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416 comments

What? (5, Interesting)

Pig Hogger (10379) | about 10 years ago | (#9661007)

No commercial skipping? No region unlocking?

Plonk!

Re:What? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661068)

69.00 dollars? No source code?

Plonk!

Re:What? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661097)

That's a typo, it's supposed to say $699.00.

Darl McBride

Not for PowerDVD (5, Informative)

tmk (712144) | about 10 years ago | (#9661167)

Its 69 dollar for Turbolinux not for PowerDVD.

It is like Acrobat Reader or Realplayer for Linux.

New tool from DVD-Jon (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661125)

DVD Jon releases FairKeys [boingboing.net]
Jon "DVD Jon" Johansen has released FairKeys, a program for extracting your iTunes DRM FairPlay keys from Apple's servers.

This is rather cool. You're no longer restricted to getting your keys from an already authorized Windows iTunes or iPod. Now you can authorize any computer, and there is no limit to the amount of authorizations (since the keys don't get deleted when you deauthorize).

Re:New tool from DVD-Jon (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661246)

That guy is an idiot. Apple's DRM is a good as it will get before the music recording companies pull the plug on legal online purchases. He is doing a diservice. Why is he a hero for the slashdot crowd? He doesn't even use Linux, he's a member of warez group, he runs a pirated copy of Windows XP and has never cared about open source at all.

Re:New tool from DVD-Jon (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661295)

> He doesn't even use Linux, he's a member of warez group, he runs a pirated copy of Windows XP and has never cared about open source at all.

Coming from an Anonymous Coward and Apple zealot, it must be true!

I wonder how he managed to develop [ximian.com] DeDRMS with MonoDevelop when MonoDevelop doesn't run on Windows.

Re:What? (2, Insightful)

Fweeky (41046) | about 10 years ago | (#9661285)

They wouldn't get licensed with such features. They don't ship with them on Windows, why do you expect them to do so on Linux?

Don't worry, I'm sure someone will come up with a small layer between your DVD drive and any software which silently strips region codes, PUO's (Prohibited User Operations) and CSS.

commercial? (5, Insightful)

fodi (452415) | about 10 years ago | (#9661013)

I think I'd prefer non-commercial software, please...

Re:commercial? (4, Informative)

eviltypeguy (521224) | about 10 years ago | (#9661021)

Well, as most people have realised by now, that will probably never be legal in the USA or most of the world thanks to our software patent overlords.

Re:commercial? (4, Informative)

LostCluster (625375) | about 10 years ago | (#9661220)

It's not the software patent overloads as much as the DVD CCA and DMCA overlords. They own CSS, and DeCSS is illegal. There's no way to legally distribute anything that can decode CSS without sending them a royalty for every copy, so any form of free or Free software is ruled out.

Re:commercial? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661023)

Why, because you have to (heaven forbid) pay for it? Or do you really think you'd go in and tinker with the code and make it better?

Re:commercial? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661039)

Or do you really think you'd go in and tinker with the code and make it better?

You could have it ignore things like the "No fast forwarding" flag pretty easily, or disable Macrovision so it can work through your A/V setup (e.g. TV out through a VCR to your TV).

Re:commercial? (1)

kandimar (88323) | about 10 years ago | (#9661196)

So, you don't believe in following published standards then?

Re:commercial? (5, Insightful)

dollargonzo (519030) | about 10 years ago | (#9661024)

both xine and mplayer already play DVDs (althought mplayer doesn't support dvd menus yet). i think the inclusion of powerDVD was to counter the claim by some linux using DeCSS defenders that "well, we don't have a single legal way to play DVDs..."

Re:commercial? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661067)

Can you please hlep me setup mpalyer for WIN XP? My email adress is at joe@hotmail.com (add _NO_SPAM_ if neccesary).

Thank you!!

Re:commercial? (2, Informative)

tmk (712144) | about 10 years ago | (#9661115)

Could it be like on Windows?

Windows Media Player or Real Player can not play DVDs by default. But when you installed WinDVD the players WMP and RealOne can do.

Re:commercial? (1)

NickeB (763713) | about 10 years ago | (#9661258)

Personally i find OGLE to be an excellent DVD-player for linux, and a good complement to mplayer.

Re:commercial? (3, Interesting)

cyberMalex (713793) | about 10 years ago | (#9661073)

Actually, as an avid Linux user, I'm extremely pleased to see commercial entities realizing the market potential of Linux.

I am personally sick of trudging through MPlayer's DVD navigation abilities, and welcome CyberLink's entry into the fray. (Even if the software isn't open source, is IS native to Linux, which is a first step.)

PowerDVD has been my favorite software MPEG2 decoder for windows for quite a while, and I can only wonder what the power of Linux will do for the same technology.

Re:commercial? (2, Informative)

Dave2 Wickham (600202) | about 10 years ago | (#9661122)

Just wondering; have you tried Ogle [chalmers.se] or Xine [sourceforge.net] ? IIRC they both support DVD menus...

Re:commercial? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661264)

"PowerDVD has been my favorite software MPEG2 decoder for windows for quite a while"

Not trying to start anything but PowerDVD is widely hailed as having the worst picture quality of any commercial software DVD player. At the AVS forums and pretty much every decent HTPC forum it goes something like Sonic's, Nvidia's, WinDVD, and PowerDVD way at the bottom. Just something to think about.

Re:commercial? (3, Insightful)

WindBourne (631190) | about 10 years ago | (#9661151)

Why not have choice? Personally, I am happy to see this. Now, we will have to improve the non-proprietary to beat it (if that is not already the case).

DeCSS? (5, Interesting)

falcon9x (618587) | about 10 years ago | (#9661016)

So then what happens to DeCSS? IIRC, the main defense of DeCSS was that no Linux player existed. Well... now one exists, but I'm sure people don't want to give up their ability to use open-source alternatives. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Re:DeCSS? (2, Interesting)

tomhudson (43916) | about 10 years ago | (#9661041)

So then what happens to DeCSS? IIRC, the main defense of DeCSS was that no Linux player existed. Well... now one exists, but I'm sure people don't want to give up their ability to use open-source alternatives. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
I don't think it will change anything. Just because there are commercial products doesn't mean you have to use them.

It was one of the arguments, not the only one :-)

Re:DeCSS? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661076)

> It was one of the arguments, not the only one :-)

Exactly. In the Norwegian DeCSS trial the main argument wasn't "Decrypting DVDs under Linux is not illegal". It was "Decrypting DVDs is not illegal".

Laws don't specify operating systems.

Re:DeCSS? (1)

xsecrets (560261) | about 10 years ago | (#9661098)

Yes not to mention that the only way I see to get this software is purchasing this distrobution. I went to cyberlinks webpages and no mention whatsoever of a linux version.

Wow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661020)

Yeah...so this is like, how many years since the big DeCSS thingy? No one thought this was a potential market until now?

Re:Wow... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661080)

NO, because those "Linux" phreaks want EVERYTHING for FREE (as in FREE GAY SEX).

Of course, they will use pirated copies of Windows XP Professional for playing Dood and Quaek.

This is great, except that... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661026)

Cyberlink PowerDVD is a large, steaming pile of offal. I rely on Xine, which is thousands of times more functional.

Having said that, I am glad Cyberlink bothered with a Linux version of their software. No matter how crappy the product (as far as one anonymous poster goes), committing your coders to a porting effort like this takes guts.

Mplayer? Xine (1)

Biogenesis (670772) | about 10 years ago | (#9661028)

Doesn't this exist already because of the libdvdcss/libdvdread librarys and mplayer/ogle/xine?

Yes...But... (5, Informative)

reality-bytes (119275) | about 10 years ago | (#9661045)

There are already some great players for Linux available (they've been around for ages) but they exist in a legal grey-area.

Remember, just because you bought the DVD and bought the hardware to play it back with doesn't mean you are neccesarily allowed to choose what software you use to play it back!

Re:Yes...But... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661161)

> There are already some great players for Linux available (they've been around for ages) but they exist in a legal grey-area.

They are legal in Norway.

Re:Yes...But... (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 10 years ago | (#9661162)

Some great players? Show me the DVD player with full menu support and the ability to play all the DVDs that my Xbox's DVD player (the built in one) plays and I'll be impressed. Oh yes, and it must work on a 700MHz Celeron.

Re:Yes...But... (4, Informative)

rjw57 (532004) | about 10 years ago | (#9661195)

which DVD menu doesn't work with xine [xinehq.de] ? And I watch DVDs on my 500MHz PIII so a 700MHz Celery should manage it.

Re:Mplayer? Xine (1)

Nekkrist (709729) | about 10 years ago | (#9661048)

I believe the big deal is that technically its illegal to use those libraries since you haven't paid the licencing fee to actually have the right to play DVDs. The advent of commecial DVD software means that you can now legally play DVDs on your Linux box.

The fact that this software even exists commercially is a step towards commercial recognition of Linux as a viable desktop platform.

Re:Mplayer? Xine (1, Informative)

DAldredge (2353) | about 10 years ago | (#9661058)

What license fees? CSS was a trade secret, there are no keed to use it.

Or are you talking about somthing else?

Re:Mplayer? Xine (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661261)

MPEG2, Dolby, etc.

It violates the GPL to distribute this software in the US and many other countries.

Re:Mplayer? Xine (2, Funny)

Waffle Iron (339739) | about 10 years ago | (#9661281)

Or are you talking about somthing else?

Something else besides keed, anyway.

Re:Mplayer? Xine (1)

uberdave (526529) | about 10 years ago | (#9661064)

So, if we buy the DVD, buy the hardware, and buy the libraries, we can legally run mplayer/xine?

Re:Mplayer? Xine (1)

afd8856 (700296) | about 10 years ago | (#9661180)

Please explain how paing a 70$ tax to a private bussiness will make it legal to use the product you have paid for (the DVD).

Re:Mplayer? Xine (1)

uberdave (526529) | about 10 years ago | (#9661262)

Well, I can't make sense of this either. However, the theory goes something like this:

1 - DVD contains encrypted data.
2 - You need a decryption algorithm to extract the data.
3 - The algorithm is owned by a third party.
4 - They make a profit.

compare! (4, Funny)

TedCheshireAcad (311748) | about 10 years ago | (#9661038)

Old and Busted: DeCSS
New Hotness: Commercial DVD software

Re:compare! (4, Informative)

13Echo (209846) | about 10 years ago | (#9661199)

In most respects, DeCSS is actually old and busted. In fact, it's seldom used anymore. Most players use "libdvdcss", which was written independently of DeCSS. MPlayer even includes patched versions of libdvdread and libdvdcss within its own source.

Re:compare! (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661265)

Well, libdvdcss is developed by VideoLAN [videolan.org] . DVD-Jon is a VideoLAN developer [boingboing.net] and is even listed in the libdvdcss AUTHORS file. So how "independently" is up for debate. It certainly wasn't developed in a vacuum.

From a legal perspective it doesn't matter. DeCSS has been ruled legal in Norway. If DeCSS is illegal in a non-free country like the US, then libdvdcss most likely is illegal in the US too.

It is not the first. (5, Informative)

stm2 (141831) | about 10 years ago | (#9661043)

Lindows (or Linspire) has one commercial DVD player. It was released more than a year ago. It cost 4.95 for CNR members.

Re:It is not the first. (1)

Performaman (735106) | about 10 years ago | (#9661200)

But that's only avadable to Linspire/Lindows users.

Re:It is not the first. (4, Informative)

13Echo (209846) | about 10 years ago | (#9661226)

This is true. Linspire's DVD player is essentially just XINE with an alleged "commercial license" to utilize the DVD libraries.

http://www.linspire.com/lindows_dvd_info.php

Of course, odds are that they do have to have the source available for the GPL libdvdcss libraries that it uses, so does that mean that they are violating trade secrets as well? Or, I wonder if they rewrote portions of XINE to link against some commercial DVD libraries instead?

link (1)

calibanDNS (32250) | about 10 years ago | (#9661278)

The Linspire DVD Player [linspire.com] seems to have been around since at least LinSpire 4.5 (does anyone know how old 4.5 is?). Looks like it's based on Xine.

eh? (0, Redundant)

arieswind (789699) | about 10 years ago | (#9661046)

10 F provides a user-friendly and unified look and feel that resembles Windows including: My Computer, My Documents, Windows Network

One wonders how "Windows Network" got onto this distro...

Re:eh? (4, Insightful)

JeffTL (667728) | about 10 years ago | (#9661086)

In plain English, that's Samba.

Re:eh? (2, Funny)

MrMr (219533) | about 10 years ago | (#9661164)

I have a /C:\ direcory at my work-pc filled with all these silly folders, especially created for the friendly document-cleanout crew that comes to visit us once a year. You should see their faces if you select the whole contents and backspace...

I prefer xine but for OEM this is important ... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661049)

Now a Linux distro that can be preinstalled everywhere is much more desktop ready.

EULA's (5, Interesting)

Joe U (443617) | about 10 years ago | (#9661050)

So, which one is it?

ftp://ftp.turbolinux.com/pub/TurboLinux/LICENSE/ LI CENSE
END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT

You should carefully read the following terms and conditions of this end user license agreement ("agreement") before installing any of the software stored on the enclosed cd-roms. By installing any of this software, you (and any entity on whose behalf you are acting) are consenting to be bound by this agreement. If you do not agree to all of the terms and conditions of this agreement, do not install any of the software and return all enclosed cd-roms together with their complete packaging to the place of purchase for a full refund.


http://www.turbolinux.com/about/returns.html
Turbolinux will offer an even exchange for damaged media within 30 days of purchase. We regret that we're unable to accept returns for all other opened software.


So, If I don't agree, I can't use the software AND I can't get my money back. I think I'll go rewrite the EULA myself and agree to my version instead.

Re:EULA's (1)

LostCluster (625375) | about 10 years ago | (#9661202)

Apparently this is a new level of shrinkwrap licensing where package is no longer complete once you remove the shrinkwrap from the outside of the box... and since the license is on the website you can most clearly access it before making your purchase.

I'm not sure if that holds water or not, but if you're going to challenge them they most clearly already have the lawyers assembled to fight you even though they thought the lawyers were there for a challenge from the MPAA, DVD CCA, and other Hollywood interests...

Re:EULA's (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661212)

Keep scratching the media and requesting a replacement.

Eventually, they will give up and give you a refund.

Re:EULA's (1)

LostCluster (625375) | about 10 years ago | (#9661252)

I don't think the grandparent poster would actually want a refund...

The much more interesting case is where somebody informs the publisher that they do not accept the agreement, but are unable to return the software despite speaking to the manager of the store at which the software was aquired. Therefore, he is in possession of the software without having agreed to the license... now what?

Of course, copyright law would still apply and that'd shut down any copying of the software. Still, reverse enginering could be done, but then again the DMCA would stand in the way of publishing anything relating to CSS.

Hey, wait a second... just what is the point of an EULA anywhere?

KDE 3.1.2 Among others...? (1)

bogaboga (793279) | about 10 years ago | (#9661051)

That's KDE 3.1.2? Did I read right? If so, it's not worth a bother. TurboLinux grabs the 2.6 series kernel and then uses the old KDE? Where have these people been?

Re:KDE 3.1.2 Among others...? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661235)

KDE 3.2 has not been localized for Japanese yet, and that's where 75% of their customers are based.

Commercial DVD software comes to Linux... (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661053)

It's been here for a while...

http://www.linspire.com/lindows_products_details .p hp?id=11804

Lindows has offered a legal player for sale on
Their OS for some time now

Good and bad news (4, Insightful)

teutonic_leech (596265) | about 10 years ago | (#9661059)

Well, judging from the first few comments, this is a good thing and a bad thing. A good thing because a commercial company is bothering to support Linux in the first place - forget about the quality of the player (e.g. lack of DeCSS, etc.) but focus on the statement this makes. But it's of course a bad thing as well because this might be the beginning of a trend of having commercial software being stuffed down our throats with each distro. But you know guys - you can't have it both ways: Either Linux remains a 'geek OS' or we'll have to deal with the Macromedia's and RealPlayer's of this world. Always be careful what you wish for ;-)

Re:Good and bad news (1)

latroM (652152) | about 10 years ago | (#9661121)

But it's of course a bad thing as well because this might be the beginning of a trend of having commercial software being stuffed down our throats with each distro.

There is nothing bad with good free software developed for money. Many companies code free software for profit, like specific features for a client. If you are meaning non-free, proprietary software then say it.

Re:Good and bad news (1)

blackmonday (607916) | about 10 years ago | (#9661129)

The wording of your post made me think that this player doesn't support encrypted (commercial) DVD's. It does. You can pop in any DVD and watch it in Linux with this player.

Linux is turning the tide into the mainstream, and this is a big milestone. For those lamenting that this is a double edged sword, it's not. People who want to compy with the DMCA 100% have a player to buy, those that don't care (me), continue living happily. Hey, that's the way it should be.

Re:Good and bad news (5, Insightful)

Azureflare (645778) | about 10 years ago | (#9661174)

Last time I checked, Flash and realplayer didn't cost any money.... But I know what you mean, it's not free as in speech. (Don't forget the Helix community, they've got a very nice alternative to realplayer going).

BTW you probably will be able to get linux from major distros that comes without commercial software. Mandrake has a normal version, and also a Powerpack version (and others as well), and the main difference is that the powerpack comes with commercial software, and the normal version doesn't. If you don't want the commercial software, then buy the normal one (or download the free download edition).

I'm not sure how other distros handle this, because I've never used another distro. Yeah, I know, I'm not an official geek unless I've tried at least 5 distros... But I got mandrake working, ok? I don't have much free time. If it's not broken, don't fix it, right?

At any rate, I don't think that we will lose the possibility of having a geek OS; we'll just have choices for what type of linux we want.

That's what's so great about linux, IMO. You can pay more to get an easy to use linux, or pay less if you don't have much money and can figure it out, or like to have the challenge.

s/it's/its/ [nt] (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661060)

[nt] = [no text]

If [nt] means [no text], why did you write text? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661230)

Great. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661074)

I prefer Mplayer, since it's free and allready supports all the stuff I want, plus I get to see the source of it, or at least know that the source has been availible to a thousand examining eyes, so to speak, and no one has raised the alarm. Now with this, you can't be sure, can you. I mean, they'd have no reason to do anything bad, but still... What about DRM? They can't release something like this and make it ignore DRM, can they? Or skip the FBI notice?

However, even though I won't use it, I think it's still a good thing. Stuff like this makes things easier for people who can't install mplayer on their own, and it raises the 'legitimity' of the penguin with those people too, 'cause they might be slightly put off by having to install decss-based stuff that some 'hacker' (their understanding of the word) put together and got sued over... Even though he won...

Re:Great. (2, Interesting)

DaHat (247651) | about 10 years ago | (#9661156)

or at least know that the source has been availible to a thousand examining eyes, so to speak, and no one has raised the alarm.

Oh come on, that's a pretty specious argument. Just because the source is available to examining eyes does not mean people have availed themselves to it and have ensured line for line security.

Your comment is not unlike saying "Microsoft software is inherently more secure then open source software because no one is able to read its code and find bugs in it."

Election 2004 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661087)

The choice is yours:
[x] George W. Bush - masculine Texas rancher/sheriff/entrepreneur

[ ] John Kerry - metrosexual Taxachusetts gigolo cum guzzler

[ ] Ralph "Jew Hater" Nader

Re:Election 2004 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661141)

[ ] George W. Bush - masculine Texas rancher/sheriff/entrepreneur

[ ] John Kerry - metrosexual Taxachusetts gigolo cum guzzler

[x] Ralph "Jew Hater" Nader

Turbolinux..... (1)

LittleLebowskiUrbanA (619114) | about 10 years ago | (#9661088)

Hmmm....new distro?

Re:Turbolinux..... (2)

Prod_Deity (686460) | about 10 years ago | (#9661104)

Turbolinux is possibly the biggest distro in Asia. Think of it as our (old) Red Hat.

Re:Turbolinux..... (1)

CableModemSniper (556285) | about 10 years ago | (#9661255)

Turbolinux has been around for a whiiiiile. According to their website since '92.

Could DeCSS become legal? (1)

tmk (712144) | about 10 years ago | (#9661092)

AFAIK a DVD player software becomes legal by paying royalties to the DVD forum. Could a DeCSS be part of an legal DVD player?

I would prefer a legal solution which can be used with mplayer, kaffeine or xine.

Re:Could DeCSS become legal? (5, Informative)

Firethorn (177587) | about 10 years ago | (#9661178)

DeCSS was basically a reverse engineered copy of the decryption portion of a dvd player, not to mention using a key.

To join the group, besides paying $$$, you have to agree to all sorts of rules about player operation like listening to the force play flag, macrovision, and region coding. Oh, and not disclosing some of the specifications (they're a trade secret).

A non-free piece of software for GNU/Linux on x86 (0)

latroM (652152) | about 10 years ago | (#9661100)

No news. MPlayer works well and is also Free. The article should mention clearly that this is only for x86 and non-free. Open Source/Free Software can be also commercial. Think about Redhat. This is more advertisement than an article.

Re:A non-free piece of software for GNU/Linux on x (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661128)

Think about RH? Sure, what are they doing now??

Leaving the home market.

DVD player, is that for the home market?

Yes.

RH FAILED.

Re:A non-free piece of software for GNU/Linux on x (1)

latroM (652152) | about 10 years ago | (#9661154)

That is not the point. I meant that commercial companies can produce Free code for money.

Re:A non-free piece of software for GNU/Linux on x (1)

DAldredge (2353) | about 10 years ago | (#9661215)

Redhat is turning a profit and has 750,000,000 - 900,000,000 USD in the bank in cash.

Redhat is dying like BSD is dying.

BFD folks (1, Informative)

Bohemoth2 (179802) | about 10 years ago | (#9661110)

There is no mention of a linux version on thier website, nor is there a linux version available for purchase in thier webstore. Nothing to see here, move along please.

Lindows Had First Comm Dvd Player. (-1, Redundant)

Bruha (412869) | about 10 years ago | (#9661111)

It's been in Lindows for at least a year IIRC.

Ask and you shall receive? (5, Insightful)

goldspider (445116) | about 10 years ago | (#9661118)

A few weeks ago, the head of the (evil, of course) MPAA learned that there was no legal way for Linux users to watch movies on their computers. Now we have one.

So are Slashdotters going to thank the MPAA for addressing one of the Linux community's concerns? Nope, they're going to piss and moan about what's wrong with this particular piece of software.

I'd submit that this is a big reason why software companies don't want to embrace the Linux market. No matter how good the software they produce is, Linux users aren't going to be happy unless it's free (speech) and free (beer).

Re:Ask and you shall receive? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661179)

Oh, thank you great god MPAA, for deigning to place the foot of your bribed politicians on our necks and step down hard, and then allow us to pay to have them let up on the pressure a little. A person not paying much attention (aka goldspider) might almost think we still had a free country.

I bought my DVDs, they weren't free (3, Insightful)

Morgaine (4316) | about 10 years ago | (#9661197)

Linux users aren't going to be happy unless it's free (speech) and free (beer).

You're making no sense. Linux users don't want everything free, they just don't want to pay twice over.

I bought my DVDs, with hard-earned cash, and they most definitely weren't free. I'll be blowed if I'm going to pay again, just to be "allowed" to play them on my own computer.

Re:Ask and you shall receive? (2, Informative)

LordArathres (244483) | about 10 years ago | (#9661201)

Thats not true at all. I went out and bought both Neverwinter Nights and Unreal Tournament 2004 when they came out specifically becuase they came with a Linux Binary. I emailed the Vice President of ? the company that made UT2004 and he actually replied and said that although Linux sales are miniscule, the only way to judge them is by the sort of email I sent him.

Go out and buy the software, email the company that made it and everyone wins. I didnt care that the source was released for either game, I was happy with the fact that I could play them on my Linux box.

I like Xine but if PowerDVD comes out for general Distros and its good, (free preview), I will probably buy it. I bought the Boxed set 10+ from Mandrake even though I downloaded the Distro earlier just to show my support.

The only way to show support for companies that make Linux based products is to BUY them.

Later all.

lordarathres@gmail.com

Re:Ask and you shall receive? (5, Funny)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | about 10 years ago | (#9661213)

Linux users aren't going to be happy unless it's free (speech) and free (beer).
You underestimate us. We'll still complain about it being a ripoff of commercial software, whine about the GUI toolkit used, complain about how bloated and slow the software is, insinuate that it's a tricky ploy to gather personal information, demand that the company provide free phone support, and then run off and create a dozen sourceforge projects to "clone" the program.

Re:Ask and you shall receive? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661232)

> A few weeks ago, the head of the (evil, of course) MPAA learned that there was no legal way for Linux users to watch movies on their computers. Now we have one.
> So are Slashdotters going to thank the MPAA for addressing one of the Linux community's concerns? Nope, they're going to piss and moan about what's wrong with this particular piece of software.

Wow, quite the leap in logic there. Care to point out the link/article where the head of the MPAA caused that particular Linux player to be made available? Last I read in TFArticle, it was a Cyberlink DVD player, and the MPAA had nothing to do with that at all. Cyberlink bought a license, Cyberlink released a product - just like any other company can do. No special MPAA involvement at all.

Re:Ask and you shall receive? (1)

ameoba (173803) | about 10 years ago | (#9661276)

Meh. $70 is a big jump from "free with any hardware that's remotely capable of playing DVDs"...

good news (1)

kguilber (586327) | about 10 years ago | (#9661138)

Am I the only one that thinks this is good news? Legally playing DVDs is a key feature that will help Linux distros in the Desktop market. Lindows/Linspire does have this already, but personally I prefer a distribution that doesn't think it's Windows. I, for one, hope others start follow suit and include licensed DVD software. Even better if CyberLink releases PowerDVD for Linux to the public.

Commercial? Try Proprietary! (0, Troll)

bYTEREALm (559537) | about 10 years ago | (#9661144)

Ehh? PowerDVD is a *Proprietary* product. Commercial only means they make theyre living on it. MySQL for instance is a commercial free software / opensource product. I'm never going to use PowerDVD, so i guess that makes me a criminal. Well BLOW ME!

Commercial Linux Software (4, Interesting)

Bruha (412869) | about 10 years ago | (#9661158)

You people who are whining that you actually have to pay for something need to get off your high horses. If you ever want to see anything supported in Linux in some fashion you need to pay for it.

It's this same stigma that causes companies to not build software for Linux because they think Linux users dont want to pay for anything.

If you really think it's such a bad thing to have to pay for a commercial dvd player. Think if you pay for it and Linux becomes very popular that you will see a free version shipped on the dvd's themselves so you can watch it on Linux. This is how it is for Windows. Most dvd's you buy come with free player software.

Do I have to buy TurboLinux? (4, Insightful)

nwbvt (768631) | about 10 years ago | (#9661160)

Can I just get the DVD software from CyberLink? I can't find a thing on their site on Linux PowerDVD. I don't really want a new OS, though I wouldn't mind having the legal DVD player.

Can We Buy The Player Only? (1, Redundant)

futuresheep (531366) | about 10 years ago | (#9661171)

Is there a standalone version of the player available or do I have to buy the whole distro for $70.00? If there's no standalone player, than this is as useless as having no 'legal' player available in the first place.

PowerDVD stinks (2, Interesting)

JavaPunk (757983) | about 10 years ago | (#9661191)

A few months ago I bought a dvd+-rw drive which was the first DVD reader on my computer. So I install PowerDVD in windows plop in Pirates of the Caribbean and get a, "You have the wrong region set. Would you like to change you region?" I say yes and it changes nothing! I can't play a DVD on windows because of this stupid software. On the other hand, I boot into gentoo do an 'emerge mplayer.' And Pirates runs perfect! So do I really want crappy software with such a nonstandard interface on linux for a large sum of money? No way! Mplayer rules for me!

anyone else have trouble viewing their site? (1)

Chiisu (462604) | about 10 years ago | (#9661193)

Running Mozilla 1.7; I get a blank screen....

# of useful proprietary apps on Linux: still zero (2, Insightful)

stealth.c (724419) | about 10 years ago | (#9661222)

I've used PowerDVD on Windows. I hate its interface, it is feature-impaired, and unstable. With Xine + libdvd*, I have SO MANY MORE FUNCTIONS. I can take screenshots of a movie without getting just a black screen; I can navigate the film in any direction and speed, and I can use key commands for just about all of that. It's faster, too, and far easier to acquire. Sorry CyberLink. This is far too little; way too late. I wouldn't condone purchasing a commercial DVD player anyway.

They're trying to show support for Linux, but for some reason I still see them and most other proprietary software vendors as ignorant, crapware-distributing bastards. We don't want/need anything from people like CyberLink. They are wasting their time on a product that WILL fail--and probably make the "Linux market" look non-existant.

Perhaps the most important thing is that DVD drives that come with PowerDVD will probably have the Windows AND Linux version. In such a case, it looks to me like another baby step in getting the support of hardware manufacturers.

Folks...this is GOOD NEWS. (1)

MsGeek (162936) | about 10 years ago | (#9661227)

This is something that I have been waiting for for a long time. A software DVD player that "Just Works" on Linux? Bring it on, man! This is the reason why I am sort of, kind of, considering Linspire as a way to get Debian-based Linux on a machine or two of mine. You still cannot download a trial version from the Cyberlink site, which is an oversight at best and really nasty of Cyberlink at worst.

I would take Linspire over Turbolinux because Turbo is an RPM-based distro, and Linspire is Debian under the hood and can be updated to Debian Testing/Unstable with a few apt-get commands. Here's the how-to: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7165 [linuxjournal.com]

Old News (5, Informative)

danda (11343) | about 10 years ago | (#9661266)

PowerDVD was first announced on Linux in 2000. See this article in the Register:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/08/18/dvd_play ba ck_on_linux_just/

To my knowledge, they have never released it for end-users to buy/download.

However, in 2001 I purchased a ThinkPad T22 from IBM pre-loaded with Linux and it had PowerDVD installed. The software required some funky thinkpad driver to be installed or it could not playback. I long ago dumped that distribution (caldera) and now Xine/mplayer et al run just fine on the same thinkpad without any special drivers.

Does it also phone home? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9661270)

Like the Windows version that I have does?

No spell/grammar check? (1)

Douglas Simmons (628988) | about 10 years ago | (#9661288)

of it's Linux distribution

What Turbolinux needs to do for its next release is lay off a bit on the turbo factor and work on implementing into its browser a very simple Slashdot submissions grammar checker for people who just can't seem to handle the whole its/it's thing. Maybe in future versions they could add a checker for correct your/you're and there/their usage, but that might slow down the turboness...

For Christ sake, can't you editors change a stupid error like this in a submission? Put a disclaimer in the submission page if you have to, "We may modify your post to tidy up any utter stupidity that you all usually display."

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