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NO YUO (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654176)

NO, YUO!!!`1~ (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654216)

first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654180)

first post, yo

fristy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654185)

pisty!

omgomgwtflolomgwtflol

I FAIL IT

suck it lewzors

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654190)

probably missd it

1-419-COM-CAST. (5, Funny)

garcia (6573) | about 10 years ago | (#9654196)

Please carry out the following tasks, if it doesn't work then try from a different PC.
1.Click On Internet Explorer
2.Go to The TOOLS MENU
3.Go to Internet Options
4.Go to Advanced
5.Scroll down the list and Click/Tick the check box enabling Java
6. Restart Your Computer
7. Log on to UMCIB and go to e-banking then enter your usernameand password, this will take you to the transfer page.

If this doesnt work, please call me, my direct line is: +44-778 057 2211

The accounts department insist that there is no problem from here and the problem is from your end.

I apologise most sincerely for the delays and your inability to access your account, however it is not a problem from our end as the system shows that everything is working perfectly and you are the only one with this problem, please try again and if the system persists please let me know.


Sounds like a Comcast technician talking to a subscriber about why their billing system charged twice the month's bill every month for six months or why there has been intermittent block sync on the cable modem.

Service Tech: "Oh, if you were to purchase this $50 line filter we could install it for $90/hr and you wouldn't lose block sync anymore!"

The 419 scammers can't get away with it why should Comcast?

Moderators please note: this was an attempt at humor.

Re:1-419-COM-CAST. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654299)

Moderators please note: this was an attempt at humor.

If you have to mention it, your attempt failed.

OMGWTFLOL SLASHDORK (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654303)

Is anyone else tired of this bullshit??

Moderators please note: this was an attempt at humor.

Look, you slashdorks, if your joke is funny it will get modded up, if not, it sucks ass and you deserve to be banned.

And you dumbass mods, mod it up if funny, down if not, don't mod based on what the jackasses post in their comments.

Note to moderators: this is +5 insightful.

Re:OMGWTFLOL SLASHDORK (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654353)

Look, you slashdorks, if your joke is funny it will get modded up, if not, it sucks ass and you deserve to be banned.

You're new here aren't you?

Note to moderators: This is an attempt at humor.

Re:OMGWTFLOL SLASHDORK (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654397)

You're new here aren't you?

I doubt it, that poster has the appropriate level of Slashangst.

Note to Soviet moderators: This humor is an attempt at you!

Re:OMGWTFLOL SLASHDORK (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654480)

The subtle Soviet Russia joke should be modded up. My two cents...

Re:OMGWTFLOL SLASHDORK (1)

IWantMyNickBack (791167) | about 10 years ago | (#9654490)

You just contradicted yourself, look at the last line. Note to moderators: this is +5 insightful.

Re:OMGWTFLOL SLASHDORK (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654510)

Yeah, I meant to say "should be modded up based on their content, not on what they say the score should be".

Oh well.

Re:1-419-COM-CAST. (4, Interesting)

TedCheshireAcad (311748) | about 10 years ago | (#9654389)

Sounds like a similar scenario from SBC Internet Service. They told my mother that "there was a problem with her IP Telephony Stack Throughput" and that they would have to send a technician out there at $50/hour for about 3 hours to fix it. I re-started her DSL modem and it worked again. Brilliant.

Re:1-419-COM-CAST. (4, Interesting)

ScottGant (642590) | about 10 years ago | (#9654582)

I had a similar experience where a company such as SBC wanted to send someone out that would charge by the hour.

I said, that's ok, just cancel my account cause there are other ISP's in my area, thanks. Before I could hang up they of course said "wait a minute" and "got the manager" etc etc.

Needless to say, they sent someone out to fix the problem...which happened to be a real hardware/line problem...for free.

While this may not always work, it most cases it does.

419 is Ohio (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654199)

Off topic, but the first time I saw a "419" scam I thought it had something to do with Ohio. :)

So, is anything actually done to promote awareness of these kinds of scams. I always chuckle at the variations I get in my inbox, but surely we're not just relying on common sense to save the majority of the populace... are we?

Re:419 is Ohio (4, Funny)

NanoGator (522640) | about 10 years ago | (#9654345)

"So, is anything actually done to promote awareness of these kinds of scams."

I think the darwinism that is taking place is handling most of the awareness.

Re:419 is Ohio (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654385)

Yes! There several things that are out there to help promote knowledge about these types of scams. There are a couple of websites this:
1) http://www.secretservice.gov/alert419.shtml : website from the Secret Service providing info about the 419 scam

2)www.419eater.com : this website is dedicated to scambaiting and information about 419. Includes a forum. "scambaiting" is a term used often to describe when someone pretends to be interested in a scam, but tries to waste as much of the scammer's time and resources as possible, in an attempt to keep him busy on the scambaiter, rather then on a potential victim

3) Scamorama.com : similar to 419eater.com. Includes news on 419 scams, forum as well.

4) aa419.org : this is dedicated to attacking 419 scammers with websites. It does this by stealing bandwidth from scammer websites, fake banks, etc. For example, the one listed in this article, www.umicb.com, is a fake bank. This site does it by taking images from the fakebank's websites, and then reloading its webpage, thus stealing bandwidth. At the first of every month, there is a 419 "Flash mob", where about a dozen or so fake bank sites' images are loaded to a specific page, and then many, many people go to these sites, in an attempt to shut down as many sites as possible.

5) if you do a search on google for "419 scam", there are also lots of sites.

Re:419 is Ohio (-1, Redundant)

AnthonyWA (781907) | about 10 years ago | (#9654415)

Yes! There several things that are out there to help promote knowledge about these types of scams. There are a couple of websites this:
1) http://www.secretservice.gov/alert419.shtml : website from the Secret Service providing info about the 419 scam

2)www.419eater.com : this website is dedicated to scambaiting and information about 419. Includes a forum. "scambaiting" is a term used often to describe when someone pretends to be interested in a scam, but tries to waste as much of the scammer's time and resources as possible, in an attempt to keep him busy on the scambaiter, rather then on a potential victim

3) Scamorama.com : similar to 419eater.com. Includes news on 419 scams, forum as well.

4) aa419.org : this is dedicated to attacking 419 scammers with websites. It does this by stealing bandwidth from scammer websites, fake banks, etc. For example, the one listed in this article, www.umicb.com, is a fake bank. This site does it by taking images from the fakebank's websites, and then reloading its webpage, thus stealing bandwidth. At the first of every month, there is a 419 "Flash mob", where about a dozen or so fake bank sites' images are loaded to a specific page, and then many, many people go to these sites, in an attempt to shut down as many sites as possible.

5) if you do a search on google for "419 scam", there are also lots of sites.

Re:419 is Ohio (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654596)

HAHAHA. I never thought of what you just did. Post anonymously and see if it gets modded up and then post regular to get the points. Amazing how you can post something twice and get both modded up.

Mods please mod this guy as redundant and mod up the AC. Don't reward this guy for stupidity even if his post is good.

Re:419 is Ohio (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654642)


Yes! There several things that are out there to help promote knowledge about these types of scams. There are a couple of websites this:
1) http://www.secretservice.gov/alert419.shtml : website from the Secret Service providing info about the 419 scam

2)www.419eater.com : this website is dedicated to scambaiting and information about 419. Includes a forum. "scambaiting" is a term used often to describe when someone pretends to be interested in a scam, but tries to waste as much of the scammer's time and resources as possible, in an attempt to keep him busy on the scambaiter, rather then on a potential victim

3) Scamorama.com : similar to 419eater.com. Includes news on 419 scams, forum as well.

4) aa419.org : this is dedicated to attacking 419 scammers with websites. It does this by stealing bandwidth from scammer websites, fake banks, etc. For example, the one listed in this article, www.umicb.com, is a fake bank. This site does it by taking images from the fakebank's websites, and then reloading its webpage, thus stealing bandwidth. At the first of every month, there is a 419 "Flash mob", where about a dozen or so fake bank sites' images are loaded to a specific page, and then many, many people go to these sites, in an attempt to shut down as many sites as possible.

5) if you do a search on google for "419 scam", there are also lots of sites.

Re:419 is Ohio (4, Funny)

FJ (18034) | about 10 years ago | (#9654645)

Having lived in the Ohio 419 area code, I can confirm that it is indeed a scam. Please send me money.

Article quote: (5, Insightful)

shackma2 (685062) | about 10 years ago | (#9654207)

"how could they be so stupid?", and "surely everyone is aware of these scams by now"

Thats about how I feel. Also its important to realize that scams like this exist everywhere, not just the internet.

Re:Article quote: (5, Insightful)

fishwallop (792972) | about 10 years ago | (#9654344)

No bank communication I've ever seen has had such poor grammar and spelling. Furthermore, reputable institutions tend to prefer traditional mail to e-mail.

Consider a few sentences from a letter from one "Clive Bannister, head of international operations including private banking at HSBC Republic", which should have triggered suspicion:

"Cash movement across
boarders has become especially strict since the incidents of 9/11"
"Four days later, information started to trickle in, apparently Moser was dead. A person who suited his description was declared dead of a heart attack in Canne, South of France"
And then this, which I think in English means "hey, wanna join my scam?":
"What I wish to relate to you will smack of unethical practice but I want you to understand something. It is only an outsider to the banking world who finds the internal politics of the banking world aberrational. The world of private banking especially is fraught with huge rewards for those who occupy certain offices and oversee certain portfolios."

Re:Article quote: (2, Funny)

Warlok (89470) | about 10 years ago | (#9654601)

The spelling errors and grammar problems means they're not using Outlook to send mail...

Re:Article quote: (2, Interesting)

fr2asbury (462941) | about 10 years ago | (#9654371)

And I actually had someone yesterday IM me asking if I'd heard about the AOL/MS email tracking software that was going to get him lots of money. I felt kinda bad crushing his dream, but not very.

Re:Article quote: (5, Interesting)

ron_ivi (607351) | about 10 years ago | (#9654402)

It can happen to anyone. Funny how it has some parallels to this other nigerian fraud scandal [reuters.com] .

If you haven't followed it, it was essentially "If you put $150-$180 million in this offshore bank account, I'll give your company a $5 billion [corpwatch.org] contract for a Nigerian Natural Gas plant; and even kick back $5million to you personally."

Apparently even this big company that should have nown better said "sure".

Re:Article quote: (5, Insightful)

GoMissedAtTheMAP (792124) | about 10 years ago | (#9654590)

It is hard to have much sympathy for someone who was so unethical as to think that this was OK if it was for real. It was spelled out for him that the money was not rightfull his, but here are the 'deceased's' personal details so that you can assist me with stealing the money. There were multiple thieves involved here, and hard times or not, the karma train took his $1000.

Re:Article quote: (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654605)

That's the problem, they DO exist outside the Internet. In fact, pretty much since man started using some form of monetary system. Thousands and thousands have falling for get rich quick schemes over time, and yet people STILL go after them and loose their money.

Honestly, it's getting hard to have sympathy any more. A couple thousand+ years of getting screwed really should teach people to know better by now.

Re:Article quote: (1)

Firethorn (177587) | about 10 years ago | (#9654649)

Don't forget the old saying 'There's a sucker born every minute'.

Internet scams are only an outgrowth of technology. This has been a problem from before written history. Remember the moneychangers?

Mother nature at work. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654220)

stories like these constantly increase my admiration and respect for mother nature's constant efforts to refine and improve our gene pool. I love natural selection.

Re:Mother nature at work. (2, Interesting)

ROOK*CA (703602) | about 10 years ago | (#9654302)

Interesting, but sad article. I just find it so difficult to believe that people continue to fall for this oh so obvious scam....makes you wonder if some people would still fall for the "I've got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale" line.

FYI: For some funny accounts of how would be victims turn the tables on 419 scammers check out this site:

http://www.scamorama.com [scamorama.com]

Modern Civilization (2, Interesting)

mmclar (593446) | about 10 years ago | (#9654339)

The problem with this is that, unless the victim is killed or sterilized by being suckered in (which they (almost?) always aren't in 419 scams, there is no refining of the human gene pool. Millions or even thousands of years ago, this kind of thing worked the way it was supposed to: Gu: "Hey Ug, come into my cave, I have some free goat meat for you!" Ug: "OK" Gu: (clubs Ug on the head and procreates with Ug's mate)

Re:Mother nature at work. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654343)

I love natural selection.

Me too, taking your lunch money and giving you swirlies helped me get the cheerleaders in high school, which increased my confidence, leading to better jobs, which further increased my attractiveness as a potential mate, which led to me having much better luck in my mating endeavors than you.

Sincerely,
the rest of the world who is tired of attempted slashdork elitism

Re:Mother nature at work. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654469)

Dear the rest of the world who is tired of attempted slashdork elitism

Please stop writing your comments as if they were a formal letter. It was funny the first couple of times, but it has now passed into the land of Beowulf/Soviet/2. ???/BSD is dead jokes.

Sincerely,
People who don't find things funny when the joke has been run into the ground.

Re:Mother nature at work. (1)

afd8856 (700296) | about 10 years ago | (#9654574)

Don't forget the insensitive clod jokes. They really hot these days... people still moderate them funny. Might be a good idea to have a way of tracking what's the latest fad on slashdot... :)

Re:Mother nature at work. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654595)

Or who is the biggest dork......

Re:Mother nature at work. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654577)

Dear People who don't find things funny when the joke has been run into the ground,

You forgot the multitude of things which weren't all that funny to begin with.

Sincerely,
People who don't believe a 'Funny' tag means it is funny.

Re:Mother nature at work. (3, Interesting)

Blindman (36862) | about 10 years ago | (#9654478)

The problem is that it transfers resources from the stupid to the morally bankrupt. I don't know if either group deserves to spread its genes. Furthermore, a lot of the "stupid" have already spawned.

Re:Mother nature at work. (2, Insightful)

raehl (609729) | about 10 years ago | (#9654560)

Furthermore, a lot of the "stupid" have already spawned.

Well, that's at least good news for us morally bankrupt folk. Nice to know your market is expanding.

Re:Mother nature at work. (3, Informative)

sTalking_Goat (670565) | about 10 years ago | (#9654529)

stories like these constantly increase my admiration and respect for mother nature's constant efforts to refine and improve our gene pool. I love natural selection.

Not really. Statistically the poor and uneducated tend to have MORE children than eductaed middle class and above families. Take a drive though your local ghetto/trailer park and check out the preganant teenage high school dropouts with three kids trailing behind them.

This natural selection thing has got some bugs.

Internet business (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654233)

1. Start internet business
2. Greetings, I am your most humble servant...
3. Profit!!!

Yeesh (4, Insightful)

Otter (3800) | about 10 years ago | (#9654239)

This seems like a lot of work that could have been just as easily been expressed as "Hey, dumbass -- do you go around mailing random Africans to give them stacks of money? Well, they don't do that either! Just delete the damn emails!"

Re:Yeesh (1)

TheOtherAgentM (700696) | about 10 years ago | (#9654543)

I just tell my parents, don't believe anything you read in an email or online. There's no credibility. I tell them to just wait until it comes onto three different news stations before they should start to believe it. In most cases, if it's that important, someone will tell the proper people with credentials.

Re:Yeesh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654630)

That will really suck the first time their neighbor IM's them to say that the house is on fire and they are trapped and can't get to the door or phone.

Did anyone get... (5, Interesting)

AKAImBatman (238306) | about 10 years ago | (#9654240)

...the new Spam mail with links? I just received a very reasonable sounding spam that talked about how some official was involved in a money scam, and recently died. It then backs up those statements with the following links:

http://www.businessdayonline.com/index.php?fArticl eId=2696 [businessdayonline.com]
http://www.vanguardngr.com/articles/2002/headline/ f111052004.html [vanguardngr.com]

The thing was so convincing, that it went right past Google Mail's SPAM filter and landed in my inbox. (All other Nigerian scams ended up in the SPAM folder.) Takes things to a whole new level.

In case anyone's interested, here's the complete text:

Subject: Hi...partner needed

I do not want to intrude so I will be brief and try and get to the point. I
have to use this way to contact you because it is quicker and more secured
for me. In today's world, I know it is sometimes hard to believe stories from
someone you dont know because I know we have never meet. In our world a
female's rights are not equal to a man's. Hence I need to look for contacts
outside our shores. My name is Angela Afolabi. My father, Sunday Afolabi,
just died some weeks back in a London Hospital of Cancer. He was a former
Internal Affairs Minister inmy country up till last year. This was before he
fell out with the present government. And since then and up till his death,
life was not easy for me and the family, but I give thanks to god that I am
still alive.
Before the death of my father, things were not easy and though my father died
leaving a fortune to us, the Government has refused to release the funds. My
father was imprisoned for several months last year and I am sure this is what
hastened his death. He had been arrested for being involved in a National
Identity contract scheme involving a lot of money.
For more on this, go to:

http://www.businessdayonline.com/index.php?fArti cl eId=2696
http://www.vanguardngr.com/articles/2002 /headline/ f111052004.html

I and my family have gone through alot.
Currently, I need an agent for reasons which I will say later. I was close to
my father and you see my father revealed to me certain information about some
bond certificates and money with a firm abroad when he was sick. I never
realised he would die so soon. I am unable to act on it now for security
reasons.
As a young woman here in this country, my options are limited. So I need an
agent or a partner in this endeavour.

Thank you.

Angela.

Re:Did anyone get... (3, Informative)

mattdm (1931) | about 10 years ago | (#9654446)

...the new Spam mail with links?

What do you mean new? I've been getting 419 spam for years which contains links to news sites that support the story. For a while, I was collecting the different ones just for fun, and of the 800 or so such messages I got in about six months, almost 200 have references to legit news sites....

Re:Did anyone get... (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | about 10 years ago | (#9654569)

See, a 419 with links is a new one to me. Most of them seem to think that they can convince you BY SHOUTING AT THE TOP OF THEIR LUNGS. Others try to spin an interesting story about being a lawyer or some such. Never seen such a convincing 419 before now, though.

Re:Did anyone get... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654623)

And your reply should have gone roughly like this:

Dear Angela,

I must admit, your offer sounds intriguing, and I am interested. However, before I proceed, I must ask you one simple question: how would you rate your cocksucking skills?

Thank you.

Yikes (4, Insightful)

Giant Ape Skeleton (638834) | about 10 years ago | (#9654244)

The article makes for chilling reading.

Never before (outside of a David Mamet script) have I seen such a detailed picture of con artist
playing on someone's combined greed and credulity.

The art of the Con is alive and well...

Re:Yikes (3, Informative)

Strudelkugel (594414) | about 10 years ago | (#9654593)


You might find this book [amazon.com] a fascinating read. It was written in the 1800s

Re:Yikes (1)

Giant Ape Skeleton (638834) | about 10 years ago | (#9654669)

Thanks for the link; I owned that years ago - should probably pick up a fresh copy. Not from the EEEVIL Amazon.com tho! I seem to recall greatly enjoying the recounting of the tulip debacle. Human nature hasn't changed a bit, has it!

Why is DG upset? (5, Funny)

Hatfieldje (147296) | about 10 years ago | (#9654252)

I mean, he got an e-mail that says:

US $8,370,000.00 has arrived here and you should have access to your account by Noon today.

This guy's rich. I hope someone sends me an e-mail telling me how I can get rich like him.

Re:Why is DG upset? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654448)

Just post your e-mail in the clear on an html such as hhatfiel@cs.byu.edu and you will be gettng such offers real soon...

How to scam the scammers (4, Informative)

suso (153703) | about 10 years ago | (#9654257)

Just in case nobody else posts it:

http://www.419eater.com/ [419eater.com]

MOD PARENT DOWN (GOATSE TROLL) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654436)

The link is not work safe, click at your own risk...

H.S.B.C.## STANDARD CLAIMS ENQUIRY? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654282)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah Londom"
To:
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 9:40 PM
Subject: H.S.B.C.## STANDARD CLAIMS ENQUIRY?

Again this message (from the article) verifies the well-known fact that subject lines in all capital letters convey the seriousness of the message...

To the moderator: This massage is funny. Please mod accordingly.

Re:H.S.B.C.## STANDARD CLAIMS ENQUIRY? (0, Offtopic)

Azrael Newtype (688138) | about 10 years ago | (#9654396)

To the moderator: This massage[sic] is funny. Please mod accordingly. Aren't most 'funny massages' illegal (through most of the United States at least)?

Just plain stupid (4, Insightful)

Blindman (36862) | about 10 years ago | (#9654300)

Whenever I see the make money fast schemes on television or on the internet, my first question is always, "What do they need me for?" Schemes that actually make money sell themselves. All I know initially is that rather than invest money into the scheme itself they are spending it recruiting new people. Does this sound fishy? A person that really intends to commit fraud probably won't trust a random stranger.

I understand that people fall on hard times and get desperate for salvation, but outside of cinema does it ever just fall into your lap? I once went to a meeting that I didn't realize at the time was for a pyramid scheme when I was looking for a job. I assume I was being recruited based on that fact. I shudder to imagine how worse it would have been had I bought into that crap.

Hope is a beautiful thing until it makes people stupid.

Re:Just plain stupid (1)

LostCluster (625375) | about 10 years ago | (#9654392)

On the news channels on DirecTV, I often see ads for businesses that claim to have limitless potential, but they need people to come forward to invest and help distribute whatever they're selling. They claim it's a way to get rich without having to do much work.

Hey, wait a second. If your product really does sell itself, you wouldn't need my help. You'd be selling that product directly without any need for other investors to share the profits with. Something's just not right with that picture. Real business plans don't need to buy TV time...

Re:Just plain stupid (4, Funny)

cK-Gunslinger (443452) | about 10 years ago | (#9654603)


I love those "Cashless ATMs" and "Internet Terminal" schemes they offer on TV. Basically, they do all the the work and you just collect the profits each week! Ha! My favorite line is, "Millions have joined up, but the best locations are still available!" I wonder if those "millions" of people who signed up see those commercials and go, "WTF?! People are getting better locations than me?"

Greed (5, Insightful)

Mr_Silver (213637) | about 10 years ago | (#9654307)

At the end of the day, all these scams center around one thing - that is, that the person is greedy enough to be prepared to bend a few rules to get hold of a seemingly preposterious amount of money.

Every time I see a TV programme where someone who was interviewed who had been ripped off, I have to keep remembering that all semblence of common sense and decency went out of their minds in the pursuit of wealth.

For example, who really thinks that there is nothing wrong with going about pretending to be a dead persons uncle to claim money that isn't rightfully yours?

Re:Greed (4, Interesting)

LostCluster (625375) | about 10 years ago | (#9654362)

Every time I see a TV programme where someone who was interviewed who had been ripped off, I have to keep remembering that all semblence of common sense and decency went out of their minds in the pursuit of wealth.

This is an interesting component of 419 schemes that cause US law enforcement resources to not care about them. See, since any 419 scheme in order to be credible involves an offer of what would have been an illegal transfer of money to you, the fact you got burned becomes a natural consequence of your attempt to break the law.

If we have so many laws against money transfers to terrorists, just how do you think a few million is going to be given to you in any way that the IRS can't get its hands on?... You should know that if you do get the money promised in the way they promise you'd be breaking the law, and that's why law enforcement isn't behind you when you go crying "SCAM!"

Re:Greed (3, Informative)

br0ck (237309) | about 10 years ago | (#9654526)

US law enforcement do care. Check out all of the US agencies fighting 419 scams on this page [rica.net] .

Me me me! (3, Funny)

raehl (609729) | about 10 years ago | (#9654501)

For example, who really thinks that there is nothing wrong with going about pretending to be a dead persons uncle to claim money that isn't rightfully yours?

What's wrong with that? It's the $1,000 up-front out-of-pocket expense that I object to.

Re:Greed (1)

scaaven (783465) | about 10 years ago | (#9654537)

For example, who really thinks that there is nothing wrong with going about pretending to be a dead persons uncle to claim money that isn't rightfully yours?

the guy who wrote weekend at bernie's [imdb.com]

If it seems to good to be true.... (2, Insightful)

Dark Kenshin (764678) | about 10 years ago | (#9654329)

I'm not the most careful person in the world, and I often do dumb things, but when it comes to my money I try and make sure that something is legit. Services like Paypal aside, why on earth would you want to pick a bank that you can't actually go to their physical location?

Maybe I'm just ignorant and need to get on the all spam is telling the truth bandwagon....

Re:If it seems to good to be true.... (1)

happyfrogcow (708359) | about 10 years ago | (#9654604)

Why do you set PayPal aside? Because they have so many users that the chance they pick you to screw is small? Because you have such a small ammount of cash going back and forth?

I'm curious really. I don't use paypal or anything similar. But i have see all the paypalsucks things and read paypals terms a hiwle back.

have mercy on 419 dudes (4, Funny)

rozz (766975) | about 10 years ago | (#9654338)

Please carry out the following tasks, if it doesn't work then try from a different PC. 1.Click On Internet Explorer 2.Go to The TOOLS MENU 3. ...

please stop bashing the 419 scammers .. the poor guys have enough problems already

Measures to address the problem = more interesting (2, Informative)

WormholeFiend (674934) | about 10 years ago | (#9654346)

http://www.integratedmar.com/ECL.cfm?item=DLY07080 4-1

Friday File: Nigeria moves to curb flow of scam-spam
8 July, 2004
by Robert Dutt

So how's your e-mail inbox today? Chances are, it's about to become a lot happier place.
According to published reports, the Nigerian department responsible for economical and financial crime has rounded up some 500 people it suspects are involved in the "Nigeria scam," the oft-documented e-mail scam that gets us so many e-mail messages from "widows of former government officials" or "personal secretaries to the deposed president."

You've all seen them -- it's a message from someone you've never heard from before, in questionable English, anxious to make a deal with you to use your bank account to get some massive sum of money out of their troubled homeland. In return, you get a sizable portion of the overall cash. And, of course, if you're silly enough to go along with it, soon they'll require you to put forward a few thousand dollars to help "clear" the money. And apparently this scam works -- because not only does it keep going, but officials in Nigeria have confiscated properties worth $500 million (U.S.) in relation to the arrests. That means that on average, each one of these individuals had $1 million worth of stuff that officials suspected came to them as a result of silly Westerners who didn't learn from their parents that there's no such thing as a free lunch.

The Nigeria scam, also known as the 419 Advance Fee Fraud for the section in the Nigerian criminal code addressing the scam, has been around for years, first coming in letters, then faxes, and really hitting its stride in the last ten years as e-mail provided a super-cheap way of trying to bilk millions from their hard-earned money all at the same time.

The identities of those arrested were not disclosed, but published reports have stated that there are a number of high-profile Nigerian names on the list, including lawyers, politicians and bankers.

And things are about to get even worse for those using the 419 scam, which can only make life better for us -- last month, the Nigerian Investment Promotion Commission announced it is developing a piece of software that will be made available to ISPs and government departments worldwide to help identify mail sent by scammers based on volumes of mail and keywords in the message.

No word on what Nigeria intends to do with the $500 million collected, but we suspect you may soon be getting e-mails suggesting that for a small investment to help clear the money, you can get up to $1 million of the money you lost to Nigeria scammers back from the "government."

I only hope this roundup doesn't mess up the deal I've got cooking with Patrick Bemenge -- I'm only a few more e-mails and one cheque away from my $15 million for helping him get $150 million out of Zambia.

Re:Measures to address the problem = more interest (1)

swb (14022) | about 10 years ago | (#9654611)

The problem with so many of these kleptocratic African countries is that "cleaning up the criminals" is usually just shorthand for "increasing our protection fee" or "getting rid of the competition."

The corruption is so endemic, it's hard to see them actually doing anything about it. Maybe an unlucky few independent operators without protection will wind up face-down in a Lagos ditch with a Kalishnikov slug in the back of the head, but does anyone expect the government to actually *do* anything constructive?

419 scams (5, Interesting)

WarMonkey (721558) | about 10 years ago | (#9654352)

Fraud is wrong. Laws against it should be enforced. But even so, this whole matter raises some questions...

By increasing the speed, reach and convenience of communication, are we creating a world where those who refuse to learn are more readily identified as fools, and then allowed to screw themselves up?

Might that, on some level, be a Good Thing(tm)?

I work in tech support. I am continually amazed by the lack of critical thinking skills people exhibit.

This is not a "technical" thing. People act like retards because they have no sense of responsibility for their own selves.

At what point do we say "The world has tried to protect you from yourself long enough. It's on YOU now!"

What did their mothers teach them? (2, Interesting)

i love pineapples (742841) | about 10 years ago | (#9654364)

I can feel bad if these victims if the scammers are taking advantage of people in a weakened state that would inhibit judgement or lend itself to gullibility, such as the elderly. However, I keep reading more and more about "average Joes" falling for this crap, which leads me to wonder-- didn't they ever hear the phrase "if it's too good to be true, it probably is"? Weren't they, at least once in their life, warned about get-rich-quick schemes?

Doesn't an alarm ever go off in their head that just screams "holy crap, this is totally sketchy!!!"??

Re:What did their mothers teach them? (1)

Wun Hung Lo (702718) | about 10 years ago | (#9654557)

To quote Will Rogers: "You can't cheat an honest man."

'Nuff said!

Re:What did their mothers teach them? (1)

Roadkills-R-Us (122219) | about 10 years ago | (#9654562)

Weren't they, at least once in their life, warned about get-rich-quick schemes?

Weren't they, at least once in their life, warned about lying, cheating and stealing???

Ohm yeah, we make our own reality now. Right.

So how come the other guy's reality wins out, hmmm?

Scam-o-rama... (4, Informative)

abborren (773413) | about 10 years ago | (#9654369)

...is as interesting site found when researching these scams, Scam-o-rama [scamorama.com] . It contains lots of e-mail conversations with scammers and also some funny pictures. They also have an interesting case when somebody actually scammed the scammers (see the stories marked in red)

Payment to SCO (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654372)

I just transfered my $699 SCO license payment through that bank to them. They should receive it any day now and I can go back to using Linux again.


Can I pay my $3000 RIAA apology-for-using-KaZaA there as well?

Spam filter (1)

T-Keith (782767) | about 10 years ago | (#9654377)

I've recently gotten a rise in these scams, not really sure why. Anyway, my solution was a spam filter for Nigeria, Liberia, and client. I have a feeling this would work for just about everyone.

There's only one way.... (1)

ray sedai (687502) | about 10 years ago | (#9654395)

... To stop pranks like this.
P-P-P-Powerbook [zug.com]
I know Zug has had some /. coverage in the past, but I hope no one missed this prank. :)

Two words (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654409)

No sympathy

If you were down to your last $1000 why in the world would you willingly hand it over to someone you have never heard for the promise of untold riches?

Ok, maybe it's just me then that, while certainly admitting to being a greedy little coward (thanks Daffy), can think of better things to do with my last $1000.

Re:Two words (1)

raehl (609729) | about 10 years ago | (#9654540)

If you were down to your last $1000 why in the world would you willingly hand it over to someone you have never heard for the promise of untold riches?

Because all of the prostitutes in your town are ugly?

Honestly ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654419)

I am having a hard time imagining the kind of people that would be suckered into this kind of scam.

I mean ... Let's apply the "reasonable person test" for a minute: If you are asked to give money and expect to receive a significantly larger amount of goods or services in return, SOMETHING IS WRONG with the deal.

If you actually go through with the deal, then something is wrong with you.

British Police (1)

Detritus (11846) | about 10 years ago | (#9654431)

Why don't the British police get off their butts and chase down the instigators of these frauds? Someone who is involved in 419 fraud is likely to be involved in other criminal activities.

/.ed (-1, Redundant)

iMaple (769378) | about 10 years ago | (#9654443)

Here is the text Anatomy of a 419 scam By Team Register Published Friday 9th July 2004 13:06 GMT Exclusive Regular readers will be familiar with our ongoing coverage of variations on the 419 advance fee fraud scam. Occasionally, we report on people who have been suckered by the promise of riches beyond the wildest dreams of avarice - and duly fleeced for their trouble. Two oft-posed question from readers are "how could they be so stupid?", and "surely everyone is aware of these scams by now?" Indeed, we have been accused in the past of carrying too much 419 coverage. Sadly, though, it's clear that the 419ers continue to operate with considerable success. The following is an account of how one US citizen (we have called him DG) recently lost $1,000 to a UK-based 419 outfit who used a combination of plausible correspondence, phone calls and a fake bank website to reel in their victim. We have appended the full email correspondence between DG and the 419 gang to the end of this article. On 22 June 2004, DG transferred his last $1,000 via Western Union to an unknown location within the UK. He believed that the money would be used to set up an account with United Mercantile Credit & Investment Bank (UMCIB) in London into which $8m would then be transferred. The illicit funds were courtesy of one Moser Gilmore, who had sadly died intestate and left the booty sitting around in a European bank, just waiting for a willing partner to claim his share of the loot. The 419ers initially contacted DG purporting to be investigators looking for Gilmore's relatives - a classic approach. DG took the bait and offered himself as a willing accomplice in the transfer of the funds. Inconveniently, though, UMCIB required an initial deposit of $8,000 to activate DG's account. DG could not himself raise the required funds but - believing that one of his "partners" - was willing to make up the difference - he duly parted with $1,000. Shortly thereafter, DG received confirmation from his personal "Realtionship Manager" at UMCIB - James Cole - that the $8m was resting in his account. All he now had to do was access it . DG found this rather more difficult than he had expected, since he was unable to log in to UMCIB's e-banking system. And no wonder, because UMCIB is, of course, a bogus bank. Its website gives 232 Great Eastern Street, London EC2 as its location. The Royal Mail lists no such address and our man on the spot confirms that the street numbers end at 82. Neither is UMCIB registered with the Financial Services Authority. The bank's blurb makes entertaining reading: About UCMIB Since 1994, UMCIB has constantly shown an ability to work as a financial partner and confidante to Heads of States, Diplomats, Businesses, Prominent Individuals, Companies, Conglomerates and Governments worldwide. Using our specialised London offices and various affiliate offices across Europe, we are well equipped and positioned to meet the international banking needs of our clients offering them utmost confidentiality and privacy for both personal and tax purposes. Clients interests are our paramount concern. Clients of UMCIB, do not require authorisation under the Financial services and Markets Act 2000 and as such are entitled and qualify for the Financial services Compensation scheme. Copies of the banks last audited reports are available to clients only and are sent to you via secure courier in your welcome pack containing your account information cards, pin and cheque books. We offer our clients the use of our exclusive debit cards and ATM cards in over 50 Countries worldwide and access to over 50,000 ATM machines globally. Credit facilities may be provided but are subject to status and available to customers/account holders only. We would only deal with a nominated attorney/next of kin of our clients, we do not entertain third party discussions on or about our clients from any Individual or organisation. All very reassuring. Interestingly, www.umcib.com is registered to one "Simon Williams" at an address in an Edinburgh housing block (pictured left). The contact mobile phone number for a "Simon Williams" is continually engaged. Local sources confirm that there is no Simon Williams officially registered as a tenant at the address. The site appears to be hosted in California. We emailed the hosts for their comments but they have not as yet replied to our query. Calls to UMCIB's number as listed on its website are met with an answerphone. We left a message for Mr Cole asking if he would be interested in handling a large sum of cash we had acquired from an arms deal in Sierra Leone, but he did not return our call. We therefore decided to ring Mr Cole on his personal mobile and enquire about DG's $1,000 dollars. Cole asked us: "What does he want? Does he want his money back?" When we replied that he would probably welcome that, Cole said: "Ask him to put any complaints down in writing and I will consider it." We then asked Cole where DG should send his complaint, since the address for UMCIB was clearly false. Cole expressed surprise, but quickly became somewhat frosty when we suggested that UMCIB did not exist at all and was, in fact, nothing more than a front for a Nigerian 419 fraud in which he was a key player. At this point Cole insisted: "I don't know what you're talking about," and rather rudely hung up. We rang the UK's National High-Tech Crime Unit to get its feedback on the scam, but were told that it does not deal with 419 frauds - these are handled by local forces. In this case, however, since there are neither real premises nor any clue as to where DG's cash was collected, it's difficult to say which local force might be appropriate. At the time of publication, an email to the Metropolitan Police's SCD6 Economic and Specialist Crime OCU outlining the details of the case remains unanswered. In conclusion, we'd like to reiterate what the Met's site says: "If it sounds too good to be true, then it is!" DG has been taken for $1,000 dollars he can ill afford and has no chance of ever seeing again. He allowed his desire for riches to suck him into a scheme that - even if true - he must have known to be illegal. He has no recourse to law and the 419ers are laughing all the way to their bogus London bank.

one rule to bind them (2, Insightful)

MikeHunt69 (695265) | about 10 years ago | (#9654460)

I usually just follow one simple rule:

Don't touch anything that uses Western Union.

Unless you're the one recieving the cash of course...

Payment to SCO (4, Funny)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | about 10 years ago | (#9654475)

Hey, I just sent my $699 license payment to SCO through that bank. I'm sure they'll get it any time now and I can go back to running Linux legally.


They also offered to accept my $3000 RIAA apology-for-using-KaZaA payment.


And next week they've promised me a toaster for opening my new account.

Scamming people isn't new (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654477)

It's been around as long as there have been stupid people. Once upon a time a poor stupid neanderthal was suckered out of his familys hard earned mammoth pelts by a smooth talking upright walking homosapien. Last time I checked it was called survival of the fittest :)

Fi8s7 (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9654493)

me if you'd like, And shower. For unpleasant People's faces at FreeBSD used to represents the good manners

Quick Obligatory Summary (-1)

Gudlyf (544445) | about 10 years ago | (#9654518)

  1. Send fraud email.
  2. ???
  3. Profit!

everyone is aware of these scams!?!?! (1)

rozz (766975) | about 10 years ago | (#9654564)

from the article Two oft-posed question from readers are "how could they be so stupid?", and "surely everyone is aware of these scams by now?"

i guess Registers' readers live in an alternative world .. only there 0,01% of the population means "everyone".

and anyway, >90% of the population knows about pickpockets and still got fooled at least once ... myself included :(

...a funny world indeed

The 419 scammers are hilarious! (3, Funny)

shic (309152) | about 10 years ago | (#9654607)

My anti-spam hiccupped a couple of weeks ago and I saw one of their mails while sipping my first morning coffee. Clearly inflation was a serious problem in Nigeria... they wanted my help shifting 9 billion dollars someone unexpectedly misplaced. How sorry I felt for him trying to launder a sum in excess of the national GDP!

Best way to read this... (1)

cacheMan (150533) | about 10 years ago | (#9654610)

I repeat what I said in a previous post [slashdot.org] , the only way to read this without having to click through all the pages is to go to page one, click the P in the little circle for print. Then the entire article is opened up on one page, nice.

Too Cheap (1)

trifakir (792534) | about 10 years ago | (#9654612)

So much work for a thousand bucks. Damn it, at least the guy can claim ownership of the domain - there are not so many five letter domains, he can sell it on eBay later for > $1000.

Hmm (2, Interesting)

arieswind (789699) | about 10 years ago | (#9654619)

Seems like a whole lot of work for 1000$, doesnt it? i can make 1000$ in about 2.5 days....

Re:Hmm (1)

trifakir (792534) | about 10 years ago | (#9654656)

Drugs?

Re:Hmm (1)

arieswind (789699) | about 10 years ago | (#9654665)

not exactly, 50$/hr x 2.5 days x 8hrs/day = 1000$

another scam-the-scammer story (2, Interesting)

RyLaN (608672) | about 10 years ago | (#9654622)

Can be found at P-P-P Powerbook.com. [p-p-p-powerbook.com]
In short, the guy was contacted after he put his iBook up on eBay. He realized it was a scam, and sent the scammer a notebook instead. The forum has pictures from people who lived around the delivery zone, and were actually there when the scammer opened the faked package. Definately worth a read.

I tried once (1)

WormholeFiend (674934) | about 10 years ago | (#9654628)

I tried to send them Nigerians a big bundle of Canadian Tire money once, but I never got any reply.

You gotta love the java ebanking (5, Interesting)

PowerBert (265553) | about 10 years ago | (#9654637)

Why can't my bank store it's customers account information inside a java applet. That way I could download my account and take it with me ;)

strings account.class | grep -i welcome
Welcome Richard J Cronan
WELCOME SIMON K. YI
WELCOME DONALD GENE GILMORE
WELCOME KURT OBAN
Welcome GUENTER REITH
Welcome RAYMOND SEAH
Welcome KENNETH W. BUSSA
WELCOME VINCENT STURDIVANT
WELCOME MONIQUE RODRIQUEZ
WELCOME ROYLEAN COLLINS
WELCOME Jean Paul Bouchet
Welcome ALBERTO T ORTEGA
Welcome Orin Gillian
Welcome Teimuraz Ramazashvili
Welcome HENRY PARK
Welcome MAURICE AMANG
"WELCOME DR. HENGAMEH GHAEN-MAGHAMI

Poor old DG, or should I say "DONALD GENE GILMORE"

interestingly the java class also contains the string "Please Produce Anti-Terrorist Certificate"

exchange rates? (1)

PeterChenoweth (603694) | about 10 years ago | (#9654650)

Pretty tricky scam. Obviously a lot of work went into making it happen. The first serious red flag that went up for me was the exchange rate information. The exchange rate is never so precise that 4,000 pounds-sterling would exactly equal $8,000.
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