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Tiger Slideshow: Pretty Mac OS X Pictures

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the sweet-like-krispy-kreme-donuts dept.

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RAMMS+EIN writes with a good followup to the recent WWDC preview of Tiger, the next version of OS X. "eWeek has a slideshow illustrating some of Tiger's new features with screenshots. For a textual description, you can visit Apple's Tiger page."

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fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603277)

bee ahh chez

Re:fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603287)

i had the chance to go out and have a nice dinner, see a movie, and then get cozy with a pretty lady friend.

i chose to stay home and get fp.

am i slashdot material or what?

(and yes the lady friend was my right hand...)

Tiger says: (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603281)

Theeeere GREAT!

Possum says: (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603311)

I'm in love!

Re:Tiger says: (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603329)

What does that comment have to offer? How is that any different than Pirst Fost!!! mod it down.

Re:Tiger says: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603361)

c'mon, I laughed at it ... lighten up!

YOU FUCKING FAIL IT! (0, Flamebait)

Luke727 (547923) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603425)

FOR FUCK'S SAKE! HOW FUCKING HARD IS IT TO KNOW THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "THERE", "THEIR", and "THEY'RE"?!?! GOD MOTHERFUCKING DAMNIT SON OF A CUNT-LICKING BITCH! I HOPE YOU GET TAKEN CAPTIVE BY UNITY AND JIHAD, YOU AIDS-INFECTED SHITSTAINED GAY NIGGER!

If I were you, I would seriously consider investing in the GNAA's decapitation insurance.

Re:YOU FUCKING FAIL IT! (3, Funny)

The Phantom Buffalo (613874) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603538)

Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.

Re:Tiger says: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603439)

Don't bring the breakfast club into this.

Old CLI Geezer (4, Funny)

7Ghent (115876) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603290)

Bah, screenshots. Why, in MY day all we had was a command line. AND WE WERE GLAD!

Re:Old CLI Geezer (5, Funny)

RadRafe (632260) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603357)

Don't worry Granddad, you won't have to give up your precious CLI. Many of Tiger's new features, such as Core Image and the H.264 codec, mean nothing in the Terminal world, but I have heard of at least one - Spotlight, arguably the biggest feature of them all - which has been made to be accesible from the CLI as well as the GUI. There is a place for you shell-lovin' fogeys in Apple's grand plan!

Re:Old CLI Geezer (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603378)

Well, WE had it tough. We used to have to get up at 4 in the morning, 2 hours before we went to bed, work 28 hour day at card punch, and when we got home, our dad would kill us and dance about on our graves singin' hallelujah.

And you try and tell the young people of today that, and they won't believe you! Not a word.

Old CLI Geezer-Toggle Terror. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603410)

" Bah, screenshots. Why, in MY day all we had was a command line. AND WE WERE GLAD!"

Of course you were glad. Hands got tired of flipping toggle switches.

Re:Old CLI Geezer (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603460)

Bah, CLI. Why, in MY day all we had was clams and sand. Back then our calculations had a lot more tolerance, and we liked it that way.

Re:Old CLI Geezer (5, Funny)

Alien Being (18488) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603521)

"...clams and sand" /bin/clamsh

Oooooooo (1, Funny)

TexasDex (709519) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603291)

Sparkly stuff!!!

title bar (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603294)

anyone else hate the new look of the menu bar?

Re:title bar (1)

hunterx11 (778171) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603300)

At first from the lower res screenshots I thought the whole menu bar would be plastic, but I'm relieved now that I see it won't be. Still I agree it does seem a bit off--but they might fix it just like nobody liked the blue apple in the middle of the menubar.

Re:title bar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603308)

here's to hoping.

I might switch to mac (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603296)

This looks really nice. Heck I never play games anymore so that would be the only thing stopping me from switching. All I do is email, internet, documents and other related items.

I am seriously looking at getting a mac with this new OS.

Get an eMac (1, Informative)

radicalskeptic (644346) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603386)

Why?

  • It's cheap. While 799-999 isn't exactly "cheap" in the PC world, it's the most affordable computer that Apple makes right now. If you don't like it, you can sell it and not take as much as a hit as if you had, say, bought a PowerMac G5.
  • It's all you'll need. You just said that all you do is email, internet, documents, etc. You don't need more than 1.25 GHz for that.
  • It's a good deal at the moment. It has the same processor speed as an eMac, for much less money.


If you do decide to get a Mac, make sure to pump it full of RAM. I'd say 512 MB is a good amount, but nothing less, certainly not the stock 256 stick.

Re:Get an eMac (1)

radicalskeptic (644346) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603414)

. It's a good deal at the moment. It has the same processor speed as an eMac, for much less money.
I mean iMac.

Re:Get an eMac (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603438)

> It's all you'll need. You just said that all you do is email, internet, documents, etc. You don't need more than 1.25 GHz for that.
[...]
> If you do decide to get a Mac, make sure to pump it full of RAM. I'd say 512 MB is a good amount, but nothing less, certainly not the stock 256 stick.

Why would you spend $800 an a 1.25 Ghz (!) machine and even more for 512 MB ram (!!) to do email, internet, documents, etc.? If the "etc" is not too heavy, any second-hand $200 PC or $300 laptop is enough.

Re:I might switch to mac (5, Interesting)

Echnin (607099) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603487)

I was thinking the same thing last year: I hardly play games, and those Macs sure do look nice (my parents have used Macs for 17 years, all my life, with no sidesteps). So I got an iBook. Haven't looked back since.

Tiger is due out in the first half of 2005, so there's still quite a while to wait. Oh, and make sure you watch the recording of Steve Jobs' keynote [apple.com] if you have an hour and 40 minutes to spare. It's nice, and watching the new features being demonstrated is much better than just reading about them.

Re:I might switch to mac (5, Insightful)

mdarksbane (587589) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603534)

For the last time:

There are more games available for mac than you can ever play in one lifetime.

Yes, you can't build an awesome gaming rig for a cheap, and there are some games that will never make it over. Likewise, you will never be able to play Halo on PS2.

However, thousands of games are ported/written for mac every year, and while the video cards in most macs aren't anything to brag about compared to PC, they'll still play every game that comes out for them.

No, not breakout, or even super-breakout. I'm talking Halo, Unreal Tournament 2k4, Battlefield 1942, Age of Empires II, Dungeon Siege, etc, etc, etc. No, you can't play Counterstrike, but there's a lot more to gaming than CS.

Gah. Yes, buying a mac to do nothing but play games is stupid. However, "I like to play games" is *not* a good reason to not get a mac if the rest of your computing experience is at least as important.

uh yeah.. (0, Troll)

chamblah (774997) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603299)

Looks like every other OS X that has come out this year.

They said that Linux users are spoiled? (-1, Troll)

Orion Blastar (457579) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603303)

Look at all the stuff they cram into OSX. Who really needs all of that stuff anyway? If I used OSX I'd want a minimual install option to just install what I wanted. What next, Dancing Screen Otters while you wait for the massive programs to load?

Apple, do me a favor, put your geegaw GUI on top of Darwin, that is all I ever wanted. That is all I ever need. Everything else I'll install will be OSS products. Then maybe I will switch to your platform. If not, your OS is too bloated for me to use, and I am going to stick to Linux anyway.

Watch the MacJihad moderate this post to troll status, thus proving that they do indeed exist.

Re:They said that Linux users are spoiled? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603330)

Yeah you can have your Jugo, that's all you need ....

Re:They said that Linux users are spoiled? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603338)

Hi

I moderated you down because I hate Linux

Enjoy

Re:They said that Linux users are spoiled? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603444)

"I moderated you down because I hate Linux"

It's really quite funny that the blatant flamewars are just starting to come out right in the open. It's good for a laugh.

blatant flamewars (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603467)

are the main reason I come to /. (that and getting my daily fix of adolescent bravado!). Slashdot is and always has been a comedy website.

Re:They said that Linux users are spoiled? (2, Interesting)

PygmySurfer (442860) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603365)

It's pretty easy to remove applications you don't want. Don't like iPhoto? Drag is from the Applications folder to the Trash.

Also, it's not like we don't have oodles of disk space now. Just don't open the apps you don't intend to use.

Why should I do that (-1, Troll)

Orion Blastar (457579) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603382)

for all the Apps that I don't want to use? Isn't using OSX all about it being easier? The easiest thing would be to have an option not to install the stuff I don't want. Why should I have to drag and drop hundreds of icons to the trash can? Think of the time I have to waste to do that.

Re:Why should I do that (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603441)

The easiest thing would be to have an option not to install the stuff I don't want. Why should I have to drag and drop hundreds of icons to the trash can? Think of the time I have to waste to do that.

Well then USE the option not to install the stuff you don't want when you install OSX. That's what it's there for.

Re:They said that Linux users are spoiled? (1)

ln -sf head ass (585724) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603388)

Not trolling--a real question. If you decide to whack iPhoto, then change your mind, do you have to do a complete reinstall to get it back, or can you just copy it from your install CD?

Re:They said that Linux users are spoiled? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603459)

Not trolling--a real question. If you decide to whack iPhoto, then change your mind, do you have to do a complete reinstall to get it back, or can you just copy it from your install CD?

The install CD contains packages much like .deb or .rpms (ok it's a vague resemblance, but it's the closest thing for a quick explanation). Doubleclick the package, and that package installs.

They're not quite as discrete as linux packages though - many sets of utils are grouped together - but there's still a good few dozen of them in total that you can pick through.

If you really need to just install one app, you can use a utility such as Pacifist, which will pull any package into its subpackages, and you can install those.

kindly mod informative! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603477)

Thanks for the info. Very interesting. :)

Re:They said that Linux users are spoiled? (1)

ln -sf head ass (585724) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603480)

Thanks! So some of the apps are bundled, and it seems like Pacifist functions (sort of) like 98Lite did for Windows.

Re:They said that Linux users are spoiled? (1)

grepistan (758811) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603526)

From what the parent said, I think Pacifist is more like an extraction utility to isolate and use parts of a package... think of Microsoft's CAB file format. Please, Mac people, correct me if I'm wrong (which is very probable!)

Also, try the Pacifist site [charlessoft.com] for more info.

Re:They said that Linux users are spoiled? (5, Insightful)

bsartist (550317) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603416)

If I used OSX I'd want a minimual install option

If you used OS X, you'd know that such an option already exists. Just click on the "advanced install" button and deselect the packages you don't want. Couldn't be simpler.

CALLING ALL APPLE FAGGOTS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603305)

Get out the lube, it's time to see the pix.

oxymoron: apple faggot

Re:CALLING ALL APPLE FAGGOTS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603360)

Another reason they need to get out the lube because they're about to get it in the ass for another $139 to get the latest Mac OSX service pack^W^W upgrade.

Re:CALLING ALL APPLE FAGGOTS (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603500)

My computer got 25% faster between 10.2 and 10.3. That's a service pack?

Windows 2000 = WinNT 5.0
Windows XP = WinNT 5.1

Is that a service pack too?

Yeah, I know, don't feed the trolls...

Re:CALLING ALL APPLE FAGGOTS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603458)

Redundant. The word is redundant.

I think mac users are spoiled. (3, Insightful)

JPriest (547211) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603307)

People that own PC's don't like to buy software, so most PC software people use is either cracked shareware or adware.

People that use Linux don't like to pay for software or deal with adware and shareware, so they have free second rate versions instead.

People on Macs actually pay for software, so Mac software (of you can afford to keep up) outclasses that of of the competition.

Apple also makes more software than Microsoft, and OSX comes with more free high quality tools. All that power in an OS and it still comes with a real comand shell. For the small market share Apple has, they seem to be doing a fine job of producing quality software.

Re:I think mac users are spoiled. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603345)

Puhlease. More like the Mac is such a small market, that there isn't enough commercial interest to have all that much out there to copyright infringe. And Mac users are so worried that if there's much piracy, the few vendors that port to or develop for the Mac will stop, that they don't share. Some of this is changing with OS X, in that free software has become available and the platform is starting to become attractive enough to attract PC users, who aren't so hung up on copyright infringement.

Re:I think mac users are spoiled. (2, Insightful)

FlipmodePlaya (719010) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603351)

I won't touch that second rate comment, I'm sure a hundred zealots will have defiled you by the time I finish this post.

I think you're wrong about Windows users (who I believe you were referring to) not buying software. They must, looking at the sales figures of popular programs like Photoshop and MS Office, as well as games. For ever script kiddie playing a hacked copy of UT2K4, or whatever, how many do you think bought the real thing?

Re:I think mac users are spoiled. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603379)

What percentage of photoshop users do you think paid for it? I have met probably 40 that didn't and 0 that did. Not saying nobody buys it, obviously somone has to or it would not exist, but most people don't. Games on the PC are a different animal, the rate of piracy is much lower.

It's all pretty common, I think... (2, Interesting)

grepistan (758811) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603456)

>Games on the PC are a different animal, the rate of piracy is much lower.

I'm not sure about that one. I know a *lot* of people who regularly and methodically pirate all their games for their friends

I think software piracy across all fields is pretty rampant, to be honest. Although, I have never been spammed with ads for 'cheap' games like I do for applications (you know the ones, "Legitimate Software!" $50 for anything), and the markup for real pirates is probably much higher on apps, so you do certainly have a point.

Re:I think mac users are spoiled. (0)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603442)

0.01

Re:I think mac users are spoiled. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603368)

People that use Linux don't like to pay for software or deal with adware and shareware, so they have free second rate versions instead.

-1, Troll

Re:I think mac users are spoiled. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603411)

I am the original poster, my main desktop is a Linux only system.

Re:I think mac users are spoiled. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603432)

I am the original poster, my main desktop is a BeOS only system.

Re:I think mac users are spoiled. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603504)

I am the original poster, my main desktop is a SkyOS only system.

Re:I think mac users are spoiled. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603520)

I am the original poster, my main desktop is a Fiwix only system.

Second rate? (-1, Flamebait)

Orion Blastar (457579) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603369)

Ironic that a lot of the software bundled on OSX are based on the same OSS projects that are used under Linux, is it not? All Apple did was tweak some OSS projects to work with the OSX GUI and API and change the name. I don't really see much of a difference between Linux OSS and OSX OSS projects other than the GUI enhancements. Eye Candy can only account for so much.

Next I'll suppose you will tell me that BSD Unix is second rate? Ignore the fact that OSX is based on it. Apparently whatever Apple touches turns gold. So a second rate OSS project becomes gold because Apple modified it? Or does it turn gold because you, like the rest of the MacJihad, decide to use it instead of Windows or Linux applications? If it is gold, as you have said, then the marketshare of an obviously superior product must increase. Why if that were true, Apple shoud have at least half of the marketshare out there. Yet Mac Users still run those PC Emulator programs to run those cracked shareware or adware Windows applications, why is that? If the OSX platform is so superior, there would be no need to run inferior software on it via emulators, right? Thus the emulator companies should go out of business?;)

The MacJihad will mod this one down to a troll status as well. Why? Because I've offended their God.

Re:I think mac users are spoiled. (2, Interesting)

Pluribus (690506) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603391)

Actually, According to this /. article, they are more willing to pay for games than windows users.

Linux Users More Likely to Pay for Games? [slashdot.org]

Some people dont like "A Tale in the Desert" and some people are rabid about it. Personally, I like it. While I look for free or low cost software to do what I need, I will gladly pay for quality software if it suits my needs.

Having worked on both, I prefer Linux, however, OSX is VERY nice. I have found its software quality to be consistantly higher than the normal tripe out of Redmond.

Re:I think mac users are spoiled. (5, Interesting)

MBCook (132727) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603466)

This is something that I've been thinking about recently. After having to rebuild my PC after a hard drive crash, I realized how little software I actually use on any regular basis. Windows and Office (which I got "free" with my computer) are the only pieces of pay software that I use on any regular basis. I use VMWare some (which I own) and I have AV software and such, but those are all utilities that I don't really USE, they are just THERE. And in many cases (like DiskKeeper) they are only there to fix inadaquices in Windows (sorry, I can't spell ;).

Other than that, I use IE, and WinZip, and Acrobat Reader, etc. Past that, I use OSS for most of my needs. This includes the Gimp, Cygwin, and such.

Other than the odd games, there is only one piece of software I remember really WANTING in the last few years. Only one that I was excited about.

OS X

In the past few years, I haven't come across any piece of software that I have wanted so much that I couldn't get free. I wanted to program? GCC was great. A good shell on Windows? I've got Cygwin. Etc, etc, etc. OS X just looked so great. Then my brother got a PowerBook, and I've gotten to use OS X once or twice. I want it even MORE now. I already resolved a year or two ago that my next computer would be a Mac so I could get OS X. There are other reasons, but they all pale in comparison to my want for OS X.

I don't mind paying for software when it's worth it. But so often, it's not worth the asking price. That's why I rent 95% of the videogames that I play. They just aren't worth the $60. Only when I KNOW that I really want the game, that it will be good, will I buy it. The titles that describes more than any other are Nintendo titles. Almost everything else I rent first (if I ever buy it at all). I don't mind paying for software at all, it's only fair that the people who make great stuff get money so they continue to do it.

The problem is that so little these days seems worth the money people want. The ones I hate the most are things like AV software. Stuff I shouldn't need, but I'm basically forced to buy.

I want OS X. It's worth it. It's head-and-shoulders above everything else out there.

I'll pay for software, but it's got to be worth it to me. OS X is so worth it, I'll switch platforms to get it. Now that's good software.

Re:I think mac users are spoiled. (1)

VividU (175339) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603501)

Apple also makes more software than Microsoft

Score:5, Insightful

Re:I think mac users are spoiled. (2, Interesting)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603506)

People that own PC's don't like to buy software, so most PC software people use is either cracked shareware or adware.
If you mean most /. users that own PCs, then you're probably right. However, Joe User will buy software. He will buy overpriced software, just because it's what Office Depot carries.

People on Macs actually pay for software, so Mac software (of you can afford to keep up) outclasses that of of the competition.
As I don't use a Mac, I can't comment about it outclassing competition (sounds like macwhore zealotry to me) but Mac software definately looks prettier than the competition.

Apple also makes more software than Microsoft, and OSX comes with more free high quality tools.
Microsoft makes a crapload of software. I really doubt Apple makes more than them. Maybe better quality, but not more. I like the goodies OSX comes with though. Free IDE == shweet, I wish MS did that.

New Feature: Spotlight (5, Interesting)

OneNonly (55197) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603316)

I'd been thinking about this for years - having a "SQL" like file system - and now Mac are in bringing it to the masses! Well, close anyway.. Spotlight uses metadata from all the files on your system to help you easily locate (search) for what you are after, no matter what type of info it is (contact, or PDF, or text file..)

You can seem from some of the pics on the page shown just how easy it will be to use spotlight. . At the top of every finder window - type the "keywords" and you're there.. Being able to store your "searches" will make this *really* powerful..

Once Tiger comes out I'm seriously considering moving to a Mac platform.. . I never thought I'd see the day... :'(

Re:New Feature: Spotlight (1)

colganc (581174) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603433)

this is nothing new; beos had this

Re:New Feature: Spotlight (3, Insightful)

OneNonly (55197) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603503)

I didn't say it was new.. I said it was being brought to the masses :) This is a Good Thing!! And I'd assume (not having used BeOS) that it does it differently (allowing all types of files to be browsed interactively through a real time search..)

The obvious advantage is that it takes less time to find what you're after - but when hundreds of thousands of users start using this on their desktop, what will be next.. ? Perhaps a move away from straight hyperlinked navigation on the web - perhaps real time searching (as opposed to search engine type searching) for moving around websites may be possible.. ? I would *love* this.. So often I have to drill down through 10 levels of a website to find what I'm after, when a simple Go To: "geforce4 driver linux" or "contact address map" would give me want I wanted straight away...

More exposure to this sort of facility through something like OS X will only spur on development in other areas.. Bring it on :D

Private Browsing looks cool... (5, Insightful)

The Lord of Chaos (231000) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603319)

Looks like you can turn on and off a private browsing feature.

Sure beats creating a second firefox profile and clearing all your privacy info just to go surfing for pr0n...

Pr0n surfing feature... (5, Funny)

netsrek (76063) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603322)

heh. Apple know pr0n is what everyone really uses the internet for... Private Surfing Mode [eweek.com]

Re:Pr0n surfing feature... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603450)

That is, without question, the best feature ever.

automate pr0n (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603475)

Private surfing mode is not the only is the great pr0n surfing feature in Tiger. During the keynote, to introduce devs to Automator [apple.com] , the presenter built a script to "download all the pictures over a certain size" from a webpage.

Heh

Re:Pr0n surfing feature... (1)

crayz (1056) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603507)

In all seriousness - this is an excellent feature. I hope Mozilla soon includes it as well.

I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... (2, Interesting)

Thaidog (235587) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603327)

It's true to say that OS X has gottten a lot faster since it first came out... But it's still not as snappy as XP. I own Macs and PCs and you notice the difference the second you jump off your mac after working on it for a while and get on your XP box...


The Mac is now workable for any type of task... it's *that* fast... but it's still not where XP is.

Re:I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... (2, Interesting)

moberry (756963) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603446)

I heard something a while back that adresses the drawing issues between linux, mac, and windows. And looking at the way it is done you can see that in windows items are drawn before processsing, but in mac, and linux more processing is done before any GUI is drawn.

Re:I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603490)

Huh? Windows draws before it works out what to draw? How does that work? I'm sure you have a point to make, but you could do with stating it a bit more clearly.

Re:I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... (5, Interesting)

joel8x (324102) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603529)

Totally true - I remember getting support calls from users wanting me to "tune up" their systems and if the user was a PITA, I would just change the registry settings for menus to be as fast as possible so that when they clicked on the start menu it would immediately pop up and they would always be impressed.

The appearance of a faster interface is just that - an appearance. Thats why when you boot XP the desktop will load really fast, but the HDD keeps spinning for a good while after. Same thing with Outlook - it will load the application window way before it finishes connecting to the server(s).

Re:I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... (2, Insightful)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603479)

OSX is way snappier than XP. I have a 3GHz and doing something as trivial as opening a folder in treeview in windows explorer can often have me drumming my fingers for seconds. That very rarely happens on my Mac and that's only running at 800Mhz.

Yes, OSX used to be slow, but that's not an issue I've had with Panther.

Re:I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... (3, Insightful)

crayz (1056) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603536)

XP is snappier in some ways, but it's also easier to totally grind it to a halt. OS X almost never gets to the point of a frozen UI

Re:I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... (2, Informative)

jomas1 (696853) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603495)

" It's true to say that OS X has gottten a lot faster since it first came out... But it's still not as snappy as XP. I own Macs and PCs and you notice the difference the second you jump off your mac after working on it for a while and get on your XP box...
The Mac is now workable for any type of task... it's *that* fast... but it's still not where XP is."

I also use XP and OS X on a daily basis and don't find XP to be snappier at all. My XP box is a 2.8 Ghz Dell with 512 MB of RAM while my Mac is an 800 Mhz ibook with 640 MB of RAM.
If I turn Zone Alarm off, the two computers perform almost identically even though the Dell comp has the Mhz advantage. (I will not run an XP box without spybot and zonealarm. It's always amazing to see what windows apps phone home when you are using them.)

Poll: Practicing What You Preach (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603328)

OK, of the many people that always post saying something about how you only need a command line, or how web sites are all bloated and should only have text:

how many of you looked at the screenshot page, and how many clicked only on the "textual description"?

Re:Poll: Practicing What You Preach (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603392)

I didn't do either... I just came here to watch the flamewars, actually.

The real juicy stuff isn't in the screenshots (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603331)

Like 64bit support, and the return of metadata. While Tiger is sure to boast some nice GUI improvements, such as Dashboard, some of its greatest strengths are not visible in pictures.

Jaguar seemed pretty polished to me, and Panther is simply the bomb. Tiger, I think, is going to be utterly and undeniably HOT. And consider this: It's not coming out for probably almost another year, and MANY more goodies will likely be unveiled in that time.

Who said Apple was really just a hardware company? I don't think so -- they are a computer company, and that means hardware and software, at least as far as they're concerned. And the synergy is simply amazing.

Most important "new feature" (5, Interesting)

radicalskeptic (644346) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603339)

Those are all great, but to me, I want to know if Tiger has another "new feature": Does it make my computer feel faster?

Pretty much every previous release of MacOS X has brought speed improvements, and I want to know if Tiger will continue that tradition. Not all of us can afford G5s at the moment, and a speed increase would really make it shelling out another 80 bucks or so (.edu discount) worth it.

new features (5, Insightful)

dncsky1530 (711564) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603343)

The most interesting thing is that this is the third Mac OS X release to include more than 150 new features.

Apple is already anticipating Microsoft will copy them, just check out the Shirts [ebay.com] from WWDC!

Also notice how little features each windows released comes with, even though they are released every 3 years. Well according to MS 'longhorn' will be more stable, of course only if you have 2 gigs of RAM.

Re:new features (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603375)

Well according to MS 'longhorn' will be more stable, of course only if you have 2 gigs of RAM.

You mean 4 Gigs of (1.25Ghz) DDRam and Dual 5Ghz processors. And that's the minimum spec! Now if you want to play Doom3 ...

Shirt Size (1)

Kenshin (43036) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603483)

Am I the only one who finds interesting subtext in the fact that the shirts Apple gave out only came in Large?

Re:Shirt Size (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603512)

You probably are.

When's the last time you got a promotional shirt that wasn't large? Save for one instance, every shirt I've ever received for free has been large. No boxes to check, no questions asked, just "here's your t-shirt," which is inevitably large.

Why? A large will fit most men well, smaller people some semblance of acceptably, and barely cut it for larger people.

And a gorgeous 30in screen to put it on... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603350)

BSD Apple style is taking over, Linux eat your heart out!

Very nice screenshots. (2)

JohnFromCanada (789692) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603352)

I haven't used a Mac much but some of the new features that they have been announcing are really interesting. I'm glad to see them continuing to be innovative. I really like the look of Dashboard as I am a big fan of gdesklets [gnomedesktop.org] and from what I can see it looks very similar. I prefer Linux on my desktop but because of Apples great integration with Java and all these new features the next laptop I buy is definitely shaping up to be a Powerbook.

Very nice screenshots.-Borrowed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603397)

The search engine is based on OSS.

Lasko systems has had a Flash Dashboard for awhile.

I think (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603366)

I think theeeere GREAT!!!

-tony

Dashboard versus virtual desktops (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603377)

How is Dashboard better than dedicating one virtual desktop to these "applets"? Just leave an xcalc/bc, evolution, gkrellm, xmms and whatever other junk you like open on one virtual desktop, and you can switch with a hotkey.
Why make distinction between applications and "applets"? In the pre-multifinder days they had little choice, DA's were basically the only wat to multitask on a Mac. What use are DA's in 2005?

Re:Dashboard versus virtual desktops (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603436)

"What use are DA's in 2005?"

Their sole use is to provide a nifty animation when the widgets are zoomed onto the screen and then whisked away off the screen.

OldER-than-CLI Geezer (4, Funny)

nusratt (751548) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603395)

Bah, CLI?! Why, in MY day all we had were punch-cards. AND WE WERE GLAD to be rid of patch-boards and blinkenlights!

Bah! (0, Flamebait)

ArbitraryConstant (763964) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603409)

Wake me up when the iMac G5s get here.

Re:Bah! (2, Informative)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603516)

September. Aluminium look.

what is MSFT charged for service packs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603429)

seems to me apple is putting out quite a few new upgrades. yeah for progress!!, but why not include these for free? what if MSFT charged for service packs, what would we think? it seems these are little more than service packs? and whats up with the 100 mb downloads for OS X updates? i like apple, but they are making me mad these days.

Spam? (3, Funny)

pyrrhonist (701154) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603476)

Is eweek advocating spam with this [eweek.com] picture?

Seriously the pipeline goes Address Book --> Mail Merge --> Group Mailer.

WTF?

But boy... (0, Flamebait)

Marthisdil (606679) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603484)

Mac OS X Tiger offers a new search technology called Spotlight, which enables on-the-fly, system-wide searches of files, folders, e-mail messages, contacts and other documents. Users will have constant access to the tool, now permanently attached to the corner of the menubar.

Now, if MS were to offer something similar, you whackos would be screaming for anti-trust violations...

Any cosmetic changes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603486)

Interestingly, there do not appear to be many changes to the cosmetics of the GUI. There's some title bar weirdness [eweek.com] in a couple windows, and the menu bar seems to be grey [eweek.com] or shiny [eweek.com] depending on the picture. But the other plain windows, the metal windows, and the alerts look unchanged.

Now I know that this is an early beta, earlier than Panther was when it was previewed last year. Everything could change before Tiger's gold release. But could it be that the folks at Apple consider Aqua's style to be more or less finished?

The new hardware is sexy too (5, Informative)

Twid (67847) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603488)

Tiger looked really neat, especially the search/metadata functions, but the most amazing display at WWDC was this:

Two 30" 2560x1900 widescreen displays being driven by a new custom Nvidia 6800 Ultra [thinksecret.com]

It looked practical too, there was a demo with Final Cut Pro running with several tools up on the right, and the HD video up on the left. Seemed like a pretty useful setup.

I checked, and a "nicely equipped" dual monitor dual g5 came up to just under $12,000 on the apple store. Seems like a lot to most of us, but that's chump change for a high-quality HD video editing kit.

Also, I got about 50fps on Unreal Tournament 2004 running at 2560x1900 with all settings at maximum. :)

Private browsing! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603497)

That doesn't have pr0n surfing written all over it or anything. Apple is looking out for it's users, yeseree bob. They figger if the husband gets caught, then the wife will get a divorce, and then the hubby can afford no more Apple. Good thinking.

Re:Private browsing! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9603543)

Um, yeah. Like Apple using men are married to women. That post would make more sense if you said "domestic partner" in place of husband/wife.

WWDC version apparently leaked. (2, Interesting)

acceleriter (231439) | more than 10 years ago | (#9603499)

This is probably a fake, and it would be illegal and unethical to download (and for me as a PC user, quite impractical) it

ed2k://|file|WWDC-MacOS_10.4_Tiger_BETA-DVD.dmg|17 55661594|C8F595F390FE56A073D57D6D84CF21F1|/

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