghana as they are in the US?

Re:Turkey (1)

nusuth (520833) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594416)

In Turkey most people use cybercafes for gaming, not surfing. However, that also means you have share all bandwidth of a cafe with just a few people if you do really surf. I've never used a cybercafe for surfing porn but I'm not aware of any laws against that either. Perhaps minor's exposure to porn could be a problem at some places (you don't have much piracy.) At the very least, I'm sure you can download your stuff and have the cafe burn it to a CD for you.

I think we owe the cheapest access to the fact that almost all software is pirated and 1MBits is considered a luxury.

Re:Turkey (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594434)

Corr: (you don't have much privacy.)

20 seconds rule, I hate you.

Does Anyone Use Cyber Cafes? (1)

erockett (784008) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594430)

I used internet cafes whenever I could during my trip to Germany in summer '03. Since I didn't have any other way of sending emails to my family and friends, I used email-providing websites from these cafes. I also know a lot of people who play games in an internet cafe on campus - they seem to think it's the best thing in the world to do on an afternoon after classes.

Re:Turkey (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594436)

Looks like i'm heading to Turkey.

I am Goblox, son of Turkitron. This reminds me of a extremely long and boring story of how turkeys became a master race. Through a freak accident involving radiation, and I'm told, marshmallows...

No Korea? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594269)

I can't believe South Korea was skipped in this survey. They have one of the highest rates of internet cafes of any country I've ever been too. And they're really cheap to boot.

Re:No Korea? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594319)

And they're really cheap to boot.

How much does it cost to actually use the computer? Turning on a computer is fun and all, but it gets a little boring after awhile.

HAHHAHAHHH FUNNUNUY! I AM SO FNNUY!

Re:No Korea? (2)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594501)

I think the term "Internet Cafe" is extremely diluted. So it makes it hard to count certain cafes as Internet or not.

You can hook up your own laptop, but limited access, does that count?

They have a custom computer, but you can't access your own email, does that count?

etc

etc

etc

It goes on and on.

Re:No Korea? (1)

Quixote (154172) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594587)

And they're really cheap to boot.

Maybe that's why they got booted off the survey...

Thank you. I'll be here all week. Try the bibimbap, I hear it's delicious!

Nice Cybercafe Listing (5, Informative)

Globe199 (442245) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594282)

Crappy cybercafe listing on Cybercafes.com. It still lists Cyber X [cybercafes.com] in Minneapolis. That place has been out of business for many years.

The site doesn't even have a function to add or modify listings. All it has is a banner ad for cheese!

Globe199

Re:Nice Cybercafe Listing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594441)

All it has is a banner ad for cheese!

Dude! It's cheese! What more could you possibly want?

Yah, but... (1)

jmrobinson (660094) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594291)

I bet they don't have counterstrike at those internet cafe's...

Re:Yah, but... (1)

YankeeInExile (577704) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594402)

The one nearest my house has an entire pod of 20 PCS dedicated to Counterstrike, in a separate room. From about 4PM on, it is mobbed and there is a waiting list. It costs 10 pesos (about 90 US cents) per hour.

I walk by several Internet cafés every day... (3, Interesting)

tuxette (731067) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594311)

...but I have no idea what their prices are as I have ADSL at home and thus have no need for such services. If I had to, I would look up prices for someone or other...

Prices at Internet cafés are perhaps more interesting for tourists than anyone else. Then again, isn't the point of being on holiday to get away from it all, including (and especially?) the computer?

In countries with $1/day salaries (3, Interesting)

MarvinMouse (323641) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594315)

I think those people have more serious issues than not being able to access the Internet. Sure, they cannot afford to view the internet, but the bigger question, is can they even afford to clothe themselves, eat, and have proper housing? When those three issues are resolved, then we should worry about the cost of internet cafes there.

Re:In countries with $1/day salaries (4, Insightful)

arieswind (789699) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594354)

Keep in mind that although they only make 1$/day, it probably costs a whole lot less to live in those countries, us americans have the highest cost of living in the world

Re:In countries with $1/day salaries (1)

stinkyfingers (588428) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594533)

Keep in mind that although they only make 1$/day, it probably costs a whole lot less to live in those countries, us americans have the highest cost of living in the world

This is probably one of most ignorant excuses for ignoring poverty around the world. Do tell, which country would you like to live in, making the equivalent of one American dollar per day for doing what the citizens in that country typically do for that one American dollar?

Re:In countries with $1/day salaries (1)

BlueCup (753410) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594573)

While yes, these people are much poorer than people in america, and other developed countries typically are, to say that they only make 1 dollar a day is misleading. The people that make this in these countries (most of the countries anyway) aren't starving, but instead of relying on their money are using other items for barter to get food... I don't think he was saying that these people are relatively rich and we should just ignore them, rather I think he was pointing out that they're not as bad as people typically imagine when they hear 1 dollar per day.(in most places, though no one can deny that in some places things are indeed really bad, this being typically places with difficulty with natural resources, and the ability to produce items to trade with.)

Re:In countries with $1/day salaries (1, Interesting)

InfiniteWisdom (530090) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594579)

Sure. $1 buys you a week's groceries in Bombay... and Bombay has a pretty high cost of living compared to other places in India.

eZinternet Cafe (4, Interesting)

djtripp (468558) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594317)

I love their sliding scale. When it's dead, you can get an hour for like 1 euro. If it's packed and super busy, it's 5-10 euro and hour.

Is smoking allowed? (-1, Troll)

pipingguy (566974) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594321)


As a smoker, I am probably one of the most discriminated-against individuals in the western world.

Re:Is smoking allowed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594374)

People are prejudiced against idiots. That's just how it works...

Re:Is smoking allowed? (3, Insightful)

InfiniteWisdom (530090) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594376)

How many businesses would let me stay if I came in and started spraying skunk-juice around? That is exactly the effect that smokers have on the rest of us. Just stand with a group of smokers for a while and your clothes, hair and everything are reeking of smoke for the rest of the day.

You can smoke all you want... do it in a space suit so you don't stink up the place for the rest of us, mm kay?

Re:Is smoking allowed? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594384)

As a serial killer, I'm more discriminated against than you are. There's not a single country anywhere that will let me legally pursue my hobby!

Re:Is smoking allowed? (1)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594462)

As a serial killer, I'm more discriminated against than you are. There's not a single country anywhere that will let me legally pursue my hobby!

Interesting. Considering the effects of second-hand smoke, perhaps smokers are serial killers?

Re:Is smoking allowed? (1)

mike_mgo (589966) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594394)

About the only thing I can think of that a smoker suffers discrimination for is health insurance, and from an insurers perspective this seems perfectly reasonable.

As far as bars, restaurants, stores, etc being non-smoking, you're not being discriminated against, you're completely free to go into any of those places. You're just not allowed to smoke while there because it disturbs other people.

Re:Is smoking allowed? (1)

SpaceCadetTrav (641261) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594401)

Here's a clue: You stink!

Re:Is smoking allowed? (1, Offtopic)

Natedog (11943) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594449)

PLEASE! What a load of crap.

Being a "smoker" is not a state of being, its a habit, an action. Therefore you are not being discriminated against as a person if you are not allowed to smoke in certian places -- it would be different if, say, the sign said "No Smokers Allowed" instead of "No Smoking" Its no different than laws preventing me from strutting around nude, or laws that require me to wear shoes when I go into a resturant.

As a Barefooter I'm Sooo discriminated against. Bitch Bitch.

And that's ok. (1, Offtopic)

raehl (609729) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594535)

See, as a smoker, you're a pain in the butt. You smell funny, you stink up the air, and you give cancer to others. This sort of discrimination is ok, as you've earned it. Contrast this with, say, racial discrimination, which is bad because 1) People can't change their race (you can refrain from smoking) and 2) Race has zero practical effect on anything.

So, how about instead of trying to push your smoke on the rest of us you just stop smoking?

Australia? (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594322)

That's an odd graph. Australia's rates show up as $7.50US an hour, that's over $10 AUS an hour.

I've never seen internet cafe rates that high here, the most I've paid is $5AUS an hour, and that was in a music store that also provided free coffee.

I'd suggest... (3, Insightful)

Otter (3800) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594323)

This is contrary to what seems to be the political slant of that site, but it seems to me that drawing conclusions about the affordabilty of Internet access by looking at the poorest of the poor in a given country seems unproductive.

1) In the short- and medium-term, the question is what kind of access middle-class and upper-class people have. There seems to be some obsession with getting illiterate farmers technology that the average person in wealthy countries doesn't have, but to my mind that's far less relevant than the overall level of computer use and access.

2) This analysis also ignores numbers. A single, dirt-cheap cyber-cafe provides far less access than 50 expensive, well-maintained ones, and it's the higher prices that allow greater numbers and decent tech and maintenance. Again, I suspect I'm going against the political grain of that site by saying so.

Re:I'd suggest... (1)

i_should_be_working (720372) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594520)

agreed,

i've been in some of those "dollar a day" countries in Africa, and the people who want internet access definately make much more than a dollar a day and can afford those rates.

in fact, that whole "dollar a day" characterization of a country is misleading. it's an average. there are lots of people in the country side who make zero dollars a day. they make/grow their food/clothes/homes. people in the cities are the ones who want and can afford paying a couple of dollars an hour for internet access.

i'm not saying these countries aren't poor, but obviously those are competitve rates that customers can afford, else internet cafes wouldnt turn a profit.

Numbers are way off for India (4, Informative)

InfiniteWisdom (530090) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594326)

At least in Bomba, where I lived till 2002, cyber cafes cost a lot less than the $1.35 claimed... Rs.60/hour. I think Rs.25-30 is more typical.

That said, maybe its different in smaller cities where cable/DSL isn't available, adn competition hasn't driven down ISP charges as much

Re:Numbers are way off for India (1)

madygoosey (745325) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594388)

Yeah, in madras atleast it can get really low, to even 10 rupees an hour, that's like 25 cents. Where they came up with $1.35 is beyond me.

Re:Numbers are way off for India (2, Funny)

orabidoo (9806) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594457)

It's still like that, I don't know where they came up with their Rs 60+ / hour rate. Maybe some really touristic place.

In south Indian cities you can have fast internet for about 20 Rs an hour, that's less than half a dollar. In smaller cities and towns it's about the same rate, even cheaper, but then the connections are *really slow*.

Re:Numbers are way off for India (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594493)

Rs.60/hour. I think Rs.25-30 is more typical.

How much is 60 rupees in dollars?

Re:Numbers are way off for India (1)

fbform (723771) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594534)

Exchange rate is about 45 rupees per dollar. $1.35 is Rs 60.75, which is much too expensive. Usual rates in urban India vary from Rs 15 to Rs 30 per hour, which is 33 to 66 cents per minute. I'm excluding the special deals that some cafes offer (loyalty programs and stuff).

As the grandparent said, things might be different in rural India. I hear that there are still some villages where people must dial long-distance to connect, so maybe that skews things a bit.

What is their policy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594327)

... on touching yourself while viewing certain materials off the Internet?

I'm sure it's encouraged in Turkey where they have all the "bath houses".

God damn it (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594329)

The fucking ads on Slashdot keep crashing my Firefox 0.9. Is anyone else having this problem? It's really starting to piss me off. It's Slashdot of all places, Firefox is its darling, you'd think they'd work together, but NO.

Re:God damn it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594380)

In the time it took me to attempt to reply to another post under this same topic, Slashdot has crashed my Firefox again.

Re:God damn it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594481)

Nope... no crashy here... sorry dude...

Not accurate (5, Informative)

allanpatrick (793560) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594331)

In Brazil, at least where I live, its hard to find a cybercafe that costs more than $1/hour.

C$6/hour in Montréal (1)

hey (83763) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594334)

This week I went to several Internet cafés in Montréal. They seemed expensive to me. One had a sign that said C$1 / 10 min -- which of course is C$6 an hour. Seemed a bit pricy to me.

But that site says Canada costs US$4.50 / hour. Which is C$5.95 according to XE.com.

Re:C$6/hour in Montréal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594467)

so you're complaining that they're off by 5 cents?

Not adjusted to cost of living? (1)

nayigeta (792068) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594344)

The price of cybercafe hourly rate is only one of the indicator, and this hourly rate alone is definitely not enough to provide a complete picture.

For example, a cybercafe charging $0.50 per hour might be subsidised with other cost. Other considerations like the bandwidth/connection speed has a role too.

Imagine using the internet connection in Starbuck free of charge - because one has paid a hifty amount for a cup of nothing-so-special-expresso.

Anybody use these? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594349)

Not to sound trollish, but does anyone actually go to internet cafes? I'd much rather use the PC in the comfort of my own house, rather than a locked-down public computer.

The NA map is wrong. (1)

Graemee (524726) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594350)

The newfies are part of Canada too.

Who needs em? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594353)

Who needs internet cafes? There are plenty of unsecured wireless access points.

Several questions... (3, Insightful)

GillBates0 (664202) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594361)

What do the Gray areas on the World Map indicate? Most of Europe is gray, and the key does not explain the meaning of this color.

The page linked to from "under $1 a day" does not carry information/statistics about specific countries, but provides only an overview by continent. I'm a little skeptical about the "Percentage of population living below $1.00" - according to the map, only 5 countries: Nicaragua, India, Namibia, Ghana and Kenya qualify as "dark red". I would suspect this is not the case - Pakistan and other fareastern countries for example should be in this range, rather than the green (developed) range.

And again, I'm not sure how useful the "under $1.00 per day" statistic is, because it most certainly does not take into consideration, the standard of living - a loaf of bread costs about $2.00 in the US and 25c in other countries I know.

Just my vulcan $0.02.

Re:Several questions... (1)

tigress (48157) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594466)

What do the Gray areas on the World Map indicate? Most of Europe is gray, and the key does not explain the meaning of this color.

It indicates countries that aren't part of this survey.

Re:Several questions... (1)

adawgnow (793565) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594505)

I was just in Guatemala, and although it depended on the city, the range of Internet costs at cafes was between 40 cents and 1$ US per hour. Many of these cafes were packed with Guatemalan youth and some adults, so its my thinking that the cost is reasonable for many people in the city there.
I had even talked to people who said that the costs in the 90s were too high for anyone to go to the cafes, but now theyre much more reasonable.

I guess Nicaragua might be a different story, but those costs seem high.

One answer. (1)

raehl (609729) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594554)

This is not a study. This is an advertisement for his site.

Rate in India (1)

earthstar (748263) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594387)

some info:
The rate per hour in India , i guess varies from city to city- and even within the same city,differs according to the cafe.some are air -conditined ,have an ambience music etc, they cost close to 1$(US).
Otherwise barebones internet is available for Rs.15 (1USD=Rs.45)- so roughly available for 33 cents.

Some of these prices are misleadingly high (4, Informative)

Ryu2 (89645) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594400)

$2.50/hr for China? Perhaps in hotels and other places that cater to businessmen or "rich" foreigners, but even in Beijing, in college areas, you can get online for 10 yuan (about $1.25)/hour at most. At some second-tier cities, the going rate is about 2 yuan (25 cents). You get exactly the same access -- the only difference is that you might be surrounded by smoking kids playing Counterstrike around you...

The implication is what? (2, Funny)

jj_johny (626460) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594419)

The assumtption is that Cyber Cafes are not accessible to the general public is a problem. That kind of business (Cyber Cafes)is oriented toward those that people who have some money and need to contact the outside world with something other than mail or telephone. So what am I supposed to do with your map anyways plan my next vacation?

And as for the relationship between price and government policy, I would be more interested to see what the relationship is between government policy in new areas like the Internet vs the government policy in general.

In Kazakstan, the capital had a couple of Cafes that went for $1 or 2 / hour. It made life much more bearable there when the only English is the occasional English language video on the TV.

No way Argentina costs U$3!! (2, Informative)

baldusi (139651) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594420)

Whre I live you can get Ar $1.5 per hour. And that's in the main city. Since exchange rate is Ar$3=U$S1 it's like 50 US cents per hour. The only way they could reach that cost is on certain cibercafes on remote tourist zones where they might cost that. I've only seen two and those where on places where only hicking and alpinist tourists go.
The overwhelming amount of population has U$S0.66 an hour internet in this country. So I might take a serious dubt about the veracity of those numbers.

Serving Locals or Tourists...? (4, Informative)

Bubblehead (35003) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594424)

I backpacked in Asia [jastram.de] a few years ago, and it was great to have Internet access at reasonable prices virtually everywhere. But I had an interesting experience in Thailand (not covered by the comparison chart). Rates were around $1/hour. But then I visited the island Samui, where rates were $5. It was clear that (1) the main market were tourists, and (2) due to the small size of the island, a price cartel had formed.

Just looking at the numbers, the article seems to capture non-tourist prices. But it's important not to forget that prices are often not based on real cost, but on the customer's willingness to pay.

troublesome (1)

Pandarsson (555202) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594428)

Sure, it's just one more indication among many, but it bothers me to look at this and see that, for instance, Nigeria, with greater than 26% of its citizens living on $1 or less per day, charges more on average than the US.

I'm not ignorant of the extreme gaps in the lifestyles of the rich and poor in third world countries nor the fact that the rich care so little about their countrymen, but one would think that those very same rich people could afford their own connections, eh?

Re:troublesome (1)

PaSTE (88128) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594544)

Try not to be too quick to judge a country's "rich" population based on an average hourly service charge, especially in developing, 3rd world nations. Internet access is actually a luxury, comparible to something like a university-level education. While a vast majority of the population of developed nations spend most of their time devising ways to spend the abundance of money they have made, and these are the so called middle- or even low-income households I'm talking about, a vast majority of the population of underdeveloped nations spend most of their time devising ways to survive until tomorrow, not so much caring that their 440 shamrocks-per-month wages are worth less than US$1 a day, and that there's something called the "Internet" where people like us debate the economics of internet cafes.

When there are people who will pay for your services, like the middle- and low-income families of the US, et al., then suppliers compete. But when only 5% of your country has both the money and time to care about something like the Internet, it's not so surprising to see outrageous prices for luxury services.

Screw cyber cafes (4, Informative)

Sparr0 (451780) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594452)

I travel on a regular basis and have to work away from my hotel for very long (but sparse) hours. This leaves me much free time where I wish I could get to a net connection. The solution? Public Libraries. Almost every library in the country even remotely close to a decent sized population will have some sort of internet connection available to patrons, for *FREE* 90% of the time.

Internet Cafe's will go the way of the game arcade (1)

t0qer (230538) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594470)

Broadband and computers will get cheaper, and the home experience will rival that of the cafe one.

Internet Cafe's have the same exact problem as the arcades of the 80's and 90's. They will need to think "outside the box" in order to get people to continue to pump money into them. Arcades did it by offering experiences that just could not be brought back into the home, i.e. slick interfaces (DDR) or cockpits that truly immerse the player into the experience.

I've watched 2 Lan Centers (places to play q3a, CS, ect) close down this year. I looked into starting my own lan center once, but the cost of the competition, plus the costs of hardware, leases, insurance, and monthly licensing for the games themselves came out to about a 2k profit per month, hardly more than I make now and definetly not worth the risk.

Lan centers, and internet cafe's need to be more than just a place where one can browse the web, get a cup of joe, and eat a cheese danish. In order to survive, they need to offer an experience that cannot be replicated in the home.

(Shameless plug warning) The karaoke bar I work for is doing it right. We were even featured in the New York Times [nytimes.com] yesterday. This month i'm ordering a few kiosks for the place. It offers more than just web access, what we offer is a social experience that will never be duplicated in the home. I'm not saying internet cafe's should offer video streaming of people singing karaoke, but rather they need too offer their clients a way to communicate and participate with people around the globe in more than a "point and click" fashion.

Responses (4, Interesting)

tcd004 (134130) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594480)

Just a quick response to many of the excellent points made in the comments so far:

1. "Hey, I was in X country and the price was cheaper/more expensive!"
Yes, prices vary dramatically across nearly every country. When we compiled this data we were seeking out numbers that best represented the most common price in a particular country. For instance, in Saudi Arabia, you can pay $15 U.S for access if you want, but you can also find places who offer it for $3. These numbers are in no way meant to accuraly represent every price of every internet cafe in every country.

2. What do the grey areas represent? Aren't there more countries with high poverty levels?
Grey countries were not included in this survey. Data may have existed for them, but this was originally published in print, and we had a limted amount of space. And yes, many, many other countries live on less than $1 per day. We simply picked a representative sampling.

3. Why do people who live on $1 per day need to worry about internet access?

Good question. First of all, don't literally think of "$1 per day" to mean just that. The point of this exercise was to show that Cafe prices don't often serve their local populations, due to the fact that they're too expensive. The $1 figure is simply an effective way to point out countries with large populations of people living in poverty.

Why do poor people need the internet? Well, often the internet is considered to be a great democratizing and equalizing force. The people who most need equalizing are people who live in poverty. If they can't afford to get on the internet, then how is it improving their lives? Maybe through indirect means?

In any case, our goal was simply to inspire people to ask questions like these. We seem to have been successful. Thanks for your comments!

Tcd004

What about Korea (1)

ndavidg (680217) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594482)

I noticed you ommitted Korea. They have rated in the past as the most on-line country per capita.

When I was there I paid anywhere from $3.00 to $6.00 dollars/hour. Some places served beer. One place served tasty homemade grill cheese sandwiches made by a nice, cute korean girl. There was one place in Seoul with very nice lighting, lots of privacy, and tall leather chairs, which really made it worthwhile.

Compile something worthwhile... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594492)

With all that time you spend compiling the map, when do you have time to get a life?

Hi, I've misinterpreted my data into a "story" (2, Insightful)

raehl (609729) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594500)

In related news, a study has shown that the high price of luxary cars puts them out of reach of large populations in developing countries.

Hell, internet cafe rates put internet access (through a cafe anyway) outside the reach of large populations of AMERICANS. Newsflash: Stuff isn't free, and poor people can't buy non-essential stuff.

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Prices rather high for Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594529)

Here in Toronto, Internet cafe's are generally $2-3 CDN/hour, which works out to $1.5-2.25 US/hour.

This is a bit lower than their $4.50 US/hour. I guess it depends where you are in the country.

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It's wrong.. (1)

Pranjal (624521) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594541)

..atleast in the case of India. I'm from India and can confidently say that on an average the hourly rate is $0.50-$0.60(Around Rs 20) without government subsidy.

The current rate of $1.35(Around Rs 60) is wrong. I'm not sure how this data was compiled.

Other factors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9594565)

While in US majority of the cafes are on boradband, same is not true for developing countries. The connection speed is horrible and the price does not necessarily reflect the quality of servcie.
Also some countries ban government/trading/legal sites of other countries. In US its a luxury to "The Whitehouse" online ;>)

There's must be a mistake (1)

etucexe (598278) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594569)

The Philippines' rate is off by a considerable gap. I am from the Philippines and internet cafe's are more widespread than mcDonald's here. the rates would fall under the range of Php30.00 - Php60.00 which is around USD0.54 - USD1.09. Piracy keeps the costs alot lower and even your average gradeschool-finished person can be trained to click a few buttons. There are alot of them here. No pun intended.

How old is this information? (3, Interesting)

beanyk (230597) | more than 10 years ago | (#9594581)

I looked at Ireland's entries on the world-wide map, and most of the prices seem to be quoted in Irish Pounds. Since Ireland's been using the euro exclusively for a year-and-a-half (I lose track, lving away from home), either (a) the info's out of date; (b) the contributers are using the pound symbol instead of the euro. Which is it?
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