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Moore Approves Fahrenheit 9/11 Downloads

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the opening-a-can-of-worms dept.

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13.7BillionYears writes "The Sunday Herald reports that Michael Moore has expressed his approval of Fahrenheit 9/11 being downloaded through networks like BitTorrent and eDonkey2000. He also champions a very Lessig-esque outlook in his reasoning. Quentin Tarantino's earlier support for such practices is also mentioned. Meanwhile, Lion's Gate says it has no plans to oppose the practice."

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1st post (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605758)

1st post

Not surprising... (5, Insightful)

zeux (129034) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605759)

I saw this documentary yesterday and I was both shocked and impressed. I even cried a lot.

It's the only way to do that in the US. A documentary must be very shocking for people to care about. This doesn't work like that in Europ.

This decision from Michael Moore is not surprising as he has always said that his goal is to touch as many people as possible. I think he simply doesn't care about the money.

Besides that, I think the documentary raises some points while I think Michael Moore goes too far in some others. But this movie definitely deserves its Golden Palm.

Please, go there, watch it. Give it a chance.

Oh and I'm French and I'm living in the US so I'm ready to be modded down and insulted.

Torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605769)

So where is the .torrent file?

Re:Not surprising... (3, Funny)

eddy (18759) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605778)

Please, go there, watch it. Give it a chance.

I'll download it as soon as there's something better than a CAM out there :-)

Re:Not surprising... (5, Informative)

fenix down (206580) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605817)

There's DVD copy from the Cannes judges. Suprnova.org should have like a 2 gig ludicrously high-quality version for torrent.

Re:Not surprising... (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605840)

It's [66.90.75.92] marked as "Cam" on suprnova even though the description says "Screener on DVD". Since it's not on vcdquality, I'm not going to 'risk it'. mis-labeled downloads are all too common. I'll wait for a proper release.

CAM quality, or higher -- depends on the intent? (4, Interesting)

GGardner (97375) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605822)

I'll download it as soon as there's something better than a CAM out there :-)

While this was intended to be funny, there is some seriousness here. If I were Moore, and my goal was widest possible distribution, not most money made, putting it up for P2P download is a great idea. However, having gone to the trouble to shoot and edit the movie with high enough quality for movie projection, I'd want the highest possible quality to be downloadable. So, if he were really interested, he'd upload a copy from the original sources.

Or, maybe Moore sees P2P as an advertising medium to drive sales of movie tickets? In which case, you'd probably want a low-quality CAM capture to be floating around the net.

Re:CAM quality, or higher -- depends on the intent (4, Informative)

Handpaper (566373) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605898)

I've got the CAM-POT copy from suprnova, and there is only one scene where the rip quality detracts from the experience of the film [1]. This is because the majority of the film is made up of clips of news broadcasts (some captured post-transmission).

[1] An interview with an Iraqi woman where the subtitles are off the bottom of the screen.

Re:CAM quality, or higher -- depends on the intent (1)

Handpaper (566373) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605927)

PS - I support Moore by buying his books. I live in the UK and there is no legal way for me to have seen this film yet

Re:Not surprising... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605807)

It's not just that he's shocking. He's often overzealous and downright wrong. He's right a lot too, but he's marginalizing himself more and more.

Oh, and nobody cares where you're from unless you're also ethnocentric.

Re:Not surprising... (2, Insightful)

caitsith01 (606117) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605853)

he's marginalizing himself more and more.

Is that why F9-11 was the number 1 movie in the US for the past week?

Oh, and nobody cares where you're from unless you're also ethnocentric.

Au contraire, mon ami, the poster was no doubt referring to the fact that there is sustained, mindless France-bashing from many Americans that even extends to quite a number of discussions here on slashdot. I have time and time again seen people refer to how the US 'saved' the 'cowardly frogs' in both world wars and attempting to contrast recent opposition in Europe to the Iraq war with the American intervention in the Second World War. This is so staggeringly disrespectful to the many, many French who died in those wars that it doesn't even deserve to be debated; however, the poster is quite right to imply that the word 'French' is an absolute magnet for idiot posters and moderators on ./ .

Re:Not surprising... (-1, Flamebait)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605941)

You fail to note that all the French who died were shot in the back.

Re:Not surprising... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605838)

Dude, this is slashdot,... extreme left positions are always welcome here. Just look at michael and cmdr_taco.

By virtue of the fact that they keep headlining this michael moore stuff, you should know, that your french lovin, anti-american opinions will be highly regarded.

Re:Not surprising... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605844)

Re:Not surprising... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605900)

1,3, and 4 above I believe are all basically the same. Cam-capture in 2 folders that are ready to be ripped onto CDRs for viewing in most any DVD player.

2 is the same cam except ready to be ripped onto a DVD.

5 is the trailer only.

Re:Not surprising... (4, Interesting)

presarioD (771260) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605856)

The most interesting thing of all is how people have a hard time watching their beliefs capsize and collapse in front of their eyes.
In the process to defend them they contradict themselves so badly!
An example was an article in a local newspaper on how Michael Moore is just another capitalist and while people watch his documentary he is making a fortune and blah blah blah...

Since when capitalism became such a bad thing?
Fox news, ABC, CNN etc etc etc are charitable institutions?
Why is it so hard to accept Michael Moore's news while "Live on CNN" is welcomed with a gaping mouth?

I guess I know now! Interesting, very interesting!

It's not a documentary (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605911)

Documentary is not the appropriate word for this movie. "Op-Ed", and Moore himself calls it is OK, as would be "fiction," "fantasy," or "docudrama." But not documentary.

Re:Not surprising... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605919)

I saw this documentary yesterday . . .

It's only a documentary if it's factual. It is trivially shown that Moore manipulates facts [moorelies.com] , fabricates figures and rewrites history to communicate his opinion in his movies [hardylaw.net] . That means that either Moore's films are fiction or he's lying . . . or he's just plain stupid.

It's okay to have an opinion. It's okay to share your opinion with other people. It's not okay to fabricate things and pretend they're the truth - that's called a lie.

Non, merci (-1, Flamebait)

Loundry (4143) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605926)

I saw this documentary yesterday and I was both shocked and impressed. I even cried a lot.

Moore is good at what he does: propagandize. A thorough, well-researched, well-written essay on the topic would probably be more informative than a movie, but it would also be a lot more boring. Moore can "reach" a lot more (stupid) people with a movie that has lots of "scary" and "touching" scenes.

This decision from Michael Moore is not surprising as he has always said that his goal is to touch as many people as possible. I think he simply doesn't care about the money.

I think he does care about money, as his not-quite-middle-class lifestyle would suggest. In this case, more people being swayed to his cause is worth more to him in the long run than some quick cash. He has his priorities in order.

Besides that, I think the documentary raises some points while I think Michael Moore goes too far in some others. But this movie definitely deserves its Golden Palm.

Answer me this: if I make a movie that has loads and loads of fabricated bullshit, but I make a lot of people cry with it, does it deserve a Golden Palm? Is being "moving" and "passionate" more important than being factual and reasonable? It sounds like you think the answer ot that question is yes, though I imagine that you would qualify it with a statement like, "...yes, but only if the said movie advances the superstitious beliefs that I adhere to!"

Please, go there, watch it. Give it a chance.

No, thank you. The movie is based on presuppositions that I reject. You can't get a true conclusion from a false premise, so why should I waste my time seeing this pile o' poo? To see some "moving" scenes? There are plenty of movies that provide that without having to endure stupid, Leftist progaganda.

Oh and I'm French and I'm living in the US so I'm ready to be modded down and insulted.

J'adore la culture, la langue, et la cuisine francais. Mais je deteste la "leftisme," si c'est francais ou americian. Une culture riche n'excuse pas la stupidite, et la socialisme est stupide.

Not a documentary (-1, Troll)

Hao Wu (652581) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605931)

Calling it a documentary doesn't make it one. Not if you say it a thousand times or more.

Makes sense. (4, Insightful)

Eru-sama (698753) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605760)

The whole point of the movie is get a message out, why wouldn't he want it to reach the greatest possible audience?

Re:Makes sense. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605821)

Furthermore, with movie theatres in some places refusing to show the movie, and the ever present peer pressure, it can be hard if not impossible to go out and see it in a theatre.

Re:Makes sense. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605861)

even if he wants do disseminate his movie for free, it still is a crime and people should not download the movie.
gia.robinson@stanford.edu

Serious? (-1, Flamebait)

ONOIML8 (23262) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605920)

What message? You don't actually take that seriously do you? I thought the only one who was taking it seriously was Moore himself. Even the president and the GOP aren't taking it seriously.

Everyone I know saw it as a poorly done work that would have gone nowhere except for the hype.

because he's got control of his movie? (3, Insightful)

Mr.Coffee (168480) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605763)

personally, i would like to see more artists doing this with their works, kind of beats the companies to the punch.

Post your Torrent Links, folks! (2, Interesting)

DragonMagic (170846) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605765)

Post your torrent links here, folks!

Nothing says "I'm trading this" like a /. torrent cluster.

Re:Post your Torrent Links, folks! (1)

PepsiProgrammer (545828) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605787)

I saw the widely distributed cam a few days ago (I live deep in bible belt NC, and no theater less than 3 hours away was showing the movie). Now, one of the theaters here has finally decided to show the movie, and im going to see it later today so I can see it in decent quality, cropping and sound.

Thank you for not treating me like a criminal.

Re:Post your Torrent Links, folks! (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605788)

http://66.90.75.92/suprnova//torrents/2046/Fahrenh eit.911.CAM-POT(2).torrent

Re:Post your Torrent Links, folks! (1)

rkuris (541364) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605832)

Another one [hubproject.org]

Re:Post your Torrent Links, folks! (1)

mkro (644055) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605916)

I haven't seen it myself, but a few who have seen it both on the big screen and the currently circulating cam versions says the POT version lacks "the whole part about the PATRIOT act". Maybe the guy with the camera ran out of batteries halfway through :)

POT CAM incomplete. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605918)

Maybe we should add that the POT CAM is missing a significant portion of the movie (beginning of CD2).

corepirate nazi felon execrable doomed? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605770)

the truth shall set US free?

not if the fauxking nazis have anything left to say about it?

tell 'em robbIE?

F911 (5, Interesting)

mfh (56) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605771)

This truly is a first. I am quite pleased by Moore's decision to broaden his audience by allowing free downloads of the film.

I think this would be a great place to link all your Fahrenheit 9/11 torrents!

I already saw Fahrenheit 9/11 in theatre, and it was truly amazing. I don't care if some of it was not factual, because the bulk of it is just too damn funny to worry about trivial he-said, she-said crap. Think for yourself, but also see the movie... it's amazing, imho. Quite a catalyst for provocative thought and discussion. It's not just funny, it's moving and sad, terrifying at times. The funniest parts are when they look at bush in his candid moments, when his true hick nature seeps through the $5000 suits he wears. I won't spoil it. I will say that during the film, they play audio of the 9/11 attacks over a black screen and people in the audience were crying, it was soooo moving, and sad. Now watch this drive!

So much for the MPAA... gosh it's nice to see their hands tied for a change.

"I don't care if some of it was not factual..." (0, Flamebait)

adzoox (615327) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605803)

Wow, exactly what France said of Hitler ...

It's still illegal, dude (5, Insightful)

TrekkieGod (627867) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605880)

I think this would be a great place to link all your Fahrenheit 9/11 torrents!

Michael Moore doesn't own the rights to the movie, Harvey and Bob Weinstein do. Even if Michael Moore doesn't care if his movie is pirated, I'm pretty sure the distributors do. At best, this can put your conscience at rest but it definitely doesn't mean you can start hosting the illegal copy in your website and expect not to get a cease and desist.

Yeah, I know, torrents are different, and slashdot isn't responsible for what we post. You, however, seem to be thinking that it's now legal to download F911 when saying, "I am quite pleased by Moore's decision to broaden his audience by allowing free downloads of the film." He's not really allowing them, he's just saying he doesn't morally disagree with the practice.

Cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605772)

This is definitely cool. At the very least, I doubt this will hurt the sales of the movie and might help it to spread its message. I personally didn't like it, but to each their own.

Oh, and um...first post. /runs like the AC he is

FUckin Fatass (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605773)

Blah

How fitting (1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605775)

A man who hates America would obviously seek to undermine capitalism. Very fitting indeed.

Re:How fitting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605796)

Like all the opensource zealots who are branded "communists" by every crook like Bill Gates and SCO.

Re:How fitting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605841)

It's ok, anyone who voices concerns over what Hitl...Bush does it branded a communist by the self-proclaimed "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy"

Re:How fitting (1)

karmatic (776420) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605849)

As the price of manufacturing (not production) approches zero, the market price will approach zero, unless restricted through the government (copyright, patent, etc.). The price of creation is naturally high, the price of duplication naturally low. Were it not for the government granted monopoly, they would need to change their business model to enable to make the film before others can duplicate it, or die.

Sounds like the free market to me. Moore has made his money from creation, the reproduction is just icing on the cake to him (albeit, not to the movie theaters).

Be aware (1)

fateswarm (590255) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605780)

Any Michael Moore fans out there be aware this is exactly the fact sites as www.moorewatch.com use to spoil the film's reputation.

Perhaps they try to atract the attention of film corporations to not pay attention to moore, but as with South Park creators, some people use these statements to do harm.

MooreWatch! Yay! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605881)

I love that site... and they link to some really good ones too. Like SnarkBait.com

Thanks for posting this! Slashdot is really in decline lately and we need some alternative places to congregate.

Time for another giant flame war. n/t (1)

dilby (725275) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605783)

n/t

Don't make expensive movies that suck. (5, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605785)

The activist, author and director told the Sunday Herald that, as long as pirated copies of his film were not being sold, he had no problem with it being downloaded.

"I don't agree with the copyright laws and I don't have a problem with people downloading the movie and sharing it with people as long as they're not trying to make a profit off my labour. I would oppose that," he said.

"I do well enough already and I made this film because I want the world, to change. The more people who see it the better, so I'm happy this is happening."


Very few people download movies to make a profit off of them. We download the movies because it is convienient to do so (ala iTunes). We also download the movies because the theatres charge entirely too much money (anywhere from $8 to $11 from what I have seen) to watch it.

Let's stop making movies with tons of computer generated special effects, bad acting, and boring plots and then blaming the pirates when it doesn't do well.

Let's make a movie that is powerful, moving, and gets people into the theatres that didn't cost $200 million to make.

What an arrogant sonofabitch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605948)

"I do well enough already and I made this film because I want the world, to change. The more people who see it the better, so I'm happy this is happening."

What a bullshit artist. Why didn't you release this on TV or cable instead? Why didn't you offer a Bit Torrent from day one, rather going to the movies?

Cause it IS about the dead presidents.

the only way some americans will see it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605789)

here in europe where we have free speech and personal liberty, all of us will be given the opportunity to see this film.

whether you agree with moore or not, you should be VERY VERY WORRIED INDEED that there are persons who do not wish you to see this piece of "vile propaganda" as they would like to call it.

Re:the only way some americans will see it! (1)

BlackErtai (788592) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605937)

"where we have free speech and personal liberty" You're welcome.

Most are fakes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605790)

Although moorewatch.com (a rabid anti-Moore site) claims that f911 is available, all the valid links in the pages to which they refer are fakes - either blank or other movies.

I would be interested to hear if anybody has actually seen one of these allgeged bootlegs.

about time! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605799)

so i can keep my copy in My Shared Folder and not get sued? w00t! ty michael!

Huzzah! (0, Troll)

crumbz (41803) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605804)

Let freedom ring! Happy 4th of July! Michael Moore cares more about America than our president. Remember, W said,"Others may call you the elite. I call you my base." Time to throw this clown and his whole regime out.

Re:Huzzah! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605910)

"I call you my base" ...or his Qaeda

well in that case: (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605805)

Re:well in that case: (1, Informative)

Dark Lord Seth (584963) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605923)

Ignore it. It's a BOOTLEG. Unless you enjoy looking at a shaky recording of a recording with poor audio.

Have fun (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605810)

http://trackerwww.prq.to/download.php/3219853/Mich ael%20Moore%20About%20Filesharing.avi.torrent

Interesting. (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605812)

Re:Interesting. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605873)

And who didn't see the Flamebait moderation coming? When the Moore-ons can't defend, they censor.

Re:Interesting. (5, Interesting)

Eru-sama (698753) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605908)

The title is "Fifty-six deceits in Fahrenheit 9/11" but I think a more suiting one would be "fifty-six insignifciant instances of nitpicking."

It's all about money (3, Insightful)

gustgr (695173) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605814)

I belive any respectable director want their movie to be watched many people as possible. In the Farenheit case this goes even further, due the political idea behind the movie.

The problem lies in the millionaries companies that produce the movies. Distributing it for free through the network isn't really interesting (profitable) for them. How long it will take to Warner to distribute a expensive movie in this way ? A long time IMHO.

Re:It's all about money (1)

MtViewGuy (197597) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605876)

I'd like to know why he wants to do this besides propaganda reasons. Especially in light of the fact the total production and distribution cost was around US$16 million for the movie, so Moore already has made a handsome profit on the film, and especially now with the movie in 1,700 screens.

Two possible reasonings... (-1, Flamebait)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605815)

One: He is an artist, and is extremely flattered anyone would want to watch his movie. Quentin Tarentino likely falls into this category.

Two: His movie is worthless political propagands, not so unlike an infomercial.

Anyone want to guess which it is?

Beggars and Choosers (1)

ThisIsFred (705426) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605816)

Michael Moore should make a rip of the upcoming DVD, and seed a torrent of it. The day the movie hit the theaters, there were cam copies all over the bit torrent sites.

Re:Beggars and Choosers (3, Interesting)

gvc (167165) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605829)

Michael Moore doesn't own clear copyright to F911. So, while he may approve of sharing it, his comments do not consitute a license.

Re:Beggars and Choosers (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605885)

ill bite,
Michaeal Moore as an agent of the company which owns the copyright has authorized the duplication of the said work. Any action brought against a sharer would be thrown out of court in light of Moore's public invitation to trading.

Re:Beggars and Choosers (1)

wfberg (24378) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605936)

Michaeal Moore as an agent of the company which owns the copyright has authorized the duplication of the said work.

No he's not. Otherwise he wouldn't have had all that trouble with Disney not going out and finding him a US distributor - he could have done that himself if in fact he had the authority. He signed away his (and by extension, our) rights to Miramax/Disney.

SOmething strange (-1, Offtopic)

suso (153703) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605820)

Before the movie was released in the states, I downloaded what was supposed to be Farenheit 9/11 off of a P2P network, but what I downloaded wasn't even in the final movie that showed in the states. What I downloaded had to do with "Skull and Bones" and stuff like that. Does anyone know what that is from?

Re:SOmething strange (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605848)

yes, it was released as a fake before the pot cam release.

i liked that fake video though. interesting that skull and bones DOES exists. i thought it was just another stupid conspiracy theory.

for the real movie get the 'pot cam' release.

Re:SOmething strange (1)

suso (153703) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605887)

Was it made by Moore? I thought it was kinda strange because there was a scene where it shows the windows desktop. I thought that Moore used a Mac.

Google'd for a torrent (2, Informative)

atomic-penguin (100835) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605830)

http://66.90.75.92/suprnova/torrents/2031/Fahrenhe it.911.CAM-POT(1).torrent
http://66.90.75.92/supr nova/torrents/2042/Fahrenhe it911.torrent

Re:Google'd for a torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605905)

If your going to link to it for whoring, you might as well link it right. Sheesh.

Um...what? (2, Insightful)

danhm (762237) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605831)

Valenti said: "Nobody can allow their rights to be stolen because, if you can't retrieve your investment, you're out of the movie business..." Last time I checked, one of the "rights" of the copyright holder is the right to give those rights to others....

Yes, its ILLEGAL (2, Insightful)

t_allardyce (48447) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605833)

Fury as Fahrenheit 9/11 director backs illegal not-for-profit downloads

So hes giving people permission to download _his_ film and this is illegal how? I havnt seen it yet its either out already or comming soon to the UK but im definately gonna grab a copy, being a student and spending my entire 1st year supporting the MPAA i have to watch the budget so im probably not going to see it in the cinema unless i really really like it, but i bought his book so there! People have argued some of his facts and im sure those gun-death figures were wrong but he still gets a +point for this.

Re:Yes, its ILLEGAL (2, Informative)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605896)

It's not quite his film to give away. He sold it to a distributor, so Lions Gate owns the copyright rather than him, and Lions Gate intends on selling the DVD rights to Buena Vista Home Entertainment. (which is a part of Disney)

So, those interests most likely don't want to see their businesses undermined by downloading. It's amazing that Lions Gate's current stand is a "no comment" because they don't want to get into a public fight with their star director.

Re:Yes, its ILLEGAL (1)

suso (153703) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605938)

If I were Lions Gate, I would shut the hell up, he's already made them a pile of money by turning the film into a controversy, thus bringing more people into to see the film.

Without his work both in the film and outside the film, they wouldn't be raking in the cash.

Not all pirates are assholes... (5, Interesting)

FrO (209915) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605836)

Valenti said: "Nobody can allow their rights to be stolen because, if you can't retrieve your investment, you're out of the movie business,

"I don't think there's really a single actor or director in the world who does not believe that if you don't combat piracy, it will devour you in the future."


I've seen this happen so many times that it's the norm for me. A group of my friends used to pirate movies/music/apps/games/etc back in our early days of college. While it is true that there were many things we didn't buy, there were also many things that we DID buy. my DVD collection grew greatly during this period, as did my CD collection and the number of games that I owned. I mean hell, I had a pirated copy of Warcraft III, yet I forked over the $80 to get the special edition of the game when it came out. Yes, there are those assholes who decide that they will never buy anything, but most pirates will pay for things that they really enjoy. Thus, in my experience, Valenti's assertion that piracy is the downfall of the industry is wrong. If they produced something that everyone wants to see or own and sold it at a reasonable price, then even the pirates would go out and buy it.

This is just opening /. up (1)

foidulus (743482) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605837)

to a whole slew of troll torrents. I can't wait to see what original stuff our AC trollers link to.

Avoid the cam torrent (1)

Werrismys (764601) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605854)

The quality is truly crapazola, the audio barely comprehensible. Wait for a real (screener/DVD) rip, or better yet, go watch it in cinema. Not in cinemas in Finland yet :-(

Valenti must be deaf... (1)

thestarz (719386) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605859)

Valenti said: "Nobody can allow their rights to be stolen because, if you can't retrieve your investment, you're out of the movie business,

"I don't think there's really a single actor or director in the world who does not believe that if you don't combat piracy, it will devour you in the future."


I guess he's getting deaf in his old age and didn't hear Moore...

A positive side effect... (2, Interesting)

pcaylor (648195) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605860)

Regardless of what you think of Moore's film, his statment will almost certainly boost the claim that there are legitimate non-infringing uses for peer-to-peer file sharing networks.

what is the story? (2, Interesting)

pedantic bore (740196) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605862)

It's not surprising that Moore permits this; he's an activist and he's looking for the best soapbox he can get. All he cares about is how many people he can get to watch it.

It's much more interesting that the studio is OK with this. I don't see how this benefits them in any way (unless all they do is activist films and don't care about their bottom line either). I'm curious to see how all this plays out.

Of course, the joke could be on us; perhaps Moore's next film will be about how downloaders are undermining the american way of life, or something to that effect. The fact that people will take time out of their busy schedules of pirating Spiderman2 and whatnot in order to download a long, mostly un-entertaining political polemic has interesting implications -- these aren't irresponsible kiddies (who couldn't care less about this stuff). These are adults who presumably have a conscience. Downloaders are everywhere.

Show me the money (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605863)

Okay, it's legit? Let's see some torrents then. Then we'll find out how legit this really is.

/Imagines massive sting operation

Fahrenheit 9/11 director backs illegal not-for-pro (2, Interesting)

wfberg (24378) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605865)

The story says "Fahrenheit 9/11 director backs illegal not-for-profit downloads".

But if the copyright owner backs it, then it's not illegal. Moore had the copyright to begin with, since he made the flick. But wait, he signed it away! So now he has to back people illegally distributing his own brainchild?

Or maybe, just maybe, he should have thought harder before he signed away our rights to some distributor. Disney, was it not? You know.. Extend-copyrights-"temporarily" over-and-over-again-Disney? That one.

Umm, stealing HOW? (2, Interesting)

fo0bar (261207) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605879)

Normally I have the view that the owner of the work has the right to say how copyrighted works are distributed. In that light, 99% of the piracy going on these days IS wrong.

That being said, in the article, Jack Valenti is bleating on about how anybody who downloads any copyrighted work is an infringer/pirate/theif. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but Moore has assigned distribution rights (ahem, COPY rights) to LGF, which should have final say as to how the work can be copied. LGF is basically saying "go at it", something which it has every right to do.

(Moore, on the other hand, does not have the right to officially say who can legally download what (since he does not hold distribution rights on his own movie, like nearly any movie/song), but thankfully his views and LGF's views are the same, so the point is moot.)

So in the broadest view, how is this even REMOTELY considered wrong?

Fahrenheit 9/11 on suprnova.org (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605884)

Not that I am advocating people download movies or other material illegally (suprnova.org), but there are some decent copies of Fahrenheit 9/11 available on suprnova.org that you might want to (suprnova.org) check out if you are interested in getting the movie. I found the two copies on suprnova.org that had the most people downloading - unfortunately both cam versions just like all the others - and they were decent quality. I was even able to download one of them at 900KB/s, as I was lucky enough to find someone seeding the file who was on some T3 or something (they were uploading to me at 750KB/s). But like I said, I am not advocating (suprnova.org) that people download this movie, or any other stuff from there.

Interesting.... (1)

3seas (184403) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605895)

Somehow I have a greater desire to go out and pay to see it at a theater.

I don't have a fast enough connection but the attitude of making it available in such a way makes me want to go see it even more...

If this actually causes an increase in sales, then it will send a strong message to those who are persistant at control and suing teh consumers with claims of hurting sales.

Moore and the truth (2, Informative)

MattXVI (82494) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605897)

There is a thorough analysis of the tenuous relationship between the movie and the facts here: http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-i n-Fahrenheit-911.htm [davekopel.com] It's really quite a takedown. Anybody who sees the movie should also read such a comprehensive analysis, for balance.

The linked article was written by Dave Kopel a former Assistant Attorney General of Colorado. He is a libertarian. Like Michael Moore, he endorsed and voted for Ralph Nader in the last election, so he's hardly a firebreathing Republican (though some of the magazine he publishes in are right-wing)

Farenheit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605904)

The real question is, does he approve of Fahrenheit 9/11 downloads?

Stan's mom and I agree (5, Funny)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605906)

What What What?

Wow. I've thought that I would give away my record (when it's done) to those who would want to download it, but frankly, I never thought that I'd see a comment like that from a movie maker, whose movie is currently in theaters.

That is a bold move, and probably making Jack Valenti spin in his grave.

Oh, he's not dead yet? Well, I guess you can't have everything...

Michael Moore proven wrong yet again (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605907)

Michael
Moore
is
a
LIAR [davekopel.com]

Re:Michael Moore proven wrong yet again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605921)

Props!

Congrats, Taco (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9605912)

For 3 weeks in a row now you've posted Farenheit 9/11 stories to generate site traffic. Finally you've found one that isn't wildly off-topic for a "News for Nerds" website. Congratulations.

Happy 4th of July, all. While I'll be enjoying beer, hotdogs, and fireworks, Michael Moore will probably be shitting on a U.S. flag with Fidel Castro, Kim Jung Il, and Jacques Chirac. Wonder if this free download thing is for real or Moore bullshit... that man can barely speak one sentence without lying or contradicting himself.

Great news (1)

Space Coyote (413320) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605925)

Wow, great news and good to hear from the point of view of those of us who think today's copyright laws are absolutely ridiculous. This will also serve as a good example to the rest of the movie industry to show that most people would rather spend $10 and go to see a film than spend hours tracking down and further hours downloading a crappy-quality movie to watch with their shitty little computer speakers in their office chairs.

That said, there's still a gaping hole for someone to implement an iTunes Music Store-style system to easily and reliably download movies off of the Internet. An Akamai-based distribution network that could reliably deliver 200-300kb/s download speed vs. a spotty BitTorrent or Kazaa connection would make, perhaps, a $4.99 price tag very attractive for most people. Couple that with DVD burners and you suddenly have a practical distribution medium.

Apple recently added the capability to view movie trailers from within the iTunes interface. I thin that's more than just a subtle hint at what they might be planning. But with Apple they always wait to get something perfect, so it may still be a few years.

I still think movie studios should start selling DVDs of movies right at the theatre when they are playing. Perhaps you could pay $30 for the DVD and get to see the movie like you normally would as well, plus you get to take it home. It would also give people not able to see a movie due to it being sold out something better than leaving empty-handed.

Marketing (2, Insightful)

fermion (181285) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605929)

Moore can do this for two reasons. First, he never had to worry about people watching the downloads, then deciding the movie was not worth paying for. Moviemakers have gotten into the habit of creating a buzz to get people intot the theaters on the first weekend, and the hope the buzz would carry the movie no matter how bad the film acutally was. No refunds for a bad product. Now people can not only text the lameness of the movie, but can also download it and prove the inferior quality. The studios have made a lot of money but pissed of a lot of customers.

Second, this is a movie people want to see in a theater, and a movie people probably want to have a decent copy of to show friends. Although this is a movie one might see to be in with a peer group, that is not the only reason.

And so I think, politics aside, this is the way movies should be made. The buzz should be consistant with the movie, and should create a community of viewers that will propel the product. It would also be nice if studios would make the theater more of a partnet, so that the theaters once more cared about the viewing experience, instead of how much popcorn they can sell, or how many viewing they can fit in a day.

If Michael Moore wants it this way... (2, Insightful)

cualexander (576700) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605933)

Then why doesn't he release a decent copy of his movie on the internet to begin with. This copy that everyone is getting the torrent for is not only a really crappy cam version, from what I've read elsewhere it is not even a complete copy of the film. Its missing the whole bit about the Patriot Act from what I hear. At least put out decent stuff if you want people to view it.

Good sources? (1)

t_allardyce (48447) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605942)

Anyone know any decent torrents? im currently downloading this [66.90.75.92] which looks like it has 2 500mb mpeg files in it i havnt checked the quaility yet. Anyone know of a decent xvid/divx 700mb job from a DVD? lets avoid those cams and use our powerful slashdot effect to boost a good torrent!

Inaccuracies In Farenheit 9/11 (2, Informative)

Cyberkidd (7793) | more than 10 years ago | (#9605949)

I know I am probibly going to get modded down for this, but there are serious mistakes in this movie, and they were willfully made. For a comprehensive list of the problems with this movie, check out this [davekopel.com] . Mod me down if you are afraid of the truth, but this needs to be mentioned.

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