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Detailed Reviews of Mac OS X "Tiger" Preview

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the stuff-to-read dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "AppleInsider has been publishing some very detailed articles on Apple's new Mac OS X 10.4 'Tiger' operating system, which include numerous screenshots of the system. So far the publication has discussed overall installation and Spotlight search technology, Safari with RSS, a new Mail revision with Smart Mailbox technology, and a websearch enabled Mac OS X Help application."

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Gmail Account (-1, Offtopic)

webteeth (760047) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644149)

Hey: Here's a free Gmail invite to whoever wants it. All my friends already have an account, take this one if you want it :-) http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-158d17b78b-a242a44 b42

GNAA FP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644151)

FP you stupid fucking niggers. Oh yea..

YOU FAIL IT! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644194)

YOU FAIL IT like Mary-Kate Olsen fails a drug test!

Re:YOU FAIL IT! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644228)

Mmm....

Mary-Kate Olsen being subjugated in prison by a pair of butch female guards and a black, muscular female inmate.

Hot female domination, ass-to-ass nightstick fucks and sloppy cunninglingus.

What is it with men and lesbians (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644380)

What is it with you guys?

I don't understand why you get turned on by women who are not interested in men by definition. Every time I get a new boyfriend, it won't take long before he's asking if I'd be willing to try a threesome with "some hot bi-girl he just met".

Re:What is it with men and lesbians (1, Offtopic)

kneecarrot (646291) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644408)

So... just out of interest, did you try it? Can you describe what happened, please? :)

Re:What is it with men and lesbians (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644493)

Nothing happened. I said no and that's it.

I take it you're a straight guy. How would you feel if your girlfriend was twisting your arm and insisting that you two have a threesome with that "hot, gorgeous bi-guy" she just met?

Slashdotted Already? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644154)

I think so.

Can you at least give EQUAL TIME to MS OS? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644158)

I mean you're going ON and ON and ON and ON about an Apple OS that won't ship for 6 months, if we're lucky!

NO! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644205)

OS X 10.5 will be shipping in 6 months.

Get it right!!!

Re:Can you at least give EQUAL TIME to MS OS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644245)

Seems to me we've been goin' on about Lorghorn many moons longer than people have been going on about MacOS X.4.

Sudan (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644160)

I was wondering if my fellow lefties can help me out here. As you are aware, there is currently a huge humanitarian crisis in Sudan. Some would even call it genocide. I have no problem with that. But what I can't seem to figure out is how the United States is to blame, as we usually are at fault.

Please advise. Thx.

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644161)

Lions and tigers and bears... oh my... Sad apple, you should name things like Tiger(Me) and Panther(XP)

First (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644162)

Where are the screenshots??

Not much news... (3, Interesting)

nordicfrost (118437) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644166)

It seems like most of these features were explained at Jobs' keynote address at WWDC. The automatic knowledgebase search in Help was new tho. Can't wait until I get my hands on my developer copy.

Re:Not much news... (4, Funny)

Bearpaw (13080) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644438)

It seems like most of these features were explained at Jobs' keynote address at WWDC.

I have a hunch that the lead-off to this story should have been "An anonymous AppleInsider editor writes ...".

Mac OSX help (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644171)

User: I am having troub
Help: REBUILD THE DESKTOP!

RSS? (5, Funny)

Kenja (541830) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644182)

So now they have a broweser thats guaranteed to give you repetitive stress syndrome? How is THAT a good thing?

Re:RSS? (1, Funny)

System.out.println() (755533) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644405)

It's not even innovative. I've had my homepage set to Slashdot for years and I get the same effect!

Re:RSS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644486)

Apple's probably trying to snag a piece of MS's browser market share.

Can't Wait (-1, Flamebait)

fbrain (758421) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644184)

I can't wait until I can afford a Mac.

Why?! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644197)

Why are you so eager to join the Gay Nation?

Why would you pay premium for a closed source operating system and handicapped hardware (one button mouse)?

Re:Why?! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644206)

Well, I'm hoping my anus becomes better lubricated by owning one of these expensive machines. Will it?

Re:Why?! (5, Insightful)

bsartist (550317) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644278)

Why would you pay premium for a closed source operating system and handicapped hardware (one button mouse)?

It's cheaper than XP, it's mostly open (it's not Free, but that doesn't bother me), and my three-button+wheel mouse works just fine, thanks.

Oh, and by the way - 1994 just called. They want their FUD back.

Re:Why?! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644314)

It's cheaper than XP

Ah, but the hardware is much, much more expensive.

it's mostly open

Mostly open is not open. There's no such thing as "mostly free". You're either free or a slave.

I'm glad you don't object to the gay part.

Re:Why?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644440)

"Oh, and by the way - 1994 just called. They want their FUD back."

Great line! I laughed out loud when I read it!

Re:Why?! (2, Insightful)

Too Much Noise (755847) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644462)

It's cheaper than XP

This one is not entirelycorrect, if you want to stay up to date. The yearly upgrade cycle so far made OSX quite more expensive than XP if you started with the first released version on both. And if you're talking OEM, XP might be actually cheaper now.

Granted, if the software would be the only difference, OSX would have XP beat hands down. However, if you're out to buy a cheap and reasonably fast computer, Apple is not exactly in the top 10 choices (emphasis on both cheap and fast).

Adapting the old saying: cheap, fast, cool - pick two.

Re:Can't Wait (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644220)

Don't worry, maybe mum and dad will help you out after you finished first grade.

Re:Can't Wait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644277)

I can't wait till I can afford the next OS X update!!!

6 year cycle at 2 upgrades a year would only cost $1,200 :)

Re:Can't Wait (5, Insightful)

daviddennis (10926) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644514)

There's only one upgrade a year, if that. The last upgrade was in late 2003 and the new upgrade is in early to mid 2005.

Six year cycle at one upgrade a year is $774. However, during that time you're likely to buy at least one new Mac, which would eliminate the need for one of the upgrades.

If you're really keeping your computer for six years, that's a solid testimony to the quality of the Mac platform. You really need a new PC for every new major version upgrade since the system requirements change so radically. It's torture running Windows XP on a low-end machine designed for 2000. I bought a used two year old 400mhz PowerBook G4 about a week ago and am very impressed by how well it runs in Panther. It was a slowpoke in the version of MacOS X available at the time, but now it's a more than acceptable performer for most things I need to do with it.

The reality is that the Mac platform's pretty cost-effective if you want to keep your machine running well. The horrors of dealing with Windows virus attacks easily make up for the price difference between Mac and PC.

D

Smart Mailboxes. (5, Funny)

Luckboy (152985) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644202)

Well, no matter how smart my mailbox is, my mail is still stupid.

I'm tired of people trying to convince me that my breasts need to be larger, when clearly that would only make my penis look smaller.

Re:Smart Mailboxes. (1, Insightful)

System.out.println() (755533) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644425)

....which is why you also use Mail.app's insanely great (cough) spam filter. I haven't seen a spam in weeks - and this is while using an address that I've used for over 3 years, signing up on tons of websites.

turnpike (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644204)

Did anybody use Turnpike email client which used to be bundled with Demon internet in the UK. It was basically a email/news client which used 'filtered searches' exclusively for sorting and displaying mail using a system of metadata tags.

It was a good email program. Thunderbird is too slow for me atm.

Grrrr (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644208)

They are running out of cats for the name. Next will be Lion? (Wild guess) They should do "OS X Panthero edition".

Re:Grrrr (2, Informative)

Llywelyn (531070) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644372)

Cougar, Lynx, and Leopard. No clue what order they will use, but those seem to be the names for their future releases (through 10.7).

Lion is conspicuously absent.

cats-a-plenty (2, Informative)

johnpaul191 (240105) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644378)

actually as of a few months ago they had a few other cats trademarked for OS name use.... offhand i think puma, lynx and cougar maybe? i may be wrong on the names, but i know there are a few more in the name pool..... even if theya re never used, they were trademarked for use as a name for an operating system...

yes, i know lynx in the unix shell web browser thingy..... but it can still be trademarked for OS use (i think?). whatever the list consisted of, it was found because Apple trademarked the names.

Apple = Anal Cluster Fuck (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644209)

Calling all faggots. Bend over for Steve "Rim" Jobs.
He's gonna shove it up your tight lily white ass.

Write to Apple with your comments at

Apple
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Looks interesting... (1)

GICodeWarrior (794483) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644212)

Do we know when the complete version is expected to hit the shelves?

Re:Looks interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644470)

Yes, we do.

v^HsmartFolders (-1, Offtopic)

leandrod (17766) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644213)

SmartFolders? Why do companies have to reinvent nomeclature so often? Couldn't they have stuck to vFolders for virtual folders, which is much more descriptive anyway?

Because 'vFolders' is really fucking lame. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644322)

Why don't you shitheads have any sense of aesthetics?

Re:Because 'vFolders' is really fucking lame. (1)

cmoney (216557) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644374)

Exactly! And why would vFolders be considered the "correct" nomenclature? Is it because Linux had them already? Who cares?!

Re:v^HsmartFolders (2, Insightful)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644381)

The short answer is that it is a development of the "Smart Playlists" in iTunes. Thus "Smart Folders" means something to Mac users.

The deeper answer is that the Mac UI is designed so you don't need to be a geek to understand it. Joe Sixpack knows what smart means but not what virtual means, let alone know that the v in vFolders stands for virtual.

BTW, I've never heard the term vFolders before so I suspect it doesn't have that much mindshare. It looks like a Linux thing.

Re:v^HsmartFolders (1)

leandrod (17766) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644460)

>
Joe Sixpack knows what smart means but not what virtual means, let alone know that the v in vFolders stands for virtual.

Smart is not descritive at all. Folders aren't smart, sorry... no AI yet.

Re:v^HsmartFolders (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644393)

The original name of this feature was "Views" (from Lotus Notes).

Re:v^HsmartFolders (2, Insightful)

bogie (31020) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644424)

Shold have known better than to joke about Apple. The mods here who like apple don't appear have much of a sense of humor.

You should have saved the comment for the next piece of KDE software named Kxxx. Long rants about how OSS sucks at naming software always get modded +5 Informative.

Smart Folders == Labels? (4, Interesting)

billstr78 (535271) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644215)


It looks like Apple caught on quickly to the Gmail label paradigm shift away from folders and has put "smart folders" into Mail 2.0 for 10.4.

IMHO labels and smart folders are long overdue for mail. They've been usefull in iTunes for months and just make good sense data that does not belong in only one bin.

Re:Smart Folders == Labels? (5, Informative)

System.out.println() (755533) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644309)

Smart folder and labels aren't quite the same, particularly in that Smart Folders are automatic, and labels aren't. This has both upsides and downsides, but they *aren't* the same thing.

or in Evolution (4, Interesting)

asv108 (141455) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644345)

I've been using "VFolders" in evolution for at least two years or so now. I wouldn't be surprised if outlook has had such a feature for a long time. Although Google is responsible for inventing a whole slew of tech, smart folders is not one of them.

Re:Smart Folders == Labels? (2, Informative)

Hes Nikke (237581) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644384)

old news.

Microsoft Entourage [microsoft.com] has been able to save searches for later use (a smart folder) since its debut in 2001.

hmm... thats twice in as many weeks that i've put microsoft in better light... whats happening to me?!

Re:Smart Folders == Labels? (4, Interesting)

Hes Nikke (237581) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644433)

ok, heres my way of redeeming myself (yes i know i'm also replying to myself)

Apple had this feature (save searches for later use) in the ill fated Copland preview in the mid 1990's. in fact i got the impression that apple was resurrecting many features from Copland during the WWDC keynote (see Automator)

Re:Smart Folders == Labels? (0, Redundant)

NonSequor (230139) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644478)

Sounds like a feature that Evolution has had for some time called Virtual Folders. I don't know if they were the first to come up with this idea though.

Re:Smart Folders == Labels? (1)

kylemonger (686302) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644489)

Better late than never. VM [freshmeat.net] has had virtual folders for 13 years.

Apple Link (5, Informative)

mattyohe (517995) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644218)

Here is apple's own "Preview". It contains tons of screenshots and a webcast from WWDC.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/ [apple.com]

Re:Apple Link (0, Troll)

billstr78 (535271) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644246)

Thanks for that link. Most of us who weren't at WWDC completly missed that on the Apple homepage, countless news stories and web logs covering the preview release. It's a good thing you are there to provide the link.

photocopiers? (3, Interesting)

Down8 (223459) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644219)

Just one of those pot-kettle-black things, I guess: ...websearch enabled Mac OS X Help application.

You mean like Office2003? And even OfficeXP, I think.

I'm just sayin'...

-bZj

Re:photocopiers? (4, Informative)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644324)

No, like Window's Help and Support Center, in Windows XP, which also searches the web. The difference is that the OS X Help application is global and applies to all help applications, where in MS's case each app has it's own Help index, and for XP, Office, and Office XP, their own help tools. I'm pretty sure (don't have a copy yet, like you) that in Tiger, any and all apps will be able to search Apple's knowledge base as well as the web for stuff. The difference in implementation between Apple and Microsoft is scope and consistency.

Microsoft's web enabled help applications are selective.

Re:photocopiers? (1)

callipygian-showsyst (631222) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644326)

Yes! Don't you know that BILL GATES has a time machine...he jumps 3-5 years into the future, sees what Apple's doing, and then goes back and puts in into his operating system.

Like Active Desktops, which Windows users had since 1995.

Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644352)

So go suck Bill's dick already.

Re:photocopiers? (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644431)

I certainly hope not. Microsoft's online help is appaling. It's very hard to find the answer you are after.

Most inconsistent user interfaces (4, Insightful)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644250)

From the appleinsider link:
Interestingly, sources noted that while the Tiger Finder interface contains no noticeable changes from Panther, Spotlight uses its own sleek window interface design, which is only accessible from windows that are spawned from Spotlight searches. The interface features windows with a smooth, grey-colored titlebar, with sharp webpage-like table results on one side, and an html-style control bar on the other. Details of these new webpage-like Mac OS X windows were first report by sources in an earlier report, though sources described them as Mac OS Finder windows.

If you look at the screen shots you will notice weirdly blue colored bars, but just in that one application. Honestly I thought Macs were supposed to have a consistent UI. If I wanted a mish mash of colors and widgets I would just get a Windows PC.

Re:Most inconsistent user interfaces (4, Insightful)

shawnce (146129) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644318)

These are screen shots from a developer release of an OS that will not be release until some time in 2005 (Apple is targeting first half of 05). So what you see may have no reflection on the final look of things nor show a complete implementation of any particular look.

Re:Most inconsistent user interfaces (1)

merdark (550117) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644522)

I hope this is the case, but I'm somewhat afriad that Apple will keep the new look. The whole brushed metal vs normal applications thing doesn't give me a whole lot of confidence. All in all, I think the Apple HIG could be improved and followed more closely.

Re:Most inconsistent user interfaces (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644465)

If I wanted a mish mash of colors and widgets I would just get a Windows PC.
To be fair, I think you should consider looking into Linux. It can get quite exciting to have a qt app, a gtk1 app, and a gtk2 app running, all with different themes. Throw in an old motif app and xmms, and you can have a lot of variety.

Re:Most inconsistent user interfaces (3, Informative)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644471)

Given that it doesn't ship till 2005, I wouldn't get too worked up about cosmetic inconsistencies in the developer preview. The developer release is about getting new APIs out to developers. The look will no doubt be further refined before release.

Been running it for about a week (1, Interesting)

gandalphthegreen (751209) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644255)

...and it's not that spectacular. The search service is cool, but nothing else is all that different. It's really disappointing actually.

Only DVD? (1)

Walrus99 (543380) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644260)

That would suk if its only available on DVD. I have been running Panther for a few months and am quite happy with it, but I would like the opiton of upgrading to Tiger. I would have to buy an external drive since I only have a CD-RW on my Flatscreen iMac. Same for everyone else (except the director who has a DVD drive he never uses) in my all Apple office.

Re:Only DVD? (4, Informative)

cmoney (216557) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644327)

This is a developer version. The final copy won't be out until probably this time next year. It's probably cheaper to burn 1 dvd instead of 4-5 CDs. I'm pretty sure Apple's developer program has switched to DVDs for a lot of their software distribution. (I remember starting to get DVDs last year before my membership expired.)

Re:Only DVD? (0)

foidulus (743482) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644361)

A lot of the features in Tiger seem like they require a lot of power; 64 bit processes, spotlight(eats disk I would imagine), core video requires a better card than is in the stock g5 config(though you can upgrade the card for only $50 more, but that also delays your shipment by a week...grrr...)
So you may not even be all that happy with Tiger on a lower end mac...what better exceuse for an upgrade of course!

Re:Only DVD? (2, Informative)

switcha (551514) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644364)

Um. It' s been quite awhile since Apple shipped a drive that won't read DVDs. Even if you can't burn them, you can install with them.

Re:Only DVD? (1)

Lank (19922) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644404)

I had the same problem when I wanted to install Garage Band on my dual G4. My girlfriend had an iBook with a DVD drive, though. Just connect your director's computer to yours via ethernet (Airport would be really slow for this, I suggest 100Mb), turn on sharing, and install it on your computer from his.

Re:Only DVD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644435)

Your entire office is mac and you only have cdrw's, wow!
I work in local goverment our IT is salvaged and even we have a few dvd-roms. But not macs of course.
But I'm sure the retail version will come on multi cd's just like 10.2. I suppose its that much easier to make 1000 dvds rather than 3000 cd's for the devlopers.

Re:Only DVD? (1)

BigBir3d (454486) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644513)

Only DVD is to cut down on the amount of pirated copies in the wild. Almost everyone has a cd burner now, but dvd burners are still somewhat scarce (for the average user).

Old news. (1)

Power Everywhere (778645) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644262)

These summaries and screenshots have been around for weeks. Why is Slashdot putting them on the front page now?

Oh boy! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644265)

Articles on Apple sure bring out the Trolls don't they? There's nothing worth modding up at all in here! It's all -1 Troll, -1 Flamebait, -1 Asshat...

Finally... (0, Offtopic)

ceswiedler (165311) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644276)

Finally, a correct use of the word 'literally':

Apple's new "Spotlight" search technology is by far Tiger's most dominant feature, and it can be accessed from almost every corner of the system, literally.

A blue-colored Spotlight search button appears in the upper-right-hand corner of the Mac OS menubar, and remains accessible at that point from any Mac OS X application. Selecting the Spotlight icon reveals a search field that will expand to display results in real-time.

Smart Folder == Opera M2 Mail Client (5, Informative)

RinkRat (15800) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644281)

If anyone is interested in checking out 'smart folders' ahead of time, I encourage you to try the mail client included with Opera.

It works under the 'everything is a database' [markschenk.com] premise for email, with 'smart filters', multiple views, multiple email integration, everything controlled via CSS and much, much more.

It's free as in beer, too.

Re:Smart Folder == Opera M2 Mail Client (1)

billstr78 (535271) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644338)

I can't wait until this {Meta|Virtual|Smart} Folder technology makes it's way into mainstream OS's. So far, the only beta work I've seen in this area has come from the Gnome desktop group. Anyone here of Redmond catching onto this "everything is a database" thing?

Some common answers to Tiger questions (5, Informative)

hkb (777908) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644285)

Is Tiger usable as a daily OS, currently?

No, Safari 2.0 currently does not work with HTTPS sites. Many common apps, including FireFox crash upon execution. Additionally, there seem to be some pretty serious filesystem bugs which can trash your entire hard disk (not just your Tiger partition).

Do I need a DVD drive? My pirated copy of the Tiger DVD crashes upon boot up.

No, you don't need a DVD drive. Visit the following URL for good installation steps:

Install steps [absent.org]

He also has a Tiger FAQ here:

Tiger FAQ [absent.org]

titanum powerbook running OS X Tiger (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644300)

I don't want to start a holy war here, but I need to vent guys and here I hope I find sympathy! I HATE MAC'S

Today I spent the good part of five hours helping a friend at his freelance gig with a titanum powerbook running OS X Tiger beta while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 5 hours. The amazing thing is at home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this MAC, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. Now, I got the job to fix this as I'm the "Computer Guy" and can generally help friends and family with there computer problems. I have never seen such a tragedy as the titanum powerbook!

In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.

I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this TiBook at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.

Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.

I don't, I really don't, see how Apple can claim to be tops in design. Even my A600 was a dream to work on compared to this and it was pretty compact too!. Anyway Ive talked my friend into getting rid of his mac addiction, he will definately be buying a Dell next!
In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.

I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 300 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.

Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.

Re:titanum powerbook running OS X Tiger (0, Redundant)

Hitchcock_Blonde (717330) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644357)

The Trollman cometh!

Re:titanum powerbook running OS X Tiger (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644359)

Whoa Deja Vu! Must be a glitch in the Matrix...

You could've checked your awesome cut and paste commenting a bit more closely before posting. Oh, by the way, Dell sucks.

A tiger? In africa (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644305)

Look! My God, it's huge!
[growl]
[bang bang bang...]
[rewwr]
REAR END: Uhh. Uh, don't shoot. Don't shoot. We're not a tiger. W-- Uhh, we were jus-- s-- st, um,--
AINSWORTH: Why are you dressed as a tiger?
REAR END: Hm? Oh, 'why'! 'Why'! 'Why'! Haahh, isn't it a lovely day today?
AINSWORTH: Answer the question.
REAR END: Oh, we were just, um,--
FRONT END: Well, uhh, actually, we're-- we're dressed like this because, uh,-- Oh. No, that's not it.
REAR END: Uh, we did it for a lark. Part of a spree. High spirits, you know. Simple as that. Hm.
FRONT END: Nothing more to it. Hah.
REAR END: Ha ha.
FRONT END: Well, actually, we're on a mission for British Intelligence. Th-- th-- there's a pro-Tsarist Ashanti Chief, uh,--
REAR END: No, no. No. No, no.
FRONT END: Uh, no. No, no, no. No. No. No.
REAR END: No. No, no, no, no. No. No, we're doing it for an advertisement.
FRONT END: Ah, that's it.
REAR END: Mhm.
FRONT END: Uhh, forget about the Russians.
REAR END: Mhm.
FRONT END: Uh, we're-- we're doing an advert for 'Tiger' brand coffee.
REAR END: 'Tiger' brand coffee is a real treat. Even tigers prefer a cup of it to real meat. Mm.
AINSWORTH: Now look.
REAR END: All right. All right. We are dressed as a tiger because he had an auntie who did it in eighteen-thirty-nine, and this is the fiftieth anniversary.
FRONT END: No. We're doing it for a bet.
REAR END: God told us to do it.
FRONT END: To tell the truth, we are completely mad.
REAR END: [grimacing]
FRONT END: We are-- we are inmates of a Bengali psychiatric institution and we escaped by making this skin out of old, used cereal packets.
REAR END: Mhm.
PERKINS: It doesn't matter!
AINSWORTH: What?
PERKINS: It doesn't matter why they're dressed as a tiger. Have they got my leg?
AINSWORTH: Good thinking! Well, have you?
REAR END: Actually,...
AINSWORTH: Yes?
REAR END: ...it's because we were thinking of training as taxidermists and we want to get the feel of it from the animal's point of view.
AINSWORTH: Be quiet. Now look. We're just asking you if you've got this man's leg.
FRONT END: A wooden leg?
AINSWORTH: No, no. A proper leg! Look. He was fast asleep, and someone or something came in and removed it.
FRONT END: Without waking him up?
AINSWORTH: Yes.
FRONT END: I don't believe you.
REAR END: We found the tiger skin in a bicycle shop in Cairo. The owner wanted it taken down to Dar Es Salaam--
AINSWORTH: Shut up! Now look. Have you or have you not got his leg?
REAR END: Yes.
FRONT END: No.
REAR END: No.
FRONT END: No, no, no.
REAR END: No. No, no, no.
FRONT END: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
REAR END: No, no, no. No. No. No. No.
AINSWORTH: Why did you say 'yes'?
FRONT END: I didn't.
AINSWORTH: I'm not talking to you.
REAR END: Uum. Uum. Hmmhh.
AINSWORTH: Right! Search the thicket.
FRONT END: Oh, come on. I mean, do we look like the sort of chaps who'd creep into a camp at night, steal into someone's tent, anaesthetise them, tissue-type them, amputate a leg, and run away with it?
AINSWORTH: Search the thicket.
FRONT END: Oh, 'leg'! You're looking for a leg! Actually, I think there is one in there somewhere. Uhh, somebody must have abandoned it here, knowing you were coming after it, and we stumbled across it, actually, and wondered what it was, and they'll be miles away by now,... [thock] ...and I expect we'll have to take all of the blame.

Upgrade questions (3, Interesting)

hotspotbloc (767418) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644321)

Do you need Panther to use the Tiger upgrade or will any version of OS X work? Are the hardware requirements, both minimal and recommended, the same as Panther?

Mailbox feature I need... (5, Funny)

stienman (51024) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644373)

Since I don't email illiterate people, I'd like my mail program run spell check and grammer check on incoming mail. If it isn't at high school level then it's automatically binned.

-Adam

Re:Mailbox feature I need... (5, Funny)

ColonelPanic (138077) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644427)

spell check and grammer check

Heh heh heh heh.

Fantastic Idea! (5, Interesting)

CommanderData (782739) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644455)

You know, that's a really smart idea! Of course it would need a few tweaks- Maybe calculate the percentage of mistakes and trash it above a certain value (for the friends who make the occasional spelling mistake).

The best part is, if spammers start using spell-check and correcting their mail before sending (changing V1@gr@ to Viagra) it will be caught by the spam filters instead! It's a win-win situation, less spam and correct spelling...

Re:Mailbox feature I need... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644481)

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Will Linux ever catch up? (4, Insightful)

Sanity (1431) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644385)

It seems that Linux has been playing catch up for some years now in terms of user interface, and with the advent of OSX - it now has a whole new mountain to climb.

Where are the free software projects investigating next generation UI concepts? Is Linux too wedded to the old ways of doing things to compete with commercial vendors like Apple? It seems to me that the Linux UI community has been very busy trying to emulate the functionality of yesterday's commercial desktops, when it should be pioneering new approaches and UI innovations, thus leap-frogging Apple and others.

Re:Will Linux ever catch up? (5, Insightful)

billstr78 (535271) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644452)

There is a good reason for this lag. Most Linux users (1% of all PC users) don't require slick UI to get their tasks done. Linux users primarily still use the terminal window and considering that KDE is ahead of Windows, I'd say they are doing pretty well.

I'm holding out for OS X 10.5 (4, Funny)

Mr. Neutron (3115) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644390)

"Kitten"

Re:I'm holding out for OS X 10.5 (1)

Funky M (229285) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644499)

Even though it might seem that Apple is running out of cats, they still have at least two big cats left: The lynx and the lion.

iTunes as a Teaching Tool (5, Insightful)

ChilyMack (720195) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644409)

Lots of people talk about how the Windows version of iTunes is a trojan horse idea, i.e., it gives Windows users a taste of the usability and flexibility of software designed by Apple, and so inspires them to switch. Looks like Apple's been using iTunes as more than a switching device, though - they've been training their user base. Everything's going to be smart in the Tiger, and it won't matter where the files are - just what you want to use, when you want to use it. iTunes is already like this - I can say I want all the movie music by John Williams, in addition to including all the classical titles he ripped off, and it will give it to me in a playlist. So, no massive shift for Mac users or Windows users who have iTunes - they already know exactly how to speed through and take advantage of this UI. Smart.

Re:iTunes as a Teaching Tool (1)

DaveCBio (659840) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644441)

It's going to take a lot more than a UI for a music program to make people "switch". Also, running iTunes does not make you at home with the Mac style interface if all you've ever used is a PC.

Apple and Aliens (4, Funny)

TheTXLibra (781128) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644444)

It takes a moment of background story, but this does relate...During the 4th of July celebrations (which for some reason, came on the 3rd of July this year) my sweetie and I joined my best friend and his wife and kids in the park to watch the fireworks. Being the "Evil Uncle" of his son, Gabe, I managed to convince him the previous year that we celebrate July 4th each year to commemorate our fending off the aliens attack on Earth. This year, he and I spoke further on the issue...

GABE: "So, we fought off the Aliens with their own technology?
ME: "Why...ah, yes, as a matter of fact, we did."
GABE: "So aliens have laptops too?"
ME: "Yes, well, sort of. Actually, no..."
GABE: "Arrrgh!"
ME: "See, they captured an alien ship back in the 50's and reverse-engineered the operating system."
GABE: "Hmmm...And they used it to blow up the aliens?"
ME: "Not quite. See, it takes money to fund these sorts of top-secret government wossnames. So what they did was eventually market the operating system in the private sector, as a competing OS. However, since it was the government that gave out the OS in the first place, they decided to keep it close to home, in federally funded areas... like Schools."
GABE: "You mean..." his eyes went wide "Apple Computers are made by aliens? Oh no!"
ME: "No, Apple Computers are made by Apple. However, their OS was originally hacked from an alien spaceship. That's why they never managed to produce clones like the PCs."
GABE: "And we made the aliens blow up with an Apple computer?"
ME: "No, we just used their technology to remove their shields, so that our weapons could blow them up."
GABE: "Did we use alien weapons?"
ME: "Nope, just good old fashioned American-made missiles and stuff."
GABE: "Good," he nods sagely. "Cause next time, we might not be so lucky."
ME: "Indeed. And THAT'S why we celebrate the 4th of July, every year."
MY FIANCE: "Just for the record, Sweetie, our kids are never going to be home-schooled by you."

Much more under the hood... (3, Insightful)

shawnce (146129) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644453)

I just wanted to note that Tiger has a lot of very cool stuff under the hood that is taking place that will be a boon for developers and by extension customers (of course this stuff is still currently under NDA).

It will be a great OS release... one that I feel will become a must have for every Macintosh user (with supported hardware). At least I hope it will be a must have because I really want to use some of he features that will exist to help speed the development and richness of applications.

One feature that I would like to see (1)

foidulus (743482) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644456)

is a "smarter" spam filter in mail. The current spam filter works relatively well in identifying spam, the only problem I have with it is it does tend to have too many false positives for my taste.
The filter as it stands right now is pretty basic, it would be nice if they could(as an option of course) put in a Baysein filter in mail. Hopefully that would stop a lot of the false positives I get currently.

Developer stuff? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644477)

Ok more screenshots of the features shown in Apple's broadcast, nice for end users I guess, but what about some details for developers?

Does Apple solve the problems for international users? [quicknet.nl] Or must we wait until KDE has perfected it and Apple starts losing international users? I want to share my shareware with people who's language I cannot speak or write. No I'm not a paying Apple Developer, so that are things a nerd like me wants to know.

Dennis SCP

CSS "recently approved"? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9644484)

Apple also continues to improve Safari's compliance with web standards, fixing a number of Cascading Style Sheet (CSS) and rendering bugs and supporting more of the recently approved CSS 2 standard.

For all the talk of "web standards", CSS is actually a recommendation, not a standard. Tim Berners-Lee makes it very clear that the W3C was founded to produce recommendations and not to be a standards body in his book, Weaving The Web.

Furthermore, the CSS 2 recommendation was approved over six years ago [w3.org] , and the CSS 2.1 specification [w3.org] has not yet been approved as a recommendation (it's still in candidate recommendation stage).

Search, Indexing (1, Interesting)

blunte (183182) | more than 10 years ago | (#9644495)

What I want to know is, how does Apple provide "instant" answers to searches?

Are they maintaining frequently-updated indices?

Will it be a constant drag on system performance, as with MS's old Fast Find, or their current full text indexing?

Will all 10 Mac OSX applications support Spotlight?
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